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From The Times

February 22, 2008

Obama: is America ready for this dangerous left winger?

Listen to the rhetoric of Barack Obama ...

Gerard Baker

For most ordinary Americans, those not encumbered with an expensive education or infected by prolonged exposure to cosmopolitan heterodoxy, patriotism is a consequence of birth.

Their chests swell with pride every time they hear the national anthem at sporting events. They fill up with understandable emotion whenever they see a report on television about the tragic heroics of some soldier or Marine who gave his life in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Foreigners don't have to like America - and they've certainly exercised that freedom in the past few years. But most Americans can distinguish between the transience of policy failure and the permanence of the national ideal.

And surely even critics of the US could scarcely deny that there have been real causes for American pride in the past 25 years: the fall of the Berlin Wall; the victory in the first Gulf War in 1991; the nation's unity in grief and resolve after September 11. Heck, I suspect most Americans got a small buzz of patriotic pride this week when they heard that one of their multimillion-dollar missiles had shot a dead but dangerous satellite travelling at 17,000 miles per hour out of the sky so that it fell harmlessly to Earth.

But not, apparently, Michelle Obama, wife of the man who is now the putative Democratic candidate for US president, and at this point favourite to succeed to that job. In what might be the most revealing statement made by any political figure so far in this campaign season, Mrs Obama caused a stir this week. She said that the success of her husband Barack's campaign had marked the first time in her adult life that she had felt pride in her country.

This, even by the astonishingly self-absorbed standards of politicians and their families, is a remarkably narrow view of what makes a country great. And though she later half-heartedly tried to retract the remark it was a statement pregnant with meaning for the presidential election campaign.

Now, to be fair to Mrs Obama, she would surely have a point if she had said that it was a source of incomparable pride to her and all African-Americans that in a country with a long and baleful history of racial discrimination, one of their own was within serious range of becoming president. All but the most irredeemably racist Americans would surely agree with that.

But that was not what she said. She said this was the only time in her adult life that she had felt pride in America.

It was instructive for two reasons. First, it reinforced the growing sense of unease that even some Obama supporters have felt about the increasingly messianic nature of the candidate's campaign. There's always been a Second Coming quality about Mr Obama's rhetoric. The claim that his electoral successes in places like Nebraska and Wisconsin might transcend all that America has achieved in its history can only add to that worry.

Secondly, and more importantly, I suspect it reveals much about what the Obama family really thinks about the kind of nation that America is. Mrs Obama is surely not alone in thinking not very much about what America has been or done in the past quarter century or more. In fact, it is a trope of the left wing of the Democratic party that America has been a pretty wretched sort of place.

There is a caste of left-wing Americans who wish essentially and in all honesty that their country was much more like France. They wish it had much higher levels of taxation and government intervention, that it had much higher levels of welfare, that it did not have such a “militaristic” approach to foreign policy. Above all, that its national goals were dictated, not by the dreadful halfwits who inhabit godforsaken places like Kansas and Mississippi, but by the counsels of the United Nations.

Though Mr Obama has done a good job, as all recent serious Democrats have done, of emphasising his belief in American virtues, his record and his programme suggest he is firmly in line with this wing of his party.

This, I think, not his inexperience in public office, is the principal threat to Mr Obama's campaign. His increasingly desperate opponent, Hillary Clinton, keeps hammering away that his message is all talk and no substance - and she was joined this week by Mr Obama's likely Republican opponent in the November general election, John McCain.

But if you listen to Mr Obama's speeches, it is not the lack of substance but the quality of it that ought to worry Americans. His victory speech after his latest primary win in Wisconsin this week was a case in point.

There was no shortage of proposals. He plans large increases in government spending on health and education. He wants to tax the rich more to pay for it. He is against companies using the opportunities of free markets to restructure their operations in the US. He is vehemently protectionist. He continues to insist, despite the growing evidence that this left-wing nostrum would be lunacy, that the US must pull its troops out of Iraq with the utmost dispatch.

While he speaks of the need for Americans to move beyond partisanship (“We are not blue states or red states, but the United States” is a campaign meme), when you cut through the verbiage there is nothing to suggest he believes anything that is seriously at odds with the far Left of his party. If you think about it for a second, it's not really an accident that he has been endorsed by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Jesse Jackson.

Though he talks with great eloquence about the future, he sounds for all the world like one of the long line of Democrats from George McGovern to Walter Mondale to Michael Dukakis, who became history by espousing policies and striking a rhetorical pose that was well out of the mainstream of American politics.

America is certainly moving left in the post-George Bush era. The long period of conservative ascendancy is clearly over, buried by a Republican Party of recent years that has preached intolerance and practised incompetence. That a new era in American politics is beginning is not in doubt. But are Americans really ready to leap all the way across in one go to embrace a European-style Left?

All of you speak so intelligently, I am amazed at the level of it ! However, as this election has passed and we have had Mr. Obama thrust upon us and I watch as he surrounds himself with former Clinton cronies. We are going to get a first hand experience of what socialism is all about !

Wallace, omaha, USA

Kudos to Mr. Peel of Houston. see where Canada would be if it weren't for the USA

pasquale, hazlet nj, usa of Amarica

Well, Canada, when your country can start handling it's own debris problem, that is, the trash that is constantly trucked into my state for disposal, we'll talk about satellite debris. I am always amused by outer-nationals who constantly call into question what our country has to be proud of.

S. Morrow, Detroit, MI, USA

"...What we need is another 8 years neo conservative power in the white house. An adventure to Iran will bring the decline of the American empire and the rise of china and India.

sofia michael, vancouver, canada..."

Great thinking; then Canada and Mexico will actually have to invest in an army.

Mr. Peel, Houston, Texas, USA

I could not have said it any better.GC,Hillsborough,I am in complete agreement with you.
Excellent commentary.

Thanks,
CY,flagler beach

carol young, flagler beach, United States

Obama is a candidate of opportunism, self-serving emptiness, and unquenchable ambition. He had no ethical qualms about dealing with Rezko when it profited him. Obama is naive about foreign policy, our enemies, and our economics. He is anti-business, pro socialism. The United States was founded AGAINST socialist, freedom-taking European ideas - we fought and died and continue to so today to keep socialism out and individual freedom in. Both Obama and the Democrats represent everything that is contrary to American independence and capitalism. Obama's ignorance of American economics and is pro-socialist spending will destroy us.The Obamas and Wright are pathetic lovers of victim hood and handouts. His "typical white person" ignorant comment should awaken everyone to Obama's divisive, arrogant, hate-filled beliefs. The Obamas have done NOTHING for the United States except take. The emperor has no clothes and should leave stage left as naked as he arrived.

cfr, Avondale, PA

Geraldine Ferraro was exactly right about the otherwise unremarkable soothsayer from Chicago; feigned outrage to deflect the public from the merit of her observations (among many other valid criticisms) via appeals to alleged racial â€œinsensitivityâ€ demonstrate Obamaâ€™s cynical methods. In this context it should be noted that Obama has not condemned the plainly misogynistic â€œBillaryâ€ aspersions regularly directed at his opponent. This, very likely (and however counter-intuitively), is because as a mixed-race man misogyny and racial prejudice both work in his favor. Obama can essentially have it both ways, hypocritically ignoring the vicious chauvinism of his opponentâ€™s enemies while inaccurately attributing any criticisms directed at him to racial prejudice in order to â€œrise aboveâ€ such alleged abuse.

Michael J. McNeal, Denver, CO, USA

Name some of his achievements - you will find none!!!
All he can do is use borrowed speeches and exploit good decent americans. He has the backing of Oprah and friends.
We will see how long he can live his fakeness.
How dare he speak ill of President Clinton, when he was just
taking up for his wife!!!!
Any day I would prefer Hillary who is a real classy Stateswoman. She will definitely be helped by her husband.
The fact remains that President Clinton is dammed if he does; and dammed if he doesnâ€™t. So many people are so quick to judge President Clinton on anything he says. All I know is that under his watch he balanced the budget and left a surplus when he left office. Under his watch my 401k plan did the best ever. Schools improved so much. This president was and is welcomed with open arms anywhere on earth. Every world leader respects him, even Mr. Putin. The dollar is down, foreign investments are moving away from America and we are in a recession. If America chooses Hillary, the Clinton team will be productive from day one. There will NOT be a 2 to 4 year learning curve. Foreign investment will start pouring back in to our country
Our dollar will start getting stronger and America will be out of a recession.
President Clinton has earned the right to speak his mind. Will any American Husband let anybody belittle his wife????
Come on people, what you are seeing is one of the most brilliant Presidents of this century, taking up for his wife in a mild manner, controlling himself in everything he says. Did anybody else raise a Billion for the Tsunami??? A poor kid from Arkansas worked his way up, became a Rhodes scholar, governed a state many times and did what he said he will do, when he came to the White House.
America did prosper under his watch!!!!
Hillary forgave him when he stumbled. So who the hell are we to hold anything against him? All I can say is the Whole world thanks God for Bill Clinton. By the way, I'm not a Democrat. I take a person for what they have done for others

GC, hillsborough,

What we need is another 8 years neo conservative power in the white house. An adventure to Iran will bring the decline of the American empire and the rise of china and India.

sofia michael, vancouver, canada

Dear, dear Mr Baker - are you really a sign of The Times?
Mr Obama seems a breath of fresh air in a country that appears to run on ideologies allegedly espoused by the likes of James Buchanan and the Neo-Conservative cabal represented by the Bush dynasty. They seem to borrow from John Ford's adage: 'If you have a choice between printing the truth and printing the legend, print the legend', or, as the rest of the world might see it, lies. America has already dragged a number of economically subservient countries, shamefully including the UK, into a blatant grab for middle eastern oil. If Mr Obama is elected we may see an end to this disgusting attempt at armed robbery. As for Mrs Obama's comment, I believe them to be misrepresented, but, even if not, please explain what cause black Americans have to be proud of a nation that has dealt with them so dishonourably, so cruelly, and dishonestly for so long? Who really shot Malcolm X and used the Mafia drugs trade to combat black militancy

Graham Warwick, Ipswich, United Kingdom

Besides the whole Obama issue, there is something else to consider. There is a bigger problem out there. The fall of the Berlin Wall, a triumph? How about the fact that in a round about way, our good president Roosevelt, who guided us through World War II was the one to blame for September 11th. If he had not made the Soviet Union so powerful that later on we had to support anyone who was "anti-Russia" which included the tyrannical leaders of Iraq and Iran, so that their people hated the U.S. for our support of these murderers, the Trade Towers probably would have still be standing today. And why in the world were we in the Gulf Wars? As Thomas Jefferson aptly said, which applies to the whole world now, "Europe is nations of eternal war." Makes me want to join in . (sarcasm intended)

Danielle Shirley, Pecatonica, IL, U.S.A.

Hmmmm.

Obama: Is America ready for this dangerous left winger?

listen to the rhetoric of Barack Obama...

Eighteen paragraphs in this 'story' without a single direct quotation.

The bar is set pretty low the The Times

Arthurstone, Seattle, USA

Well, as my father always said, "the unspoken question in most conversations is 'compared to what?'.

First, we have a former prisoner of war with serious anger management issues who admits to little knowledge or interest in economics, but a great admiration for Wilsonian foreign policy. Save us!

Second we have a retread of eight dismal years of utterly unprincipled leadership and moral relativism.

Then we have someone who promises change and puts fourth an utterly socialist agenda.

I'm too depressed, I have to stop.

Jim Walton, Washington DC,

In last recent years America has become one of the world's most unpopular first world country.Due to its wrong political policy their image aroulnd the world is kaputt so I think the only Messiah who can rescue America right now would be Mr. Obama. Its pity to see how some Hindu Indians born americans, Indians around India are judging Mr.Obama according to his muslim middle name and skin color and not by his intelligence and honesty. They don't like black people because the funny thing is Indian don't consider themselves black. By the way I myself is an Indian I have no insecureness feeling about my dark skin.
Sonam Zurich Switzerland

Sonia , Zurich, Switzerland

Bush ran on the promise to be a uniter also, where is our country now? It is more divided than ever across all demographics. Bush ran on bringing economic properity to all Americans not just the rich. Where is the country now? We function on a deficit with no end in sight. Futhermore, Bush is supose to be patriotic but has not brought in Bin Landin. Instead he lied or worse was incapable of leadership, intellegence, and composure to defend our honer and pride by sticking to the course and finishing the job in Afaganistan. Where is Bin Landin? Bush is at best the worst president this country has produced.

Michael O'Malley, South Boston, MA

Fairly poor article I'm afraid. Firstly, if you are going to talk about what Michelle Obama actually said, please actually quote her so we can review the evidence for ourselves. Allow me:

â€œFor the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country, because it feels like hope is making a comebackâ€¦ not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change."

What Michelle Obama was clearly saying - and has reiterated since that point - is that for the first time in her adult life she is proud of the way her country is coming together; the way millions and millions of Americans are getting behind a common cause: to move beyond the partisan politics of yesteryear and I quote 'not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change'.

Instead, your article should be entitled 'Is America ready for this leftwinger?' There's nothing dangerous about Universal Healthcare or a revised sense of diplomacy.

Max, Oxford, UK

I think what Michelle Obama said was that this is the first time she is "really proud" of her country. To give her some credit the word "really" makes a difference. She is not unpatriotic just realistic, what should she be "really proud" of????? Good for her! Her honesty is so refreshing in the political race where I feel as though everything is almost pure rhetoric.

Also, to respond to some of the other comments on this wall (although it is at a slight tangent) I think that if you think Obama's popularity is because of his race I think that that says something negative about yourself and that we should not bring race into the debate. However I do see his ethnicity as a positive aspect because he does inherently represent change and tolerance.

Claire, London,

Wow, finally a refreshing view on the current United States Presidential race. Is it just coincidence that such a well written reality-check happens to come from our brothers and sisters across the Pond? I for one am so tired of the apparent gullibility of this generation of fellow Americans. Being a College Student myself, I live everyday amongst the most liberal and left-wing that society has to offer. Yet, I have always wondered, if the majority of the Democrat Candidates receive their support from my naive, inexperienced peers, what does that truly state about the Democrat Party? In Obama I currently see a true danger to America, in the sheer fact that he not only resents any attempts to uncover his past, but also his empty, hollow, cavernous rhetoric which has entranced constituents despite there being a severe lack of any logical susbtance. I am reminded of the dangers 75 years ago which came about through a gullible citizenry, who were moved by falsified "Hope", and "Change".

JAK, Washington, D.C. / U.S.A

This is an honest and eminently intelligent discussion of the problem we in the USA face. If either of the radical liberals is elected, we shall see taxes and our cost of living skyrocket as FDR's socialist dream attains its fruition. Our quality of life will decline to 3rd world style as the socialists extort further the income of the producers to achieve their dream of egalitarianism, both financial and social. Their pandering for votes has no end nor does their taxation in the effort to achieve the socialist dream. If socialism is so great a system, why has it not succeeded in any country as of yet, especially yours, the UK..

Larry Weber, Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

The US democratic presidential candidate will almost surely be a black male or a white female, and the US news media have already picked John "The Manchurian Candidate" McCain as the republican flunky.

Personally, I'd rather pick from among Moe, Larry and Curly.

But the US political and legislative systems have become so far out of whack--so distant from what they originally were and were intended to be--that no matter who it is, our next president will be a liar and an abomination to our country's foundational philosophy.

