Andrew Sullivan
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There comes a point in all primary campaigns when the ideological furore dies down a little, when the personality clashes recede, when the warring factions pause and the voters in each party ask themselves a simple question: who on earth can win this thing in November?
Republicans are usually better at this. In the past, a defining mark of a conservative was a certain willingness to swallow a minor disagreement for the surpassing point of politics: the wielding of power. But recently, as Republicanism morphed into an ideology and then a personality cult and then a series of increasingly strained far-right litmus tests, conservatives seemed to be verging on the purism of the old left.
Then, all of a sudden, in the wake of South Carolina, they took a look at the field, saw the enormous enthusiasm building behind Barack Obama and went for their strongest electable candidate: John McCain. Mitt Romney isn’t toast yet. And the talk radio circuit – long a fervent foe of McCain – is still spluttering revolt. Some leading far righters – Michelle Malkin, the mega-blogger, and the columnist Ann Coulter, the Paris Hilton of right wingery – have even said that they would rather back Hillary Clinton than McCain.
The cascade of establishment endorsements that McCain has received in the past week will be hard to counter. The Republican governors of the big states, Florida, California and Texas, all endorsed the crusty Arizonan senator. Buoyed by soft early polls that show McCain beating both the Clintons and Obama in hypothetical match-ups, the right did what the right knows best. It closed ranks behind McCain and prayed for the Clintons to pave over the deep divisions within what’s left of the Republican party. Even now, such solidarity comes naturally to most of them.
But what of the Democrats? The two candidates can each make a case that he or she is the most electable. Senator Clinton has the advantage of having been on the national stage and seared into global consciousness for almost two decades. This familiarity lends an aura of authority, especially as she has had the imagery of the White House and the presidency behind her for eight years. It calms nerves among jittery Democrats worried about another narrow loss to a Republican. She is a creature of the past generation, which means to say she grew up developing scar tissue under conservative assault. In battle, you tend to respect the warrior with the most battered physique.
She has endurance rather than experience. Nobody doubts her competence or eagerness for hard work. She also has the contacts and network of the most powerful brand in Democratic politics: the Clintons. If you are an insecure or not too clued-in Democrat, she reassures. If you are a working-class Democrat, you think she knows what she’s doing and you fondly recall the years when Bill was running the country. Her facility with policy helps to cement the idea of her as a competent representative.
However, outside her core base of support, all this electability has a dark side with Clinton. She has extraordinary negatives. She galvanises the conservative movement in ways no other Democrat can. Against McCain, she and she alone enables the Republicans to forget their deep internal divisions and unite. Nothing – nothing – unites them as she does. The money she will raise for the Republicans is close to the amount they can raise for themselves. If you’re a hard-nosed Democrat, especially in a state that leans Republican or that voted for Bush, she is potentially toxic to your chances. No Democrat in Nebraska wants to counter an advertisement morphing his face with Hillary’s.
Hence the endorsements Obama has secured: Janet Napolitano, Democratic governor of Arizona; Kathleen Sebelius, Democratic governor of Kansas; Claire McCaskill, Democratic senator from Missouri; Tim Kaine, Democratic governor of Virginia, and Ben Nelson, Democratic senator from Nebraska.
What do all these states have in common? They are all states that George W Bush won twice. If you’re the next generation of Democrat, trying to appeal to the centre of the country, Obama is your candidate. Clinton takes the party and national politics back to the polarised red-blue ideological past. The danger of this is that if you are someone in the middle – on the purple edge of the red-blue divide – then the polarising nature of Clinton might mean that if she were the candidate you might vote Republican. Obama is the salve for this syndrome.
The polling data are clear on this as well. Obama’s margins of victory over most Republican candidates are greater than Clinton’s. He is more liberal in some respects but he tends to be more liberal in those areas where the Democrats are strongest, primarily Iraq where his antiwar stance has resonance. On healthcare his plan is less coercive than Clinton’s. In the debate last Thursday in Hollywood, he subtly made the case that he could also be more credible in withdrawing troops from Iraq – since Republicans could not accuse him of having changed his position on the war, as they can with Clinton. He made his liberalism a positive in the electability wars, which is the first time that has happened in American politics since 1976.
The winnowing of the field to two has oddly helped his electability. You could see it at the Clinton-Obama debate last week. Clinton did not do poorly. All her strengths were on show: the policy mastery, the gaffe-free talking points, the Clinton record in the 1990s. But that made his ease all the more impressive. Most crucial, Obama seemed like a president. In his body language he carefully upstaged her without looking as if he were trying. By the end of the debate he was pulling her chair back for her. If Obama’s main drawback in the electability game has until now been gravitas, he erased that gap in two short hours.
Can it work? Can Obama win? I don’t know. Clinton is still a formidable candidate and her massive institutional advantage may eventually give her the nomination. Any objective observer would have to say she is still the favourite at this juncture. But she has not won this primary argument or this primary battle. If she becomes the nominee, it will be because she survived the primaries. Obama won them.
The national polling keeps getting tighter. In every state where Obama has had a chance to be exposed to voters in real time, he has won. But the states up for grabs on Tuesday are big ones where retail salesmanship and organisation are not as powerful as name recognition. Obama has the money – in fact, he raised a staggering $32m in January alone, mostly in small sums from individual donations. He has the momentum: Gallup’s national poll shows Clinton’s lead evaporating in the past two weeks.
Will Democratic voters realise that he is now their best bet against McCain or will inertia and fear keep Clinton alive? One thing I’ve learnt in American politics: never underestimate the capacity of the Democratic party to screw it up.
"Obama Kool Aide" is delicious! It's all natural with no artificial colors or sweetners. Republicans are over rated! Don't give them so much credit Bruno! Jainzy made a great point... Democratic voters will turn out in hoards for the presidential election with tainted memories of an illegitimate Bush election, an illegitimate Iraq war, and a devastated economy. This has been a historical voter turn out for the Democratic party, that fact can not be denied. The Republicans don't have the steam of passion for their candidate that the Democrats do for both of their choices. What happened in the last two elections, the American people will not allow to happen again. We did not care as much about the candidates in the past two elections as we do now for Obama and Clinton. This will be an emotional election year, without question. Obama is the master of emotions. whether you like the man or not... He has an undeniable power over the emotions of millions of voters. Don't hate!
R. Whiteside, Los Angeles, U.S./California
What everyone seems to forget in all of this Hillary/
Barak pro & con is that Republican G.W.Bush and his neo-conservative backers have twice won by a very slim - contested and possibly falsifed - majority and that there are hordes (!) of angry voters out there who won't bother with the primaries but who will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who she or he is.
We want to have our country back - to be able to love America again! And to be humane to each other regardless of sex, creed, color or income differences - let's start with national health insurance, like England and all of Europe has - and to talk with other countries without invading them - for a start, Iran and whatever's next on the Republican agenda.
Make no mistake about it - a Republican victory means a continuation down the path to disaster for our country and - because we still have an exceedingly heavy footprint (despite the recent China hype) - inevitable disaster for the entire world.
Jainzy, Amsterdam, an American abroad
The author seems to be drunk on Obama Kool Aid. Obama a 'Centrist'. Are you kidding me. You sound like a cult follower. Come on look at his voting record. He is considered the number 1 far left Senator today. He is going to unite the country? Hmmm, lets see who said that recently...'I am a uniter not a divider'. And what did we get?
You really believe that some one from the other side will reach across the aisles to work with him. Heck even McCain has a tough time within his own party. Obama will give us the same Bush principles of dividing the country with his far left agenda.
I am a centrist that was excited by Obama and would have voted for him, until a took a closer look at his record. No way I am voting for him.
As usual you Dems do not get it. You had Kerry a far left candidate, who lost and now after the Republicans are done with Obama, he will want a 'Change he can believe in' and go back to Illinois. As usual it will be a close race, but MCain will pull it off.
Bruno, Dallas, TX
I just skimmed a number of comments here, as I like to hear all viewpoints. Hearing them gives me more of a balanced idea of how people are thinking about the various candidates. I am trying to be objective, though, I know I am not objective, as what human is when it comes to politics. My concerns lie in the area of providing for the needs of our citizens, while being a positive force in the world. And I mean a peaceful positive force, helping countries that want to be helped to be more self-sufficient, decreasing our dependency on oil for the future, shoring up social security and medicare, for our future generations, shoring up our educational system, while remaining a country without huge controlling government. I think there must be a balance to all of these extremes, a centrist position where business is encouraged, heathcare is provided within reasonable costs, I could go on and on, oh yes, and the planet isn't treated with disregard and wildlife with brutality.
carol h foster, San Diego, CA
Interestingly enough, according to the Congressional Quarterly, Obama's Senate voting record has been MORE supportive of the Bush agenda than Hillary's. So much for being the agent of change.
