Dean Godson
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Who says that Islamists can't learn a trick or two from the West when they have to? Take a glance at the glossy brochure of Islam Expo - billed as Europe's “biggest Islamic cultural festival” - which ended at Olympia yesterday. You could be forgiven for thinking that you were looking at the catalogue for the forthcoming Boden sale that comes to the venerable London exhibition centre in a few weeks' time.
Visitors to Islam Expo would have witnessed such innocent activities as an Islamic arts and crafts workshop for under 12s, live Islamic storytelling performances and lute-playing and poetry recitals in the pomegranate and date gardens.
The old Comintern would have instantly recognised the first rate tradecraft involved in organising all this. Just as Moscow and its allies knew how to organise a “popular front” to draw non-communist progressives and liberals into their orbit of influence, so some Islamists have honed a keen sense of how to present a non-threatening face to the West and to the many hundreds of decent, apolitical Muslims who turned up for a family day out.
But behind the cultural soft power of Islam Expo, there is political hard power, and some of it comes in quite raw, unpalatable forms. The organisers gave floor space in the exhibition section to the genocidal regime in Sudan (festooned with pictures of happy-looking black Africans) and to the “Cultural Section” of the Iranian Embassy (representing an aspirant genocidal regime) and the Algerian junta (no spring picnic on human rights).
This perhaps becomes less surprising when one examines some of the directors of Islam Expo. All oppose al-Qaeda violence, but they are anything but moderate Muslims. They include Azzam Tamimi, a supporter of Hamas suicide bombings in Israel and an admirer of Ayatollah Khomeini.
Consider also the views of one of the expo's speakers: “Prof Zaghloul al Naggar, professor of geology and director of the London-based Markfield Institute of Higher Education has rightly told IslamOnline that many Westerners - some of them homosexual - convert to Islam in order to appeal to Islamic communities and spread sinful behaviour among Muslims, thus shaking their belief,” according to the allaahuakbar.net website.
No wonder Hazel Blears, the feisty Secretary of State for Communities, decided last week that this was not a place where any minister should be seen. Most of her Muslim colleagues in the Labour Party backed her, including the MPs Sadiq Khan and Khalid Mahmood.
But another minister, Shahid Malik, MP for Dewsbury, had other ideas and sought to attend in a personal capacity. He was persuaded not to attend Islam Expo only with the greatest difficulty - after heavy pressure from his departmental chief at International Development, Douglas Alexander, the Chief Whip and the Cabinet Secretary, who invoked Cabinet Office guidelines on engagement with Islamic groups.
Ms Blears is probably the member of the Cabinet readiest to uphold a strict interpretation of those criteria. She has also dealt vigorously with senior officials whom she believes have been naive in their approach to Islamist-friendly groups.
But policing the boundaries of respectable discourse is hard work. While ministers were forbidden to go, the Foreign Office-funded British Satellite News was publicising an entirely positive image of Islam Expo for overseas consumption.
This time the Government has had a narrow escape from the political Islamists of Islam Expo.
Its relief must be compounded by what has happened over the past 48 hours to Alex Salmond. Scotland's First Minister has landed himself in serious trouble over a grant of £215,000 given to the Scottish Islamic Foundation, which is headed by one of his advisers, Osama Saeed. Other Muslim groups in Scotland are upset by what they see as favouritism to the best-known political Islamist in the Scottish National Party.
Mr Saeed, an SNP parliamentary candidate and also a speaker at Islam Expo, has described Hamas suicide attacks as “martyrdom operations” and has supported the creation of a modern caliphate, or pan-Islamic state. The row could cost the SNP victory in the Glasgow East by-election next week.
The fashionable take on deradicalising angry young Muslim men is that only political Islamists, such as Mr Saeed, have the credibility to stop them going over the deep end. This reasoning is doubtful. The opposition of political Islamists to al-Qaeda violence in the West does not mean that they are actually friends of the West. Rather, they know that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The boundaries between violent and non-violent Islamists deserve greater exploration. Are non-violent political Islamists part of the solution or, as figures such as Hazel Blears and David Cameron increasingly suspect, part of the problem?
Dean Godson is research director of Policy Exchange think tank
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I think very few Muslims living in the West have the courage or conviction to do anything about the Sharia creeping into their lives, even if, deep down, they prefer living in a free, secular society.
jhimmi, Minneapolis, US
This is war: sometimes hidden within individuals fighting guilt and doubts, sometimes between mutually intolerant groups. When I was a Catholic priest, I fought differently than now. I hope a little bk, Imagine No Superstition, destroys conflict between ethnic traditions and enjoyment of real life.
Stephen Uhl, Oro Valley, USA
A stealth jihad is taking place and the UK and Europe are further along. It is going on in Canada, the USA, and Australia too. We see that Al Qaeda is also in S. America.
