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Women can be impossible. For years they fought for the right to have their home-made cupcakes with the children and go out to work. They not only wanted to be treated in the same way as their male colleagues in the office, they wanted to have more time to bond with their babies at home.
Finally the Government complied. While in America mothers still only get three months unpaid maternity leave, British mothers will soon receive a year's paid leave. What a coup. Not only that, mothers can ask for flexible hours until their children are 16 so that they can be back in time to burn the fishfingers and still expect the same promotion as their male counterparts.
So why are women complaining? According to Nicola Brewer, chief executive of the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, these new maternity benefits have actually been a disaster. Companies are never going to employ a plump 30-year-old woman wearing a baggy jumper just in case she might be about to announce the happy news of her impending twins. Sir Alan Sugar was blunt about it in an interview he gave to Rachel Sylvester and me this year. “If someone comes to an interview and you think to yourself that there is a possibility that she might have a child and therefore take time off, it is a psychological negative thought,” he told us.
The evidence seems to bear this out; women have started swapping their pinstripes for their pinnies. According to Pricewaterhouse- Coopers, there has been a 40 per cent drop in women in senior management roles at UK FTSE 350 companies between 2002 and 2007. A Grant Thornton study showed that only 64 per cent of UK firms now have at least one woman in a top-level role, compared with 91 per cent in China. Girls may be higher achievers at school and more driven in their twenties but by the time they reach their forties they are being judged more on risotto than results.
A century of women's lib appears to have been negated; maybe it would be kinder to teach our daughters to sew, play the piano and cook, to help them to enjoy their home-making careers. Or maybe the concept of a glass ceiling is as old-fashioned as a chastity belt. Some employers may not be employing “women of a certain age” any more, but increasingly it is women who are deciding they don't want to work flat out once they have had children. They are redefining themselves as mothers who work rather than career women who happen to have children.
The British Household Panel Survey, which involved 3,800 couples over eight years, found that women with part-time jobs were the happiest. They reported greater job satisfaction than those in full-time work and appeared more content than those with no job. By contrast, 78 per cent of fathers said that they were happiest working full-time.
Those shoulder-padded woman who used their stilettos to become prime ministers, QCs and consultants in the 1980s and dictated their briefs while they were giving birth now seem as old-fashioned as their big hair. The number of women in full-time professional and managerial roles peaked in 2001 in Britain. The number of married mothers working full time and with infant-age children has fallen by 6 per cent in five years across all educational levels.
The commission's answer is to demand more leave for men so that they can bear more of the domestic load. But a quarter of fathers already take less than half of their paternity leave. According to a study by Cambridge University the average man spends eight hours on cleaning, cooking and childcare per week while women spend 23 hours on domestic work. But when women were asked if they wanted their partner to take over more of the childcare, 70 per cent said no.
This doesn't mean that women have given up on their ambitions in favour of puréeing baby food. For many women, setting up their own company or going freelance so they can manage their own time has been the answer. The number of women setting up companies increased by 10 per cent in the past six months. As Sahar Hashemi, co-founder of the Coffee Republic chain, says: “A lot of women are walking away from corporations because they want to live and work differently, not because anyone is forcing them out.”
It is the old-fashioned businesses that will suffer. Good companies know that it makes sense to woo older women, even if it means creating new posts for them or allowing them to work flexitime. Women need to understand that if they take a year's maternity leave they cannot automatically expect to have received a career promotion in their absence or be able to take off every half term, school outing and holiday. Both companies and women have to realise they can't have it all - but with a bit more flexibility they can have a bigger slice of it.
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For the corporation, we are all potential human capital or consumers. Parenting and family is not just a concern for women or feminists, but for fathers and all of us (and we're not all neo-libs) who wish for a life with an economy that serves us - not that we are subordinate to!
Maria, Rome, Italy
Jeff, Manchester - low divorce rates can't be attributed solely to people being content. Maybe the marriage rates have fallen too, or maybe people in a strongly Catholic country are less prepared to countenance divorce.