Regarding his vision for the future, Obama's official education plan indicates that he will gut the NASA budget and postpone the Constellation program (Space Shuttle replacement) for five years to fund early education. I thought this and other worthy programs would be funded by with all the money Obama will free up by ending the war in Iraq?
With apologies to Star Trek, his motto seems to be, "To boldly go NOWHERE..."
Peter Smithson, Scranton, USA/Pennsylvania
There are such subtle policy differences between the two candidates that one has to wonder why their respective supporters are so stridently opposed to voting for the one who survives the primary. Please don't tell me it's because one is more liberal than the other. Senator Clinton has a government program for every conceivable illness. She has no background or affinities in the private economy except where she and the former president have received hefty book advances from publishers. There are two primary reasons that I am opposed to voting for Senator Clinton under any circumstances: 1) I am opposed to a continuation of the Bush-Clinton succession; 2) I am convinced that she is too polarizing to govern effectively. But, I think when it comes to anti-Obama positions stated by some, I am not so sure that some "other" more deeply rooted biases aren't being revealed?
Oscar Pinyon, Decatur, USA/GA
I'm an independent ...if Clinton wins the nomination, I'll vote for her.....if (GOD forbid) ultra liberal Obama wins......I will vote Republican-which I have NEVER done in 30 years! There is surely ALOT of money backing Obama and ALOT of promises from him..... but at whose expense? My grandkids, and their kids, and their kids, and.........
Pat, Mantua, New Jersey
I am for Hillary. If Obama gets the Demo nod, I will vote Republican just to keep him out. He is a media darling who has no idea of what he is going to do or how to get it done.
He is African-American. So whatever happened to just being American? Shouldn't that be what our first priority is?
He tells the people what they want to hear. When it works, he is brilliant. When it doesn't, he didn't get the vote because absentee voters voted before he caught fire. That is sooo lame. They have thrown all of the insults that they can at Hillary and her supporters while Obama supporters are treated like the second coming.
Let us bow down and worship the great Obama...
KC, Kansas City, MO
Easy choice here, Clinton gets the nod I vote for McCain, if Obama gets it he gets my vote. I will not vote for the status quo stale politics of the Clintons. I am done with the Clintons and the Bushes!
L Woody, Seattle, wa
You have got to be kidding. How in the world can anyone discuss the possibilites of Mr. Obama as President. He is just a few years shy of being a Chicago alderman because of charisma. You people need a reality check. I have no idea what he stands for. Today Barack says he will replace the levys in New Orleans by 2011. He will make the city impervious to a cat 5 Hurricane by 2112. I wonder where this speech took place. Tulane University,? Maybe? Wherever he speaks, he addresses and promises to meet the needs of those who are listening. More importantly, those in need. People, please, aren't you tired of endless promises? He sounds nice, he sounds sincere? Man, aren't you peolple tired of rhetoric? Yikes!!!!!!!How does he intend to pay for this? Oh, I'm sorry that requires thought. Remember, we are in this decade long mess because of misleading promises.
paul, chicago, il
I am torn between Obama and Clinton, but articles like this one are pretty much useless to me. This author is essentially saying "dont vote for Hillary because the Republicans hate her." Ok... what happened to voting for candidates who have good ideas and the ability to implement them? I am supposed to swallow my instincts and vote for a lesser qualified candidate because the republicans have a problem with the one I like? Sorry, I might be a woman but I have bigger balls than that.
Furthermore, for all of you that think that Obama is your man because he is less "divisive" and has better "character"... have you forgotten that our government is lead by some of the greediest and most POWERFUL people on the planet? Sorry to break it to you but if you really want "change" than you might want to vote for Hillary because she knows who she can and can not work with it.
I really just want to know who has the best IDEAS for fixing this country. Mr Sullivan, thanks for nothing.
Lindsey, Boston, MA
For me, it's very simple. Clinton wins, I vote republican; Obama wins, I vote democrat. No two ways about it.
We need a president with character, intelligence and courage. This is something that has been lacking over the last 4 terms. With Bill, there was intelligence but no character or courage; with George W, there was a lacking of all three.
Obama, in a way, remindes me of another president from Illinois long ago, someone who had no experience but plenty of character, intelligence and courage. It's only poetic that his legacy continues in Obama.
If not Obama, then McCain: character, intelligence and courage in a president.
James, Seattle, WA
A vote for Hillary is a vote for the Washington status quo, and a continuance of the politics of the "Iron Aisle" that separates the right from the left. If this is "experience", then it's an "experience" I wish not to repeat. There is a risk associated with a vote for Obama, but, in the true American spirit, it's a risk I welcome. Fortunately for us, it's a much lower risk than voting in a president who has no previous experience in our federal government, like we did in 1992, with that guy from Arkansas who's now functioning as a party "whip".
Greg, Malvern, PA
For those who believe that it will be enough for Barack Obama to surround himself with people more experienced, look at the Bush presidency. There were enough voters who believed that he could surround himself with smarter, policy-oriented people. Obviously, that bet didn't work. Hillary has more experience in government than Obama, but aside from that she has years of experience working outside of government on issues of significant public-policy importance. She is a strong, intelligent, thoughtful person. Reducing her to the status of a "ribbon-cutter" in the first Clinton presidency is insulting to her and many women. Being married to an influential man does not negate the accomplishments of the spouse.
Heather, Toledo, OH
Obama says get it right on day one well did he? has he? In one of the debates it said that in the Ill senate he voted 133 times present. meaning not yes or no he did not take a side or stand on an issue. He did not like some of the amendments added to the bills. Ok did he change any laws about how the bills were written? No he just continued to abstain from voting. That is not a strong selling point--. So if he could not change the Illinois senate how can he be effective at changing Washington.or the world. Maybe when I go to vote I should just say present and mark my ballot for Hillary. His inspirational message is super just doesnt have anything below it to fall onto. He is just a powder puff making everything look pretty. But at night the make up comes off and we need the person with experience to do the real work. Obhama did not get it right in his home state he isnt ready to take on the weight of the world.
Mimi, Catonsville,
Obama for President?
Obama responsible for 300 million Americans?
In 8 years he couldn't take care of 150,000 constituents in his IL Senate District. I can't imagine the horror of this clown trying to take care of the needs of all Americans. He will be another George Bush, not JFK.
While a State Senator, over 1,000 Black families were tossed into the streets when 16 apartment buildings in his District owned by his 17 year friend, Syrian Slumlord Antoin Lezko and his ex-boss and political mentor Allison Davis were repossessed or condemned.
Obama didn't raise a finger to help them!
While dozens of these families were freezng through a terrible winter for FIVE WEEKS in Jan-Feb because Lezko didn't pay the heating bills for their apartments, Obama was spending the $1,000 Lezko donated to his re-election campaign.
As a Director of a Charity, Obama voted to contribute $1 million a Davis' project. Davis kept $750,000 of the donation as his "fee". Vote NO to Daley machine product Obama.
Dale Johnson, Wheaton, IL
This is nuts. If this is the best set of candidates our electoral system can produce, maybe we should try selecting our president by lottery.
Mitch, Boston Massachusetts, USA
sometimes we need a political virgin.
we had one in the u.k. called blair.
he turned out to be political prostitute.
so who knows what is best. we wait in the u.k. and u.s of a
for a diety on a white horse to come out of the morning mist.
europe knows it wont happen.
whose is wrong?
rod smith, manchester, england
American, America and the world all know a Clinton returned to the White House is a death kneel for us all. I do believe we need a "uniter" at home and at large. McCain is not the most favored of the Republicans but he sure would be better than the far leftist regime Obama would reign upon us.
Jay, L.A., U.S.A.
reading these comments has me thinking one thing, TV and the media running the election and god help the rest of the world.
There comes a time in any country's time span where you need someone who is a battler, is not there to be liked but is prepared to do the job.
So it is nice to see the USA is as badly served by it's media as the rest of the world in allowing informed debate beyond the punch line and sound bite and those journalists who wish to be more famous for five minutes than those they are interviewing or commenting on.
So far looking in on a country I have enjoyed visiting, in these comments I can only say I have seen the worst of all things, blind and thoughtless thinking reflecting so many prejudices.