On the bright side, if the immanently unqualified black male or white female wins, we will be treated to new levels of rhetorical bandy-dancing as the civil rights and/or feminist spin doctors struggle to rationalize Barack's ("where soldiers sleep") or Hillary's (root for "hilarious") imminent buffoonery, gafs and screw-ups.

Andy Haraldson, Lake Worth, United States/Florida

If anyone really wishes to know more about Obama, visit the Southside of Chicago in the district where he was elected as an Illinois State Senator. That is Nation of Islam territory. Ride the 55th Street CTA Bus to the Science and Industry Museum for a first hand view. I can't say that I disagree with some of their views, but on the whole, many of their views are quite radical and divisive. Violence is a means to an end for that crew......

Jim, Belmont, California

Were Americans actually proud that they shot down a satellite as it approached Canada with a 25% chance of creating a 600 mile debris field on Canadian soil according to internal Royal Canadian Mounted Police documents?

It's not like the city of Vancouver with about 2 million people would have been missed much? Please give the Canadian public a heads up next time, neighbour!

Operation "Burnt Frost" -- Nice!

RAM, Canada,

I prefer Barack Obama wearing a turban, than Mr. Bush dropping bombs in Irak.

Julio, sevilla, Spain

The problem is not the democrat party in and of itself. The problem is that extreme anti-war, "feel good" hippy liberals have taken over this party. The democrats of the 1940's, 50's, and 60's are gone! OK, so George Bush made mistakes in the past 8 years. All presidents make mistakes.

The democrats say that George Bush's policies have inflamed terrorism by going into Iraq. Yet, the reality is that we haven't been attacked in over 7 years!

The democrats say our economy is bad because of George Bush, yet every economist has pointed to the bad housing market as the prime reason, because home loans were given to people without credit and income checks. People bought homes they couldn't afford. Plain and simple!

In America we have city, state and federal agencies. Days before Katrina, New Orleans and Louisiana state agencies failed to bus the poor out of the flood zones, when they damn well knew the consequences. Once again, it was much too easy and convenient to blame Bush.

Dan, New York, USA

As the old saying goes.. Americans and the British are a like people seperated by a common language. If Mr. Palmer genuinely believes Poland won the cold war and not the military/economic build up of the USA in the Reagan years, then we have proof positive of the influence of the left leaning BBC repleat with 'spin' bordering on the edge propaganda. Obama is an empty suit and is enjoying what can be described only as a brief period of infatuation from mindless individuals fooled by the promise of his hollow version of "change". We do not want to failied socialistic ways of Europe, your national health plan that is bankrupting your country, $10 a gallon for gas or your invasion by Muslims who have no intent on becoming British. We have been staunch allies for decades, but it's painful to see what has happened to our friends in the UK from rampant immigration and liberalism. Together I fear they have taken the "great" out of Great Britain.

skip woody, Chapel Hill, USA

Any article that starts out by setting up those "unencumbered by an expense education" as some kind of ideal isn't worth the paper it's printed on...and considering I'm reading this on the internet, that's sayin' something.

Eric, Nitro, WV

It is despicable that The Times has become a mouthpiece for this sort of sensationalist journalism. It is clear from US based Fox News that the proprieter of that channel is against the Obama candidacy.

On a point of a fact, how can you suggest that Americans should feel a sense of pride in the fall of the Berlin wall, it was nothing to do with the US and mostly to do with common people in Poland, czechoslovakia (as was) and East Germany. Also, how can you have pride in a victory in 1992 didn't provide any security from the same threat.

This is the very worst sort of croneyism that we in the UK can do without. Tubthump somehwere else please.

Steve Palmer

Steve palmer, Cambridge, UK

We need change in this country. When I see the middle class being slowly destoryed, more and more poor people stuck in their miserable lives, a growing trade deficit, and a vicious, aggressive foreign policy I say we definitley need change. Where is the justice in some hedge fund mangager being able to buy a $63 million painting and millions unemployed unable to find decent jobs? The wealthy have essentially been paying very little in taxes for many years now. I don't mind paying taxes but would like something for them such as help in paying health insurance. When I think of all the taxes my family paid over the years and I couldn't get help for my mother when she needed it, yes we need change in this country. When our foreign policy alienates most of the world because it is so brutal, when the Pentagon has no trouble getting what it wants and our infrastucture is falling apart then I know something is wrong. We need change. It's no wonder Obama is so popular.

Greg, Brooklyn, NY U.S.A.

As am American who has lived on the continent for over 13 years, I am utterly confused as to why my compatriots would choose to vote for a man who espouses the views which have made Europe so non-competitive in the modern age. As the eloquent column by Gerard Baker highlights, I fervently believe that the lack of basic economic understanding of the "middle American" is the base of his support. The demographics indicate that most, highly-educated persons who are economically savvy are genuinely frightened of this man. I could go on and on about the failure of government schools to properly educate average Americans in basic economics is the root cause of this problem, but to underline my case I need only point at marxist-socialist countries and their abject failure in educating their populations to compete in the global economy. The bottom line is that this man is fundamentally dangerous and that most Americans are about to endure 4 years of hell similar to the Jimmy Carter years.

Dennis, Beaufort, South Carolina, USA

"But are Americans really ready to leap all the way across in one go to embrace a European-style Left?"

...i`d say so gerard...

...i have many friends in the united states who tell me, that after years of 'dangerous right winger' george bush and his nutty right wing policies...they are ready to leap all the way out of a 20 story window to get away from extreme right wing conservatism and free market /NAFTA madness...as long as the footpath they land on is on the left hand side of the road...this is the problem that many of them have with hillary clinton..and why many of them are looking at barak obama...hillary clinton represents to many americans more of bill clinton`s "republican lite"/"drag the democrats to the center-right" policy settings that the former president was justly known for....and that the clintons appear to be desperately trying to preserve...they don`t want a blairite "third way"...they want real change...hence the unthinkable..many americans are moving left...

wasi, auckland, nz

I find it interesting that the above two posters, like myself, are from President Bush's "home" state of Texas. We had several more years of him than the rest of the country, and are well glad to be rid of him soon. It would cause me great dismay to have to deal with even another four years of Bushness. I too am a proud American, and because of that, I am very excited to see the outpouring of genuine interest in this election. The numbers of people coming to the polls to cast their votes are far and away greater than they have been in a long time, and I am proud of my fellow Americans for getting off of their collective arses, and grateful to Mr. Obama for inspiring them to do so. As far as Mrs. Obama's comment, I feel people are reading waaaaay too much into it. I've found in this life that you find what you're looking for. Maybe folks should take another look.

tmspain, Katy, Texas, USA

The artcle is eloquently written but my comments are as follows: How a government fund the initiatives which are so desperately needed in a country that call itself one of the richest in the world but with so many poor people almost the standard of a developing country? How can they sponsor universal healthcare which all the citizens must benefit from?

I personally do not see the difference between Obama and Clinton policies - much of the same which I gues is to the left but hell was is so wrong with the rich supporting the poor.
The problem I have is the taxation from $75,000 is a little steep. I do not undertand why Americans are so anti-tax - no wonder why they re living on the credit card of China.

yaw prempeh, hamburg, Germany

I am a Libertarian and opposed to big federal government. I have found the candidates offered by the two major parties to be increasingly EVIL for my entire voting age life. Every four years I grow more and more apprehensive as candidates offer draconian solutions, proposing more legislation where the repealling of poor legislation is the better option. Obama is NOT my ideal candidate. However in the war between evils, Obama is by far the least of the three dragons. McCain and Clinton are, in fact the ones offering talk instead of solutions. Hillary will make many promises she can't keep and blame others for failure. She is only interested in making "accomplishments" for herself and not for America. McCain is trying to appease the evangelists while getting just enough of the left to win the election. He represents more Bush style oppression of the middle class in favor of multinational corporate gains. Obama is, in my opinion the most electable, least offensive candidates.

Brian Conroy, Camarillo, California

Electing either Mrs Clinton or Obama will be disaster not just for the United States but also for the entire world. Both of them remind me Carter.

Subramaniam. P, Paris,

We all have opinions about high taxes & low taxes what benefits the rich and what benefits the poor. America hates any candidate that wants to help the poor & homeless, single mothers & minorities. America is comfortable spending trillions of dollars on war but God forbid you try to put computers in schools and create jobs.

What exactly are Americans afraid of.?????
How can we call ourselves unpatriotic when we don't support a war..then call us liberals when we try to feed & shelter the poor.
Last time I checked, America was suppose to be a Democracy, one vote one person, why is it necessary to put down one candidate to make your candidate look qualified. Senator Clinton has not been clear on her agenda, and McCain had no competition..The only issue McCain stands for is WAR.. a Presidential candidate should be taken to task for wishing anyone death ( Marx-Castro comment) . Un Presidential and unhumane.
Putting down Senator Obama does not improve the credentials of anyone

ParisienneDiva, Georgia, USA

It sounds as though Smith Abilene TX just needs to use that masters degree and go get a job.

Nick, West Chester, OH

In response to Ster, Tampa, Fl

Here are your two "things" for you.

Obama worked with Republican Senator Tom Coburn to pass the Senate "Pork" bill.

Obama is working with Republican Richard Lugar and Chuck Hagel on the "Global Poverty Act".

Mark, Flowery Branch, GA

Why anyone would want to end the veritable utopia that the candidates of Gerald Baker have created here in the last 8 years is mindboggling to me.

Join Gerald and scream "FOUR MORE YEARS!"

It's the patriotic thing to do, we can't have commies running this country and renaming Freedom Fries and not wearing their patriotism literally and figuratively on their lapel.

srv, Austin, TX

How do you define "ordinary American"? I consider myself one. I am college educated (master's degree), and thus, deeply in debt. My household meets federal poverty guidelines, and can't afford housing without help from extended family. We have no health insurance; I provide the only possible child care for my grandchildren. As a 45 year old white female, I could be considered a "mature" voter. I am also one of those disenfranchised independents--"far left liberals"--supporting Mr. Obama. The Bush administration has packaged self serving greed as patriotism, leaving many "ordinary Americans" deeply angry and embarrassed by our country's behavior worldwide and at home. In the land of the free and the home of the brave, where the rich get richer on the backs of the poor, and a nation of immigrants uses fear to bludgeon newer ones, while old men send young men and women to war for the sake of economic imperialism (my son among them)--damn straight, many of us embrace drastic change.

Smith, Abilene, Texas

This authour takes Michele Obama's words out of context. She was saying she was proud for the 1st time in regards to hope and the voters voting for change.

There is no cult like movement. I resent that implication. After 7 long years of despair under Bush's politics of fear for the first time Americans feel like they can breath again with renewed hope for the future.

Furthermore the "experience" factor is a false narrative. Judgment counts above all. Look where Cheney's and Rummy's "experience" got us.

Obama's foreign policy is superior to McCain' perpetual war and the hawkish stands Hillary takes. McCain will be like Bush only on steroids; Hillary a Bush-lite.

Not only does Obama have the experience & judgment with the record to prove it he inspires & unites people in a shared common cause.

Obama is authentic. Given the chance he will be one of the finest presidents this country has seen in a long, long time.

serena1313, Dallas, Texas

I saw a similar article on redvsbluereport.com.
Thank you Mr Baker for so articulately providing a warning to Americans to not follow this pied piper.

jb reed, Atlanta, USA/Ga

Mike Cato ~ Thank you very much for putting in words what many of us are thinking. Obama has absolutely nothing to offer except platitudes and pie in the sky.

Nona, New York City, USA

Dear saud,

Fear of his policy?
What policy?

Other than spend, spend, spend.

He is supposed to ne a uniter.... name one thing, just one that he did WITH Republicans. A bill, a meeting, legislation.. there is nothing. He isn't a uniter... at least, hasn't been.

Ster, Tampa, FL

For an article beckoning to "listen to the rhetoric"- there were not many examples of the rhetoric. Instead, there was the same fear- mongering that has been pervading the current president' s politics.

Ashley R, Texas, US

I am surprised at the hysteria about Mrs. Obama's remarks. She may be a Harvard educated, living the American dream, but she grew up as an African American, in Chicago, a city in which African Americans every day are reminded of their racial identity. I suppose the right's view of a good African American is someone willing to sing "It's a wonderful world!"

J. Ram Ray, Silver Spring, MD, USA

America will reject Obama And Clinton. Mark my words.

s, freehold, NJ

This article claims:

But that was not what she said. She said this was the only time in her adult life that she had felt pride in America.

That is patently false. Michelle said:

"...for the first time in my adult lifetime, Iâ€™m really proud of my country"

The way it is clearly meant to be taken is that she has an intensity feeling which she hasn't had before and I think there is profound meaning in what she is saying.

Many elections in my adult life have struggled to turn out 40 percent of the voting population - there appeared to be far more interest in American Idol than voting.

Although I might have some pride in my country, a 40 percent turnout in an election leaves me feeling fairly empty and somewhat disillusioned with my fellow Americans. To see people flock to the polls and to participate with the enthusiasm they have in this election... I can say I feel really proud in a way I haven't before...

TJ Weldy, Portland, OR

Please don't compare the US to Europe. We should be so lucky to have a society like theirs.

Sonny, Toronto, Canada

Mike is spot on. Having lived through a three decades old liberal disaster in India, I can see it coming here in America. Out here in San Francisco, you hear the loons all the time. I am going back to India before it happens. Sanity has returned to that country.

Kishore Jethanandani, San Francisco, California

Greetings,

My sister-in -law is proud to be an American at all times. She also thinks Elvis is alive and living in Vegas.

For many, many of us, patriotic pride in our country has been tempered by years of embarrassment. Perhaps it all began with Vietnam. We are Americans too, and those of you who hollar for our pride should be encouraged that we are finally begining to see something we want to be a part of. You cannot pretend we do not exist. Look for the good news in this.

thanks,

mf.

Mark Flanders, Bellingham, Wa, USA

Clearly from the readers responses to Mr. Baker's article (and to quote a prior presidential hopeful) the amount of flak indicates that he is, indeed, over the target.

Jim Johnson, Dodge City, USA / Kansas

I am a white female, over 50 years of age, with a comfortable living, and up until two days ago, I was a registered Republican (and, incidentally, a tee-totaling person of Russian extraction). Mrs. Obama has no need to apologize for her statement. It not only referred to the US's egregious history of racism, but to the problems of poor education, inadequate health care for all, the eroding middle class, the war in Iraq, the obscenely rich becoming even more so, the sub-prime mortgage crisis, etc., and I agree with her completely.

Joyce, Rose Valley, PA

Having originally come from a country that is now on a firm path towards socialism (Venezuela), it worries me greatly to hear some of the same rhetoric being spewed in the U.S. Obama's far-left message of wealth redistribution, government interference with the free market, expanded welfare, and socialized medicine is at odds with everything America stands for, yet people seem to be blinded by his charisma and empty promise of non-partisanship (he has the most Liberal voting record in the Senate). Most of his supporters, which have grown to a cult-like status, have no idea what his policies are yet they follow him with a blind passion I find very troubling. I just hope and pray that by November centrist and independent Americans (who will decide the election) will see Obama for the wolf in sheep's clothing that he really is.

