David Aaronovitch
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My instincts are, I hope, as savage as the next columnist's. If an opportunity should arise for me to murder an Archbishop of Canterbury in print, then I wouldn't like to be left behind in the rush for quills and keyboards as fellow press-knights get ready for the slaughter. And there is something about the fluffy white beard and the too-long hair of this particular prelate that demands - and has now received - a bashing.
By now Dr Williams will have run out of cheeks to turn. Being described as “muddled and unhelpful” by the top Equality man, Trevor Phillips, was the least of it. The BBC Ten O'Clock News illustrated coverage of last week's speech to lawyers with pictures of handless beggars and men being flogged in public squares, as though the Archbishop had been advocating amputations and chastisement.
The Sun recommended that we all “Bash the Bishop”, probably not forgetting that this is slang for what was, for a long time, considered to be the sin of Onan. The conservative Jewish commentator Melanie Phillips exercised some extra-jurisdictional powers of her own in calling for the Archbishop to be dethroned (next week the Vicar of Dibley gives her choice of Chief Rabbi), entirely missing Dr Williams's conservative attack on the decline of civility and “customary ethical restraints” produced by our “narrowly rights-based culture”. He has even been accused of treason.
Perhaps it's the fact that the Archbishop genuinely is holier than us that has contributed to the exuberant pleasure it has given so many people to misrepresent so violently what the poor man was saying. Or what I think he was saying, for I was pedantic enough - unlike some of his most enthusiastic assassins - to read the bloody speech.
Here is my summary so you don't have to: there are lots of religious people in Britain who look to religious precepts in their solving of domestic and contractual problems, and in directing their behaviour. This is “unavoidable”. Some of these solutions are recognised in English and Scottish law, and some of them aren't. Where they aren't, we run the danger that people will both feel and be marginalised.
Not only that, but with a non-hierarchical religion, such as Islam, we risk this marginalised legal process being controlled at a local level by “primitivists” and not by wise authorities: a bit like, say, the bishops of the Church of England. If we handle this right, we could have sensible Sharia courts with legal standing, and if we handle it wrong we could have a lot of bongo-brains exercising real power, but outside the law. And we won't like that.
That's his argument. And the Archbishop was quite aware of some of the objections. Supplementary courts could not, he argued, be used to undermine human rights.
So we would have a Britain-friendly supplementary Sharia and a “market element” in law for those who freely chose it - and who, sensibly, could object to that? Neither Dr Williams nor his argument deserved the beating-up they received. And if his contribution was “unhelpful”, it was largely rendered so by the reaction to it. Obscurity rarely in itself incites hatred. But he was obscure, because it is only with great difficulty and by seeking for evidence that we can work out where his direction of travel might take us.
Once again he mentions the issue of the Catholic adoption agencies who, under the provisions of the Equality Act regulations of 2007, were forced to abandon their effective discrimination against would-be gay adoptors. This time last year Dr Williams wrote in support of the Catholic Church, arguing that “rights of conscience cannot be made subject to legislation, however well-meaning”. And again he mentions those doctors who are permitted to exercise their consciences in the matter of performing abortions. “It is difficult to see,” said the Archbishop, “quite why the principle cannot be extended in other areas.”
Well, no it isn't, actually. These “rights of conscience” have unmentioned corollaries: the gay couple denied a chance of adoption and the woman who - if surrounded by Catholic doctors - may not get the treatment to which she is entitled. It is only if such exemptions are rare that they can be at all tolerable. The implication of the Archbishop's speech is that he wants them to be less rare.
The second main problem is that members of the community who may wish or need to remain in communion can be effectively coerced into accepting inferior supplementary justice. But he never tells you how such an outcome can be prevented. How would the spread of Sharia not be accompanied by pressure on Muslims to conform to its rulings? As for the rest of us, already we are affected in myriad small ways by the supplementary decisions of religious authorities. Children can gain or be denied places at state schools as a consequence of almost arbitrary rulings on their religious status by church and rabbinical authorities. But so far we've gone along with it.