Come USA, you get the president you vote on, not the one picked by TV celebrities and the media, so please wake up and start making the right choice and mend so many fences with yourselves and the rest of the world, before you implode as a nation.
R Oakland, York, England
I don't agree with the article, what I think people forget is that Obama has not had to face the republican machine, which will not skirt around his faughts, which will find every dirty fact about him, when they talk about his drug use and make jokes about the president shooting up cocaine, see the dems are keeping the high road, the reps definitely will not, this great positive stuff will evaporate when he feels the full force of the rep press. Hilary, we know what we are getting she can hold her own with the power of the rep press and is the right one of the candidacy
Andre, Winston Salem, North Carolina
The superbowl victory of the Giants has given Massachusetts to Obama, despite the polls. One victory for NY in a week is already one too many. And Hillary, for once, didnt pretend to straddle the camps in this fight. SHe came out solidly for her home sate, NY.
Dave Williams, Lincoln, Va
As always Mr. Sullivan you present a clear unbiased view of politics. Very much agree with you. Am hoping that all independents like myself in California turn out for Obama on Tuesday. If not, I believe most of us would vote for McCain because Hillary is definitely partisan gridlock all over again. And she'll never be able to convince us otherwise.
Joe jacques, San Francisco,
I also agree with you Sullivan. Hillary Clinton is a Weapon Of Mass Division and her win will only mean the Republicans will keep the WhiteHouse for probably another 8 years which is something the American people are sick of. Hillary can never keep any promise and can only windsurf and follow the polls on issues. She believes America should only talk to friends and in foriegn policy this will mean continuous hatred of America and alienation in the world which is just a continuation of what America is tired of getting from the Bush's presidency.
Venatius, Bamenda, Cameroon
Obama has proven his ability to draw voters from groups that will never vote for Senator Clinton: young/first-time voters, Republicans, Independents. If the Democrats want to win in November, they must nominate Senator Obama. Republicans will, as Andrew writes, unite against a Clinton candidacy. Doesn't it make more sense to nominate the guy who can actually pull votes FROM the Republican party as opposed to someone who will galvanize the Republicans as never before?
Donna M., Long Beach, CA
The people I see supporting Hillary Clinton repeatedly neglect the central theme of Mr. Sullivan's argument: that Hillary is the most likely to lose in the general election. I can understand all of the people out there who consider themselves a fan of Hillary... but who cares what great things she would do in the whitehouse if she's never going to be able to get there. By the much larger turn out of Democratic voters in the primaries (even in red states), we can see that the Republicans are disheartened at how badly their party has screwed up the country. Many of them will just sit him come the general election as well because there isn't anyone they want to vote for... but there is certainly someone they will come out to vote against, a Clinton. Never underestimate the power of hatred among those on the right.
Micah Bobo, West Sacramento, California
Very well put...right or wrong, there are just too many people out there who would NEVER vote for Hillary. If she gets the nomination, I firmly believe the Republicans will have another four years. The last eight have about done us in... wake up, America - elect Obama.
Michele, McKinney, Texas
I am one of those who will vote for Mccain if Hilary wins. What I remember of the Clinton reign is watching his indiscretions captivate the minds of people for a year. What selfishness. It is her business if she forgives him, but why should the US submit itself again to the likes of the Clintons?
Can you imagine Obama doing what Clinton did in the oval office? No way. Just not that kind of person.
No one will easily solve the difficult problems our nation faces, but at least Obama will inspire creative possibility rather than calculated positioning.
The Clintons are selfish, arrogant people. Mccain seems like a better man. Obama represents something else altogether.
Amara, Phoenix, AZ
I totaly agree with the author of the article. was going to vote for Hillary in the CA Primary up until a couple weeks ago . When I realised that John McCain will indeed be the GOP Nominee, I did some numbers crunching between him and Hillary and I didnt like what I saw. McCain would definatley beat Hillary. So Tomorrow, I am going to The Polls and I am going t do something I never thought I would do, I am actually going to vote For Obama over Hillary simply because Obama has a better chance of beating McCain. I feel Hillary is The Better Candidate and she has more experience over Obama but sadly she cannot win the general election against Mccain. Obama's inexperience does bother me but hey, JFK actually didnt have much more experience when he became president. I just want a democrat to be the next president. The last 7 years under Bush has really damaged the united states and we need a chage
tom, valley villge, ca
The true questions is this democrats, are you really deep down inside prejudice because the truth is, Obama is the right man for the job, he has all the qualities to run this country and to actually make it better, and make a difference for the better in each and every one of our lives..He's already showing charateristics that deem better than Bush Sr., Clinton(Bill), and Bush W. If he was not black, he would clearly be the front runner, and we all know it, and not because he would be running against a woman..but simply because he is the best person for the job,so i ask you dems. this are you so blinded by race..that you would rather see a republican that is sure to led us even futher into debt, and leave our soliders in the trenches of un-nesscary war(that we claimed victory over years ago, remember bush on the ship claiming victory).rather than a democratic president that has the power to pull this country together that doesnt need 9/11 to do so. Come on now people hes just black!!!
Shannon, Oklahoma City, OK
I am a red state independent, I will vote for Obama and my husband's family are republicans and all but my father in law (my father in law will only vote for republican) will vote for Obama. I so agree with this article, if Clinton get elected, she will united the republicans here, I really don't want see another repubican white house after 8 years of Bush. Don't screw up democrates!!!
Tracy, Charlotte,
Clinton "experience" ? Granted , although she herself was not the prez, through her marriage connection she is privvy to ALL (political not mating issues) that the prez does and surely was a sounding board for much...that counts...defacto one heck of an internship.
However Mr Clinton's most enduring legacy is likely to be the economic boom WHICH BEGAN SHORTLY BEFORE HE TOOK OFFICE in 1992.
Greenspan, and HIS control of the economy is what brought the boom, not Clinton , who just happened to be in the chair... events in the prior admin (Bush Sr) is the basis. Things dont happen overnite...
Many of the issues that Bush jr had dropped in his lap came about from Clinton Admin. A carry over.
So...to now change "visions", at best, will just screw things up MORE... current events are tough and are world situation, not limited to USA, although USA WILL have consequences to pay as well as everyone else. Need to pay the piper and get down to serious work
bob, tampa,
B.O. will just say and do anything to get elected.
Truth, Detroit,
It took eight years for bill to clean up the first bush, Hillary has the experience. I dont think Obama would be as efficient.
mike johnson, safford , az.
Right on - the issue is the Clintons are divisive and the country doesn't want to see Bill Clinton back in the White House - after his racist diatribe in South Carolina, even the Kennedy Trifecta had to come out and support Obama. Now, Bill has been closeted - now, this Tuesday, so will Hillary - Obama is the only way out of this nightmare called today's America.
j thomas, beverly hills, ca
Republicans need to walk a very fine line during the remainder of the democrat primaries. They need to keep Obama in contention, keep him and Hillary slapping each other silly, and keep Bill out there on the campaign trail running his mouth and losing black voters every time he opens it. Every day that Barak and Hillary are running against each other is another day McCain doesn't have to campaign against them.
They then have to find a way to assure a last minute and a very slim Clinton victory. Hillary guarantees a McCain presidency - particularly if we let Bill continue to divide the democrats. She will go into an election where polls have shown for months that over 50% of the electorate will definitely vote against her - no matter who she runs against.
Hillary and Bill are the best thing to happen to the Republicans for years. Obama will be back in 2012. Hillary and Bill will finally be history.
Gary Wagner, South Bend, Indiana
Mrs. Clinton forever destroyed her credibility with me when she allowed her husband to publicly humiliate her. He allowed her to lie unknowingly, and defend the indefensible. Mr Obama has a great many faults but when compared with Mrs. Clinton he shines brightly.
F Braneff
Frank Braneff , Mission Viejo , Ca.
Hi ! It is my OWN vote! I don't need your "education"!
Go Hillary !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Truth, Detroit, USA
john mccain will wipe up the floor with an inexperienced lightweight like obama oh how the republicans must be laughing at the dumb democrats who are under his spell obama is a joke and anytime the liberal news media is pushing a candadite like obama red flags should go up and tell you to not vote for obama we cannot afford an inexperienced president with a war going on
linda, ocala, usa florida
I find it interesting how experience is being cited as such a important factor. None of the candidates have ever been President before so they are all inexperienced for the job. Besides, as we have seen from the past, the President's staff have a huge impact on his/her performance in office. Sure, I wouldn't want to elect someone who has never been involved with politics, government, leadership, but I believe that a persons ability to surround himself/herself with good people and convince potential adversaries to come together for discussions and compromise is a better combination than real or percieved experience.