While many do speak up our 'leaders' are in full appeasement mode. And that includes our judicial system allowing sharia
Sharon, Antioch, USA
"And I haven't seen them demonstrate in front of the radical mosques. Where are they?" -- Frank Bayer, London, England
Watching over a million of their brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan getting laser missile bombed back to the stone age by the so called "civilized" western people..
jayil, london, uk
Truth shall make you free. If you listen to an anti-Islamist it will be all wrong Islam. If you read Tlmud written by Jews you will hate Jesus & christianity.So Mr Godson is Talmud to Islam. Please see Peace TV and you will find the truth.Read Quran translated by Yusuf Ali.You will find the truth.
Anwar Shaukat Ansari, Dammam, Saudi aAabia
Khaled's response to Stacy in Texas, USA is flawed. Yes, Stacy can hate strawberry ice cream if she has only tried chocolate if she sees unpleasant effects of eating strawberry ice cream. Many Westerners, and particularly Americans, apply this logic to the Koran after seeing its effects.
Gary , Lindale, Georgia, USA
There is a fundamental problem with this article. The reasoning is flawless & the facts are all true and easily verifiable. But this view is unfashionable. So, I don't need to make any counter arguments, or source different facts. It must be wrong because many commentators here simply don't like it.
Alan, London, UK
IslamExpo highlighted the CULTURAL diversity within the Muslim world.It was in this context that countries and cultures were provided a platform. IslamExpo is a positive attempt at engaging communities & promoting understanding.
It's a REAL shame that you are blind to this IMPORTANT reality.
Sarah Rizwan, Kingston upon Thames, UK
I think we need a little bit of a history recap here. Under the Muslim Civilisation Jews, Christians & Muslims lived peacefully even in Palestine & Spain. In come the Western Christians they killed, raped and forced people to convert.
Islam doesn't have blood on its hands its Europe that does.
Ben Adam, Jersulaem, Palestine
Those Muslims who refuse to accept legitimate criticism of a violent, and corrupt extremist faction of their belief, are guilty of giving it succour. They are hypocrites and truly, proof that Islam is NOT the religion of peace they claim it is. It is not seeking peace by threatening others.
Jenny, Boston, MA US
To Stacy, Tx, USA, it's very unlikely that anyone's going to force you to read the Koran, nor force your children for that matter. The logic of not reading it puts you in a weak position in the situation of a debate. It is like saying you hate strawberry icecream, when all you've tried is chocolate.
Khaled, London, UK
Another sensational and ill-informed article.
I think the world has more to fear from neo-conservative, war mongering idiots that are intent on establishing a hegemonic Western presence under the guise of establishing 'democracy' and 'freedom' . The hypocrisy is disgusting.
Zeinab, Birmingham, UK
I myself am an arab christian convert to islam, of which speaks of living peacefully with all citizens of any religion / non-religion. As human we are not perfect, nor angels...please open your eyes and do not judge a religion by its people, as a religion can be perfect, but people are not. Peace.
Lucinda, Bristol,
Why do all UK newspapers censor any answer which gives people valuable information about Islam and ways to research the question at hand? My post on Meccan v. Medinan Mohammed in the Quran was quite topical and hardly inflammatory, but censored as usual. Start with Sura Nine.
Chip Johnson, Orlando, USA
Certainly there are sections of Islamic belief, the Ahmadiyas, most Sufis come to mind who see Islam as an inner struggle and awakening, in harmony with the mystics of Christianity, Judaism and HInduism. Unfortunately, these people are regularly persecuted and murdered in the Islamic heartland, so?
Rob Lindberg, London,
Liberal bleeding hearts whine and lecture the rest of us about how we must all learn to get along. Problem is, we know how to get along. Civilization is the result of knowing how to get along. It's the Islamists who need to learn how to get along. And they're not interested.
Mike Frazier, Fayetteville, AR, USA
I have a solution for Mr Godson. Why not send a bunch of young "moderate" Muslims in to expose the extremism of IslamExpo? Policy Exchange could even lend the kiddies some inkjet printers, just to add some authenticity to the exercise.
Irfan, Sydney, Australia
The quintessenceof a religion is determined not by its books, but by the nature of its leaders and those who follow them. A kind religion with evil books is more admired than an evil religion with kind books.
It is not the Koran that determines our attitude towards Islam.
Ehad Ha'am, Ra'anana, Israel
Look, maybe the majority of Muslims are not radical. But I haven't seen them march down the high street yet. I haven't heard them in their multitudes raise their voice in firm opposition to the violent fanatics. And I haven't seen them demonstrate in front of the radical mosques. Where are they?
Frank Bayer, London, England
The corrollary question, Ms. Iskandar is this:
There are more than 3 billion non-Muslms. What do Muslims want to do about them? Convert them all? Kill them all? Or learn to live with them?
History has made it abundantly clear that Muslims, have no intention of living as equals with anyone.
Jon , Salinas , USA
I'm absoluteley flabergasted at the sheer verocity of the attacks by this ill informed 'think tank' 'research' director. In fact, it appears that very little 'thinking' actually went into putting this highly imflabable story together. It is fear mongering at its crudest form.