The final problem is that the Archbishop's whole approach, if adopted, would change this, not least because the new religious minorities are so much bigger than the old ones. Acting as the effective general secretary of the National Union of Priests, Rabbis, Imams and Allied Pontiffs (or PRIAPus), he privileges religion over all other kinds of identities, but fails to point out why his proffered leeway should not also be taken up by Scientologists, Mormons, football clubs, political parties and any other community that offers “social identity and personal motivation”. Why should certain doctors not refuse to see women patients? Or deny blood transfusions? Why should Spurs- supporting cab drivers not dump Arsenal passengers in South London?
He meant well. In T.S.Eliot's play Murder in the Cathedral, before Dr Williams's predecessor Thomas à Becket gets hacked to death, he is visited by various temptations. “The last temptation is the greatest treason: To do the right deed for the wrong reason.” Eliot was mistaken; even worse is to do the wrong deed for the right reason.
David Aaronovitch is a writer, broadcaster and commentator on international politics and the media. He writes for The Times Comment page on Tuesdays. He has previously written for The Guardian, The Observer and The Independent, winning numerous accolades, including Columnist of the Year 2003 and the 2001 Orwell prize for journalism. He has appeared on the satirical TV current affairs programme Have I Got News For You and made radio broadcasts on historical topics
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Abortion a "treatment"- for what?
Steven Laidlaw, Livingston, Scotland
Aha - so it's a "fact that the Archbishop genuinely is holier than us" (sic).
Holy? Like the Pope?
So what?
All the cows in Delhi are holy too.
alan, germany,
Melanie Phillips has every right to express her opinion. The Church of England is the official church of the country. The Queen is its supreme governor, as well as monarch. According to your own paper, the Queen is worried about the possible fall-out from the sharia speech, which will, incidentally, affect the entire coutnry.
The opinion of the Muslim community was courted during the contest between the Bishop of Rochester and Rowan Williams. the rest is history.
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Dr. Irene Lancaster, Haifa, Israel
He means well. Of all the damning statements made about the Archbishop that's the worst, David. The road to hell is paved...... I'm sure you can finish the sentence.
Ann Keith, Cambridge, uk
The Muslims have enough people of their own to advocate for their rights. Should not the archbishop focus on his PRIMARY responsibility of championing and speaking about and for the Christian faith, Anglican Church and the Christians suffering in Islamic countries?
Matt, Amsterdam, Netherlands
You don't need to be a Muslim woman to see that Sharia is unfair, just as you didn't need to be black to see that apartheid in South Africa was unfair. It's as plain as day. None so blind though...
Lizzy, Sydney, Australia
Not for the first time, David Aaronovitch just doesn't seem to get it.
Bill,sf,ca suggests that this is the thin end of a very large wedge - too true.
And as Richard Dell points out, David's simplistic dismissal of his fellow pundit Melanie Philips as conservative and Jewish
doesn't cut the mustard either.
Matthew Thomas, bristol,
The worst thing you can say about anyone is that they meant well. The inevitable corollary is that it - whatever it was they did - didn't turn out well.
SA, Leeds,
'the state is not God and doesn't have the right to impose its own morality on others'.
God is not the state and doesn t have the right to impose its own morality on others.
The bearded ones of all belief systemns want to do just that.
dhrowlands, cardiff,
Picking up on Rosemary's comments,even were Sharia to apply to non-criminal issues, the question is what Sharia? I understand that in some Sharia jurisdictions the testimony of a man carries more weight than that of a woman and that of a Muslim more than that of a non-Muslim. Can we be so multi-cultural as to think even for a nano-second of allowing such rules to apply anywhere on this island?
Dave, london,
"No sharia court anywhere should have any power even over those who "accept" its findings, for the simple reason that in an Islamic family the women (except, perhaps, the lucky few who have neither husband nor father nor brothers nor sons) do not have the right to make any important decisions. They do as they are told, vote as they are told and decide as they are told."
Rosemary
When you're a Muslim woman, you may speak for all of us. Otherwise, don't dare to represent what you aren't.
For the record, I've done all the things you pointed out and simply didn't like most of it either. Does that count, or do I also have to like it in order for you to be convinced of my 'free will'?