I would suggest that voters vote by who they think can do the job, based off of the skills that the job requires. Give it some deep thought, do the research, and then make your choice.
Who am I voting for...It doesn't matter to you, use your head and your own intelligence to pick who you believe is best for the job.
Keith, Montezuma, Georgia
What's this thing about experience? Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cherney have donkey years experience yet they screwed up. Motivating and galvanizing a people toward a national cause is a more emotional thing than rational. American needs someone to lift its spirit so it can sprint to the stage where it ought to belong. That person, sadly, is not Clinton. It is Obama. Leadership goes beyond establishment mastery and being dyed-in-the-wool policy wonk.
Kingsley Lington, Monrovia, Liberia
The reality of this election, no matter the evenual nominee for the Democratic Party, is this election is still about change. Either of the candidates would be better then John Mc Cain!
Once the field is narrowed, as it should be by the party in primaries, not by the national media the Democratic party will make history and the Republicans will offer up more of the same. In Nov. of 2008 we will either have a black man or woman running against a 72 year old white man who will continue the politics of fear and dishonesty.
The country will have a chance to show the world in 2008 that we are the greatest country in the world or we will return to fear and fade into unimportance.
Its not a matter of the Democrats screwing this up, Andrew. Its a matter of the country, Republican and Democrat, standing up for the candidate that will save the rest of our young soldiers, our economy and our very soul, VOTE DEMOCRATIC!!!
Anthony, Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Sir:
Interesting article. However, your basic claim is that Mrs. Clinton galvanizes the conservatives - hence they might win in November.
Isn't Mr. Obama more to the left on the war and major isues so that would seem to fire up the right. Maybe she galvanizes the right because she can do more damage to their policies politically as president. I am looking for the one who most effectively can thwart the neo-conservative and conservative grip on my country.
John Lyons, Amman, Jordan
Hillary spent her early legal years taking on cases of child abuse at Yale-New Haven Hospital, volunteered at New Haven Legal Services to provide free advice for the poor. In the summer of 1970, awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor, researching migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education (report that) - I seriously doubt how Mr. Obama's post Harvard years were spent, and not in such frugality ... coming from `a silver spoon in mouth family,' born in Honolulu ... growing up on the beaches in Hawaii, far off Indonesia, private schools all the way until the Ivy League. That is not the Jesse Jackson or MLK Jr. experience of the working class in our country. He is the greatest invented, most tightly wrapped candidate I have ever seen w/stuffed phony poetry ... invented by the Very Rich Mayor Daley-David Axelrod Chicago Machine Politique.
JohnOsborne NY, New York, NY, USA
I am a Republican and I could vote for Obama. If Obama is not the nominee, I would vote for any Republican over Hillary
. . . even Huckabee who scared me with his "change the Constitution" religious rhetoric in South Carolina. Obama would set the stage for a profound change in American politics. Hillary would be the same old divisive nonsense we have had for almost a generation. This is not about Hillary being a woman because the Hillary-Billary show is not about
gender, but power and it is not power to help people, but to help themselves. The symbolism of a first woman as president would be lost. It does not take a great deal of courage for Hillary to run, but Obama has done something
Colin Powell refused to do. Powell was popular with all voter
but his wife was afraid that a black president would be killed.
Obama has transcended that and the response has been extraordinary. It is more important that this man be nominated
and mayvbe elected than that woman - Hillary
J. D. Brewster, East Hampton, New York
Yes Obama is a formidable&strong candidate,a new generation American with strong views but let's face it,are these enough qualities to become the President of the United States of America?Passion I feel is not enough to govern the strongest nation in the world,whose policies affect every Country in the world.Experience really matters I must confess and the United States presidency is not something that can be gambled with or given to chance.It isgood Obama is contesting for the Democratic ticket now,good,that is a experience for him,I see Obama definately becoming the President of the United States in 4-8 yrs time definately,his time will come,but it is not now,he needs a bit more time to toughen up and be more matured,he is going to be one of the nation's greatest Presidents,but the time is just not now.
Hillary for now is the Person right to do the job.Most people giving endorsements to Obama now are not doing it for him,they are scared of Bill Clinton,you know why???
Bode Alonge, Lagos, Nigeria
Can people stop crediting Hillary for the 8 years of Bill's presidency??!! There is no president consort in the US! Hillary was first lady cutting ribbons and failed miserably to reform health care back......in '94-95!
She got elected to the senate in 2000 with all her husband's connection,....and voted for the war in Iraq!.....and she cries under pressure after loosing......one single primary!
Need I remind people about whitewater, phoney endorsements from fraudsters......
So please people. enough with the "Hillary has 20 years experience'...being the spouse of someone doesn't allow you to claim the other's experience and knowledge. Imagine if your dentist's spouse did the same, would let him/her operate on you?!
Frederik, Toronto, Canada
seems to me the best candidate for the democrats may be mccain.
jem, london, uk
How could anyone that claims to love America not salute it in the usual method? In the following link is the picture of Obama not placing his hand over his heart during the national anthem. A hand over your heart represents how much you love this country and everything this country stand for. A hand over the heart also signifies that you have deep respect for the men
and women who lost their lives to defend this country and all of it's freedom's. If he wins the nomination, you can be rest assured that I will not vote in November. Next thing you know, he will get rid of the flag and start having people salute him like Hitler!
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html
Hillary stands for what this country is all about. We all saw her weep in New Hampshire! Why? Because she is so concerned that this country may elect someone that will run a diplomacy as our current monkey in chief has done, and she feels that compelled to try and stop that. Vote Hillary in '08
Jim, Syracuse, NY
I am appalled by your words. This is a backlash campaign against Hillary Clinton! Does anyone know exactly what is Obama's stand on issues..no, nobody. Everyone is just mesmerized by his empty message of "change". What does he actually mean by "change" and how is he going to make it come about. Clinton is an articulate and experienced woman who is envied by men just because she is very confident and prepared. Grow up people....look at the facts and don't drool over someone like Obama who cannot show us concretely what he means by "change"
C.E., Virginia, USA
Black people have the wrong idea and that is they are voting for obama because he is black .which we he might win I think we need to look @ the issues Clinton and she is a woman and a lot of women want her because she would be the 1st woman as president again we must look @ the issues years ago a lot of people wanted Hilliary to run and we finally got here to do it I think she is more experienced and can do the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA some good !!
john , Dawson, georgia
Here, here! This country does not need another 4 years where at least half our country can't stand our own president. If she does eek out a 50% +1 win (the polarizers are very good at the math that wins elections, but that plurality prevents them from governing worth a damn), we'll be in another 4-8 years of stalemate where nothing gets done but more campaigning for the next election...
But if she runs against McCain, he'll be the only one drawing from the independent voters. And I personally know those who would brave a blizzard to vote AGAINST Hillary.
Wayne Brady, Madison, Wisconsin
Obama speaks of change but doenst give any details hes the same old thing. or to put it another way if he was elected (say hello to the new boss same as the old boss)
As a life long dem, if he manages to get the nomination Ill be voting Reb. Best canidate out there is Ron Paul, but we wont ever get a chance to elect him, so Hillary in 08 :)
samus, orez , fl
I'm taking a chance with change. No more of the same.
Obama 08
Vernell, Virginia Beach, VA
Vernell Gregory, Virginia Beach, VA
this is an eminently persuasive assessment of the electability issue. Basically Clinton's base is made of voters who pull the Democratic lever every four years. She brings no one new to the coalition.
david henkin, san francisco,
Thank you Mr Sullivan, for those honest words about Hillary and Mr Obama. I feel like you there is no better cryptonite out there for Obama to beat the Republicans then not nominating Hillary. Also it can be applied to the DNC if the dems foolishy nominate Hillary well we just uses our own cryptonite agaist us. Obam is what i would say four the next 4 years at least what this country needs.
Ambryo , Dayton , USA/Ohio
I agree with you totally. Hillary is a divider not a uniter. If she receives the nomination we can expect John McCain to be our next president. Be smart people, Barack is our guy.
marquel willams, Lapeer, michigan
Obama no doubt, for all of you worried about the war in Iraq....first of all she would hold no ground with the muslims and probably would be encouraged to lauch more attacks against the U.S. Unfortunately, anyone that looks like the status quote (White male) won't be able to get anything accomplished outside the U.S. Barrack is the U.S. only hope....so all of you hating on an Intellectual black man....to bad. Barrack is the Man, so suck it up!
