David Aaronovitch: For the war
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Dear Matthew
Isn’t it exhausting – this merry-go-round of argument, always in motion, but never going anywhere? I sighed to see ancient quotes, long repudiated, pressed into weary service yet again.
Let me repeat: had I known, at the beginning of 2003, when I took my own decision to support an Iraq invasion if it happened – that the human cost was going to be 150,000 dead Iraqis and that the political cost would be the discrediting of the doctrine of interdependence – then I would have argued hard against it. I would have said then that it wasn’t worth it. It had little to do with weapons of mass destruction (WMD), though dangers seemed to me always to be attendant on tolerating genocidal dictatorships (there, I know, we differ).
Had I known what failures in preparation and strategy were coming, had I known that there were people who would blow up holy shrines and everyone in them simply to provoke counter-slaughter, had I known just how pointlessly (pointlessly, Matthew) murderous some people could be . . . Of course, “we told you so”, but then “we” also told us so about so many other things that never happened.
But invading Iraq was not the only disaster. Not toppling Saddam was also a disaster. The sanctions were failing, people were dying, WMD was proliferating, the UN was complicit in the flouting of its own most solemn decisions. Jihadism, a rising ideology that was partly a product of failed states, and partly of a complacent foreign policy, was already waxing.
So at this point I turn to what, with admirable spirit, you tell me I “bloody well know” about jihadism. The trouble being that, even had you used a stronger word, I still wouldn’t have “known” that apocalyptic Islamism was made significantly worse by the invasion of Iraq – except in Iraq itself.
The year 2001 made it clear to almost everyone that there was already a disaster. In fact, we should have realised it long before, given the tourists and travellers murdered in Yemen, Bali, Luxor and Kashmir, the mosques blown up in Pakistan, the assassination of Muslim leaders.
That particular rough beast, Matthew, was vexed to nightmare while the cradle was being rocked by Parrisian fatalists or Kissingerian realpolitikers like Douglas Hurd and Malcolm Rifkind. It was incubated during the days of nonintervention in Bosnia and Afghanistan. Even now our domestic jihadism is more likely to be animated by Kashmir than by Iraq. You posit, with the most terrible elegance, a world where somehow you are rendered safer by putting your head in a paper bag. One of my greatest regrets about Iraq is that now many more people may believe that this is true.
Even so, your capacity to tolerate hundreds of thousands of deaths, as long as fewer of them are ours or “caused” by us, presents such a cold historical view, that – paradoxically – it entitles me to argue that we must also begin to look at the Iraq invasion in the longer term. Perhaps in our next exchange we should do just that.
Love,
David

David Aaronovitch is a writer, broadcaster and commentator on international politics and the media. He writes for The Times Comment page on Tuesdays. He has previously written for The Guardian, The Observer and The Independent, winning numerous accolades, including Columnist of the Year 2003 and the 2001 Orwell prize for journalism. He has appeared on the satirical TV current affairs programme Have I Got News For You and made radio broadcasts on historical topics
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Just a question to Savo and others who question the validity of war (any war). Say you have a country in chaos, with various ethnic groups slaughtering and visiting untold horror upon each other, and you have a state with the military strength to occupy that country and run it better, ending the attendent massacres, child soldiers and rapes through impartial foreign administration? What if said nation is under a brutal dictator who gasses his own citizens? In both cases, I can't help but think that the response of any reasonable person must be 'Yes', because standard of living and safety are far more important than change being led by the natives of the country. As such, foreign intervention is not something to be railed against and if this is Imperialism, then it is peoples attitudes towards the imperial concept and not towards intervening in foreign brutalisty that need to be reveiwed.
Henry Hill, Berkhamsted, UK
Fortunately this geneartion will not be the ones writing the real history books about Iraq and Saddam, cooler heads will prevail on both sides 40 years from now. It takes another generation, without the media and poitical spin, frenzy, for the facts to come out and for peole to be able to look at something more objectively than the here and now.
People should read what Saddam did in the his rise to power, consolidation of power and how he stayed in power, before saying anything. The similarities between Saddam, Hitler, Mao and Stalin, even Castro, are chilling.
John W, Fort Worth, USA
A thoughful article.
For those who ask how can we ever justify invasion? Or why are we to judge the cost? The answer is, there is no one else.
Consider Rawanda. The west had a choice, intervene or not. The coudn' t have a plebiscite or do polling to determine the will of the people. In the end we didn't intervene and our non-intervention had great cost.
Now there is a view that nations are not responsible for what they don't do. That the west's hands are clean with respect to Rawanda. In fact, had we intervened, there would have been usual cries that everything was the fault of intervention and things would have been fine otherwise. I think this is a cop-out. One can cite all the principals one want, but one can't realy claim to care about people actually dying.
Sure this policy will get it wrong and blunder, but not intervening has be considered when looking at wrongs and blunders.
D. Summers, Menlo Park, CA, USA
I would say that 150,000 Iraqis killed in the liberation of their country from continuation of Saddams/Batthist totalitarian dictatorship is a price that "we" judge at our peril.
Who are you or I to judge this price? Only Iraqis can judge it. And I say we will only know their judgement in time, even more than we have head.
Every dead person is to be regretted, wheteher killed by a US smart weapon, an insurgents home made bomb strapped to a mentally ill person, one of Saddams henchmens bare hands or malnutrition and disease due to UN sanctions
It is what these deaths are FOR that matters. Iraq is free, democratic and yes, under attack. If I were an Iarqi I would think the liberation of my country was a fine thing to die for if the alternative was bondage. Still, I do not presume to judge, I await the Iraqis view Do you? Listen to the journalists desperate to write a "conclusion" for Iraq. Iraq is free, a new Middle East is beingborn, and those that opposed now need a "story
mike, Newmarket, UK
How can you support attack on any country? Only crusaders and 'blessed' Tony and George took justice swords in their hands and attacked other countries.
We know how crusaders finished and what they accomplished. Now we can see what T&B accomplished:
- Afghanistan is nothing but a waste of human lives and money,
- Iraq is the same, with the only difference that they hope (Tony & George & Co) that one day the oil will repay it all (of course not to soldiers who are wasted or lost limbs).
I believe that T&G&Co are not much worried, because they know that they can make it worse whenever they want. They can attack few more countries with the same excuse and we will forget about Iraq.
Savo, London, UK
We told you so that the plan was for occupation and control of the oil-- a point that has never been contradicted by any event or leaked document. Saddam's crimes and WMD were never the issue-- you wouldn't expect them to be to a US administration composed of Reaganites who supported him and supplied the weapons. If it mattered, Saddam would have received a proper trial, and the US army would have departed as soon as he was executed, and not stayed to run the economy into the ground. Unfortunately, it means that the US would have to give back its war gains and pay reparations, which is something they're never going to do-- that's real realpolitik.
Julian Todd, Liverpool,