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Almost a thousand square miles of Scotland have been placed under quarantine after the first British case of H5N1 bird flu was confirmed in a swan found dead in Fife. The owners of 48 free-range farms will have to bring their 260,000 birds indoors, or take measures to ensure that they have no contact with wild birds. Should such precautions have been taken earler? Are we doing enough to prevent the virus spreading - should the quarantine be imposed nationwide? Read the <a><b>article</b></a> and send us your view using the form below<p>
On Sunday morning when working alone on a canal towpath, a walker drew my
attention to a dead Aylesbury duck in the adjacent field. Not having my cell
phone with me, I stopped work and went home to report this, starting with a
call to the Police 0845 number. This referred me to another number who
referred me to yet another and another - five calls in all. Unfortunately, I
had not noted the final one correctly, so got nowhere. I phoned Cumbria who
had taken basic details and who promised to phone back. Nobody did. Shortly
afterwards it was announced that only groups of three or more birds were of
interest to the authorities. However, should I see a whole flock of dead
birds, I'll not be wasting my time and money again, listening to the
blandishments of a seductive voice welcoming me to the (exciting) world of
DEFRA, and to menus and gabbled phone numbers. The duck was still there
yesterday, Monday. Name and address withheld
Well done,
Tony Blair. It would appear from most media coverage that he has
successfully pulled the wool over people's eyes, since no-one is talking
about the real problem: that a pandemic by a virus which is currently
killing 55 per cent of its victims "may be imminent" (WHO March
2006), but the much-trumpeted UK pandemic preparedness plan is based on a
mortality rate of 0.37 per cent. Those who say that a pandemic may not
happen need to know two things: that every new human flu strain had caused
pandemics before settling down into ongoing seasonal outbreaks, and that
there is no precedence for such new strains to cause repeated human
infections and then disappear spontaneously. These are facts and they are
scary. It is not scaremongering to tell the public scary facts, which is
what the Government is using to silence dissent and divert attention from
its failure to address this issue adequately and openly. A freight train is
accelerating down the tracks. It may still stop in time, but we don't know
that for sure. Tony Blair is asking you to not jump out of the way: "trust
me, I've got it handled." Are you going to bet your children’s lives on
Tony Blair’s word? Susan Chu, Beaconsfield
Is a
symptom of bird flu that it induces mild hysteria, speculation and hyperbole
amongst the media particularly TV news reporters? Robin Miller, Edinburgh
Well,
it's the perfect story for journalists and columnists with a mental block
about what to write about next isn't it? Let's scare the willies out of the
public about what might happen to them if a series of coincidences occur.
Paul Caisley, Guildford
Perhaps the British are being
unnervingly sensible about "bird flu" simply because we have seen
it all before in the UK and dealt with it before it got out of hand. The
last case was in Norfolk in 1991 - the steps taken at that time stopped the
disease in its tracks. It clearly does not make for a sensational headline
which is probably why the media have largely ignored this successfully
contained outbreak. Name and address withheld
Are we
going to keep all domestic poultry housed within buildings for the next one
hundred years? The consensus of expert opinion is that globally the wild
bird population will carry the Avian Influenza (AI) H5N1 for a considerable
time - the likelihood is beyond the year 2099. The implication of this, if
we implement the present strategy of housing all domestic birds in order to
avoid contact with the wild bird population, is that there will no longer be
any non-commercial free-range poultry keepers - myself and others whose
hobby and part of our way of life and cultural identity will become an
extinct species! So far in the debate, the long-term strategy to live with
the global wild bird population and the natural life span of this present
epidemic seems to have been missed, or at least not reported (it must be
noted that AI was first recognised in 1878, and the cause a virus first
identified in 1955). My own research indicates that self-interested
organisations have rather short-sightedly missed or forgotten this key point
in helping to determine the wisdom required for immediate crisis management
and forging a long-term strategy. Anti-viral inoculation procedures already
exist to combat numerous Avian Influenza strains, including H5N1. Myself,
and most likely the majority of non-commercial poultry-keepers, are happy to
treat our birds, register our flocks if required, helping to maintain bio
security with strict observance of regulations regards disease control. This
action should begin immediately. Graham Matthews, Gower, Wales
A
pandemic will be a disaster. Who will be stocking up and staffing
supermarkets or other parts of the food supply chain? With possibly 25 per
cent of such workers off sick and another 25 per cent staying at home
through fear, or the need to care for sick relatives? The same goes for fuel
supplies, health facilities, the police and other emergency services. It
might not happen, but if it does it will be pretty apocalyptic. But I
suppose our worries about oil supplies, climate change and terrorism will
recede. Mike Briscoe, Manchester
Seems that DEFRA is
intent on mismanaging another disease crisis within the farming world. They
made a total balls-up of the last one and I'm confident they will do the
same this time. This virus is slowly mutating and will eventually cause huge
problems for human health. Drastic problems require drastic solutions ...