Tre, Adrian, Michigan, United States, Michigan
Andrew
Personally i think you're views seem very establishment - 'too establishment'.
If you want us not too vote for Hilary just give reasons, rational simple reasons perhaps her being incompetent could be one and stop playing the Obama rhetorics you're really not good at it.
tolu, Lagos, Lagos
Great artical, right on the point ! Well done .
lanchen, Costa Mesa, California
Andrew,
You write passionately & articulately about the Democratic field. You confuse me. Have you converted?
Michael B., Hillsdale, NY
The Clinton Legacy
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
If I were Hillary Clinton, I wont run for President because the Republicans will tear her down with all their past records.
Tony Kings, Enugu, Nigeria
Where is all this experience coming from? How many elected positions has Sen. Clinton held in her political career? Answer:one. Her current one. That's it, ladies and gents. Just that one. The gravitas that her campaign yields is not because of her awe-inspiring record as a candidate, but the fact that she was "present" (brief homage to Obama's Illinois voting record) for the years here HUSBAND was in office on the state and national level. So really, she has one term in political office longer than Obama. Should we next nominate Nancy Reagan? Or Lizzy Dole?
Let's also knock off these notions about electability. There is no conservative that the Republican Party hates more than John McCain. Just listen to the firm of Malkin, Coulter and Limbaugh with their never-ending hit parade on him. The only thing that sickens the Red Menace more than a McCain presidency is one where Mrs. Clinton is President. Want to give an otherwise bankrupt party new life? Do this: nominate Sen. Clinton.
Thomas, Dallas , TX
After reading some of this trash there is no hope for America. We would talk bad about Jesus. We hate our neighbors and donât love our God. Get the log out of your eye before you talk about your brother. There is a lot poison in these remarks on this site.
Tman, spring, TX
I would never pick the older doctor who has lost so many patients and is now fighting numerous law suits for her negligence. AND whose medical partner has been hauled into court for malpractice.
And that describes the Clintons' co-presidency run.
I would pick the brilliant younger doctor with the most prestigious medical training from the best medical school who has a proven track record already of healing the patients he has served and also working pro bono in poor underserved communities. And that is Obama.
shirlin, Eureka, USA
If the Democrats nominate Obama, they will lose the presidency before McCain. But with Hillary Clinton as a contender, there will be a chance of having a Democrat as the next President of the United States. Remember the formidable economic development under Bill Clinton's administration. It's Hillary (and Bill) who will bring a change to America, not Obama.
Nguyen, Hochiminh City, Vietnam
Hillary Clinton is the leader we need now!
I saw her speak at Cal State Los Angeles yesterday and she is highly intelligent, full of energy and quite stunning in person. When she shook my hand and looked into my eyes, I wished that everyone could get a chance to feel her beauty and see her smile up close. She patiently waited while I got my camera out and kissed and hugged my 7 year old daughter. TV cameras were not there and secret service was trying to get her out of the building. She loves people and she truly feels that she can make a difference as the president of the United States of America. I believe everyone should give her a chance, because she is the one we can be proud of to be our president!
Destiny, Studio City, California
Barack '08!!!! I completely agree with this article. I just hope that the rest of America realise this before it is too late!! I am ready for Super tuesday!!! Barack '08!!!!
Jay, Los Angeles, California
KENNEDYS ARE PAST!! I don't think their endorsement matters much. It's easy to give nice speeches and use flowering rhetoric. It's not easy to govern. At this juncture, OUR COUNTRY needs someone with experience; and that's NOT Obama.
Sam, St. Louis,
Andrew, I beg to disagree. Nobody more prepared to fight the Republicans than Hillary Clinton. In the event that Obama wins the Democratic nomination, I am voting for the Republican nominee. I don't trust Obama to be able to navigate the perilous situation our country is in. He's much too much of a wimp; I don't feel confident at all.
Manny, San Diego, CA
Obama is a good man, and perhaps he'll make a good president one day, but Hillary is truly the better candidate right now. Our economy is a mess, and wars continue to be a major source of conflict. Health benefits must be addressed. I don't think O is ready for these problems. Actually, it's too bad that we're in this sad state of affairs, and I don't know why anyone would want to inherit this republican mess.
RHerrera, Lake Oswego, Oregon
It doesn't matter who you pick, because McCain's going to win either way.
BurtP, San Francisco, CA
I keep reading about leadership and experience in very general terms and without what appears to be any real depth. Itâs becoming more obvious to me that most of these comments are being made by individuals that have really no idea of what a leader is and how experience plays in to this. Furthermore, while it may be nice exercise to open your mouth without stretching your intellect, it really is a short sell of what you could contribute to others. LEADERSHIP is vision, passion, strategy, judgment, and action. Obama displays all of these attributes. If you take a look back over the past 12 months Hillary has followed his lead. In the last 1.5 months she changed her slogan, began a new stump, and found her âvoiceâ. At 60 she has found her voice? Iâm not knocking her but you would think with all of her experience she would have found her voice a little sooner.
The doctor analogy. This is the exact kind of looseness of thought that makes me curious about your qualifications.
Leo, San Francisco, California
From what I gather, there is no substantive reason why a Clinton-supporter wouldn't also support a McCain presidency, and vice-versa. Obama is the only remaining candidate who can be considered to offer something completely new to the American people - and that is his strength.
You should remember that time spent in Washington is not a measurement of wisdom - and this is true even more so in this election. Bush had considerable establishment experience when he was elected, yet this did not translate into a successful presidency.
The swing to the right in America is now complete, and the foundations for a swing to the left are now being laid in response to the obvious incompetence of right-wing leaders over the past decade. Obama represents the future of the democratic party, and indeed the global leftist movement itself. I think you will see extreme, widespread discontent in both parties if Clinton and McCain are the nominees.
Troy K, Minneapolis, MN, US
Hillary is a doer. Obama is vague. Hillary is strong and Obama is naive.
Obama is on the rise. I believe he will fall and fall hard. He may only tumble in the fall or when America realizes they have another version of a George Bush in office. I believe he is a Republican in Democratic clothing. I am with the person above who asks, "Who is the kingmaker?"
Mr. Sullivan, I think the media is guiding America to choose Obama. They refused to cover Edwards until he was out of it. Pat Buchanan who hates the Clintons is one of the few media personalities who will even concede Hillary has won a debate.
I will be voting for John McCain in the fall if Hillary is not chosen and my husband agrees completely.
Susan, Walker, MO
I firmly believe that Obama would stand a much better chance of defeating McCain or any other GOP candidate in November; and he would help the Democrats maintain or increase their control in Congress more than Hillary would. On the other hand, I'm not sure how important that might be as a determinator for who to vote for. The real reason to support Obama is because he would make a far better President - period! Hillary's calim of "35 years experience" is as bogus as just about everything else about her. If she were really the candidate "who can get the job done" as she preaches, why hasn't she even introduced legislation in an attempt to achieve any of her precious programs during the time she has been a United States Senator? Hillary is so NOT the candidate "who can get the job done" for the same reason that she is less electable. HRC is devisive and abrasive, and would be unable to work with Congress as Obama could to rule effectively. Honesty, integrity and believability = Obama too
Willie, Gotha, , USA/Florida
WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR??? BILL IS NOT ON THE TICKET!!!What has HilIary actually done? I keep hearing a lot of talk about Hillary's accomplishments, but in all actuality she's only been an elected official since 2001(obama, since 1997). Yes she was in the White house for eight years, but that's just because she happened to marry a guy who would become president. She was just the wife of the President. THAT'S IT!!! Bill was calling all the shots then, and if anyone of you guys has been following the primaries you can see that Bill is running the show now.
Kellen, Tokyo, Japan
Some of these people commenting on here should be ashamed of themselves for even considering themselves to be Democrats. Especially Susan L. from Cincinnati. You wanna vote Repug in this election? Go ahead, I dare ya. But don't EVER call yourself a Democrat again, because lady, you clearly ain't.
Now, Mr. Nick Pavlo, you may be correct that the "northern progressive elitist democrats lost in '80, '84, '88, and '04"; however, you are incorrect that Obama represents them somehow. In fact, if you have really been paying attention to this campaign, you'd see that Obama is uniting, not splitting, the Democratic Party AND, what's even more telling, actually pulling in a lot of Republicans to his cause! I fearlessly predict that Obama will win both the nomination AND the election. Expect to hear the term "Obama Republicans" A LOT this year!