Carlos Alvarez, Miami, FL

I remember another goodlooking charismatic orator who in 1997 defeated a discredited and incompetent government by promising change without spelling out the policy details. Has Obama been taking advice from Tony Blair? Or this time will things really get better?

sheila, LEICESTER,

We voted for change and we got Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. We voted for change and we had two jackels in the white house who put this country up for sale to the highest bidders.
Perhaps we should work on improving what we have instead of overthrowing it. Freedoms once given up aren't easy to get back. Look at Obama's voting record on major issues; mostly 'no vote'. Would he have an opinion if we were in a crisis and he were president? What would his opinion be? We have no way of knowing. So let's take the little we do know, a man who won't wear the American flag on his lapel, who won't put his hand over his heart during the singing of the Star Spangled Banner, and who isn't outraged by a Cuban flag featuring Che Gueverra in his campaign HQ; a man whose wife isn't proud of the country that gave her so much; lets weigh that much and see if it adds up to the man we want to lead us in these dangerous times. God bless America.

Bonnie, Miami, Florida

As an American citizen, I feel it is my responsibility to take part in our system of electing leaders, and thereby choosing in some small way the course of my home country. I find myself deeply disappointed in the seemingly perpetual ignorance that a growing number of individuals, American citizens and noncitizens alike, display when they think they know what is best for America; this seemingly being done without the slightest consideration for history and what has truly made America the wonderful place that it is.

The rhetoric that Mr. Obama preaches, and yes â€œpreachesâ€ is the appropriate term, when addressing the American public, and the world in general, is truly freighting. America was founded on just a few, but very important, principals; the least of which are not the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Mr. Obama advocates policy such as socialized healthcare, disproportionate and unfair tax practices, the withdrawal of troops from an admittedly unpopular and premature though vital war, and the further transformation of America into a welfare state to name a few. All of which will continue the erosion of personal liberty, personal responsibility, and personal values around this planet; which are vital not only to what it is to be an American, but to be a respectable human being!

In addition, the religious and racial undertones of Mr. Obamaâ€™s entire campaign leave an observant and objective person wondering what the true motivations of this man really are. One can certainly appreciate that this is a momentous occasion for the American people, and a wonderful mile marker of the progress that understanding and tolerance have made in the United States, although, to listen to Mr. Obama one is given the impression that this election is more about proving an African American can be elected then it is about whether Mr. Obama should be elected.

There is a growing belief in the world that America should feel bad about itself for one reason or another. And I am the first to admit that America is not perfect, it has made mistakes as all peoples of the world do, however, I will not apologize or be held emotionally hostage to an uninformed world because we are successful and vibrant and overwhelmingly, statistically, grossly, and obviously a good and just people. I am more proud of my country today than I have ever been, and that will be true tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, and the day after that until the day that either I or America no longer inhabit this world.

Sean Howard, Sacramento, California

Mr. Baker has hit the nail on the head and this American voter thanks you for that. I am charmed by Sen. Obama's style and the lofty rhetoric of his speeches, but that alone will not win my vote for him in the general election - should he be the Democratic nominee. Aside from his complete lack of experience and preparedness to be President and Commander-in-Chief, I find the messianic tone of his campaign quite disturbing and his economic and foreign policies - what we know of them - leftist lunacy. My vote will go to Sen. McCain and maybe in another eight years, Sen. Obama will have matured politically enough to try for another run. He is only 46 years old and I have also wondered why he is such a hurry to grab presidential power when he could easily have waited for another four to eight years or longer. By doing so, he could have a list of serious accomplishments to offer the nation, proof, if you will of his readiness and competency to hold the highest office in the land.

Alex, BRANFORD , CT - USA

Barack Hussein Obama is another in a long line of liberal, fantasy candidates. He was pushed forth by some of the most liberal, electoral contests ever devised in America. When Obama reaches the real world of the general election he will meet mainstream America. I may be mistaken but I feel pretty sure that this black version of "Elmer Gantry" will be given a free, bus ticket back to Chicago. His wife will have to pay her own way.

Gary Mauer, Battle Ground, Indiana

I don't see what is so dangerously left-wing about someone saying that they are proud of their country.

Speaking as an outsider, I think it is very welcoming and positive that Americans are taking seriously someone who is a black man and who has a Muslim name. This has already improved America's standing in the world.

If that is dangerously left-wing, then it's a wonderful thing and I look forward to more of the same.

Bilal Patel, London, UK,

I voted for Obama in the Wisconsin primary despite being a political conservative and I will likely vote for him in the general election. If the polls are correct, many other conservatives did as well and Wisconsin will probably go from being the most purple of states to deep blue.

Unfortunately, George Bush divided the country into the have and have-nots. Should it be a surprise that the have-nots have finally figured out that they were left behind by this rather selfish version of Southern conservatism? President Bush is leading conservatives into the wilderness and we are going to have to find our own way out. Perhaps it will be with the compassionate conservatism George Bush first said he espoused but left so far behind after September 11. What a wasted presidency.

Bill , Green County, Wisconsin

I am a conservative at heart, I believe in small government, non-intervention in foreign policy (unless it is a national security issue i.e. actionable intelligence) and I believe in doing business and trading with other countries. I believe in low taxes not just for the rich. The Republican party has lost its way. The Iraq war was a fight that should never have been fought, Guantanamo bay should never have been opened, abu grahib should never have happened, the list goes on. The bad things that happened under bush are not American and I am not proud of them, but they happened. The only person I believe will stop the int rest groups who controlled the country and help these things happen is Barrack Obama. I believe he can unite and lead this country through this dark period like Regan did. I support Obama and many of my conservative friends do.

Zia , Yarm, UK

It is a very sad state of affairs in the US that the vast majority have such strong opinions but such weak political or historical knowledge. Especially sad is the populist left. They are the lot who are always so quick to point out that this percent or that percent of the world or America or their coffee shop or favorite lefty blog believes this or that. As if right and wrong were merely positions to be determined by popularity via a poll. One wonders when listening to such shallow drivel why on earth we in the US ever bothered to become a Republic and to declare ourselves a nation of laws and reason. Surely we could dispense with the difficulty of logic, history, and learning and just take polls on everything. Lynch mobs looking to assuage some rumor or half truth would fit well in with todays left. What great thinker of history would rise in todays shallow world where difficult unpopular positions are the real revolutions of thought.

Bill, Vancouver Washington, USA

"Above all, that its national goals were dictated, not by the dreadful halfwits who inhabit godforsaken places like Kansas and Mississippi, but by the counsels of the United Nations."

What's the need to be so inflammatory and presumptuous? Has Obama EVER said this? Where's the evidence that this is ACTUALLY what Obama himself thinks, which is really the point, no? John McCain might be the Republican candidate, and might even call himself the true "conservative" candidate, but that doesn't mean he agrees with everything the far-right or conservative elements in this country want to do. Why must it so for Obama?

Because Baker just wants to demonize people who don't agree with him in order to be divisive.

It's this kind of attitude - undemocratic, truly - that we've got to get rid of in this country.

Karl, Berkeley, CA

I love reading about conservatives like Gerard Baker wringing their hands over Democrat's plans to tax more and spend more, and throw out the fear of bigger government under the Democrats. It's with a very selective memory that such writers gloss over the last 8 years of Bush Republicanism where government size, interference and spending has grown beyond the stage of enormous. They might quibble about where that growth is (homeland security vs environmental regulation for example) but bigger government is still bigger government
Since when was it a bad thing for America to invest more in education and health care at home? Would it be better to tax those Americans who can afford it or does it make more sense to borrow the money from the Chinese to pay for it, like the present administration has done for the last 8 years? While McCain talks about smaller government and less spending, little that he's laid out as proposals actually lead towards that.

Michael Gosemann, Surrey , BC Canada

finally! an article that talks about the candidates substance and not their race and gender!

james , bournemouth,

People should seek to understand what Michelle meant. She did not say she has been ashamed of America all her life, as the article would suggest, but that she was REALLY proud for the first time. She added: "Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change." This last statement is very important.

It is obvious that she is referring to the fact that an enormous number of voters--young people and previously-disillusioned voters--are energized to join the political process in this campaign. For the first time, voters of all races, ages and socio-economic groups are uniting behind a multi-racial and multi-cultural candidate to bring about changes in the status quo (and I know what specific changes I want). That's something to be really proud of in a country as divided as America (I'm bi-racial, and I know about America's race issues).

I don't question Michelle's patriotism--she just has high expectations of America as everyone should.

Christine, Atlanta, USA

Proud of the1991 war on behalf of Kuwait? Are you kidding?

And what did the USA have to do with the dismantling of the Berlin wall? That was Gorbachev's accomplishment, not ours.

Obama is a 'dangerous leftwinger' in the same sense Gerard Baker is a 'thought-provoking journalist.' I'll vote for Obama, but I'd happily jump ship for a candidate who is genuinely on the left.

Jack, Los Angeles, CA, USA

What the "dangerous" right-wing warmongers fail to understand is that Mrs. Obama's sentiments are shared by millions of Americans, the 70% of Americans who deplore the direction this country has taken under the neocons, who have committed and condoned acts that no real, patriotic American could possibly support, Americans who have seen the values that they have been raised to believe formed the core of what it is to be "an American" summarily discarded and defecated upon.

The candidate we should fear is the one who shills for "campaign reform" while striking a deal with a major bank to use public campaign funds as collateral, who condemns the politics of Washington, then fills his campaign with corporate lobbyists, who feels just fine about maintaining a 100-year presence in the God-forsaken country we have devastated (perhaps he would like to return to active duty).

Obama is our last best hope and in the last the last few months Americans have come to realize just that.

David C. Schrader, Stillwater, OK, USA

What USA needs is a young politician who isn't afraid of changes.
Mr Gorbachev did a lot for USSR, lets hope that Obama will do the same for USA.

Ignas, Tallinn, Estonia

Am I the only one who feels like I'm "snapping out" of this trance that Obama's had on me? The more I read about the guy I voted for, the more I feel like I've made a big mistake...

David, oakland, CA

while I like O'Bama's style, idealism and smooth talk, I doubt that most Americans are ready for him to become their President.

This should be Al Gore's comeback year.

Richard, Indianapolis, USA/Indiana

Why did Gerard Baker have to use the "F" word in this piece? He could have used other words of equal validity. I'm talking of course about his accusation that Obama would like America to be more like France. I see his problem though - if he'd written that Obama would like America to be more like Europe - or Britain for that matter - it would rather take the edge off the article - not to mention sound rather odd coming from a British correspondent of a British newspaper. So the "F" word it just had to be - the reliable execrable French once again.

A word that does seem relevant is "healing" - vox pop interviews on the streets seem to throw up this unusual word from Obama supporters. If Obama eventually wins the Presidency then this is a word of much more importance than the tired old â€œFâ€ word. But what is it that these white Americans want to see healed and why is Obama the person to do it?

Bob T, London, UK

When McCain draws out Obama and discredits him, the democrats will abandon him for someone who can beat McCain. With Obama ahead in the count, but short of the required number, a deal will be struck between Clinton and superdelegates in favor of Gore.

mark, madera, usa/ca

America has hardly any history anyway - 600 years at best.

Good luck Obama!

Ben, York,

Is patriotism necessarily a virtue?
Anyway, Michelle Obama said that it was the first time she'd felt pride in American POLITCS - what's wrong with that?
Real change is always scary. But if we elect McCain, I don't think we'll get a real change, and, since people are instinctively afraid of change (therein lies McCain's main appeal), we may very well not get change. Just a continuation of Bush-style disasterous policies.

Teresa, Portland, Oregon

What if a white women saying Mrs Obama statement?
and it reads" I am REALLY proud for the first time in my adulte life life that I felt pride in her country"...because I feel this nation needs healing...after less than 50 years of Apartheid policy...remind me of Nelson Mandela - and SA owe him a peaceful transition because he asked Safricains to foresee future together regardless their color...so rather commenting Ms Obama statement, we should say it loud ourselves and tell our african American fdudes , we are proud for the first time to see this change in our country. So Mr Baker, you shoud be as proud as Michele Obama...and not misreading in lines to discredit the chance for our country to become one ...through actually a man who is also borne from a white mother...why this does make him 100% black ??? Mathematically speaking, he is equally white and black ...this is what America needs to heal from, stop the labelling and let us be just Americans. Period

Evan, Washington dc, dc

As an American,I agree with most of your editorial. I love my country. Howdver, part of the problem is that Americans are clueless for the most part. People in America have generally had a better standard of living than most of the world. They have not fought on their own soil for many years. Many do not understand the freedom we have. They really don't. American traditional thought and values are losing out at present. Knowing how my country works, it will take some sort of major disaster. However, with the way the world is now, we will not have the luxury of time to straighten it out. I predict that Obama will probably be the next president unless Hilary is nominated. Then it's hard to know.

People want change. They're angry, but they're not willing to do their homework and do any thing about, just yell at the government. I am conservative, but do not think that either of the parties have a decent candidate.

Betsy Phillips, Columbia, Missouri, USA

You Brits do not understand the American way of life. We trust the individual to make his decision and not a centrist govt.

Wes, Chattanooga, TN, USA

After the disaster of Bush in the last eight years the US is in no position to experiment with an arch novice that is Obama. What they need is a person who has a mind of his own and the strength of character that can withstand the likes of Dick Cheney. Experience certainly counts a great deal and the trait more important to the job is not being awed by men with more experience and, perhaps, achievement to their credit proferring advice with supercilious disdain to the new President. MaCain comes to mind, again again, despite his waffling over Iraq. Forget that lobbyist, for heaven's sake!

Narayan, Bangalore, India

Eight years ago, the Extreme Right Wing declared a vicious campaign of exclusion against moderate Americans. If you questioned any of the coarse rhetoric coming from the ruling party, you were no longer "patriotic". The Flag no longer waved for anti-War Christians. "Support the Troops" became code for "I am a Bush loving, Shoot 'Em All, Let God Sort 'Em Out, Close Minded Christian Extremist." Being a pacifist meant you were a coward and an Anti-American. Good Samaritans who wanted a more inclusive Health Care system and Christ-like hospitality to the illegal immigrants, were branded as "Communists." Being educated, or thinking for yourself, meant you were a dangerous, left-wing nut.

The average American is disgusted with the hollow, mean-spirited, glorification of ignorance that the Extreme Right Wing has gleefully nurtured. Honestly, at times, it has been frightening.

I am white and I too have felt victimized and ashamed.

Susan Widdowson, Atlanta, Georgia, USA

Insightful commentary - Americans usually elect candidates from the center. Far left (McGovern, Mondale) and far right (Goldwater, Dole) usually do not do well in a general election. Our friends in Europe should not confuse the elation over Obama from the Moveon.org crowd with the general electorate which is much more conservative. Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri do matter.

Martin, South Miami, USA/Florida

Americans,
Look at the state of Europe, then vote for Obama or Clinton (If you dare!).
Europe is showing the result of 60 years of left wing claptrrap.
Yes, I can say that, I mounted the barricades of the protest movement in the 60s, took part in the marches for Civil Rights.
I was brought up a socialist, my parents dragged themselves up to middle class (if their was ever such a thing).
I believed in the right of a man to have a job, Free education, free health care. I Still believe that. I have always, however believed in an individuals responsibilities as well.
The people of Europe have allowed thewir freedom to be taken away, with out even a whimper.
That is Socialism, a creeping night mare. Europe no longer willing to died for freedom, therefore in the words (I believe of Martin Luther King) we will live as Slaves, well fed slaves it is true.
America look hard and long before you vote for the night mare that is Socialism.

