A** Article, Well done - Camilla, just the 'correct' tone to isolate the 'tiny minority' of mass murderers and keep on board 'the majority of law abiding British Muslims".

There is 'No justification" for killing of the innocents, by whoever, wherever, whenever!

It's good written work like this that will enable us all in the UK to overcome the prevalent evil within our midst, thanks.

M A Patel, Dewsbury, England

That much we know already although it may be refreshing to be reminded of by your journalist.

But what are the views of the experts, if it is just criminality then call on criminologists if its politics then call the 'other' analysts such as Tariq Ali perhaps or philosophy prof. Ted Honderich - not your usual suspects.

That how informed debate is generated not just more of the same please however patriotic this may seem it realy isn't .

Nicholas Xenakis, Borough, London, England

I believe a number of leading diplomats have already told our government to stop treating this as a war and treat it as a crime wave. Counter-propoganda that clearly criminalises those who use terror tactics to force their views onto the front page should be deployed as widely as possible. When the majority of peple make it clear that these "terrorists" are going to be regarded as nothing more than an exceptionally dangerous gang of vandals and thugs then they will not find their "cause" nearly so appealing.

Stop according the trappings of statehood to criminal gangs!

KR, Stockport,

Camilla,

I was interested in your report about the spread of extremism amongst young men who are very impressionable/gullible, not very bright and often in possession of criminal records. You, like many others in this country, stress that we should not see this as a religious issue.

However, I cannot help but notice that the London/Glasgow "would-be" bombers who nearly managed to 'pull-off' two major atrocities were Muslim Doctors (one being a Neuro-Surgeon). IFurthermore, it seems commonplace for the membership of jihad networks to be drawn from the professional or would-be professional classes. Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the 7/7 bombers, was university educated. So was Omar Sheikh who masterminded the filmed beheading of Daniel Pearl. Omar Khyam, a cell ringleader who was convicted this year of a 2004 plot to blow up a London nightclub and shopping mall with fertiliser bombs, was a computer sciences student.

I think there's much more to the issue than you think!

David, London, UK

An outstanding and the first ever realistic and truthful article I have ever read in the British Newspapers about British Muslims. Thanx Camilla, I love you.

Naveed, Manchester, UK

So why does this infection of extremism only happen to muslim youth? The answer is obviously Islam itself. There is something inherantly violent within islam. Otherwise why wouldn't disgruntled christian, hindu, sikh, buddhist youth become extremists committed to violence?

Davidd, London, England

it is apt that the times publishes this piece at the same time they demonstrate the recruitment of those well bred young girls from islington caught up in the smuggling of drugs. The recruitment of our young is evident. we need to do more, ACF appears to hold part of the solution but we all hold some responsibility and should contribute to the just cause of protecting our young people as they are the leaders of tomorrow.

well done to ACF , we need a conbination of strength and will. we cannot let our young fall prey to the recruiter of evil whether that be gang crime guns, drugs or terror. ACF appears to know how to address the threat and we should focus on developing the capacity of like minded groups. i wish them the best and hope that the government will listen. we are in the realms of change and we better learn to adapt to this change and stop those seeking to abuse our children.

Rollin G, london,

The Active Change Foundation rely on two key ingredients:

1. Fairness

2. Justice

These terms are peddled by many, lived by even less and accepted by even fewer. The time to read is over. The time to initiate is here. Good luck to the ACF.

Camilla, you kept it real. Respect.

Hassan2, London,

Good piece.

Ellen Arnshaw, Fulham,

PC lefty nonsense. Bin Laden's attacks had NOTHING to do with Islam and Muslims did it? And the guy at Glasgow airport was screaming 'Allah' as he swung punches at the police officier. Just a word that popped into his head. Camilla, take a reality pill with your Earl Grey.

TOM WATLEY, Epping.,

In most European countries the people take pride in
their own culture and traditional values, this is not the
case in Britain.
You allow yourselves to be represented by people who
undermine the British way of life.
Government departments such as the Home Office, have
destabilised Britain, this of course is well known, but no changes are made.
The BBC. clearly has an agenda for social change, and
despite being dependant on public money, they answer
to nobody.
Immigrants find very little to be a part of, there are very few
worthwhile traditional values promoted. Once we could
show loyalty to the Royal family, but even they have made
fools of themselves
Are the public of Britain are suffering from terminal apathy.?