Bob Schneider, Tacoma, WA
The best argument against Barrack Obama is his experience, and as I believe he's already made this point, time spent in office doesn't reflect your performance in office. People such as Donald Rumsfeld and Dich Cheney had so much experience going into their time serving in the white house, and look where it got us. I'm not saying Hilary will be as bad as them obviously, but history has shown us more time in Washington isn't how we should be voting. For once let's let the democratic party rise up again and not give in to the republican hate machine. Hilary is who republicans are hoping we elect because electing her will unite the republican party against us and give them something to rally around. Don't let it happen.
Sean, Denton, Texas
Don't vote on a couple of sound bites, get educated.
Obama has constantly contradicted himself -
1. Yesterday in Idaho, he promises not to take guns away; yet when running in Illinois he wanted to restrict handguns.
2. He promises to have transparent hearings on major legislation; yet when writing a bill on nuclear waste in water he meets behind closed doors with the nuclear industry who "help" write the eventual bill.
3. He says he is only the candidate that will get both democrats and republicans; yet most voters do not realize that National Journal just this last week rated him the most LIBERAL. Doubtful many repbulicans will vote for him when they hear that regardless of how memorizing his speeches are.
4. On some of the most important votes in the Illinois senate, he votes "present" - when you are President you can't vote present, you have to make a decision.
5. He is a big no-show; how many votes can a Senator miss?! Seems he misses more votes than he makes.
David, Seattle, WA
Obama is not just the Democrats' man - he is the man for America in 2008. The truth is that at this stage of the game, I would rather trust the Democrats than the Republicans with all other things being equal, because the GOP had their chance to rule this country effectively and they failed miserably. But I believe that it is idiotic to vote for politicians running for high office (most of all President of the US) because of the political party they belong to, no matter how many voters blindly follow political affiliation. I would be deeply disappointed and ashamed of our countries electorate if we fail to elect Senator Obama, who is the best leader we've had the opportunity to elect in at least 40 years. The bright side of having McCain leading the GOP, is that he would likely defeat Hillary Clinton and he gives me the most palatable alternative to Hillary if Democrats are foolish enough to nominate a proven scoundrel who can only promise 4 more years of devisiveness and failure.
Willie, Gotha, , USA/Florida
I know what Hillary says and what she says on how to fix it. Wonderful and seducing speeches are not always wonderful. Many use these types of seductive speeches to do many things and I do not know Obama. I think the Republicans will rip him apart because he hasn't gone through it like Hillary. She is vetted and can take it. Obama seems to have be handled with kids gloves in his political life. I think a vote for Obama is a vote for MaCain and at this time in the world with war and recession ....specches pale to even the slightest bit of trust.
Beth, La Crosse,
People forget that the President is but one of more than dozen crucial leaders in the administration. While Obama lacks experience, I trust he surround himself with the right people. Experience is valuable, but not invaluable. It implies tenure, and that implies more of the same to me. I'm willing to take a chance on inexperience with openness & thoughtfulness to experience with dogma & long-developed ties.
That said, I am undecided - not just Obama/Clinton, but Dem/Rep. I just think it's important that we take a close look at our government and the officials we elect, and decide if they are really serving us anymore.
Benjamin Cochran, Cincinnati, OH
After hearing Barack Obama speak I left energized, refreshed, filled with hope. I am 62 years old, I have been around the block.
Although the Mr. Clinton might dismiss my deepest feelings as a "fairy tale" I believe that a world where people use their compassion, hopes, loves and dreams to create safety is real.
I campaigned for Bill, then he bombed Baghdad, betraying my trust. He has blood on his hands and so does his Lady. We must forgive them, but not endorse them.
Obama offers us a chance to realize the fruits of all the passion and risk and hard work and open hearted love we old ones gave to the world in the sixties. He offers our young people a chance to have this same joyful opportunity to create change too.
He wants to hold up a mirror for us to see our dreams, and our true desires, to work for them. Nothing less. This is powerful, but should not be scary.
Remember Sinatra crooning :Fairy Tales can come true, it can happen to you.
Vote for Barack Obama!
Lynn Levine, Minneapolis, MN
Barack Obama keeps rising in all of the polls, because he is the best person to lead this country in a new and positive direction. He knows how to reach across party, economic and social lines. He has the intelligence and the capability to back up his words. He has firm plans in place to get us on track with the economy, Iraq and health care that is for the people. Vote for Obama with us and let's take our government back. Haven't we all had enough of the same old politics? I for one, am so tired of being dictated to. He will be an amazing President of the United States in 2008. As to all of you out there in the rest of the world who are watching us closely, thank you for caring and for supporting us with Obama.
ritz, Missoula, MT
It is amazing to me as I read some of the comments above how some Democrats seem incapable of putting themselves in the mindset of Independents or moderate Republicans. Please wake up - you may like the Clintons but most of the rest of us despise them. A Clinton on any ticket means an automatic vote for whoever is running against them. So please Democrats, be smart. Nominate Obama if you want a chance to take back the White House. He is the only one who can get those critical Independent and moderate Republican votes, i.e. the swing votes, that would determine the outcome in a general election.
MM, Denver, CO, USA
FIrst and formaost I have to say that Hillary Clinton is the most battle tested of the two. If she has survived all the attacks that have been thrown at her in the past 20+ years, I belive that she is best suited to go up against the GOP. They said she would never win in New York and in her second term her approval rating was over 60% and I might add she campained in all the GOP areas...and won. She has the most well laid out plans and the best track record. She has my vote. And one thing I have not really seen mentioned. Obama has said he is the candidate who is gonna be the new change....but he had to get the endorsment of one of the oldest political families in the Nation? Teddy Kennedy one of the oldeds wind bags in the Senate. He calls her the "Establishment" but has a voting record that is 90% the same as hers! How can you be new when you vote with the old and need the backing of the "old Gaurd of the Party?" Go Hillary Go you have my vote and your the only one who will get it!
CB, Bay Area, Ca, USA
Obama is inexperienced and is being pushed by all these women such as Oprah and Caroline Kennedy. I personally have a problem with Oprah when she mixes herself with politics, and it is because of her that I and 25 of my family members will be voting for Clinton.
Kyle Hunter, California, USA
How is Hilary Clinton better qualified to lead than my dog?
Hillary was the architect of our current health care system which exacerbated the problems of the old one and which now sees over 40-45 million Americans with no health insurance while HMOs make record profits. Her current plan won't do much to change that. My dog's idea of health care is to look concerned and to be nice to you when you're sick. Sure, she hasn't improved the system; but she hasn't made it worse like Hillary has.
Hillary got duped in 2002 into voting to go into the Iraq War and voted for a bill this year that lays the groundwork for repeating the same folly in Iran. My dog gets a little territorial when another dog comes near her while she is eating, but she doesn't go attacking other dogs to take their food away nor does she decide to go along with attacking the entire breed of the dogs who get near her food.
Hillary's past "leadership" is that of someone who is less fit to lead than my dog.
-Jo, New York
Jo, New York, NY, USA
Victor, I would want the most competent doctor that had the best chance at making me healthy again. His hope and nice words would come from his desire to make me healthy and his confidence in his abilities to do that. If it happened to be the new doctor, than sobeit. I would also want the doctor to be able to work well and have the confidence and enthusiasm of the hospital staff that would so vital for a successful surgery. Obama is the "doctor" that can make this nation and this world healthy again. Nothing against Hillary, but nearly 50% of the "hospitlal staff"(analogous for lawmakers) thinks she is the devil incarnate and don't work well with her. Again, I choose the doctor that can work well with others and get the job done correctly. Thank you for providing this doctor analagy, I will now use it often when trying to persuade others to see the possibilities of this nation when a leader like Obama can unite us and provde real progress. HOPE Rules!!!
Jim Bogus, Scottsbluff , USA
Any Democrat who thinks that Hillary can win a national election is delusional.
There is a hard 45% of Americans who will NEVER vote for her. Period. She inspires that much visceral dislike in them.
She energizes those Democrats who think she's secretly more liberal than all of her positions and votes of the last 15 years indicate. Many other Democrats loather her, but some might still vote for her in a general election; many other will not.
But she turns off many swing voters and pretty much all Republicans. John McCain, of course, appeals to swing voters because of the courage of his convictions, no matter how wrongheaded many of these may be.