Because two rates in society are low doesn't mean they are connected.
Julia Treen, London,
What about the children? Not many people have mentioned them. I firmly believe that women should have the choice to work at whatever level they wish. For me, I gave up a high flying job to work locally and be around more. I'm happier, but most importantly, so are my two young children.
Hannah, Reigate, UK
Who says they aren't, Maz? Are you implying that marriage prevent women from "getting a say" on their own lives?
Low divorce rates tell me they're happy... or at least content, with their lives. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
Jeff, Manchester,
Interesting to see that Italy, the one with the lowest percentage of working women, also is the country with the lowest divorce rates in the developed world.
Jeff, Manchester,
But how happy are the women, Jeff? Or shouldn't women get a say on how they live their own lives?
Maz, Yorkshire, England
PP, London. I have no data with which to contradict your statement but Id be delighted to see the empirical evidence on which you base your assertion that ..working women ..more often raise net contributors to society. I'd also like to know your definition of a "net contributor"
Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England
Interesting to see that Italy, the one with the lowest percentage of working women, also is the country with the lowest divorce rates in the developed world.
Jeff, Manchester,
It IS a generalisation, but hard working woman are good role models and more often raise net contributors to society.
It's important that the detrimental affect of childbearing on a career is mitigated in some way or the opportunity cost will mean the % of disadvantaged children will increase.
PP, London, UK
The problem here is that of would-be parents being able to force others to finance their decision. At the margins, that means robbing other people - colleagues, employers, all taxpayers - the right to their OWN children because you have stolen so much tax from them that they can no longer afford it.
MS, London, UK
Equal pay and opportunities - fine. But equality isn't just about the workplace. In this material obsessed world that can be forgotten. I never wanted a career, but I wanted to be respected for who I am, for the differences between the sexes. Respect as a woman, not a 'co-worker'.
Nicki, southampton, Hampshire
You can please some men all of the time and you can please all men some of the time but most women are dissatisfied most of the time and you get the impression that the real dissatisfaction is about being women in the first place.
David, Cheltenham, Uk
I am a f/t manager & in October starting a part time degree, we are planning children next year. I will be taking 6 months off work then returning as my husband will be the one staying at home. I am the higher earner so the maternity laws don't work for everyone, he will get 2 weeks pay. Not fair.
Rebecca Noad, Kettering, England
This is due to the work-structure which is still male-bread-winner society based, making it impossible to hold full-time jobs and family-rearing at the same time(in EU women w full time jobs work 23 extra unpaid hours). While women of the 80s became men for their careers, women now refuse to do so.
Heejung Chung, Tilburg, Netherlands
A corporate career isn't the only model of success: smart women freelance, have portfolio careers or run a business. The corporate dinosaurs of this world are simply losing out on female talent: if Alan Sugar doesn't want to hire bright women because of his 'negative thoughts', that's his loss!
MB, Edinburgh,
I'm 32. Single. No kids. Don't really want kids. I'd love a year off work - will I get it? Not unless I quit, and who would pay the bills?
Be brutal with yourself - is your work, REALLY important? No-one ever says they wished they'd spent more time in the office.
Live more, work less, be happier.
Louise, Manchester, UK
"I have two kids a full time job managing two companies in a competitive market. I successfully manage a home, a family and a very demanding job. It is about balance. Not everyone can cope with the demanding role."
Aren't you just perfect Gemma? Good for you.
laura, Derbyshire,
Shoulder pads and stilettos - why is it always about appearance? As housework still falls chiefly to women no wonder they say they're happier in part-time work and men in full-time. And when the sexes are paid equally, let's ask again how many women would rather split the childcare more evenly.
Debbie Stowe, Bucharest, Romania
the problem is one of balance - the pendulum has swung too far and by doing so has created a situation where legislation has created more issues. the fact is that women have been told they can have it all . only to find its only on the basis that some people (men & women) are more equal than others
zugerman, zurich, switzerland
I'm a young American planning to move to Britain to be with my boyfriend so I'm glad there are regulations in place. Here paid maternity leave is not required legally. Discrimination & inequality will always exist but at least the issue is being debated. I will stay home with kids & work part time.
natalya, Chapel Hill, NC, USA
If they didn't create such a ridiculously unequal balance between male & female rights, the burden could be more shared.