Howard, Basildon, England

"Michelle Obama said: "This is the first time I have been REALLY proud of my country."

...MSNBC actually edited the word REALLY out of her speech when they broadcast it (how this is not illegal, I am not sure). "

Probably because 'really' is bit of a redundant word which adds little to the meaning of the sentence! If you edit it back in then we understand that on the other occasions she has just pretended to be proud? That's probably even worse!

andrew holden, oxford, uk

The United States has to step up its game and needs to catch up with the European economy. As a country the US needs to step up and start to care more about its people, about healthcare, about education, in order to clean up the terrible mess that this simply negligent Bush Administration has created. If we keep on going the way we are going, the US might find itself in another great depression, which is would ruin the great nation that has been growing for years. Bring in change in order to safe the country from itself! OBAMA 08!!!

A, Salford, UK

Rajesh: "To chose Hussein over Rhodam is not pride but disgrace."

What on earth has a person's middle name got to do with their suitability for office? That's as stupid as me saying your name being 'Rajesh' negates your suitability for commenting.

Andrew Ryan, London, UK

But maybe its time for Americans to distance themselves from what they consider to be 'mainstream' America. After all, think of how well American society has disenfranchised the poor, the black community, the mentally ill through 'trickle-down' capitalism which patently only advantaged the white and the wealthy. The Soviets made great use of this and of the American homeless in their propaganda and this no doubt emboldened the communists and helped their longevity no end- dare I say the same is true in Al Qaeda's jihad (Islamic extremist ideology and rhetoric aside, of course).

America needs a visionary president like Obama who is sufficiently enlightened and intelligent to realise this.

Time for change? You better believe it.

Darren P. , Greenhithe, Kent, U.K

Mr Baker takes up the neocon war call when he claims that many Americans wish that the US were more like France, as if it were the worst model of civilization imaginable.
And yet, millions of Americans visit France every year and hundreds of thousands of Brits and American live in this great country!
But living without affordable health insurance is no barrel of monkeys either!
And yet, no one in America wants the US to adopt the French govt and fiscal model: just because a band of mendacious neocons repeat this endlessly lie does NOT make it so!
As for Ms Obama's remarks, political spouses do not speak with the precision of a politician so why are you judging her husband by one single statement she made.
I am no supporter of Obama and distrust the polls and pundits, but I hate some of the demagoguery spouted so freely by reporters who use their podium to support their presidential choices.
Vive la France!
Paris, Franc

Val Dere, Victor, Paris, France

If you like things the way they are now vote republican and it will all keep moving in the current direction. It is that simple

dave nuss, morris, illinois

I am a 73 year old white woman and I understood immediately what Michelle Obama meant in her comments. American has a checkered history. Slavery was around not that long ago! The treatment of the native Indian is certainly not something to be proud of. Because you love your country, you have a duty to point out where things can be improved.

I love Michelle and I think she'll be a wonderful First Lady! And her husband Barack will make a fine president and the whole world will benefit.

Joan, NB, Canada

Last time I looked, pride was still one of the seven deadly sins. Having pride in our country is bred into us through evolution. Those societies that had pride in their country (or tribe, or family) were better at killing those who didn't, so the trait has survived and flourished. Wonder if that is why there is such a strong correlation between those with pride in their country and those who are happy to kill the rest of the world.
This type of pride, called nationalism, is what our leaders rely on to further their economic domination of the world. through the exploitation of the masses. Religion tells us to 'love our enemies', but why should we do something that hard when its so much easier to just follow our animal instincts?

Dan, Leesburg, VA

Was America ready for the dangerous Right-winger it has had for the last 8 years?

Tom Poynton, Bristol, England

Again Racism rearing it's ugly head. Is it simply that people are afraid that they will no longer be able to dominate and prosper strictly because of skin color? Or could it be that those racist that have viewed blacks as non existent and ignorant are forced to view them differently? Could it be that the arrogant have just been outplayed at there own capitalistic games and now they want to poke their lips out like spoiled, rotten, children? White supremacy has proven to be a farce and the bullies it once produced have proven to be cowards. Please, let's not forget the past and how this great country actually prospered over the years. It was through blood sweat and tears, but unfortunately a disproportionate number of minorities bore the brunt of the pain. And it is ironic that the same Gospel that America claimed to embrace (Christianity) is actually coming true. Isn't it ironic that here we are 2000 years after the cruxifiction of Christ and you have a black man at the helm. Hmmmm.

Tony Oh, Atlanta, U.S.A

Our country is in desperate need of a figure like Obama. It is he, who is calling on Americans to participate in the democratic process to collectively change the status quo towards a European-style democracy that the author discusses, through peaceful revolution, cooperation, and hope.

Our government under Republican and pseudo-Republican rule has failed the American people and brought anguish to many parts of the globe. People can't get health care here. People can't afford to attend university or even acquire technical education. Good paying jobs are difficult to come by, and many of us are struggling to live paycheck to paycheck under mountains of debt

Enough is enough. We're tired of the free trade neo-liberals and the neo-conservative warmongers. We're tired of unresponsiveness to public needs and global problems. The strength of the Obama campaign is demonstrating that America is ready to join the world as a mature, secular, cooperative, international, social democracy

Chris Karnes, Tacoma, USA, Washington

You must me a white man. I agree with Michelle. This country has deviated from its founding principles for so long that the national anthem has become a joke. If Obama can change that trend and bring about a return to justice and peace, I will again feel pride in America. Right now its an embarassment.

lsfarnum, Washington, DC, USA

Having come from a country that is on a firm path towards socialism (Venezuela), it troubles me greatly to hear some of the same rhetoric being spewed in the United States. Obama's far-left agenda of wealth redistribution, government interference in free markets, expansion of the welfare state, and socialized medicine go against everything America stands for, yet people seem to blindly flock to him because of his charisma and alleged promises of unity (yet he has the most Liberal voting record in the Senate). His supporters, which have reached a cult-like status, follow him mostly without any knowledge or concern for his policies, they merely want "hope" and "change". I have seen first hand what a movement like this can do to a nation and I warn Americans not to be fooled by this wolf in sheep's clothing.

Carlos Alvarez, Miami, FL

cmon obama for the good of america

paul, barcelona,

"Bertrand, Australia," "its national goals were dictated, not by the dreadful halfwits who inhabit godforsaken places like Kansas and Mississippi, but by the counsels of the United Nations". Is that bad?

What part of self government don't you understand?

Don D'Antony, Miami, USA, Florida

The question should be, is the US ready for the likes of Gerald Baker? Well, Mr Baker certainly seems like a eloquent chap, but we you cut through the verbiage (good use of the wordage by Baker), basically, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, it is a game of two half's John. And, last but not least, he is a black man, bill. So, in conclusion, man united 1 arsenal 2.

Niall, London, UK

Our country is in desperate need of a figure like Obama. It is he, who is calling on Americans to participate in the democratic process to collectively change the status quo towards a European-style democracy that the author discusses, through peaceful revolution, cooperation, and hope.

Our government under Republican and pseudo-Republican rule has failed the American people and brought anguish to many parts of the globe. People can't get health care here. People can't afford to attend university or even acquire technical education. Good paying jobs are difficult to come by, and many of us are struggling to live paycheck to paycheck under mountains of debt.

Enough is enough. We're tired of the free trade neo-liberals and the neo-conservative warmongers. We're tired of unresponsiveness to public needs and global problems.

The strength of the Obama campaign is demonstrating that America is ready to join the world as a mature, secular, cooperative, international, social democracy

Chris Karnes, Tacoma, USA, Washington

Gerry is right on the money about Mrs Obamas revealing comment. I could never vote for someone who has so much distaste for this country, who has never felt anything but shame while living her adult life here and whose paper from Princeton states from the outset that she feels like an outsider.

The Obama's are worshiped now but this messianic ascendancy will wear thin for a great deal of Americans who will finally see through this pie in the sky lefty.

Mark, CT, CT

When Barack Obama came to Kenya a few months ago, at the Univeristy of Nairobi auditorium, he was asked if he could ran for president by a Kenyan. I don't know what made that gentleman saw in him. Is it actually what the Amreicans are seeing. I can't rule out the ideas of Messianicship in him if that is the case. Then America is very lucky for that. If America decides that Obama is their Comm-In-Ch, then the whole world will respect their decision, even here in Africa.

James, Nairobi, Kenya

There is little point complaining about Obama and what he might do - having wasted most of this article your final paragraph says it all: The Republicans have effectively created him and buried themselves (and the US with it).

Within my lifetime America is going to be subservient to China, and unbelievably idiotic Republican policies have accelerated that trend rather than slowed it. Don't criticise Obama until he's started illegal wars, sanctioned state torture, bugged US citizens and ruined the US economy so that most US financial institutions are owned by the Chinese and Dubaians. Like Bush and most Americans (I assume you to be a US citizen) you were asleep on the job and the entire West is going to pay the price.

Tony, London,

I doubt Obama is as left-wing as the writer is suggesting, but you forget the little guy called George Bush. Probably the worst President to get 2 terms, made America the most unpopular nation in the world, ruined the economy and lost global respect for the USA. After having the most right-wing President in ages fail, maybe the American public wants more left-wing or socialist President. The USA has not had socialist President in a 50 years, which makes it very strange compared to other Western Countries. Obama is like Blair by being right of Centre.

Derek, New York, USA

I think Obamaâ€™s fundamental appeal, assisted by linguistic talent, is Jimmy Carter-like liberalism. Itâ€™s quite true the thousands of people who attend his town meetings crave change. The change they crave for is socialist, isolationist, and pacifist in nature, and the expectation of his followers is that he will fulfill that craving. His town meeting attendees are a tiny fraction of the US population, which is fundamentally conservative.

Some of the specific changes Obama supporters hope for, that Obama has already put on motion, or is likely to put in motion, are:

1. Send $845 Billion to the UN over a 13 year period, and more if there will be GDP growth. This is approximately $15,000 per family not including administrative expenses.
2. Let the Bush tax cuts expire.
3. Suspend taxation of 50 percent of the population at the $75 K income cut off, creating a permanent untaxed majority to near-majority voting class.
4. Place the burden of government funding increasingly on upper income folks and on corporations. Right now the US has the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. Obama will make the US easily number one. Obamaâ€™s corporate hostility stance will accelerate the movement of corporations off shore, further starving the US job market and slide to third world status.
5. Enact a fairness doctrine designed to choke free speech by right wing talk radio, killing a prime source of right wing opposition.
6. Expand entitlement programs starting with universal medical care. End excellence in US medical care, End or reduce incentive as a source of recruitment of doctors, nurses, and hospital expansion. End or reduce incentive for drug research and manufacture. Allow earmarks.
7. Establish a wide range of new controls on business with depressing to paralyzing effect.
8. Enact trade barriers.
9. Liberalize tort and encourage the growth of lawsuits, with attendant costs.
10. Unilaterally suspend the war on terror. Relax pressure on Arab states to suppress radical Islam. Suspend or relax US efforts to prevent nuclear proliferation in the Middle East and elsewhere.
11. Adopt European style disarmament. Reduce military expenditures and military preparedness.
12. Suspend efforts to control illegal immigration.
13. Encourage gay marriage and abortion. End government efforts to discourage smoking drugs.
14. Appoint Federal judges with world views that will supersede the Constitution.
15. Unilaterally embrace Kyoto. Will not insist that China and Russia accept Kyoto. Will exempt developing nations.
16. Not allow nuclear to play a role in energy independence. Deemphasize important energy source expansion, including coastal drilling and oil and coal processing, and emphasize dependence on energy saving measures.

Rod, Santa Rosa, USA/CA

If Obama or Hillary become our president it won't be God Bless America anymore it will be God Help America. I don't want the "Nanny" state, I don't believe the government can run my life any better than I can myself. I am a capitalist and like lower taxes, the left like neither. I dread the thought of either becoming our president and I fear they will be very detrimental to our security. I am an British ex-pat, I have lived here for 34 years and love this country.

Diana Matthews, Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA

Reading G. Baker's take on Obama reads like a snatch from the Republican party's playbook: Every accusation is short on real facts and long on the standard GOP interpretation that all Democrats are just too leftwing and unpatriotic.

Mr. Baker basically says nothing about the fact that what makes Obama attractive is that the Republican agenda has been a total bust: war, declining economy, the sheer fearmongering and lawlessnes of the Bush admininstration, the most cynical and corrosive form of politics. The staggering incompetence and corruption...

So corrosive is American politics that it is now called the "Freak Show" by some journalists who take their cues from internet gossips like Matt Drudge. And let's not forget the phony Christian fundamentalism preached by GW Bush.

Obama may well be overselling reconciliation and may have trouble delivering his agenda if elected. But most Americans are tired of the GOP's so-called conservative agenda. They want something new: Obama!

Norman Kelley, Washington, DC, USA

One can only hope ...

"its national goals were dictated, not by the dreadful halfwits who inhabit godforsaken places like Kansas and Mississippi, but by the counsels of the United Nations". Is that bad?

I had a dream of the U.S.A becoming the beacon of the free world.
I had a dream of the U.S.A engaging in solid and constructive actions within the UN framework.
I had a dream of the U.S.A respecting their international engagement: Geneva contention (preventing torture of enemy combatants), UNFCCC and Rio treaty (and its subsequent addition the Kyoto protocol) ....

I had this dream and I guess a few other worldwide had it as well. Will it come true with B. Obama? I wouldn't bet on any of the other likely candidate to do it!

Bertrand, Australia,

Mr. Wragg...it is now that our United States is suffering a great disrespect from other nations...and with that...we've earned it! I couldn't agree more with you Mr. Wragg, our overt imperialism over the past 7+ years is a shame and I concur with Ms. Obama about the lack of pride amongst some of us in this country. We have such an ability to do good and I pray for that.

Barry Bailey, Morro Bay, CA, USA

I find the maligning of the so called wealthy a profound and recurring theme in the rhetoric of Senantor Obama. I find it a sadly small viewpoint to characterize the fruit of the labors of hardworking people and companies as something that is bad and that the answer is to 'allocate' their profits towards paying for nationalized healthcare or other social programs. I work hard to earn my living. I have gratitude for the opportunities life has presented. It is deeply troubling to me to hear that because of my hard work I am being painted as immoral.

Jarom Homer, Gilbert, Arizona

Michelle Obama's comment resonated with the great progressive movements of American history -- the anti-slavery movement, the child welfare movement, the women's rights movement, the universal education movement, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, the universal healthcare movement.

America, America,
God Mend Thy Every Flaw,
Confirm Thy Soul in Self Control,
Thy Liberty in Law!

Bob Mann, Oneida, USA / New York

Those that claim GWB is a "mental midget" forget that he got his undergraduate degree from Yale and a Harvard MBA. You can't do that being stupid. The fact of the matter is that you just don't like what he has done because he doesn't care what the polls say (unlike the Clintons), he does what is right. Not everything George has done has been right but he has been much better than either Al Gore the bore or John Kerry would have been.

Obama is the most liberal Senator in the Senate and will be the same if he is President. The reason he does not include a lot of details in his speeches is because he would scare the ones that are enamored with him. God help us if he is in control. It will be a second coming of Jimmy Carter and his massively failed policies.