I guarantee it: if Hillary gets the nomination (which she probably will), the Democrats will lose. And those who vote for her in the primary (many of whom are the very same Democrats who blamed Ralph Nader voters in 2000 for GWB's victory) will have engineered yet another defeat for their party by supporting a bad candidate, again.
MArk, Los Angeles, CA, USA
Obama for Vice President. Let's see if you guys are man enough to let people see my comments.
Alehandra Squire, California, USA
Sorry Andrew, I have to disagree.
Not because I favor Clinton, but because of what it's going to come down to in the fall.
Swing States: Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin etc.
All again mostly blue-collar working class states.
Reagan Democrats if you will.
And who better to court these democrats more so than Mrs. Clinton.....well John McCain of course. A pro-military, pro-tax cut, not anti-union moderate, non-establishment Republican, in a year where establishment could be the most dirty word out there. Especially when evangelicals don't come into play in these states, they become even more important. Without evangelicals, a united republican party is equal to a united democratic party.
Obama has no chance with these blue collar workers. He represents the northern progressive elitist democrats that lost in '80, '84, '88, and '04. The Clintons realized the country's jump to the right after Reagan, pulled to the right themselves, and jumped on this constituency.
Nick Pavlo, Baltimore, MD
No one can ever convince me to vote for Obama. It will be a scary day in the United States IF he ever won to be President. Hillary for certain has more experience. She is a leader. She will do all she can for the United States. If Obama is in the running for president I will vote Replublic. Something I never thought I would do.
Susan L, Cincinnati, Ohio
If politicians (CClinton and Obama) were medical doctors, which doctor would you pick for that life saving operation? The new doctor with lots of hope and nice words? Or would you pick the experienced doctor that has a proven success record? It's your life on the line, pick one!
Victor, Allentown, PA, USA
I watched the "Yes We Can" Barack Obama video on YouTube and had tears rolling down my cheeks. OBAMA '08.
Fred, Los Angeles, CA, USA
Thanks for the article,
If democrats screw this again, especially the super delegates, they will have themsleves to blame. I would not want Obama to be on Hillary ticket, I hope he is more smart than that. Obama could still win next time if this doesnt go well. But if he goes with Hillary, he will sinck with her. But I hope Americans will learn this time.
Eric Kakoole, Kampala, Uganda
Obama's all style, no substance. We're not voting for class president, this isn't supposed to be a popularity contest. I'm voting for Clinton because she has better ideas.
JS, Los Angeles, CA
I would vote for Obama in a heartbeat in the general election. If it came down to Clinton and McCain I would have a hard time voting for either, but would probably end up voting for McCain since I do not want the Clintonâs back in the White House. They have had their 8 years and it is time for a change.
Maggie Ellis, Rochester Hills, MI
USA needs to offer its people, and the rest of the world, a new idea of what its leadership is all about.
After 8 disastrous years of the Bush administration, EU cannot afford to make another strategic blunder, or another political sleight of hand. The twisting and lying must cede room to a new policy of public enlightnment. The people demand as much withing EU and abroad.
Clinton does not offer but more of the same. Obama is your best hope for a change.
Joel Brisas, Ft Lauderdale, usa/fl
Do you actually believe that middle-class white women over the age of 40, the voting heart of the Dem Party, will punch the ballot for an angry black man (read his first book) with a Muslim name who attends a black supremacist church? Will the hispanic voter choose Obama rather than the hispanic-friendly uber-patriotic McCain? Sorry, the Dems are better off with Hillary?
joe, New York, NY
You missed the essential point of the election process- elect the candidate best suited to govern.Obama , if elected, will be the be careful what you wish for president. He is a neophyte, believing his own press, and thinking he can govern by inspiration alone. He has read too many management books, not accomplished much, or even been tested in any type of crisis. The emperor has no clothes, just a bandwagon that the blind are following.
susan clay, Thousand Oaks, USA/CA
First of all, Clintons healthcare plan is not what would be called nationalized healthcare. If you like what you have you keep it. No one is being forced into a health plan.
Obama was never Muslim and he never refused to say the pledge.
You really should actually research the issues instead of listening to the biased rhetoric. It really scares me the lack of intelligence in this country when it comes to voting. It would be nice if you had to take a test prior to voting so that you can prove you actually know what you are voting for.
Don't vote for or against someone solely because of their race or gender or who they are married to. You are suppose to vote for the candidate that you feel represents you as an American citizen and who is best prepared to lead.
Tracey, Fallston, MD, USA
Who is more electable? Senator Obama will have left Sadam Hussein in power, a threat to Israel and the Kurdish people. And then he votes to support funding for the war and not lead the opposition against it. I am sorry but he is not the leader people think he is. Where is AL GORE when you need him?
Belle Gayer, Great Neck, NY
If Clinton and McCain get the nominations I'm betting McCain will be president. If Obama and McCain spar then Obama will win. Dems against any other reps its anybodys guess. Swing voters and Independents don't like Clinton or McCain and their votes will be counted in the final tally. Thats important when the race is close.
aswingvoter, Des Moines, Iowa
Anyone can post policy on their website. Obama hasn't shown me nearly as much substance as Hillary Clinton has. And as for you voting for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination...I will be voting for McCain if she doesn't and I've never been able to bring myself to vote for a republican for president. Go Hillary Go!
William, Knoxville, Tennessee
The powerful and astute Ted Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy are endorsing Barack. That speaks for itself!
lyn, santa barbara, california, usa
I am concerned the Democrats might screw it up and not take the opportunity with Barack, but I hope it doesn't come to pass. I sense that if Hillary gets the nomination the Dems will be trounced in November, and enter into the darkest political dark age for the Democratic. With Barack we have a chance to elevate our politics. Even if Hillary somehow squeaked out a victory in November, we're stuff in the vice of devisive, gridlock politics. My vote is for Obama. I voted for Bill twice, but if Hillary gets the nomination, McCain will be my guy in November.
James, Camp Springs, MD
I believe Obama has the composite qualities to become the next president ,the current neck-neck poll obviously gives credence to his massive followership.
Dr Chike Igbokwe, London, United Kingdom
I feel sorry for Barack, in that he will have to clean-up after one of the worst president's in this country's history. Obama WILL win despite what all of the negative, ignorant, and misinformed people have to say about him and his campaign. Things are not going to keep working the US under it's current direction, and if you think they are...you need help. Sorry.
Jeff, Cincinnati, OH
What more can I add? Andrew, you got it exactly right!
Michael Kniat, New York, NY
Obama will win the nomination and will be the next president. Go Obama!
Shelley, Glenwood, IA
It is ridiculous to vote for a candidate because he is more electable. Each citizen should vote for the candidate who s/he believes will lead the country in the right direction. It is not a game or a strategy, but the America that we want to leave for our children that we are voting for.
Pamela, Rochester, NY
Totally agree with you, Mr. Sullivan.
TD, Wayland, MA
If Obama wins he will become the least experienced President in History, mabey a good thing?
Edward, Bath, Bath
I liked Obama until I started realizing that he sounds more like a preacher than a presidential candidate. Now he scares me.
Joel, Hartford,
"If youâre the next generation of Democrat, trying to appeal to the centre of the country, Obama is your candidate." One should not confuse likeability and position. Mr. Obama is far from the "middle" but is nevertheless greatly appealing compared to the usual strident old school hacks.
Mike, Oregon, Illinois, USA
Mr. Sullivan:
Coming from a Southern Christian White heterosexual male, I agree with you for the first time EVER. There really is a GOD above. I respect your views just tend to disagree. However, you could not be any more correct in your assessment. Elections are about winning. McCain is "100" more years in Iraq. Romney is a "manager" who is not sure of his own views. This is a golden opportunity for democrats. It does not get better than this. But Hillary will mess it up big time. I work for a company in Jacksonville FL where almost 95% of the people around me are republicans. They WILL give Obama a chance. Some are firmly in his corner. They hate the air that Hillary breathes and they will vote for McCain even if Obama is on Hillary's ticket because it will mean he sold his soul to the devil. A word to the wise is sufficient my grandfather used to say.
Don Newsome, Jacksonville, FL, USA
It doesn't matter who gets the Democratic nomination, they'll win the election because George Bush has been such a negative for the Republican Party it's doubtful we'll ever see a Republican president in the next 20 years.
