Gisela Stuart
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In opposing a referendum on the new European Union treaty, ministers argue that in a parliamentary democracy it is right and proper that parliament should decide.
There are valid arguments about the differing merits of direct and representative parliamentary democracy; but there are three basic reasons why the official line won’t wash.
First, when the government promised a referendum on the EU constitution there was, rightly, no perceived conflict with representative parliamentary democracy. On the contrary, it was part of the case that Labour candidates took to the country in the 2005 general election. Now ministers want to renege on the grounds that the “constitutional approach” has been dropped or that the new treaty, unlike the EU constitution, is simply amending previous treaties. This puts form above content and is tendentious.
The original version of the constitutional treaty was also an “amending treaty”, in the sense that both the original and the new version take over the text of the existing treaties but add lots of new content as well. The substance has remained the same. It has just been made more difficult to understand.
As Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, the leading author of the constitution, said: “All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way.”
All the important changes in the constitution remain: the introduction of majority voting in many new areas and the reduction of member states’ ability to block legislation when majority votes are taken; the new powers of the Court of Justice in criminal justice and policing; and the new institutions such as the council president.
Only Britain is pretending that this new treaty is a different animal from the defeated constitution; and even here ministers have implicitly conceded, falling back on the argument that we have secured opt-outs and defended red lines.
However, these are vulnerable and are also broadly the same as were negotiated last time when a referendum was promised. No let-out for the government there.
Secondly, we should be realistic about parliamentary democracy. Over centuries of British history there have been struggles to control an overmighty executive. It is important not to be naive about these things: there was no “golden age” when MPs debated matters independently of faction.
Today the executive’s dominance (of the Commons in particular) is entrenched. The government’s majority is huge, the payroll vote and other placements are large and growing. In any case the new EU treaty cannot be amended so the whole purpose of debate and argument, let alone “line by line scrutiny”, is nullified.
The inability of the Commons to scrutinise this treaty is part of a wider malaise. Westminster has largely failed to hold ministers accountable to agreements made in Brussels. Parliamentary committees are informed but only after the decisions have been taken. Much implementation is by statutory instruments, which cannot be amended. In this context, to uphold parliamentary democracy as a reason for not having a referendum raises cynicism to new levels.
The third factor undermining the case for leaving the decision to parliament is the nature and content of the new EU treaty. National parliaments are instructed “that they shall contribute actively to the good functioning of the Union”. It is central to Britain’s constitution that parliament cannot bind its successors; yet that’s what this obligation in the new treaty is proposing. This might conflict with Britain’s national interests.
The repeated assertion by the government that this treaty strengthens national parliaments is wrong. There is a mechanism whereby the European commission has to justify a proposal, but this is a charade.
In the unlikely event that a third of national parliaments, in nine countries, all vote against a proposal within an eight-week period then the commission has to “reconsider” the proposal – but having done so it can still ignore national parliaments.
The new treaty introduces provisions of the rejected constitution that allow EU leaders to change treaties incrementally without the need for more new treaties. Such agreements have to be ratified by each country in line with its own constitutional requirements (a bill or a statutory instrument in the UK), but since no new treaty is required integration can proceed by stealth.
Beyond that, the new treaty allows EU leaders to move to majority voting in any of the remaining areas covered by unanimity (including foreign policy, but excluding defence) and such changes do not need to be ratified by parliaments. Any proposal goes through unless a national parliament objects within six months: but this requires a government allowing parliament time to vote against something to which it has already agreed.
In practice this is the last opportunity for a referendum. The notion that a decision on this treaty should be by parliament rather than by referendum is like telling someone to trust a court when the jury is rigged.
The government should stick to Labour’s manifesto promise on a referendum and it should be reaffirmed in any future manifesto for a “snap” election. To do otherwise would either break a commitment to the electorate or be based on a deception: the notion that the new treaty is in any meaningful way different from the previous constitution. Neither course is likely to help Labour’s cause or build trust with the people.
Gisela Stuart is Labour MP for Birmingham, Edgbaston
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There may not be a need for a referendum on the Treaty but one shoud be held for one very simple reason. The British public don't want to be associated with the EU. Only politicians ,of all sides, have seen the need. So give them a referendum and let them take the first step toward withdrawl from the EU.
The British public will then quickly understand the price to be paid for going it alone. The EU is moving on, maturing and developing power. If Britain wants to disadvantage its prosperity for the sake of a constition it doesn't have, please lets stop pretending it exists, or to demonstrate to the world just how ridiculous its world view is then get on with it.
Like Quebec and Canada, the public needs to be called on these issues as much as the politicians. If they're not the debate never moves on and all sides are held in limbo.
Ian, Toronto, Canada
Ms Stuart baffles me. Given her background, I thought she was pro-EU. She may well be. If so, she is unwittingly playing into the hands of those working for the eventual withdrawal of the UK from the EU. Now, the case for UK withdrawal CAN be made on rational grounds (as opposed to irrational dislilke of Johnny forerigner), but arguing for a referendum is not logically the same thing as making the case for withdrawal. People who want a referendum are either naive (I hope Gisela isn't that) or see it as a stepping stone to withdrawal (which I don't think she advocates). If the treaty is rejected in a UK referendum, sooner or later the UK will have to leave the EU (and perhaps settle for association, like Norway, or as the French and Germans intend for Turkey). What is naive (or dishonest) is to imagine (or pretend) that a referendom "no" vote (which is a racing certainty) will not have profound consequences. If people do not intend those consequences, they should not play with fire.