E Jorgan, Spotsylvania, VA

We are headed for disaster? Like we havenâ€™t been in disaster already? One life lost for unconstitutional reasons is one life too many. But only a patriot would recognize that.

john, Cicero, Illinois

I wish I could get my 5 minutes back looking at this article. What a waste of time. You know what: I finally feel proud of my country when I have not for 8 years. Disregarding the fact that you took her comment out of context, the fact that you call Obama dangerous is never explained adequately.

Furthermore, the thought expressed by a reader that persons act by "guilt" is disgraceful. That suggests that I MUST vote for HC because I am a hardcore feminist. Please.

CC, Dallas, USA/Texas

When you are walking on eggs, don't jump.
I suspect with Northern Rock, impending housing bubble bursting and flight of capital from the City that you have much more to be concerned with than the comments of a politically unsophisticated, but none the less earnest spouse.
If you insist though, throw your stones and expedite the shattering of the myth of British ascendancy in finance.

Paul Walker, Memphis, Tennessee

I must first address your willful distortion of Mrs. Obama's words.

She said, "This is the first time I have been REALLY proud of my country."

There was, however, a specific scope to her words. She was referring to the unbelievable participation and voter turnout that we have seen so far in this election cycle.

You are not to be wholly blamed given that MSNBC actually edited the word REALLY out of her speech when they broadcast it (how this is not illegal, I am not sure).

As Senator Obama said in the debate last night, this is apparently "silly season" in politics.

Ian Christie, New York, New York

Thank you for your insightful explanation of Michelle Obama's statement that this is the first time in her adult life she has been proud of America. I am middle aged and did not understand this at all. I was raised to feel proud of my country especially after my father's service in WWII. I thought every American felt pride in the US - sometimes we may disagree with our country - but we are proud of America and Americans. Michelle Obama's statement was troubling. It left me cold.

Susan , Walker, MO

a dangerous leftwinger after an equally dangerous rightwinger - it shows that traditional politics don't produce the goods, the voter should reclaim control of politics and get a say in all political decisions - see www.dirdem.org

Heinz Geyer, London,

Gerard Baker should be ashamed of himself. He is mis quoting Mrs Obama. She said: this is the first time I have felt really proud of my country.
Note that phrase does not preclude previous pride in her country.

Keith Martin, Dubai, UAE

I've always been suspicious of leftists. The most outspoken ones tend to be more privileged than average, yet they seem to feel sorry for themselves because they're not as well off as the top 1%. Mrs. Obama should have always felt proud to be American. Does she think she could have risen as much as she has in any other country? She is rather self-absorbed, I think.

Carol Lazarus, New York, USA

Nobody likes change, even when it is full of great potential and promises to be refreshing, and Mr Baker here simply illustrates that.

Mia, London,

Why should Americans be proud of the Berlin Wall coming down? Wasn't it the internal decay of East Germany coupled with a sympathetic population on the west side of the wall that finally brought it down? This theory seemed to have materialized out of thin air after Michelle Obama spoke her mind.

Michael, Santa Monica, Ca.

If his rhetoric is so terrible, why do you spend less than half your article talking about it?

Joe, brussels, belgium

I congratulate you on managing to hit on every republican talking point. Obama is hardly a European style politico. That award would go to Kucinich and where is he now? I hate to be the bearer of bad news but we Americans are still capitalists to our core and if you bothered to scratch the surface I am sure you will find this Chicago politician is as tied into the system as any of his colleagues.

Also your piece is very misleading about Ms Obamaâ€™s comment. It was in reference to voter apathy. Nice try, but for that mud to land you have to have a very naive audience.

Annabel, New York, NY

Perhaps it difficult for others to understand; this is the ultimate experiment over here in America. We expect quite a bit out of our country (landing on the moon, freedom of thought, superpower, internet, etc.) Now we have a new generation of Americans who may possess a different type of energy; idealism which is not embedded in arrogance and competency married to daring. There's something happening here and you don't know what it is....do you Mr Baker

Joseph Chatmon, Rochester, USA New York

Wow, Am I The Only Person In America Who Saw This As A Racist
Comment By Her?? Or Am I The Only Person Willing To Be Politically INCORRECT??

Jena, Parkersburg, WV

Thank you, Gerard.

I will not vote for Michelle.

Dan'l, Portland, US/Maine

JUST AN FYI...Karl Rove has started to set his sights on Barry O just as it is becoming apparent that the left is performing a "late term abortion" on their previous "Clinton obsession". If I were in the Obama camp, I would be pretty nervous about what Rove will come up with. You all know he will...

Carl, New York,

Mr Baker, by asking the question you clearly are part of the problem.

John , Farnham, Surrey

Are you people serious? If Obama et al. are socialists, that puts FDR and Lyndon Johnson somewhere on the Trotskyist fringe -- typically ill-informed and alarmist right-wing tosh.

David, Edinburgh,

The real danger comes not from being having a left wing president but from having a group of people who think they have a right to rule. Left wing or right wing doesn't matter, if people get the idea that they have some sort of right to rule over people then it always ends in disaster.

A pattern has been set where the Presidency is handed around an "in" group, and they have started to feel that the office is theirs by right, this is the real danger.

The very fact that Obama is breaking the pattern and making the Washingtonian group realise that the Presidency is not something that "belongs" to their group and they can hand it on to wives, sons, daughters, friends, and other hangers on, is a good thing.

John Small, Faversham, UK

I'm glad to know that other countries have their version of Rush Limbaugh too. I'd love to know how a guy who is "espousing policies and striking a rhetorical pose that was well out of the mainstream of American politics" managed to collect more votes than the entire Republican field in Kansas. I guess we're just another bunch of left wing nuts out here on the plains.

Kyle, Wichita, Kansas

Mr Baker, with this article you have clearly underestimated the intelligence of all your readers, including those for and against Obama.

Antonio Sanchez, London, UK

Before you get too engulfed in a left wing idyll, don't write off Senator McCain. He may be a frightening possibility but he is nonetheless a possibility

leila , manchester, uk

Michelle Obama is totally correct and, God-willing, Barack Obama will be a smashing success as American President

Gbenga , Dallas, Texas/USA

I have to say I am always worried by 'messianic' fervour for politicians. Expectations are far too great and the fall-out can be nasty. We need only look at what happened to Tony Blair - people expected too much of a 'New Labour' government and we're still dealing with the disappointment instead of actually getting on and sorting out the endemic problems in the UK.

I worry particularly when this sort of messianic fervour is leading to the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world. The last time America was this excited about a politician they voted in the unknown John Kennedy, who promptly brought the world to the edge of global war through lack of experience. Luckily the media was much slower then, and more co-operative and disaster was averted. We do not have the luxury of allowing Obama to 'settle in' to the job in this day and age.

I am an American living in the UK. I am a Democrat.

Jeremy Trevathan, London, UK

Mr Baker, You appear to believe that politicians tell the truth during election (or nomination) campaigns.
In my experience politicians say things which appeal to their current audience. In the Pacific NW the emphasis will be quite different from the deep south. The policies spouted will be appropriate to the situation at that time in that place. In this place itâ€™s job security in another itâ€™s border issues and the next itâ€™s pollution or defence spending or farm subsidies. They are looking for votes not espousing an election manifesto.

Experience in government, or the lack of it, is less relevant than the ability to lead, to provide hope, to be respected on the domestic and international stage, to change the direction in which America and the Military Industrial Complex has been heading under GW. Jack Kennedy was no great politician but what a leader!

But if you need a convincing reason to support Obama just look at the alternative.

R Bingham, Lauzun, France

America to become more like France. A terrifying vision. I see the Four Horsemen descending in clouds of gloom...

Let us see on, say, health care reform, here Senator Obama immediately flunks the 'dangerously left wing French label' as he does not appear to propose a health care system with universal access...Thus, well to the right of that scary Marxist, President Sarkozy...

Arthur Pendragon, Moscow, Russia

the number of americans who want their country to be more like france is statistically insignificant. the u.s. is as likely to move towards the french model as we are. ie - so ridiculously unlikely as to make it not worth mentioning. to suggest that obama is "dangerously" left wing is fanciful.

as regards national pride, I tend to agree that this is an outdated concept (if it ever made any sense) - we should be thinking on a global level. and any country will have a history littered with acts of which it should be proud and ashamed.

however, for michelle obama to suggest that she has not previously been proud of her country, but now is, suggests that she is looking at things from a very narrow perspective. and that can't be good.

jem, london, uk

Obama also takes a world view, as we all should. Time for change, there is much in the World that needs fixing, and it won't happen without American support. Many fixed interest groups will decry this, maybe even try to assassinate him. That should tell you a lot........

Chris, London, UK

It makes a refreshing change from, lying, self serving, flag waving, war loving, (one sided), right wing neo-cons

joe reilly, spalding, England

Under Obama's leadership we will witness the downfall and destruction of the United States of America.
Laugh now.....cry later.
Wait and see.

Thozman, Cleveland, USA/Ohio

For Gods sake someone in Europe get me out of this God forsaken hole called the USA....
I will pay well for an apartment (flat) anywhere in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. Doesn't matter, just get me and my wife and dog outta here please!!!!!!

Thozman, Cleveland, USA/Ohio

Blair arrived with a messianic vision.

Geoff, Lutry, Switzerland

Despite his pretensions of appearing objective Mr. Baker under his skin is clearly disappointed that his earlier explanations for Mr.Obama's victory have not rhymed with his readers. In an earlier article he attributed Obama's victory to the Afro-American vote overlooking the fact that Obama offers America the oppoprtunity (not available for a long time) of reestablishing itself as a true and respected leader in world politics as well as the opportunity of a safe and harmonious domestic life. As has been demonstrated over the last 11 primaries his appeal is across all sections of American society and not just to the likes of Jesse Jackson and Teddy Kennedy! There is no shame in being wrong but when a senior journalist abandons and distorts events in order to shield his opinions there is loss of credibility.
Incidentally,Mrs. Obamna may have said what she did in the heat of the battle but truth to tell America does have a great deal to be ashamed about.

LAKSHMAN PARDHANANI, goa, India

It never hurts to get the facts right. Michelle Obama said that it was the first time she was "REALLY" proud of her country. Her quote has been intentionally manipulated on taped interviews to take the adverb out. Altho she at one point made the statement without the qualifier, she later on the same day -- before folks who'd lost their wing nut came out of the woodwork -- repeated her statement with the significantly different tilt given it by the adverb. Why is it necessary to infer that she is some kind of monster because she didn't parse the first phrasing in a manner that appeases all.

And I'll tell you, as an American citizen 60 years old, I am not the least bit proud of the mental midget we presently have in the oval office, or of Abu Graib, or Gitmo, or warrantless spying, or WMD lies, or plenty of other right wing idiocy. If that makes me "dangerous" I'm proud of that. If Michelle Obama is now really proud of her country, that's grand. I don't care who chokes on it.

William DePaulo, Charleston, WV

Wake up America. Don't toy with this Marxist Socialism nonsense. It's crippling Europe and just about to cripple Australia to (they got elected by the unsuspecting Aussies in November). Socialism wherever it rears its ugly head, is a disease that should be eradicated. Be warned.

stevgillamos, Romford, UK

This author should put a sock in it and let history be. For the last 7 years, Americans have been under siege and that siege will be finally over, thank GOD.

Chris, Los Angeles, CA

A war based on lies, torture, prison without habeas corpus, a wrecked economy, erosion of privacy in the name of secuirty, a neglected national infrastructure, a destabilization of the world and botched homeland security, a lining of the pockets of big money - only those smoking the pipe dream of tribalism, or without a moral bone in the body, could be anything except ashamed of the United States right now. Our founding fathers would be, not the least of which is Bush's centralization of power in the executive branch. Listen to Ron Paul for a Republican who feels the same way - a true conservative he is, even if I disagree with many of his positions. Obama presents a very different approach to governing, that is the simple reason why so many have flocked to him. Sure, he's a lefty, but like Paul, a principled politician. Most of the Republican party has lost its soul to gain the world.

Independent American, New York, NY

there is no misunderstanding. the left hates the good ol usa. any attempts to minimize this are futile.

real deal, plymouth , indiana usa

Too much pride and belief in white American destiny along with accompanying greed destroyed the entire world of the Native Americans "from sea to shining sea", from Hawaii to Alaska, and was catastrophic to Africans, Mexicans, Chinese, etc. etc.
America's greatness has in the past and can now only come from those possessing respect and compassion for all people and yet with resolve and strength for self defense, or in the defense of those persecuted. Our strength is too often used to maintain and further our "interests" and our designs. More appropriately, the interests and designs of the wealthy and the super-wealthy.

jesse, Sturgeon, USA PA

Re: Mr. Steenbergen's reply: What else do we have to go on but Mr. Obama's words? How does taking at his word add up to "a profound lack of understanding". Are we not to believe Mr. Obama's words? Is he really an establishment type who is conning us with his lyrical soundings? Americans, who spend more time watching television than the citizens of any country, are vulnerable to good looks and catch-phrases. If the electorate were only allowed to read what the candidates say they might actually arrive at a different conclusion. That said, the populace here seems ready for the easy answer of a government check.

Bob, New York City, New York/ USA

Give the guy a chance!
Just because 90% of black presidents and leaders world-wide are driving their countries into the ground does not mean BO will.
With his roots in Africa he is sensitive and attuned to people's needs just like the Masai and Kikuyu.
He'll bring just what the USA needs - UHURU!!!!!.

Dennis, Johannesburg, South Africa

She does not say "really", just "am proud"... I just watched the footage of the words coming directly from her mouth. The "really" was added by the MSM, not the other way around.

Bobby, New York, NY

I find it ironic that a newspaper crying for change in the UK government (from Labour to Conservative) should be instilling fear of the unknown when it comes to change for the US government (from Republican to Democrat).

John Walker, Southampton, UK

Obama = Dangerous?
To me he seems like the only one running who could improve America's image through the world by showing some respect for other countries. There is an air of understanding of foreign policies that you feel with Obama, a lot more than anyone else in the disturbingly insular world of US politics.

David Wragg, Aberdeen, UK

My views are exactly like your description of Obama's. So he sounds like the perfect candidate to me. After seeing Michael Moore's Sicko living like the French seems pretty good to me.

Gary, Denver, CO, US

"Is America ready to embrace a European-style Left?"

Absolutely â€“ and if by some chance not in this election, then surely the next. America's demographic changes are constant and relentless, and this spells imminent political doom for the right wing. If the Republican party wishes to remain viable on a national scale, it will sooner or later have to jettison its conservative base and reshape itself to offer a leftist alternative to the Democrats. Like it or hate it, the American right is a dinosaur. It's just a matter of time and numbers.

Cassandra, Northern Alabama, USA,

Surely, Mr. Obama's policies can be situated to the (center) left of the American political spectrum. But to conclude from this, and from his of his wife's stump talk, that he is a European style leftist (or even stronger: a French leftie) is a bit overblown.

His proposals on health care for example are in no way comparable to Europe's mandatory public health systems. This mandatory nature is received wisdom with even the most centrist of European social democrats.

To be frank, Mr. Baker reaches his conclusions by looking at Mr. Obama's rethoric only. By doing so he makes the very mistake Mr. Obama is (wrongly) accused of: focusing only on talk, and not on beef. By doing so, he displays a profound lack of understanding of both Mr. Obama, as well as European social democracy.