J Mckay, Wellington, New Zealand

Exactly the same methods provided a supply of SA Brownshirts in Weimar Germany - much of the rhetoric and propaganda is the same.....

CCTV, Halifax, England

Camilla Cavendish’s insightful article is full of good practical advice. She has obviously come to understand what drives the young to become radicalized. If the government of the UK does not begin to "think outside of the check box" soon, these young radicals will make the innocent suffer for not paying enough attention to them and for not getting help to them before they become indoctrinated and wreak their havoc on the innocent through terror. It is easy to ignore those hooked on drugs or involved in gangs when they keep the damage to themselves or to other gang members, but no longer is their anger confined to the mean streets and back alleyways. Are the decision makers listening? Is there anyone who handles these bureaucracies willing to reach out to unconventional directors and actually find out what remedies make a significant difference? We all better hope so.

Noreen Mulliken, London, UK

I agree. Connecting these extremists to Islam is wrong, and causes problems within the Muslim community . We need a new name for the extemists; why not call them "Ladenists", and their "religion" Ladenism - followers of Bin Laden. We then can isolate them in the media and in the minds of all in UK from the Muslim community. A true Muslim should then be comfortable snitching on a Ladenist.

John Smith, London,

An outstanding, the first ever realistic and truthful article about British Muslims in any British newspaper. Thanx Camilla, I love you

Naveed, Manchester, UK

There are many things that can be done, and done swiftly and cheaply, here are three off the top of my head:-

1) An amendment to the Human Rights Act to direct that it only applies to British or to EU citizens would take a matter of a week or so given government support.

2) Amend the asylum and immigration acts to allow removal of the peddlers of hate, simply done once point 1 has been carried out.

3) The 3 strikes could easily be combined with offshore prisons, I would advocate tying these up with our efforts to encourage an end the death penalty overseas, if we pay for a life detention facillity in a poor country it could be in the condition that that country put its death penalty convicts there instead of up against a wall. The running costs would save us a fortune and, as your fine piece notes terrorists like rapists, gansters and other serious offenders are drawn, in the main from the habitually criminal - 3 strikes can eliminate the supply of new hardened criminals at a stroke

Edward Andrew Green, Upminster, England

It seems to me that many of those who promote terror are on a monstrous and evil ego-trip. It makes them feel imporant: they have a "mission", that they are "special". However, the religious dimension is important. The vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving people. Why do they allow Bin Laden and his followrs to get away with the things the teach in the name of Islam. Muslims and others are understandably hurt by criticisms of their faith. But which is the real blaspemy? Is it what people such as Salman Rusdhdie has written in a novel which most people have not read (and never will). Is it not rather, in those who claim to be Muslims yet blaspheme the name of the One in whom they claim to believe. Mohammed is traditionally said to have spoken of Ninety Nine Beautiiful Names for God. The real blasphemers, surely, are those who seek to justify their conceits saying that God approves of their own pride and their evil and blapshemous deeds.

Robert Wilkinson, milnthorpe, UK

Knowledge of persuasion techniques is of great protective value in personal life choices and the avoidance of being sidetracked into a destructive mindset.

It can be a two-edged sword in that such knowledge may also be applicable to more benign influences which are cohesive of western cultures, such as managed aspects of newsflow, commercial advertising and opinion formation in democracies.

Keeping a balanced outlook is assisted by use of a wide variety of wholesome activities, including the artistic and cultural.

It could be the relatively idle minds and hands of which to beware, as well as that which is not what it seems to be.

dr venables preller, Warminster, UK

Brilliant analysis. You focus on the underlying issues of recruiting young people by tapping into what troubles them most. This has been a successful process within and outside of the US prison system by those in the US with religous or other intent for a decade. If Britan is to stem the flow of extremists they should consider alternatives to policy driven programs

Brian M.Carroll, Cave Creek, Arizona

No, you didnt mention the word 'Muslim', you were right to aswell. You also didnt mention the word, 'tribalism'.

Andrew O'Neill, Liverpool, Merseyside

This is a great perspective on actively dealing with the issue. The attempt to engage extremist recruitment at the very roots seems cogent. I hope the idea gets discussed deeper and wider, by the public and authorities, and eventually progresses into a practice which disseminates quickly and effectively.
I would guess if the concept is received favorably in consultation, the only barriers to its implementation would be politics and money. And hat would be a mighty shame.

MJ, London, UK