J.Fletcher, Canterbury, UK
I have read the EU Reform Treaty and the White Paper. From a legal perspective it is clearly not a constitution. As such, there is no ground to call for a referendum.
I have also read the EU Reform Treaty in the light of the "Four Red Lines" and taking into account the Protocols clearly set out, the EU Reform Treaty does not cross any of those lines. As such, it does not undermine Britain's sovereignty.
The objectors to the EU Reform Treaty have a political agenda, and they are allowing a hostility to the EU override an objective appraisal of the facts.
As a Conservative I can see no grounds to object to the EU Reform Treaty on the basis of what is set out in the document.
Parliament and MP's should focus on issues that matter - trying to make an issue of the EU Reform Treaty is a waste of time.
Mark Horn, Bourne, Lincolnshire, UK
This is a brutal repudiation of the people. This government no longer serves us in any way, and is only their to ensure that it cannot be replaced. Any Labour MP with any conscience must make it clear to Brown that they will resign unless he holds a referendum. This government no longer represents in any way at all the will of the people. If this were a ship. mutiny wou;d be in order.
Jeremy Poynton, Fromeville, 51st State
A cogently argued case which deserves the widest possible distribution.
Tom MacFarlane, Thornton Cleveleys, U.K.
Quite apart from Labour's manifesto commitment, Britain must have a referendum on the question of its future self-determination. The last referendum was in 1975 on the membership of the Common Market, essentially a free trade area. Since then that Common Market has metamorphosed into the EEC, then the EC and now the EU. This process of "ever closer union" (towards what Brussels has called "a country called Europe") has never been explicitly put to the British people by any government. Enough is enough. A basic right of a nation is the right of self-determination. There can be no valid argument against a referendum.
Mike , Harpenden, UK
We need more principled MPs like Gisela instead of the party hacks who will say and do anything their leaders tell them, including reneging on a manifesto commitment, in order to further their "careers". No-one gave these MPs the right to give away to an unelected body the powers which they have been temporarily lent by the British people.
Brian Tomkinson, BOLTON, UK
Gisala, The current problem relating to the referendum stems from the fact that Great Britain like that of the United States is not a true democracy. The United States is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC ! Ah, many people say. "a democracy and a republic is one and the same. THEY ARE NOT!
"We the People" the sovereign, the Founders knew that they were taking a chance. Thatâs why they opted for a republic, a Platonic ideal of educated, wise leaders somewhat shielded from the passions of the mob.
This is a corrupt form of the ideal Republic, where once the elected individual is sure he is in office, he instantly ignores the wishes of the people who elected him and awaits the orders from what he knows is his only important " constituent"THE UNITED STATES OF CORPORATE AMERICA. In Great Britain it is even more complex then that. But then you know that, Iâm sure.
Wiliam Shaw, Yonah Mountain, USA GA
This treaty it's though only for the old states of Europe that don't want to change the things. The same power for the local parliaments and big problems for change the state's frontiers. Europe should decide if want a political union like USA or not. Maybe the second option. I think that the Europe states with a century's of history don' t want lost his power and personality.
Ãlex, Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain
It's simple, give us a referendum now or prepare for a revolution later.
Edwin Thornber, Bucharest,
Gisela Stuart's views upon the EU Con/Treaty deserve to be given maximum national publicity. As one of those directly involved in the negotiations leading up to the rejected "Constituion" she speaks not only with courage and honesty, but also with authority when opposing both the Government's` lack of integrity in resisting a referendum, and also their shameless and untruthful spin in claiming that such a treaty would be 'good for Britain.'
How` sad that the Conservative leader(s) seem to be incapable of following her example.
David Parker, Carlisle,
There will be much more than just a "token fuss" as Greg, Birmingham puts it, if the government try to sign the EU constitution without a referendum. The British people have reached a tipping point, beyond which we will not be pushed, cajoled or just plain lied to anymore. There will be demonstrations, public disorder, and general civil disobedience if this "constitution is foisted on us. Enough is enough, and we have had enough.
Wat Tyler, Durham, England
Seems everyone thinks there is a need for a referendum to ensure the people's voice is heard but the same parties refuse to apply the same principle in scotland. No peoples vioce here!!
Strange that
shugg, Glasgow,
If Gisela Stuart is so enthusiastic about a referendum on Europe, why is she so unenthusiastic about a referendum on Scottish independence? If the British want to express a view on whether they are being ruled by Brussels, have the Scots no right to express a view on whether they are ruled by London?
Dr. Mark Corner, Brussels, Belgium
If you MPs allow the Con to go through without a Ref, you're all headed for the bin. It will be the end of representative democracy, and the beginnings of the totalitarian state - exactly what the founders of the EU wished to prevent.
Henry Curteis, Shrewsbury, UK
I agree totally with Gisela Stuart and that Gordon Brown should
listen to the British Nation on this demand for our RIGHT to a REFERENDUM. This Government again is afraid of lisening to the true feelings of the people.
NO HERE EU CONSTITUTION.
pcollinge, TRURO, UK
The country has been given away and is now a mere province, one where the burdens of EU membership are felt but never the benefits. The surrender of sovereignty has gone in tandem with the decline in British culture and loss of the British way of life. The indigenous people know this and it is why there won't be more than a token fuss about the EU constitution.
GREG, BIRMINGHAM, UK