Such arrogance...
MC, London,
It's hard to understand why so many of the commentators don't seem to understand the implications of Sharia.
The full expression of Sharia means the forced subjugation of all other religions , and the confiscation of all religious literature, like Bibles. Once you let that camel's hoof in the door, with "Just a Little Sharia", you are giving Moslems the initiative in slowly demanding more and more of the provisions of Sharia. It is that which makes it so frightening. It isn't hysteria. It isn't prejudice, It isn't racism. It is an understanding of what has happened in every Islamic country - that is, NO freedom of Speech. NO Freedom of Religion. And, the forced subjugation or death of all non believers. You think this is a minor matter, or "Hysteria"? If you want your freedom, don't allow Sharia!
bill, sf, ca
David will probably have read Melanie Phillips' observation on his noting that she was "conservative" and "jewish". I have to agree that this is a cheap and irrelevant ad hominem, unworthy of such a heavyweight as he. How should we prefix you in public discourse, David? Perhaps as Greg Dyke referred to the BBC?
Richard Dell, Preston, UK
"So the Archbishop was trying to argue that the state should keep out and not go around fining the Bishop of Hereford £50,000 for doing what Bishops have always done."
But the case here was brought by another Christian, who clearly felt that the secular system was fairer and more just than any religiously-based decision. As a British citizen he had the right to justice
Are you saying the plaintiff should have been denied access to British law because the Bishop's decision under some religiously-inspired law should have been final?
Alistar, Edinburgh,
Lucid? His speech was lucid? That's the last thing I would call it. It was (surely deliberately?) highly opaque.
Ophelia Benson, Seattle, US
Your article was interesting and quite informative, but left me unsatisfied.
Is he a twat or not?
Mr Davies, London, UK
It's all part of the 'shoot first and ask questions later' mentality of the moronic British media.
The BBC has no scruples whatsoever.
Today's agenda: invite Bishop to talk on a complex theme and then misrepresent him on every BBC News program until you stir up enough animosity to put his job in jeopardey.
Your example of the 10 O' Clock news is only too typical. The problem is that people misguidedly believe that the BBC is an impartial and reliable source of news. All too often their coverage falls below the standards of the basist tabloids.
John O'Reilly, london, England
Vaguely recollecting there is something naughty about 'Priapus', I googled it: Ooo, you are awful - but I loved the article!
Harry, Bognor Regis,
At least he didn't kow-tow to tabloid-inspired morons and apologise.
His speech was too lucid and intelligent for those more interested in Britney Spears' latest outing....
John, London,
Let there be light, and most of all clear thinking and understanding. The archbishop should have given greater thought and reflection before he spoke with befuddling tongue. It is a shame his defence is that you did'nt understand me clearly. He must understand that his flock, feel unsafe in a dangerous world, they are no longer respected and often derided for their christian beliefs.
The secular amongst feel threatened that there is an increasing weakening of freedom, from a religion where there can be no unbeliever, where no one can leave the faith at the risk of death. The sharia system, as pointed out above in article can be victim of wild interpretations by extremists with little or no appeal to a higher court.
Gold finger, Gloucester, Uk
To think , such an intelligent man believes a higher being created everything that is percieved as real to us and we aren't all a happy coincidence of matter and chemical reaction ,quite bizarre .
When will the good people of this planet realise religion was a device created by control freaks to control their fellow man but usually their fellow woman.
Every religous law is about reducing civil liberty which makes me wonder just how weird this current government is , as they seem to be following that exact same path .
It wouldn't surprise me if Gordon Brown thought he was Jesus born again or was that mantle the sole property of his predecessor, the outrageously controlling Tony Blair.
Nick Dixon, Sutton Coldfield, A place next to the North Sea
'He meant well'. If he was a parish priest or a local councillor or a minor civil servant that might be acceptable. But he is the Archbishop of Canterbury - the spiritual leader of millions of Anglicans around the world. In this case 'he meant well' is no answer at all - Williams has demonstrated every single quality which proves that he is unfit to hold his current office.