Alex Van Steenbergen, Antwerpen, BelgiuÃ¹

Gee, does this author know something about America that I don't? Does he know what it's like to live without health insurance while the federal government spends billions of dollars blowing things up and killing civilians in foreign lands? Does he know what it's like to see the divide between the rich and poor grow wider every day, while corporations reap the profits and ordinary citizens are subject to wiretap? Does he think, perhaps, that torture is cool?

Mr. Baker, you don't know the first thing about American politics. I'm voting for Obama because, even if he doesn't follow through, he's the only person promising positive change for America.

Monica, TUCSON, AZ, USA

As a woman, I have pulled myself out of poverty, paid for my college education, worked long hours to build a business, and fought gender and economic discrimination. I find it difficult to understand how Michelle Obama, who had (and has) a much more privileged life than I, can make such an statement. Unlike Obama, I have always been proud to be an American. To later attempt to backtrack and save face is unconscionable. The Obamas clearly have messiah complexes.

What is further disturbing is how many conservatives are making excuses for the Obamas and are so obsessed by the Clintons.

There is a problem here. Americans-conservatives, moderates and liberals-need to really understand what Obama stands. Once he is in the White House, it's going to be a long and rough 4-8 years, especially with a husband and wife that believe that are the choice ones.

Jean, redlands , ca usa

Poor Americans are only able to afford 40" flat screens instead of 52" ones. People on my street are sharing soup bones . Please, America's poor are not on the same level as the rest of the world. Obama wants Main Street to catch up to Wall Street. What about Hollywood and Vine? Those streets are never mentioned when talking about excesses. We are so proud when movies make money and stars can show off their wealth. Watch the name dropping of designers at the Oscars. They aren't snubbing the poor? But, not the heads of corporations that take risks and are compensated. Should we take more from Bill Gates? His foundations seem to be more cost concsious than if the government had the money.
People that make more than $60,000 and do not have healthcare, do not want healthcare. If I have to start paying their bills and mine than I want a say in their other expenses. People should show proof of healthcare insurance before buying a cell phone, cable TV, tatoos and luxuries.

Sandy, Richmond, Texas

Gerald Baker has Obama pegged pretty well, a Euro Socialist. Mega Welfare-State Socialism might be OK for Europe as it slides into total decadence and irrelevance, but the strength of the US's military and mildly assertive foreign policy provides the backbone to give form to the pacifist jellyfish of Europe. If America goes down the lotus-eater road to disarmament and multi-culti negotiations with bloodthirsty monsters Europe (with many neighbors who fit that description, and many alienated residents who sympathize with them) will be an easy target. Its just one of the many disasters that lurk in an Obama administration.

Skep41, Woodland Hills, California, USA

As we say in Texas, Obama is all hat and no cattle. The problem here is not that Hillary is the Senator from New York born in Illinois but rather that Obama is the Senator from Illinois born in a manger.

The level of Obamassiah worship is scary. This house of cards will not sustain itself. Obama has built his career in the Senate not by being a uniter but by pandering to the radical left wing of the Democratic party. He has the single most radicalized voting record in the US Senate. It may play well in the Democratic primaries, but there will be a huge backlash during the run up to the November election, when the narrow constituencies that make up the Obamania lose the independents to McCain, because McCain represents the center and has a 25 year record to prove it, while all Obama can do is give speeches about Hope, while America looks at his 4 years of leftism in the Senate.

Andy, Waco, Texas

Hey Glenn from Seattle,

If you want European policies move to Europe.

Kabooke,
What does racism have to do with this article? I read it and see nothing about Americans being racist.

Judi, Quincy, FL USA

I've been watching the political circus in the US with great interest and also, from a great distance. As a curious outsider and recognising it is always difficult to assess the true feelings of a nation from possibly biased news reports - I find myself watching Obama's apparent rise with a sense of unease...I perceive from what is reported that the US is at a time when it wants change and because of that, from this distance, to be placing him in a messianic position with huge expectations of him and his possible capabilities... Therein lies the rub and what caused the bells to ring... that's exactly how Tony Blair was when he came to power in Britain... all new, all messianic, all talk, all exaulted, all vaunted... ..all unsubstancial, all unsustainable...all waffle... all ineffectial.. all destroying....... these are interesting times...waiting to see how things develop ....

Jacq M, Australia,

Thomas Jefferson said>>>>>>A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from great courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage............ I ask you all where are we heading with the leftest agenda?

william Oliver, Houston, TX

Your article is dead on, yet I have to disagree with your hesitation. I think the people have already decided they are ready for a completely different style of government. He doesn't want to make a welfare nation, but he wants to create a level playing field so there will be more than 2 social classes. People can only care about those who don't have a chance if they realize they don't. We have been blindfolded.

Zach Proctor, Little Rock, AR

The real slander of Obama's candiacy is that the Bush Administration somehow represents "Washington as usual," and we need Obama to restore "idealism" to politics. The Bush administration is a criminal government and whatever you think of US governance as a rule -- W and his cronies are an ilicit aberration from very basic norms that BEFORE his administration had comprised 'Washington as usual' (for example - the idea that we should actually, HAVE diplomacy, and talk to other nations. Bush presented this as 'having to ask permission to defend ourselves'. Like using talks to resolve secruity issues was some kind of radical idea).

To the extent that Obama actually discusses 'change' -- he is describing a typical Washington government prior to Chency and Co. ransacking the executive branch.

THAT's the slander of the Obama's: the status-quo circa-1997 as "idealism."

The American electorate should stop countenancing so much intellecual dishonesty.

Liza
Minneapolis, MN

LIza, Minneapolis, MN, USA

I haven't been realy proud since we invaded Irag, but that just my opinion.

Go Obama

Buckeye Scott, Columbus, Ohio

Obama and Hillary are not just liberals they are Socialists! Socialism has failed wherever it has been tried. The Pilgrims even tried Socialism the first year in the New World. It failed and they were smart enough to switch to Capitalism! What makes people think Hillary and Obama are smart enough to make Socialism work? I hope and pray that America is not ready to embrace European Style Socialism! It would be our downfall! They woud turn the USA into the USSA, Union of Socialist States of America. Remember the USSR? America was built on Indiviualism, not Government handing everything to us from Cradle to Grave! An Obama ad talks about CEO's making more in 10 minutes than the average worker makes in
10 hours (or something like that). Like that is something new?
The CEO's have always made more than the little guy. Hillary talks about strugling to pay bills. Just when that has not been the norm for most middle class people. Equal Pay for eeveryone and no bills? Yeah Right!

Dennis McCarthy., Cincinnati , Ohio, USA

America may not like what I have to say but too many kids are seeking a false high, thats what gives Obama his Momentum . I personally have fought the drug culture all my life its tearing up our society . Obama sounds like all the the young people I have known they get high then talk about how they are going to change the world. I 'd really don't think Obama would pass a random drug test .Obama is all fluff .Hillary has shown she has right stuff to go on fighting for the next generation The youth should be shouting OMaMa OMaMA after all the Republicans just want to make a business out of building private prisons or send our youth off to War for 100 years in the name of Liberty .American youth wake up Obama only offers you Hype not Hope. Hillary does more the recite child nursery rhymes OBama's Yes I can I know I can sounds like "The Little Train That Could "to me I think thats why we think its so great I'm sure we all were read that book in the 1st grade. I'm amazed how Naive America

Juline Matlow, Tallahassee, Florida

Um, why would I be proud of a nation that shot down a military satellite that didn't work to begin with and just creates more distrust and angst in the world community. The protectionist strategies and overt distortion of basic human and spiritual principles of the past administration has been terrible for the US reputation and has caused much harm.
I'm not taken in by Obamas rhetoric. He may succeed in the presidency. Hillary may also. But the Bush administration has brought this on themselves.

Anthony, Boulder, CO

"bigger federal government, a bigger welfare state"
-Brittney

Bush? all things conservative? LOL.

B O, Little Rock, AR

You ask, ..."are americans really ready to leap across all at one go.....?"

There is an old proverb that says you cannot jump a canyon in more than one step.

It seems to me that corporations, private buisness, indivual home ownership, and the like are alive and well in "old" europe despite all those evil requirements to treat every one to decent education, retirement and health care.

Kirk Shultz, west linn,

Linda's comment: "Whether one agrees with the politics of either is absolutely irrelevant. What matters here is that for the first time, we are likely to be led as a country by someone who isn't a middle-aged white male".

I totally agree. To h*** with a person's qualifications, convictions, and positions on issues of critical importance to the nation; the color of their skin or gender is way more significant than than the content of their ideas or character!

Justin Rodes, Bakersfield, CA

I agree, Mr. Baker, Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He's a smooth talker with a liberal agenda. If Americans would just step back for a minute and take a bipartisan look at what the Democratic and Republican parties are pushing in their agendas, I think they'd be shocked at what they see. The Democrats should rename their party the Socialist party, b/c that's really what they are. They want to subtly turn our democracy into a socialist state.....national healthcare, bigger federal government, a bigger welfare state, tolerance for all things liberal and intolerance for Christianity and all things conservative. I'm not saying the Republican party is perfect, b/c I don't agree with everything on their agenda either. Bottom line, the majority of our politicians have forgotten that they are elected to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE who put them there, NOT the party!

Brittney, Thompsons Station, Tennessee, USA

Yes, wonderful, the first Gulf War. War crimes after war crimes. Certainly something to be proud of.
Oh, and there were other countries there to take some blame too.

Tim, Toronto,

I keep hearing people saying that Obama is "bringing us Hope!" You don't get hope from a politician, it comes from yourself. It your life is so pathetic that you need a politician to feel good about yourself... I would suggest therapy. Maybe Saint Obama can go back in time and bring back Saddam Hussein. What that make all you lefties happy? Would that bring you more hope?

Kevin, New Brunswick, NJ, USA

Gerard,
The examples you use for feeling proud of your country are mediocre at best. Surely feeling pride in an almost siesmic event (an Obama nomination) is a more natural reaction than if a country has won a war, keeping in mind that it was the most powerful country in the world vs. a third world country. Thats like feeling proud of your league leading football team when they beat the stragglers.

The Berlin Wall fell after the indigenous people rose up. There are and have been many other countries where similar events can happen but it suits America to keep the status quo. Hardly a reason for pride.

9/11 was a time for grief and coming together for America. How this example can be used in this particular context is beyond me . Should one be proud that the the event took place or that America struck out blindly and took away peoples liberties and continues to deny basic human rights ?

Taylor, J, Las Vegas,

I am a 52 yr old white female (altho race and age aren't supposed to matter in good old America), and like countless others I have felt disgust, horror and disbelief ,not in American people and opportunity, but in the BUSH administration, Clinton administration, and the inept, hypocritical statements made by the so called current President - where were all of you right winged facists when Bush said he "wished he was a Dictator cause it would be a hell of a lot easier? " I am ashamed to be a WHITE, let alone WHITEandRIGHT...because of BUSH, CHENEY and other fellow should be inmates. They have committed atrocities against this countryand innocent people of the middle east that are unforgivable even by our Creator. Hurray Michelle Obama for pointing out what most of us feel - if you haven't noticed (Baraks rallys?") You right winged morons are comparable to the "Emperor Who Wears No Clothes)! And Guess what, you're ALL going down come election day, WHY? Will of the People!

Deborah, Seattle, WA

Jimmy Carter is a great man. Obama should be so lucky to stand in his shadow for one second.

McGee, san antonio, Tx

I agree with the author that Mrs. Obama speaks for the Liberals in our country. They are in love with Socialism and hate the fact the USA is a world power. Having lived in California and now Colorado, I constantly hear Liberal diatribes about how unjust and awful our country is. It sickens me. I just hope we will be able to survive an Obama Presidency. My only hope is after he and the other Liberals that will be running the country totally screw things up for four to eight years, maybe we will be able to get a true conservative back in the White House.

Mike Perlick, Loveland, CO

It is interesting that Gerard Baker would want to paint Obama a dangerous left-winger... blowing up one comment from Michelle without hearing her reasons in full ... and drawing up a half-patched series of arguments to make a case for his assessment that OBAMA = dangerous left-wing nostrum that would be lunacy. Unconvincing, because even while Obama espouses proposals that could be considered left-wing by conservative right-wingers, he can't be pigeon-holed into the typical European-style Left... his efforts at building cross-partisan coalitions prove that. Obama is not the savior of America - but a leader whose biography, policy stances, judgment and global outlook make him a bridge builder who could reinvigorate America's standing in the world and help reshape America's self-identity, marred by years of American arrogance and ineptness at reading the signs of the times. Calling him a dangerous left-wing lunatic - indicates Baker's captivity to old-fashioned paradigms.

Jean-Luc, Mexico City, Mexico

Personally, I'm not proud of this country either. America has been a nuisance and an embarassment to the world under the control of the Bush administration. I'm more offended by those who pretend like this country has a clean record and all is well.

Jeff, Sacramento / Ca, USA

The view that beliefs are irrelevant, and all that matters is that one candidate is a woman and one is a black is a racist view to the extreme. For the first time in a long time I am REALLY not proud of my country. Wake up, people. Pay at least SOME attention to what each candidate believes and wants to do. As a conservative, I do not care one whit what the sex, race, or any other descriptor of a candidate is. I care if they are rational, intelligent, and effective.

anne allen, Washington, DC

I think the author hit the nail on the head. While it is important that the best person (regardless of race or sex) lead this country, are we willing to make that choice just for the sake of doing something different? I think this country is ready for something different, but shouldn't we care how different? Be careful what you wish for...you might get it. The trouble is, you won't be able to take it back. The only thing that lets me sleep at night is knowing that we have checks and balances that will save us in the end. Let the pendulum swing..but don't be standing in the way when it swings back at you. May God Bless America.

Steve, Fort Worth, USA/Texas

If Michelle Obama is so ashamed, up to now, to be an American, she might better find another country to her liking.

Nat Atkins, Mechanicsville, VA

The above text is not about what Mrs Obama said but more about whether or not America is ready to be ruled by such a populist as Mr Obama. Mr and Mrs Obama can say as many bad things about Bush administration as they want to. But, I think that privately both of them are quite happy with the state of American politics in the last eight years or so, as this created a chance for such left-wingers as Mr Obama. The question stated in the above text is really interesting: would America profit from having as a president someone whose talks are more similar to these given by Fidel Castro than to those given by a down-to-earth politician?

Pawel , Dynow, Poland

this article expresses,rather eloquently, what most of the conservatives believe. It seems to me, that it is a crying shame that must come from outside the U.S. The people who support Obama that I have talked with personally have, to a person, been blind to the messages sent out. The lunacy of dropping Iraq like a hot potatoe is only one. The Democratic ideal of tax and spend is hard at work here. I do not think the repulicans have done a good job either. It may be time to vote for N O T A. (non of the above.

Tony F, Winder, Georgia USA

<i>He did not put his hand on his heart during the Anthem, which is what most non-military citizens do. This has been construed into him not saying the pledge.</i>

Actually, the military salutes during the anthem -- and most non-miltary citizens do put their hand over their heart -- or should as it is the proper form per the US rules on how to act when the anthem is played. Politicians who have been honored to be able to represent their fellow citizens, should not only know these rules but take pride in honoring them.