act now, vaccinate - or we will come to regret it. M. Frederick, Warsaw
Apparently bird flu has killed 19 people in Indonesia which is the
fourth most populous nation in the world. The virus has been in that country
for some time. The total number of dead at 19 would probably relate to the
daily deaths in the UK from influenza and related illnesses during the
winter period. Could someone please explain what the fuss is about? Name
and address withheld
A geneticist friend of mine in
California tells me that there are only two genes that need to be changed
(or mutated) in the H5N1 DNA to make the current strains transmissible
between humans. If this is correct then it is only a matter of time, and
probably not much time at that, before the mutation takes place. Whether the
resulting virus retains its lethality or not is unknown, but there are
indications from south-east Asia that this could increase as well as
decrease. Whatever the lethality, nobody alive (except those who have
already survived the disease) will have any effective immunity to this
strain. In October 2005, Newsweek magazine quoted Dr Margaret Chan,
head of pandemic-flu preparedness at the World Health Organisation, who
stated that once the H2H version emerges, there will be a three-week window
in which local outbreaks can be controlled before the virus spreads
worldwide. There must be effective surveillance, the authority and the will
to impose and enforce areas of quarantine, the availability of anti-virals
in sufficient quantities to be rushed to affected areas and an effective
state of readiness in hospitals if this is to be controlled. If we get this
wrong, there have been estimates of up to 142 million deaths worldwide and
we can forget about the price of oil as the worldwide economy will grind to
a halt. Nicholas Rose, North Carolina, USA
Blah blah blah.
I find it hard to take this seriously. There are so many nasty things out
there that I know could happen to me. I'm finding it a little difficult to
worry about what "might" happen when a disease that doesn't
actually exist in humans yet could, if a bunch of other things happen
develop and then I "could" catch it and would probably die, but
I'm all right at the moment because it hasn't actually happened yet, but I
should take care because it might.... Is anyone else getting a headache? Kate
Ryan, Surrey
Frankly, I don't find anything laughable about any
viral disease, whether animal-to-animal, animal-to-human, and certainly not
human-to-human. A virus is mindless rogue DNA, with no other "purpose"
except self-replication, forever mutating, and easily transmitted through
coughs and sneezes (the very symptoms that viruses provoke, no doubt, to aid
their dispersal). One may laugh at hysteria, but even the Chief Medical
Officer was quoted recently as saying that it was inevitable that avian flu
would, sooner or later, mutate to a pandemic form, transmissible directly
from one human being to another. What would be the mortality rate in such an
eventuality ? Hopefully not 50 per cent, but even 0.5 per cent translates
into 300,000 premature deaths. I shall continue eating chicken, and getting
out and about, but every statement from Government that I hear will be
closely scrutinised to distinguish fact from wishful thinking, common sense
from spin. This Government does not have a good track record in its handling
of health crises, whether involving livestock or human beings. Colin
Berry, Antibes, France
I find the hysteria surrounding bird flu
both laughable and disturbing. BSE caused the fatal VCJD in humans but
killed less than 200 worldwide. SARS rapidly reduced in potency once it
spread from human to human and never made it here (despite infecting
Canada). There is no evidence that bird flu will mutate to facilitate human
to human transmission, and even if it does it is unlikely to retain its 50%
fatality rate (in bird to human transmisson). Also Tamiflu is designed to
fight "normal" flu, not H5N1 and isnt even particularly good at
that, so people may as well be panic buying Lemsip for all the good it will
do them. In 2004, 34,500 Brits were killed in road accidents; 15,000 died
from hospital acquired infections; 12,000 died from "regular" flu
and 234,000 died from cardiovascular disease (figures from ONS). If a human
flu pandemic occurs in my lifetime I know that there will be only one thing
that will get me through it: luck. I will not live my life afraid of "ifs
and buts" - it's too short. Darla Danya, London
Defra