And for what it is worth - the preservation of a wholly secular system of justice will be the best guarantee of individual freedom to practice one's own faith. It is, further, the 'glue' that will bind an increasingly diverse society. Opting out or this fashionable voluntary apartheid that is modern multiculturalism will simpy fragment society even further.
Finally, for the record, I am a practising Anglican.
Hugh, Berkhamsted,
It seems to me that Dr Williams has inadvertently lifted the lid on a development in British society which has crept up on us. We have become and are becoming amazingly intolerant of Christianity and its representatives. This whole episode is reminiscent of a pack of hounds gathering for the kill. For example, read the comments of James Fowler of Doncaster on this page. A less intelligent mouthful of bile it's hard to imagine.
JohnT, Birmingham, UK
Considering his life reloves around being the high priest of a load of superticious twaddle why should we be bothered about anything he says?
James Fowler, Doncaster, UK
Every now and then a Pop or Archbishops spreads this kind of lame "propaganda" against Islam to ignite "islamophobia".
Read my lips "Muslims" don't want Sharia on any other law.
Law in England, or in my case, in Canada is far superior and civilized and "closer to Islam".
Churches are using this as weapon against Islam. This kind of law is tailor made for Saudia or Afghanistan (guess what, both of these states are under American rule right now).
Mazhar, Ottawa, Canada
No sharia court anywhere should have any power even over those who "accept" its findings, for the simple reason that in an Islamic family the women (except, perhaps, the lucky few who have neither husband nor father nor brothers nor sons) do not have the right to make any important decisions. They do as they are told, vote as they are told and decide as they are told. Britain must not become yet another arm of this monstrous injustice.
I know many of them fondly believe they are free. Let them prove it by going to a restaurant on their own, sharing a taxi with a male friend, dating and marrying outside their faith. When Islamic menfolk accept that women's behaviour is none of their business, then I will believe it to.
Rosemary, Liverpool,
Did the press over-react to William's statements? Or, since Mr. Williams seems to be too busy playing his violin to notice the deep fractures in his own flock, perhaps, the press was reminding him that his attention might be directed to his priority - leaving the Anglican Church stronger than he found it. Debating the merits of Sharia Law is about the last thing he need turn his mind to.........as a world leader in matters Anglican, Williams has a responsibility to ensure that he protects the fabric of a democratic society within which his flock is allowed to peacefully practice our beliefs. Show me a democratic state which practices Sharia Law in a manner where the rights of the individual prevail.
Tom Goldspink, Toronto, Canada
Mr Aaronovitch:
Thank You!
I'm a Born Again Heretic, and I say 'foo on all religions'...I'm a secular kinda guy...but what scared me more than the *misperceived* thoughts ascribed to Williams, was the absolutely hysterical reaction the UK Press ignited. It is *sdtill* being grossly misreported!
Your colleague Simon Jenkins, in this very paper, some days back, was expounding how today's UK Press is as good as it has ever been.
God forbid! (And that's from a Heretic)
That particular issue, and the totally absurd one of the 'marrying cousins' (completely debunked by the UK Genetics Commission have been fed completely knee-jerk by this very paper.
Britain (and I'm an expat) is scaring the hell out of me. You will note claims of "experts" in the Woolas genetics claim...and yet absolutely none are referenced or quoted.
Such headlines in the broadsheets of this nation would result in an immediate inquiry by the Press Council.
No wonder the UK has race problems. Get the facts straight!
steve saines, toronto, canada
The main point Williams was making is that religious communities have organised themselves for hundreds of years with their own rules etc. Many of these Christian rules were incorporated into English law. Since the 60s they have systematically been repealed. Furthermore the secular state has started to impose its own politically correct values on religious communities in ways that force them to change and thereby infringes their religious liberty. So the Archbishop was trying to argue that the state should keep out and not go around fining the Bishop of Hereford £50 000 for doing what Bishops have always done. The state is not God and doesn't have the right to impose its own morality on others. Of course the nanny state is doing so but religious people whose institutions pre-date the state don't like to be infantilsed.
william Haines, northwood,