Would women accept only 2 weeks maternity leave?
Why do they complain when they already get 9 months? Anyone who doesn't believe men should get equal rights has a selfish agenda
PP, London,
Take it you don't want children then Gary? It about balance - businesses need to be sure that they have people who can commit to a high level role, but at the same time, if a woman has worked for 15 years & is well qualified, they need to find ways to exploit that & allow her to continue to develop
Gemma, Notts,
The commercial world doesnt reject the working mother model,moreover it is not allowed to accept it,with the current economic climate in this country,industries are tightening their belts,I understand the dilema companies face and as a woking mother you have to have a good support network in place
Gemma, London,
Put simply, if people want to have children then they should have the money to support it.
Why should there be ANY paid leave? By all means allow unpaid leave, a child has to be cared for.
If you can't afford to have children then don't, after all it's a choice to have a child.
Paddy, Leicester,
If women enjoys bringing up children, and gives their siblings a happy and educational start, they need encouragement to pursue their "career in childcare " with good monetary means in their early years, woman with children who need a career , require good childcare and a support partner.
Valerie Andrews, Wokingham, Berkshire
The feminist ideal of "having it all" is outmoded and was always more a concept than a reality - very few can strike the elusive balance. I'm staggered people are surprised that somehow the commercial world rejects the working mother model when it so clearly benefits only one party.
Guy, London,
It is all nice but every "mother" is unique in her approach, I have two kids a full time job managing two companies in a competitive market. I successfully manage a home, a family and a very demanding job. It is about balance. Not everyone can cope with the demanding role.
Gemma, London, England
I'expecting my second baby and I'm still in charge in my managing position. I will stay at home only 4 months and I will be back at work right soon after that period. I work 8 hours a day and spend all my free time with my family. It is hard but I don't regret any decision made until now.
Marina, Roma, Italy
I agree with much of this, and when I look around for examples of (female) colleauges that 'have it all' there are none. The female high-flyers are single or childless, got their before they had kids and those with kids have hit the glass ceiling and making the most of being a working mum.
Fiona, Hong Kong, Hong Kong
Alice, you are spot on... I have seen many a few pin-suited female corporate execs. starting up their career like high-flyers. Once married and burdened with the social and family commitments of being a mom, their career graph plummets down to sublimity.Many prefer to be freelance flexi-timers.
sandy, New Delhi, India
What about women who don't want kids? If you're in your 30's prospective employers will assume you're going off to breed soon - we'll be lumped in with the 'mommy brigade' and denied the opportunities available to our male counterparts.
tilly, leicester,
The real problem here is the discrimination that will arise towards all women of child bearing age when looking for work.
personally I am a young woman who does not want to have any children - yet any prospective employer will worry that I will leave and expect a years pay.
andrea, york,
The main point is that 'equality' does not mean that you should treat people the 'same'.
The rights afforded to women are used to discriminate against them, men want to get the benefits too, instead of blaming the 'greedy women' why not the policy makers who forgot to extend perks to men also?
Kate, Sydney, Australia
Womens issues are prioritized over mens, they are encouraged to have time off to make children - something which isn't even necessary due to global overpopulation. Women expect to have the same rights as men but extra rights as women. A level playing field has been created, time to play.
Gary, Liverpool, UK
I left full-time engineering work, for flexible part-time technical work partly from home. For 7 years now I have mostly been around for my children after school and although I occasionally experience a twinge of regret when I look at the careers of my male contemporaries, I'm really very happy.
Steffi Anderson, Perth, Scotland
It would be great if we could get away from this "one size fits all" success model for women (or men!) . People should be free to pursue career or family if they wish but there are limits in trying to do both and we have to be fair to employers who create the business that pays the wages.
John Goode, Welwyn Garden City, UK