is able to advise farms, it's able to regulate them. But what about garden
hens or small flocks living free range? We have three birds. Apart from the
news, how will we know what precautions are needed? And should our
neighbours have rights over management? After all, they are only a fence
away. Julie Wadey, Winterton, North Lincs
There is another
risk posed by H5N1 that western governments seem to be very quiet about:
market risk. Ignoring (for just a moment) the human risk involved in a
mutation of the virus, and assuming a continued fatality rate of
approximately 50 per cent, if H5N1 does suddenly become easily transmissible
between humans we face a potential financial apocalypse. Let's say it starts
spreading in London.... Who would venture out to places of commerce - that
is, would you go to the High Street? Would you go to the supermarket? Would
you even go to work? Would you send your children to school, or would you
find a place to hole up in the country and hide for 3 months? The impact on
any economy of the sudden cessation of commerce would be staggering, and
that is ignoring the impact of potentially millions of deaths. You, it does
not actually kill millions, only threaten to for the economic impact to be
felt. And you thought that a housing price retreat imperiled your finances. Brett
Little, Boston, USA
Surely if the objective is to keep the
two strains from mixing, flu shots should be mandatory for poultry workers
worldwide, as that is where the mixing is most likely to occur. Rose
Nicholas, Charlotte, NC, USA
Avian flu has killed 60 people
in two years, hardly worthy of reporting, let alone as being the next
pandemic. The meat of the birds affected by avian flu is not dangerous if
consumed. The only people to be infected are those that spend a lot of time
very close to infected birds. Why not leave the birds well alone, then no
humans will be infected. If no humans are infected, human to human
transmission would not be possible. No pandemic and no panic. Also, no need
for the BBC to use the word 'lethal' in every sentence when reporting about
avian flu. David Leslie, Crieff
For Pete's sake, hand
your pet chicken a tissue and get on with your life. Avian flu will go the
way of swine flu, SARS and the Millennium Bug. Kim Righetti, Upland, CA,
USA
Ok so now I am confused. I think understand the
devastating effects that bird flu does have on birds; but I don't understand
why it is inevitable that his virus will mutate into a form that will easily
be transmitted between human and that this mutation will be as dangerous as
the current from. How many millions of humans has it been in proximity to
for the past year without mutating? Why has it not mutated to be highly
infectious to humans yet? If it does mutate in this way will it inevitably
be deadly to a significant proportion of humans? I don't wish to sound
callous on this last point, but I'd like to see comparisons with predicted
deaths from bird flu and, say, all forms of death from tobacco smoking in
similarly vunerable people. Mark Barratt, Twickenham
The
Government should not be allowing such scare mongering to take place in the
media. Quite frankly I think its sick to prey on peoples feelings like this.
Stockpiling vaccinations is ridiculous - it is the pharmaceutical companies'
way of making big money on the back of fear tactics. I would encourage
people to get on with their lives and to not add energy to this fear
machine. Kelly Martin, Gloucester
As I sit in a
restaurant in Venice reading La Repubblica, the article on avian flu brings
a very insightful thought to my head. I look at the maps, charts and reports
of the slaughter of thousands of ducks on their migratory route through
Turkey towards the Venice lagoon. Then I look out onto St Mark's square at
the thousands of pigeons and the thousands of tourists from every corner of
the planet. If we are not exaggerating the issue, surely these birds would
give the possible mutant strain the perfect opportunity to enter the system
and become a pandemic. Should we be culling the pigeons in St. Mark's
square? Mark Wheeler, Madrid, Spain
So this year it's
bird flu. A few years ago it was Sars. Last decade it was the flesh-eating
virus. And a century or two ago it was the fulfilment of the Book of
Revelations. Humanity always seems to think that it is on the brink of a
major disaster, and yet here we stand. Perhaps the media and the scientists
really have got it right this time round, but if so, they have only
themselves to blame for destroying the trust we might have placed in them.