Bob Wilson, Omaha, Nebraska
When A. Sullivan recommends a Republican, you can be sure it it not best for the Republican Party. Romney is the only hope for Republicans. Either left leaning, no-experience Dem candidate is o. k. with me, although Obama does have charisma.
Gene, Denver, USA
I cannot vote for a candidate who wants to nationalize healthcare, build a national internet pipeline, and further expand entitlements, so I don't care how charismatic and intelligent Obama is. Don't tread on me, Barack. I don't need you, or anyone else in Washington, to run my life.
Charlotte, New Orleans, USA
I think either Clinton or Obama, the Democrats will not produce the next US President, although I hope they will...
Peter, Rotterdam, The Netherlands
I am praying for an HC nomination. Johnny Mac will clean her clock and continue the Republican domination of the White House.
Jimbo, Denver, Colorado
Andrew, just as you were wrong about Bush in 2000, you are wrong about Obama in 2008.
You certainly are impressionable to say the least. Obama is the left's version of George Bush..a Washington "outsider" who says he is a uniter. He is an empty suit, and whether from the far left like Obama or the far right like Bush they are equally dangerous.
Paul, Los Angeles,
As an independent voter in what might be the most republican state in the union, I can attest to the appeal of the voters here. Yesterday he held a rally here and drew overflow crowds. It was reported by the local media that this was the largest event ever at this venue, sporting events and concerts included. In fact, the event drew the equivalent of 10% of the population of Boise, where it was held.
The day before this, there was an event held for Hillary Clinton. She wasn't there, so that accounts for some of the disparity, but 70 people showed up, versus the ~15,000 for Obama.
Mercedes from California hit on the biggest difference. For too long Americans have had nothing asked of them but to spend, spend, spend. Obama inspires (many of) us to care again and get involved. He is not only the most electable, but also most clearly right (in my opinion, of course).
Steven, Nampa, Idaho
After the titanic debacle that gave us John Kerry, how can we not put it past those same idiot primary voters to screw it up again. The only hope the party has is if he and anyone else that cares enough about the party to do something, can mobilize new voters show up to the poles. God willing, we just might do it.
Leon, San Antonio, TX
Watching the debates and knowing the sordid history of Hillary and Bill, Barack Obama is clearly the better candidate for my country. The U.S. is long overdue for a woman president, but not THIS woman.
Forget race or gender - Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and not ethics-challenged like the Clintons. I voted for Bill twice, but I held my nose to do so the second time. These people will do or say anything to get elected.
Anthony, Durham, NC
Anthony , Durham, NC
If Hillary gets in, a lot of people will want to know: "Who is the REAL PRESIDENT here, and who is the vantriloquists dummy"?
A good question to ask.
jim, Framingham, USA
I have a foreboding sense that Democrats will screw this one up just like they did in 2004. GWB was very beatable and the best they could do is a lukewarm Kerry candidacy. I'm not a Democrat but I still voted for Kerry then. However, it was more a vote against GWB than it was FOR the Democrat. I'm afraid that the same Blue-state/Red-state mentality will fuel Clintons primary campaign and dash the historic, transformative opportunity that the Democrats have the privilege to decide. Obama is a transcendent candidate. He is the one person running for President that could unite the nation and possibly even the world. All we are saying is give Barack a chance.
Rich, San Antonio, TX
First off to the poster who said that Obama was sworn in on the koran and that he refuses to salute the American flag is COMPLETELY uninformed, and I suspect he/she knows that. The Republicans have shown us that fear is an excellent tool, so some people love to use it.
Second, I get absolutely incensed when people claim that Barack has not given any policy specifics. Are you kidding me? Go to his website, he has all the specifics you need. In fact, the Washington Post graded his economic stimulus plan an A-, the best grade in the field, especially when compared to HIllary's C+.
As a converted Republican, I can tell you that Hillary ABSOLUTELY will unify the Republican party and I for one would much rather vote for John McCain than Hillary.
The nail in the coffin for me? Before casting what would arguably be the most important vote she cast as a Senator, Hillary failed to read the 90 page NIE Report. That is INEXCUSABLE. We don't need THAT kind of experience.
OBAMA 08
Ivan, New York, NY,
Wouldn't it be refreshing if a candidate were recommended based on her skill at governing, rather than on (dubious) assumptions about who else might vote for her? If I read your column right, Hillary wins that test. That's why she has my vote -- unless Obama can make a much better case.
For my part, it doesn't help that I find Obama smug and unctuous. Hillary has earned her stripes.
I believe she'll do the best possible job of repairing the damage George Bush has done and rebuilding America's economy and reputation. Obama will chalk up cosmetic victories while making Democrats, at least, feel good about his failure at substance.
Bill, New York,
I hope they wake up and rally behind Obama, ever since 2004 when I was 18 (yes I voted for Kerry) I have been hoping Obama will run for president. I followed the race closely getting more and more excited as I saw his numbers going up. Every time a primary comes up where he campaigns you can see the numbers go up for him. Sadly my state votes in May.... so i can only wait and see.
The longer i think about the election the more I feel that Obama must win for the good of the United States and the world. There is just so much that needs to be done that I think that he can do that she cant.
I have looked at Obama's policy's, and the more I look the stronger my feelings that he needs to win increase.
But yes the main question is will Democrats mess this up for everyone. Speaking of which I need to call all my uncles and aunts to make sure they vote since they are in states that will be voting on Tue.
Will, Charlotte, NC
i think obama is a representative figure in that he gives hope to many people of color that the opportunity for their advancement in american society is being realized.
bob kenoyer, boone, u.s. iowa
Since Mr. Sullivan is so high on Mr. Obama, perhaps he is more knowledgeable and can answer the big question that remains unanswered: Who "made" Obama into a national figure? He was just one of thousands of local elected officials in America and had only seven years experience in office when he was tapped to give the prestigious keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention. Even before his speech, he was being heralded as a potential presidential candidate in 2008.
Now, with less than four years of experience at the national level, he running for president, something totally unheard of in past presidential campaigns.
So, who IS the kingmaker behind Obama?
Perhaps Mr. Sullivan is so perseptive that he can reveal a single policy or platform Mr. Obama has presented. "Change" is NOT a policy or platform. "Charisma" by itself is meaningless and accomplishes nothing.
Democrats are simply offering Yanks a contest between race or gender
Bob Evans, Anaheim, California
The greatest difference b/t Barack obama and Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with policy. He offers leadership by inclusion and unity. He sincerely seeks include us in the process of government. His message is of individual empowerment and hope. I think our democratic party will get it just in the nick of time. He will have to take it past Feb. 5th because we are a little slow believing in the such leadership is real. It is, go Democrats!! The rest of the world is depending on us.
Mercedes, Livermore, California
Obama has only been in the national arena for what three years? And since he has been campaigning it is even less
time for him as a senator. All of sudden he is compared to JFK, MLK, and you bet they were national figures for many
years.
New blood will not lessen the memory of 9/11. In the face of threats from our enemies we cannot afford to be in a DREAM
like state, otherwise we will end up with another American
nightmare.
There is no perfect unity in democracy, otherwise why would
we have a need for politicans?
Hillary is not on the wrong side of the divide in this Country.
It is Bush & Cheney, & Rove, who are the keepers of the
great divide.
I learned a lesson from Oprah, when she sponsored the author of "Million Pieces" , I went out and brought many copies
for young kids who were at risk for involvement with drugs.
Only to find out three months later it was all a lie. Buyer
beware!
Electress, McArthur, Ca.
Like Bush in 2000 and 2004, the ignorant majority in America are siding with Bill & Hillary Clinton and their divisive brand of politics. It is a maddening place to live. May we see the light.
Jackie, Trenton, NJ
This article hit the nail on the head. Many Democrats suffer an amnesia about the undeniable existence Clinton allergy. The Republicans have been rehearsing a run against the Clintons for 16 years, and if she is nominated, will unleash a formidable hellfire like never before.
Lisa, San Diego, CA
From day one, Hillary has said that she is in to win! She states that she would work hard and be in the trenches with those in her cabinet pushing legislature through. That's nice if your looking for a good manager. However, I believe we are looking for a leader, a statesman, someone that will inspire, reach across the isle to make his vision known. I believe a leader will be able to inspire those from different parties, color, gender and nationalities. We need Obama in 08.
Chris, West Palm, Fl
Hillary Clinton is by far the better candidate. She inspires me. She was brilliant in the LA debate. The only reason Obama may have looked "presidential" to you, Mr. Sullivan, is because he is a man.