Obama's arrogant liberal elitism shined through clearly when he failed to do this simple symbolic act -- and his wife's comment revealing she had no pride in her own country until now just underscored the blame America first mindset of the the American Left.

Bowa, Philadelphia, PA, USA

I am a 58 yr. old white male. I have live in a state known for racism since it was admitted to the Union in 1819. My family came to America in 1635 from Wales and fought against the King in the Revolution. After my family moved south to Georgia from Pennsylvania, my great great grandfather and 2 brothers fought under Stonewall Jackson in the Army of Northern Virgina. One died on Little Round Top at Gettysburg. Another fought every major campaign from Fort Sumpter to the end, and stacked a rifle at Appomatox when Lee surrendered. Some of my forefathers owned slaves. Others died in WWII in Europe, and one was captured by the Nazis. Some resisted integration of the south. I am proud to be an American for many reasons. But the greatest pride I have had in my life is the campaign of Obama and the diverse people who support him. I VOTED FOR OBAMA and I am VOTING FOR OBAMA in November. Bush and the RIght Wing have severely damaged our country. Let the UK fight the Iraqi War.

Jim, Mobile, Alabama USA

I am a 65 year old white woman from California and I agree with Michelle Obama. This is the first time in a long time that I have been really proud of the US and the word "really" does need to be emphasized. Our Democratic nominee for President will either be a white woman or an African-American man. Whether one agrees with the politics of either is absolutely irrelevant. What matters here is that for the first time, we are likely to be led as a country by someone who isn't a middle-aged white male. Given the tremendous political diversity in this country- a diversity that during the Bush years has been demonstrated by a level of divisiveness that truly sickens the millions of us who have voted for Obama in the primary elections, that these two candidates have emerged from the Democratic field of choices as the winners is a fact that anyone, no matter what their political leanings, should be proud of.

Linda Wasserman, La Jolla, California

People are confused about how many times Mrs. Obama made the statement regarding her lack of pride.

On the first occasion she did NOT use the qualifier "really". On the second telling she did use the word really.

It was a prepared speech, not something she said off the cuff.

Mike Sorensen, Las Vegas, USA

What Michelle Obama said was just a mistake. Given an honest second thought she would have revised here wording. Sometimes candidates and their families say things on the campaign trail because it just rolled off their mouth. She was probably just a victim of trying to say something more compelling to rev-up an audience.
I live on the east cost in a metro area. While I agree our history is spotted with racism, most white Americans less than 45 yo aren't racist like prior generations. I travel extensively around our great country. Thankfully most of us accept people on the basis of MLK 's message. Mr Baker, like many writers, can't seem to look at our country outside of the context of pre-1960. Fact is many of our racist have passed on. In the USA, Generation X and Y grew up with different rules, principles and perspectives to look at skin color differently and more positively than our prior generations.

So in this guys twisted noodle everyone under 45 is a racist against black poeple

Kabooke, pittsburgh, pa

No piece I've yet read has made a better case for why we need Obama

Glenn Kelman, Seattle, WAA

One of the prime examples of the many problems with American politics is that although I live in America, which is in the midst of an important election, I had to look in the London Times to find an editorial in which someone has actually had something negative to say about Senator Obama. The American media made their choice for President long ago.

What has been even more upsetting to me is how everyone has been so focused on race during this election. What about sexism? Why hasn't anyone questioned why Hillary has not ever received the male vote, especially white males?

Also I think it is unfair to cast Democrats as not being proud of our country. We are very proud American who at times have been disappointed in the actoins of our government. One of the many effects the terrorist attacks of September 11th had on America is that you are no longer allowed to question the acts of your government without being labeled unpatriotic.

J. Howard, Los Angeles,

Baker makes a good point. Obama is clearly a left of centre politician. Bill Clinton balanced your budget while reducing unemployment, what does Obama say to that? More vast deficits but with Johnsonian interventionist targets?

Dennis Paterson, Canberra, Australia

I enjoyed reading your article, but I'm commenting specifically in regard to your first four paragraphs and what you, a non-American, wrote about "patriotism."

Bravo and thank you!

Michael, Oak Park, USA/IL

This article is right on; that some everyday people think that imitating an economically stagnant Europe with lousy public health and unable to defend itself is a good thing really makes me wonder. But I'm not surprised the Obamas think that way - it is the thinking of privilege by entitlement. And now they've become the latest darlings of the leftist elite. Last time is was Kerry and the time before it was Gore. It would be to America's (and the world's) good if the Obamas joined that pair of blowhards.

Robmac, Tucson, AZ

Obama is a breath of fresh air for Americans. After Bush's people stole the 2000 election from the people in 2000 we now have a chance to take our country back from the right-wing Christians and super rich. Obama will also have the opportunity to correct Bush's error in invading Iraq.

Lorin Alan Weiss, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA

Fine report. I anticipate that Mr. Obama will face a tougher challenge from Mr. McCain than many are anticipating. Particularly with yesterday's NY Times story on McCain and the consequential coalescing of the moderate and conservative US right.

Bill-O-Notes, Shoreham, Vermont, USA

While McCain would be light years more desirable than Hillary and beyond measurable standards for Obama, I find him to be lacking and if he does not pick a true conservative running mate to help keep him "on the path", then I am more than content to allow our country to injure itself in a most egregious fashion by electing a socialist greenhorn who will immediately be surrounded by some of the most corrupt movers and shakers this country has ever seen. When we suffer, the world will suffer as markets fail and officials flail and this will be a dandy lesson for one and all. Markets that depend upon our robust growth will suddenly be faced with falling profits and the answer every socialist knows is "more taxes" thus guaranteeing that the pain will continue until the lesson is learned. Prepare thyselves for the Obamessiah and bow down before his mighty all encompassing compassionate government.

Red Ruffansore, Omaha, Ne, USA

I would point out to Mr. Baker that the very reason America is a great nation is because of people willing to take an honest look in the mirror. I applaud the patriotism of the "my country, right or wrong" folks, but let's be honest - that does not move us forward or make us a better nation. In fact, that thinking has enabled a great deal of corruption and backward movement in the past 8 years.

In my view, the greatest American figures (King, Kennedy, etc.) were progressive figures who were criticized (at the time) in much the same way Mr. Baker criticizes Obama. We've tried neoConservatism...and it obviously didn't work. Obama - should he become President - will be judged by his performance, as it should be. But I think the denegration of his "messianic" appeal is a product of Right-wing fear. Finally, a progressive candidate has the potential to inspire new (specifically, minority) voters...and that threat to the establishment is very good for America!

Jim Reynoldson, Vancouver, WA

I wonder if the author has bothered to read Mr. Obama's two remarkable books, which reveal him to be anything but a starry-eyed leftist. If ever there was a realist who has grounded his political philosophy in the practical considerations of the world he has found, not the one an ideology would define, it is Mr. Obama.

And those who know Mr. Obama best, who have worked with him in Illinois and the Senate, have nearly universally been struck by his compelling ability to understand commonalities whenever possible, but then to make practical incremental changes where there is no consensus for systemic change. In an era of complex problems, being willing to address nuance in both the political sensitivities of the parties and the difficulty of the domain has become a unique quality.

This is not the making of a wide-eyed radical. It is, in fact, the essence of leadership.

Matt, Seaside, CA USA

Matt--it wasn't "just a mistake" or a slip of the tongue. She said pretty much the exact same thing on at least two different occasions (and Genisa from RI should note that in only one of those speeches did she include the qualifier "REALLY proud"). It was a deliberate, calculated pander to a segment of the electorate whose views are, quite frankly, regarded by most Americans with the deepest contempt.

Jeff, Milwaukee, WI, USA

Every time the "Lefties" get into office, the national debt goes down. If this guy gets into office, we're going to have to start burning money to keep pace with the republican ideals of borrowing to look good and cutting taxes!

Peter Nevins, NYC, USA/NY

What Michelle Obama said was just a mistake. Given an honest second thought she would have revised here wording. Sometimes candidates and their families say things on the campaign trail because it just rolled off their mouth. She was probably just a victim of trying to say something more compelling to rev-up an audience.

I live on the east cost in a metro area. While I agree our history is spotted with racism, most white Americans less than 45 yo aren't racist like prior generations. I travel extensively around our great country. Thankfully most of us accept people on the basis of MLK 's message. Mr Baker, like many writers, can't seem to look at our country outside of the context of pre-1960. Fact is many of our racist have passed on. In the USA, Generation X and Y grew up with different rules, principles and perspectives to look at skin color differently and more positively than our prior generations.

Can someone tell Mrs Clinton's real accomplishments?

Matt, philadelphia,

Why does the media INSIST on misquoting Michelle! She didn't say "for the first time she is proud" what she said is "in my adult life I am REALLY proud." Taking out the word "really" changes what she said. Shoot, this is the first time I am really proud to be an American, not that I wasn't proud before, but now I am REALLY proud.
It sounds like McCarthyism to me. You can't voice certain displeasure with American without being labeled unpatriotic. We're not living in an utopia, and besides the Black American experience is faaaar different than the White American experience. And she couldn't say that publically because then she would be accused of playing the "race card". Give me a break!

Genisa, Providence, RI

The failures of the last left winger president, Jimmy Carter, opened the door to Ronald Reagan. Perhaps Obama will offer us a resurrection of Reaganism in 2012.

cyberdog, GB,WI, USA,

AJW in London clarifies Mrs. Obama's statement...that it is the first time she has felt REALLY proud of her country. Hmm...yes...so before this she was only moderately proud of her country. I guess with her Ivy League education and lucrative career she has so little to be proud of. Maybe one day she will be REALLY,REALLY with sugar on top, proud of her country.

joe, chrleston, usa

I was wondering why all UK based commentators are so obssessed about the movement taking place in the 21st C USA. Is this mini island with its old colonial master mind still imitating as if it could influence any more across its traditional colonies? No, definitely not! The fact is, there is no such right and left wing Democratic party in America. The only demo party is the one which Obama/Clinton running under. Ofcourse, the stance of the parties always determined by the elites who grasp the leadership role. Plz do not worry much. The war in Iraq will be over soon, the enemies of USA will become our friends soon, we Hope Hope Hope!!!!!!

George, London,

I, though an Obama supporter, know full well that he is NOT the Messiah. Some of his ideals may not work, and hopefully some will. Nevertheless, the rest of us need to to stop reducing (or exalting) politicians to nothing more than ideals - they are people with emotions, with a past, a present, and a future. It is way too cynical to think that Michelle Obama is not proud of her country. Don't we all get embarrassed by the people or sports teams we love when they fail? Don't we all feel a sense of pride when they succeed? Don't you think that if a man, and his wife, are frustrated with the way the country is, want in their hearts to make it better?

J.Matthew, College Park, MD

Well said Janet. There's something peculiar - and phoney - about these British neocons defending the honor of the Stars and Stripes. Who is Gerard Baker to lecture Michelle Obama?

James, Champagne, Iowa, US

Having lived in both France and the US, not a national of either! France has far lower taxes than the US, its Social Security deductions are higher but the health care benefits far exceed what a US citizen pays and receives under the private health care system. Overall my deductions in France where less than in the US when you factor in health insurance and 401K contributions, all included in France.

paul, sunnyvale, ca

I think that Mrs. Michelle Obama has the right to say how she personally feel. Let's not pretend that this country is full of only good.!She feels that maybe this time around we can get better results for more people, that's that.

kofi, norwalk, ct

What's clear is the American public are not prepared to for an ill-advised and cagey approach to a pre-emptive war while the rich get richer. I've always thought things needed to get much worse before they can get better...hopefully things are bad enough that we'll get it right. Compared to how far Bush/Cheney/Rove have tunneled down under our trust of politicians and the depth of our national debt...Obama will be fine.

Advocate, Springfield, USA

Obama is the only candidate in the prez race who does not have to worry about what other people think or say including Gerald Baker. Agree or not, this is the status with this candidate. Hillary tried to reduce Obama's statuture before Winconsin primary, but she lost. For most candidates, pundits used to call the shots. But for Obama, no.

Mr. Baker, get used to Obama.

Tahniyat, Riyadh,

I always do a double-take at the very notion of a "left-wing American". A bit like a teetotal Russian. America is a VERY right-wing country and American "left-wingers" are what most Europeans would consider to be solidly right-wing.

Harry Collier, Malmesbury, UK

Mr. Baker:

What you claim as the "mainstream of American politics" is neither mainstream nor American. You are simply expressing the age old fear of the status quo, a fear of loosing the lucrative control the status quo has over Americans. It is a fear against a real change, a better change, a change that would possibly transform not only America but also the rest of the world. You are afraid of Obama and what he stands for and frankly you should be. He poses a 'great danger' of creating a better America for Americans and possibly a tranquil world!

A. Dejene, Vancouver, Canada

As John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton did before him, Obama is permitting Americans to again feel optimistic. The rest will shake out in the wash.

DanO, Mount Vernon, USA

Some of McCain's opponents have complained that he has been very lucky with the "cover" some candidates have given him to get to where he is now. After all, Thompson and Huckabee helped him beat Romney by breaking up the Conservative vote. Maybe his luck is at it again; imagine if Obama gets the nomination and is defeated when Americans actually get to see his "programme" (remember, until know he has only been preaching to the converted). Maybe historians will say that Obama helped McCain beat Clinton by shoving her out of the nomination.

Never underestimate the ability of the Democrats to screw up!

Frederick Davies, Oxford, UK

You seem to forget that the main problems facing the U.S. in a near future are aging people, dependancy on foreign energy and an enormous rising debt toward China. I guess Obama's health care strategy by pouring war money in the system, setting a marshall plan on enregy to get rid of foreing dependance and compeling China to adopt a floating yuan to rebalance the commercial deficit are decisevely needed politics in the near term for the U.S. Don't forget the U.S. is made of a revolutionary people that won't avoid what is necessary to maintain itself as an economic world leader with the time to time changes that it implies!

I couldn't agree more. In Obama's case I believe that beauty is only skin deep. That he is much more talk than walk. We Americans know we have already promised ourselves too much. We know that we have borrowed our future on the backs of our children. Obama is an extension of the status quo. For as much as I have contempt for the actions and positions of the republican party and hope for more leadership from a democratic win, unless Obama can begin to appeal to my left brain with a this is how I do it, center of the road reasoning, Hillary has my vote. Unfortunately, I believe that in the end, Obama will never win against McCain.

Rick, Boston, USA

What, a Brit that understands the sentiment of the common folk in the colonies? Mr. Baker, Spot on, Old boy!

Terry Whittington, Atlanta, Georgia/USA

Him not saying the pledge is yet another misquote. Simple investigation online will show this not to be the case. He did not put his hand on his heart during the Anthem, which is what most non-military citizens do. This has been construed into him not saying the pledge.

Rus, Charlotte, North Carolina

"preached intolerance" What intolerance have we preached? We don't want the nanny state taking care of us. If the average European is too dumb to take care of themselves than good for you, have the government do it. We are Americans and most of us feel we can do a better job. Remember this, a government powerful enough to provide you everything is powerful enough to take it all away. A second thing to consider is when does it stop being socialism and start becoming communism? No socialists has been able to answer that for me.

Scott, Chapel Hill, NC

Never mind policies; celebrities think you should vote for him - do you need a better reason?

