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Lambeth Conference: August 1st
Barry Morgan, Archbishop of Wales: "I think people have realised that there are not going to be any resolutions and some feel frustrated and wanted some kind of definitive statements to take home with them. Part of what this process is about is listening to different viewpoints. The drafters of the covenant will revise the covenant in the light of these. It's the only sensible way. It may seem a long drawn-out process but it will go to the Anglican Consultative Council and then come back to the provinces who will then decide if it is acceptable to them or not. There is no point in submitting it to churches now, who will tear it apart. The Windsor Continuation group has involved listening to the reactions to the proposals and it will go away and these further suggestions will be brought to the Anglican Consultative Council and then go to the provinces."
Eugene Taylor Sutton, Bishop of Maryland: "The great struggle before us at this conference is defining what it means to be the Church, and how can we remain in communion with each other despite deep theological differences. I have argued here strongly for an inclusive Church that does not exclude anyone of my brothers and sisters in Christ because of their differences. To be a Christian is not to give intellectual assent to a body of doctrine, no matter how passionately the institutional Church has held on to them. To be a Christian is to follow a living Christ who continues to lead us to places where we do not want to go, and calling us to love and embrace those whom we would rather be more like us in every way. The traditions of the Church ground us, but we cannot become slaves to tradition if they have caused us to limit the scope of the reach of Christ in our day. Such has been the unfortunate history of the Church whenever it has found itself on the wrong side of scientific revelations, and on the wrong side of using biblical and theological interpretations that have resulted in the subjugation of people who cry out for justice. Have we not been here before when the Church used Holy Scripture to justify human slavery? Of keeping women in their place? Of persecuting left-handed people? (I’m not kidding here…this was very common.) How many times must our children’s children have to apologize for the mistakes and oppressions their leaders in the faith have committed in the name of Christ?"
Keith Ackerman, Bishop of Quincy: "The amount of time left versus the amount of action needed is coming to a predictable impasse. I see fatigue in the faces of many bishops. I almost wish we could be Roman Catholics when the Popes dies for a couple of days and they would put us in Canterbury Cathedral and brick up the doors. Since we don't seem to have that polity, Heathrow and Gatwick will be open for business on Sunday."
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Many people here claim that certain scriptural passages condemn homosexual acts. I've studied ALL those passages carefully and don't believe that this is the case. Apparently the Archbishop agrees with me that those passages refer to heterosexual 'perverts' committing unnatural homosexual acts.
andrew holden, oxford, uk
I am Roman Catholic and having followed comments from the Lambeth conferance I thought the Anglican move ment wanted to join the Catholics.
The Catholic beliefs on homosexuality and Female Priests could never be changed. There seems to be no point in discussing the matter further.
James Morgan, Wellington , New Zealand
As a committed Christian and therefore believing that all scripture is God ordained,my view that any practice of homosexuality is wrong the same as sex outside a hetrosexual marriage or adultary is wrong;otherwise we are calling God a liar.We must stand firm on this as God will not be mocked
judith gallagher, Stockton-on-Tees, England
I have read curious twisting of the scriptures by people trying to rationalise a same sex attraction and a similar twisting of scriptures attempting to rationalise adultery by a 'Christian swingers' group. Neither twisting was particularly compelling. Sin is sin. Love them but don't ordain them.
John Bennett, Gympie,
Dr. Rowan is very misguided, as some of his followers, the United States must pray vigilantly in prayer groups and in private to rid this false prophet from teaching this type of doctrine. We need to show homosexuals nothing, they have chosen their own path with with a same sex mate.
sonya crowder, wyoming, US
As a former Episcopalian and now Anglican in California. It is truly, truly sad from a historical point of view that the Archbishop, Katherine Jefferts-Schori in America and so many others in position of authority can twist the scriptures to mean whatever they want it to mean so they are comfortable
Doug Perry, Rocklin, Placer
James (UK) has it right. Necessary distinctions or nuances and principles derived there from are clearly found within the NT: Acts 15, the Council of Jerusalem. Homosexual acts are disordered: Rom 1:26-27. Interfice errorem, diligere errantem (Augustine).
Warren Anderson, Victoria, Canada
What you all really need to do is read "Conversations With God". That will clear it all up for you
Nancy F., Crystal Lake, IL, US
Excuse me, but did God, expressly, tell you, that homosexuality is an "abomination". Are you relying on edicts from the Levitical Code? If so, then the eating of shellfish and pork will damn many to Hell, as well. Hogwash. Couldn't have been that important, Christ seems to have omitted it, altogethe
Aaron C. Coleman, Houston, Texas, USA
I'm reminded of the joke, "the difference between you and God is that God doesn't think he is you." God's Will exceeds Man's logic. The end of the "Good" to which we aim, must be the process, not the conclusion. The process is not limited by the confines of logic; it also includes love.
David Higginbotham, Bend, Oregon, United States
Divorce-- rather foundational in the establishment of the Anglican church--- rarely comes up. The priest in charge of my home parish (Cathedral Center of St Paul Los Angeles in a so called "liberal" diocese) refuses to bless unions, do house blessings etc, but has been twice divorced. Hypocritical??
James Koenig, Los Angeles, USA
Homosexuality to God is an abomination. This word means it is disgusting to him. The signs of the end of this dispensation are so clear it is quite startling to see how close we really are!
We have turned away from God as a Nation. We proudly say we are a post christian people. God help us!
Pastor John Hemus, St Helens, England
Extrapolation is fraught with peril. Still Bishop Eugene Sutton's comment would seem to have far broader application than the issue du jour and the Anglican church. All of Christendom ought to be listening.
Dwight McBain, Honesdale, US
Have you still not learnt that the Law can be divided into three parts in the Old Testament: civil, ceremonial and moral.
Christ did away with the first two, but the moral remains.
So let's stop making schoolboy comments about prawn sandwiches. Let's have a bit more biblical theology than that!
James, Battle , UK
Jesus clearly condemned adultery. Nevertheless there was little comment from evangelicals when Williams blessed the second marriage of both the divorcee Prince of Wales, the CofE's future Supreme Governor and his divorcee wife. Perhaps evangelicals should stop pretending to be Christians?
Steve, London, UK
Is Kieth Ackerman, Bishop of Quincy OUT of his mind when he writes: "I almost wish we could be Roman Catholics when the Pope dies for a couple of days and they would put us in Canterbury Cathedral and brick up the doors. Since we don't have that polity, Heathrow and Gatwick will open on Sundays"?!!
San Ying, Montreal, Canada
John, the bible is very clear that, for example, Jesus sits on the right hand of God, and that the right hand is preferred over the left.
In Leviticus, where there is mention of a man lying with another man, it says that shellfish are unclean...will you go to hell for that prawn cocktail at supper?
george wood, brighton, uk
Eugene, you undermine your own argument - clearly the Bible says nothing against left-handed people and must have been misused, whereas it clearly does condemn homosexual acts.
If you don't like what the scriptures say about homosexual acts then why don't you stop pretending to be a Christian?
John Smith, Lancashire, UK