Samuel Blanning, Southampton
The Government needs to begin
stockpiling vaccines otherwise we could see a death toll of the proportions
of a modern black death. This problem will not go away and immediate action
is needed. Jack McDonald, Sunderland
I agree with Mark
Wheeler of Madrid about his thoughts on pigeons. I have pointed this out to
town hall officials, yet Blackpool town centre is overrun with these
disgusting, filthy, disease-ridden birds. Worse, people are not discouraged
from feeding them. We all know the flying potential of these street vermin
and around Blackpool there are quite a few wild bird sanctuaries - one only
a stone's throw away from the town centre. Shirley Bowen, Blackpool
The
Government has responded to the growing threat in the correct manner. The
only valid criticism would be that they may have placed their Tamiflu
antiviral order with Roche a year too late - the order won't have been
completely delivered until 2006. If the virus waits another year before it
can be easily transmitted from human to human, then the UK will be one of
the best prepared countries in the world. If not, the situation may be as
bad, or even worse, as the 1918 flu pandemic. Toby Flux, Surbiton, Surrey
The Government should be more cautious about the possibility of
H5N1 reaching our shores. One would think that they would have learnt their
lesson with foot-and-mouth disease, the resulting cull of livestock and the
debilitating impact it had on this country. If H5N1 does mutate we could be
looking at a pandemic with thousands, even millions, of deaths. Or are we
now just tempting fate? Personally I think it’s better to be safe then sorry
but obviously the Government has other ideas. Shamir Kishan, Northampton
If the Dutch and the German farmers have been ordered to bring
their birds inside in response to the World Health Organisation's concern
about a pandemic; how can the Department for Environment, Food and Rural
Affairs (Defra) continue to define this as a "low-risk" situation?
This country spends too much time and money managing crises instead of
preventing them. Are we merely protecting the 20p premium on free-range
produce? And how will this balance out when people stop buying fowl
altogether, because they feel the risk far outweighs the benefits? Which two
million people will get vaccine doses when the demand could be for 50
million? There is no question in my mind that this Government is not doing
enough to prevent what other sensible countries in Europe have deemed a
potentially leathal outbreak. My family boycotted British beef for years,
and will not hesitate to do the same for poultry should we not gain some
assurance that precautions are being taken. Given the setbacks experienced
by the beef industry because of the mismanagement of BSE, one would have
thought that by now this Government would be doing everything to prevent
similar crises. Lisa Cirenza, London
I see it is the
usual Defra complacency: do nothing until disaster strikes and then destroy
millions of innnocent creatures. Even after BSE and foot-and-mouth they
never learn. Jo Dignan, Warrington
If avian flu was
called "a new killer virus, for which we have no vaccine, with a
potential 50 per cent mortality rate" perhaps people would be a little
more concerned. The 50 per cent mortality rate is so far only bird to human.
It is predicted that it is only a matter of time before H5N1 recombines with
other viruses and develops the ability to pass from human to human. The
wider the spread of the virus among birds, the greater the probability of it
recombining and causing a pandemic. H5N1 is currently expanding and heading
our way through Russia via migratory birds. We may need a good deal of luck
as well as proper preparation and planning if we are to avoid a human (and
economic) disaster. Jonathan Rawson, Warminster
The
veterinary industry is doing all it can to prevent an outbreak in the UK and
Europe. However, due to political and social constraints it has not been
possible to confine the current H5N1 to its Asian origin. As a consequence
we must now do all we can to prevent it spreading further and when the risk
is thought to be high enough our government will impose all of the control
measures deemed necessary. As for this being a knee-jerk reaction from
bureaurocrats who don't know what they are talking about, it would do well
to remind the general public that many scientists and government officials
dedicate their lives to researching and preventing another horrific outbreak
of influenza. Should this virus should mutate to a form easily transmissable
from human to human it would be catastrophic. Regarding the vaccine put on
order, this would be distributed primarily to health workers to mimimize
their risk. Due to the rapidly evolving nature of the influenza virus it is
necessary to develop a vaccine for the whole country once we know what we
are fighting in order for it to be be sufficiently effective. During the
vaccine development time anti-viral drugs will be administered to patients.
Finally, influenza, unlike the potential risk from BSE, poses no health
hazard through eating the birds, and thus boycotting poultry is not
necessary. Any calls by the Government to house at-risk birds should be
taken extremely seriously. Name and address withheld
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