Numan, London,
I don't want to read the Koran, I'm not going to read the Koran, and I could care less about the Koran. The only thing I care about is the 2,800 people killed when a bunch of Muslims flew two aircraft into the World Trade Center.
War is so that my children will never be forced to read the Koran.
Stacy, Round Rock, Tx., USA
Inam, Andhra pradesh, india
I have read the Koran, and it seems to be extremely anti everything non Mulsim and mostly in a very violent way. Have you read it, along with the Haditha. Clealy Mo was a criminal in more ways than one.
Adam, NY, US
Hello all
Please please my dear brothers and Sisters
Why do you fear so much dont you know the fact that the majority community at present in the world is Muslims millions of non muslims are living with them in peace ... Please read the Quran to know real Islam and dont get misled by such articles
Inam, Andhra pradesh, india
I'm encouraged to see the gradual awakening to the realities of the islamic agenda, as evidenced by this and similar articles.
We have but two choices. Submit or resist. There is no happy third way where we all rub along together. Sadly that is not Islam's objective.
Terence, London, England
In deed there are peaceful Muslems in the world, but that is hard to justifiy if you read the Qur'an, the Hadith, and study the lives of the prophet and his immediate followers. Their instruction and example are to kill those who leave Islam and Islam's oppenents. Not a very peaceful heritage.
Texugo, San Diego, USA
This was a terrible article in my opinion. It gives the impression that Islam is the enemy and there is nothing left to discuss except containment. I would be an "angry young Muslim" too, if I had to be talked about in such a rude fashion.
David, Rock Hill, SC, USA
This is just another example of the European Arab Dialogue winning ' hearts and minds ' campaign. The Dhimmitude of Europe keeps getting stronger and moving forward at an alarming speed. Muslims believe in the uncreated literal word of God. The ultimate totalitarian State. Paul Coventry is right
Desmond Taylor, Houston, USA TX
Religions don't kill people, people kill people. A reformation of Islam is long overdue, those who immigrate to the west must be challenged to amend or revise those precepts those tenets of their faith that go against the dictates of a secular democracy. BTW I am a practicing Muslim.
Ray , Houston, USA
There are more than a billion Muslims. What do you want to do about them? Convert them all? Kill them all? Or learn to live with them?
Julia Iskandar, London, England
yes political debate was on the agenda, but that was one tiny aspect of the whole exhibition. who cares what the directors get up to, the rest of the exhibition, the whole other 95% of the agenda was magnficent and don't bother trying to take the limelight of that fact!!
neve , london ,
Gosh! All these posts show the pure, raw fear you ( I am sure highly educated, well informed and well traveled, well expressed middle class Times readers) have. History shows that hysteria rises with economic discontent. Thank-you for proving it.
Thomas Falke, Berlin, Germany
The values of Islam are not compatible with a modern secular western democracy. Muslims won't compromise on their views so it is the secular westerners who have to do all the accommodating. Our society is becoming increasingly Islamified as a consequence - we need to call a halt to this.
Alan, London , UK
There is a saying in some circles going around, 'There are no moderate Muslims behind closed doors.' This may appear incendiary but it contains the truth that is unreportable. Islam is a totalitarian religion that is bent on world conquest. Read The Qu'ran you doubters! Islamofascism is real!
kevin, Lincoln, UK
Islam is a political ideology: seditious, intolerant, degrading, violent. Proscription of Islam and Deportation from the West. To those who point to 'moderate' Moslems, I challenge them to define "moderate Islam". Our civilisation is superior but PC and media's silence are being used to destroy us.
Thomas, london,
How long will Euorpe and the States think Islam wants to intermingle and become just another woven piece of western culture??As an arab christian I know first hand that Islam doesnt accept anything less than it's morals and beliefs. The more islam it's real agenda, we actmore sensitive,PC,guilty
MARK, NEW YORK, USA
Islam, for those how do not know it , is a peacful religion, and has no relation whatsoever to terrorism act. For those who want to know about islam , might find these webs of interest to them: www.islam-guide.com or www.islamalways.com . I ask GOD to let all of us, live in peace and harmony. Thax
ABRAHAM, LONDON,
England survived the German onslaught. Will it survive the Muslim one?
The surest way to overtake a country is to become a citizen first, then raise a brood of home grown militants who vote at the ballot box. It might take more time, but it works.
We're placing bets on this side of the pond....
Scott, Durham, NC, USA
On sacking him from the Daily Telegraph, the editor, Martin Newland said of Godson and fellow-writer, Barbara Amiel (wife of Conrad Black): "It's OK to be pro-Israel, but not to be unbelievably pro-Likud Israel, it's OK to be pro-American but not look as if you're taking instructions from Washington
Thomas, London, England
Islam is incompatible with secularity and the sooner Western so-called 'liberals' wake up to that the better. For our part we must do all we can to defend our secular society from the demands of political Islamists (and recognise that Palestine is a cause that they have hijacked for their own ends).
Paul, Coventry,