Ellen Morris, Leeds,

Here is another American's view. The explanation for Obama's
sudden rise from the void? For about forty years white Americans
of European origin have been brainwashed with "White Guilt"--
even though ther, is not a single American alive today who ever owned a slave; even though the Civil Rights Acts of the Sixties are everywhere enforced. What better stratagem for the Democratic Party than to bring forth a candidate who can be elected on the basis of "White/European Gulit?" It is very evident
that now we are reaping the terrible harvest of this forty-year long brainwashing. The substance of Obama matters naught--only his skin color matters. We are headed for disaster.

Mike Cato USA, vestal, USA/NEW YORK

here we go again- tarnish the man just because his wife said something
is this the reason or is it the same fear of his policy ??????????

saud, riyadh,

What Michelle Obama actually said was it was the first time that she had felt REALLY proud of her country.
The word REALLY is all important.
You, of course, are well aware of this.
It seems strange that you would choose to misquote her.

ajw, london,

Now despite all the views that these candidates have on all the various subjects that are being debated. The thing that really turns me off about Obama is this. He is expected to lead the United States of America, yet will not pledge allegiance to it? That is no leader I want as Commander in Chief. If he does not have enough pride in the United States to pledge allegiance to it, why on earth would we elect such a man to lead our country? If his allegiance is not with the United States......then who is it with?

Evan, Deployed in support of Freedom,

Pride in the first Gulf War, Mr Baker? Killing 150,000 sub-standard troops, defeating the military leaders who were the only people to keep Saddam in check, and then leaving him in an enhanced state of power? If you wonder why people around the world have contempt for the insular and arrogant views of American politicians (which unfortunately then extends to the people), this singular statement would be a clear example.
With great power comes great responsibility, and the American government exericses this with utter contempt for other ways of life, and interests that don't suit the US.
Please also remember who armed Saddam in the first place.

Jon, London,

I am an over 50, white woman from Kansas. The United States, as a country, and like many countries before us has many reasons to be ashamed. It is NOT unpatriotic to question your government or your country. It is the most patriotic thing you can do. Barack Obama is bringing my country hope, and it's the most important thing a president can do for his country. Michelle Obama has a right to express her views, openly and uncensored.

janet, newton,

In response to your question at the end of the article....
In a word: Yes.

I would respect patriotism toward the U.S. more if it were not the typical brand of "blind patriotism" that the followers of George W. ascribe to.

I am ready to be proud of our country on it's own merits, not because we have bigger guns and are inclined to use them on the rest of the world.

Michelle Obama has a very valid point.

A. Fisher, Albany, NY, USA

Given the circumstances, perhaps Mister Baker is just being Â« politically correct Â», as they say.

Jeffrey Moore, Toulouse, France

Michelle Obama was trying to say, and it is pretty obvious if you view more than just the soundbite, that this is the first time in her adult lifetime she had been proud of American politics. This patriot feels the same way.

Michael Benson, San Francisco, CA

Mr. Baker, I believe you've made a good point about Michelle.
There are so many unpatriotic people in our country, that it sickens me. If we really want change we need to make it happen without putting our country down continously. I'm very proud to be an American and proud of all the Men and Women who serve this country. I hear people complain, then I hear them make stupid remarks. God bless America. I hope we don't make a big mistake.

luella kaznak, Yuma, Az

Like the good Senator from Illinois said this evening, it must be silly season. Coming from someone who is supposedly liberal and a campaign worker for Mr. Obama, I have not had anything to be proud about this country for until he came along. I oppose the death penalty and feel pretty strong about it but I still want this man to lead us. For the first time in MY adult life, we are about to have a commander-in-chief that I would whole heartedly follow into battle.

To say that those to the left in this country wish to be more like France, you obviously don't get Stateside much. The only wish I have for my country to be more like France is in the way their people do not fear the government.

We are able. We are willing. We are ready.

Kristopher Rowe, Green Bay, WI, USA

"I think part of what made us who we are is free markets and low taxes."

What, morbidly obese war-mongers with some of the higest rates of poverty, illiteracy and violent crime in the developed world?

Marcos, London, UK

Why is France always the hated country du jour for conservatives? We in Sweden feel hurt. Maybe it's because Sweden has free university education, universal health care, guaranteed day care, all manner of assistance for the elderly, eighteen months' paid leave for a new child, nearly full employment, and a high standard of living for all citizens, including the 9,000 Iraqi refugees we have taken in that the US would not, despite not being in the coalition of the willing. Come, Mr. Baker, bring it on against Sweden.

Lynn, Lund, Sweden

I agree whole heartedly with your article. Although I consider myself very left, it is not what the US wants or needs. Unfortunately, Obama has this record of socialism, naivety, and a very minute record to demonstrate otherwise.

Americans have gone goo-goo for a candidate who has a lot of words and no actions. The majority of the states that he has won, will never be awarded to Obama during the general election. Mrs. Obama's quote will not be forgotten because it spits on the face of America.

The USA will have another republican president in 2009. Hopefully the Kerry syndrome of unelectable democrats will change sometime in the future.

Jeff King, Columbus, Ohio USA

As an American, I have great pride in our nation's origins, foundation, and opportunities. I am also often appalled at the egregious self-serving and outright insulting behaviors and assertions of our leaders.

In the matter of the presidency, I have the utmost respect for the office. Respecting the man holding that office is another matter altogether.

Rick Hepner, Salt Lake City, USA

It's a sign of both stupidity and vanity to be "proud" of an accident of birth - you have no choice about the nationality you were born with. Once you're grown up, you do have a choice about making life better for those around you, as best you can. But there is no need for all this "we are the best at everything, and therefore we are entitled to patronise everyone else" conceit. Nobody much outside the US believes it any more anyway, especially when it's so blatantly not true.

Julia Iskandar, London, England

I am an American who lives in Obama's constituency in Chicago. Before he was my Senator he was my State Representative in Springfield the state capitol of Illinois.

Having lived in the UK I can say that there is no equivalent legislator there. Much bigger than a councilor, but more local than an MP.

Anyhow, the gentleman from Long Island is absolutely correct. Mr. Obama is not a member of that dreaded species, the European Left, and Mr. Murphy is correct that the US will still be to the right of the UK in most areas even in an Obama administration.

But Mr, Obama is more than a brilliant orator. He is also also a thoughtful and pragmatic problem-solver. He's a good listener and he analyzes situations intelligently. I have personally see him solve many local issues that involved intense disagreement.

Yes, he was correct about Iraq, and is an American liberal who represented a liberal district. But he is not an ideologue. He'll make a great President.

Nick, Chicago, IL, USA

I am against discrimination in all wqalks of life but....when a coutnry decides to coronate its King and choses a 46 year old from a minority community who has little record whose main claim to fame is inspirational speeches it is time to ponder. To chose Kenyan and Indonesian upbringing over all-american one, Hussein over Rhodam , charisma (to some) over wisdom is not pride but disgrace.. This may mark the decline of the glory of America. American respect in the world (especially Asia,Latin America and parts of europe) will decline. It is very symbolic and political correctness will prevent any mainstream media to talk about it openly but it will bring shame and disgrace to the majority community in this nation. I am not a racist and think A Colin Powell or Condy Rice would be no problem but an alacrity to give the benefit of doubt to somebody with the package that Obama offers is shocking and the now mesmerized public will wake up to its disgrace later history will be unerasable.

rajesh, los angeles, usa ca

The Obamas have a multi-million dollar income, both have law degrees from ivy league universities, send their children to private schools, and they are victims of an oppressive American society?

Kent C, Nocona, TX., USA

"There is a caste of left-wing Americans who wish essentially and in all honesty that their country was much more like France."

Are you suggesting that France is ot a nice place to live? I have lived and worked in both countries for a considerable amount of time and let me tell you France is a fabulous place to live, far better than the US in my opinion.

Obama is more right wing than the UK has been for some time. I hope that he wins as we all know that the US controls the world, or should I say that the top 1% of Americans control the world purely for self interest. Obama has the opportunity to break that tie and give real americans the chance to control their own country. They may think they have contro but they don't. However they could if they were brave enough. Go for it!!!

David (English), Madrid,

It's about time SOMEBODY got down and dirty on Shiny Obama. ALL MEDIA has been launching the golden boy right on into the hearts of any American that will turn on the TV or open a newspaper. Obama said it himself tonight in the debate - he is endorsed by all the major newspapers in Texas! WAKE UP AMERICA! Hillary is spot on...he is all talk...groomed and trained to talk well...and being slid down everyones throats like a smooth drink mixed and served by the media.

Harry , Dumfries,

I am in Mrs. Obama's court on this one.
I am a disabled mother, with one child just entering the job market and one still trying to get a quality education. My fiance' is blind and he is disabled.
And I haven't been proud of my country since Bush took office!

I've had little to be proud of but, the men and women who have given their all to fight a war not only that shouldn't have happened; But, has also stripped my family and America of its' economic stability.

We have watched our future go down the drain and my children's hope for a future be traded for a policy of Debt and insolvency of the American Dream.

The disabled have watched all our gains turn to losses. We struggle to pay co-pays. waste hope on receiving adequate health care; watch as products and food becomes dangerous by the day; Watched American education cost a small fortune that ultimately repeals the American Dream for people like us. Poverty is Bush's Outcome for all but the elite!
What's to be proud of ?

Sharlene Lampman, Bakersfield, USA/ CA

The Obamas have a multi-million dollar income, both have law degrees from ivy league universities, send their children to private schools, and they are victims of an oppressive American society?

Kent C, Nocona, TX., USA

I think you have a case in point, Mr. Baker. It is true that Americans should know better where there country is heading to. But though I am a foreigner, as what I have been observing lately, America might just be leaning towards the Left. A sign that is not only alarming but but could even be worst than the Armaggedon. America has and will always be the Symbol of Democracy, my country has adopted its form of government from the US. It will be very disappointing if it will only be lead towards the Left by an inexperienced and God knows where a man like Obama would do even to the rest of the world.

I am a Democratic supporter and I have always shared the ideals of the party. I hope American voters will realize the danger of putting him in the White House in the future.
I still think HILLARY CLINTON is the best person for the job in the White House.

Martin Juarez, Manila, Philippines

This article is tasteless and wrong. For many years all the thinking poor in America have been profoundly ashamed by the activities of George Bush and then the hundreds of revelations concerning everything from torture camps to the institution of laws found only in Dictatorships, both Communist and Fascist. We were are raised up on Christian Ideals and a fictional history that we had always acted in an honorable manner. We believed what they taught us in vacation bible school, and that the local banker was an honorable man, and that the Scout laws were the way to live and be. At the same time we believed that a man should be tough enough to drink others of his rank under the table and in a ferocious fight behind the bar, win half the time and never pull a gun and shoot someone just because you were losing. We are ashamed that all this was lost to vile, criminal leaders, themselves traitors to American ideals. We are in a RAGE to throw them out . Michelle spoke the truth.

victor compton, Cherbourg, France

Relax, Mr. Baker. Senator Obama's prior legislative work reflects a very common-sense approach to very real problems, e.g., videotaping police interviews after numerous confessions were found to be erroneous based on DNA evidence. He and his wife are trying to mobilize the American public to get involved on the local level. Her "pride" that the American population is finally rousing from its apathy is hardly worrisome or controversial.

B Bendixen, City Island, NY, USA

Don't be silly. NO major US politician is that left-wing. Anyone who aspires ot public office in the US will be at worst new labour blairite or similar. if Taxes are increased on the rich it will only be restoring things to what they were when Bush took office. The Rich have had a virtiual welfare state in the US for the last few years and it's time that society was more balanced.

After Obama is elected America will be still to the right of Britain in most areas.

Neil Murphy, cromer,

No, I'm afraid you just have a tin ear for America. I'm a British expatriate who has lived in the US for twenty-five years. For the first decade I lived in the South, and I know exactly what Michelle Obama meant.

She means that the fact that an African-American can be the Democratic front-runner, with no suggestion of racial tokenism, means that the US has changed out of all recognition in the past decade.

Pride is a person-oriented concept. Pride in an advanced missile is one thing, but for poor blacks growing up in shacks in Georgia with no running water - in our lifetime, in the richest country in the world - pride in country was a meaningless concept. At the outside, they joined the military, and felt pride in that, but eventually they came home and felt pride no more.

We should be impressed that Michelle Obama is alert enough to express that thought, not cavil.

jon livesey, Sunnyvale, CA/USA

Gerard Baker: He is against companies using the opportunities of free markets to restructure their operations in the US. He is vehemently protectionist.

Barack Obama: I believe in the Free Market. I believe in Capitalism. I believe in Free Trade. I am not worried about us being able to compete anywhere on earth with American workers.

Barack Obama: We donâ€™t believe in government doing for us what we can do for ourselves.

Maybe Obama just thinks the government shouldn't give tax advantages to companies that are restructuring, as has been recent policy.

mike, columbus, ohio

How can you be an American and not be proud of many of the things our country and people have accomplished? There are things I'm not proud of too and I have had disagreements with every presidential administration that I can think of. I don't hold the contempt though for President Bush that many in Europe and even over here in the U.S. do, but I'm not his biggest fan either.

I think both the extreme left and the extreme right in US politics do not represent the American people as a whole. Obama unfortunately appears to be in the extreme left category. I hope this makes him unelectable. I would hate to see the people's anger at conservatives lead to the election of someone that does not really represent the American people.

Nothing against y'all (notice my Texan English) in Europe, but I don't think the more Socialist type ideals of Europe will work here in the U.S. I think part of what made us who we are is free markets and low taxes.

Paul W., Houston, TX

Despite this right wing rant, I still hope he wins. Obama is arguing for hope against cynicism, and the ordinary person against the Washington machine. Also, as a matter of fact, he most certainly is NOT a European left winger, with its class solidarity and inflexible proletarianism. So, you are wrong on all counts then...

John Nicholson, Hampton, Middlesex

I think from the depths we reached there is nowhere else to go but upwards.

Alex, NY, USA

The fact that Obamaâ€™s wife consciously made such a statement says a lot (She is American and exercising the freedom thereof). As an African-American, I often am not proud of this country and its oppressive ways (such as the state of Georgiaâ€™s insulting flag, the Cleveland Indian's insulting mascot, and jails filled with victims of judicial injustice). If someone does not like the statement, maybe they should learn how to be less oppressive.

The fact that she boldly and unapologetically made the statement is a plus in qualifying her as a true American. (What is the use of being free if you canâ€™t exercise the freedom).

That being said, I am conservative and donâ€™t support the Obamas.

Lance, Austin, TX

I am not an American. Most of my adult life I was baffled by the choices Americans make, whether on policy or personalities. And for the first time I am admiring and proud of Americans.
Mr Baker should be happy that I am proud of America rather than trying to beat that pride out of me, Mechaelle Obama or any one that felt victimized or dehumanized in the past but for the first time feel accepted.
What bothers and frightens Mr. Baker seems to me is the departure of Mechelle Obamas from their position of feeling a victim and feeling pride in America like him. That is his and his types territory. With out those who feel victimized Mr. Bakers kind feeling of pride for America can not exist.
Meichelle Obama and millions of African Americans might finally feel truly arrived. That should be the pride of all Americans as I believe for most it is. But for some like mr. Baker it is a sign of dooms day and so the "warning".

beles, sandnes, Norway

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