David Aaronovitch: For the war
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Dear Matthew,
Oh, I’m not inviting you to forget about the past, it’s just that – now, five years on – I’m disinclined to go there with you. We have said everything useful we have to say about the decision to invade, and not just once but dozens of times. That this stuff is having its effect on us is evidenced by the fatigue in our language. American imperialism? Leave that to Tariq Ali, Matthew – the Yanks don’t want an empire. That temporary freemasonry, the neocons?
Surely the people who really messed this up were the old cons, such as Cheney and Rumsfeld. Unilateralism? I never knew you were such a fan of the UN and the EU.
Let me elaborate. If George Bush and Tony Blair had turned round in early 2003 and – in oracular style – told me how long and bloody this would all be, then I would never have gone for it. But I am afraid that is not the same thing as saying either that it was the wrong thing to do, or that the long-term consequences will be disastrous. It may not have been and they may not be.
This is a hard equation, since so many Iraqis have died, and in the end the judgment – for me – will be mostly theirs to make. You raise the question of the deaths of our Service personnel in Iraq but might note (not that it detracts one tiniest bit from the individual loss) that 175 have been killed in Iraq in five years, compared with, say, 258 killed for the Falklands in six weeks. Your key words are, “all to no purpose”. But that is precisely the thing that you do not know. Arguably, one consequence of the invasion of Iraq was the accelerated abandonment by Libya of its WMD programme. How would you compute that?
You state as though it is a fact culled from a God-given Book of Facts that compared with, say, September 10, 2001, the US and Britain have lost traction in the world. I think that’s very far from clear. Can you imagine any state consciously allowing its territory to be used as a base from which to launch terrorist attacks on the West?
As of today, postsurge, for all the dangers and dead archbishops, the wantaway Kurds and the want-in Iranians, there seems a reasonable prospect of a largely democratic Iraq that constitutes no threat to its neighbours.
Perhaps it’s war-tiredness, perhaps it’s just a lull, or perhaps – at a huge cost – we’re getting what we fought for, and what soldiers died for.
What we still don’t have, however, is an agreement about how best to police the world, and whose job it is to provide the gendarmes. We can see some of the consequences of that in Afghanistan, others in Darfur. By this time next year, with a new American president, perhaps we can reopen that discussion – whether or not pro-war British journalists have apologised to everyone’s satisfaction.
See you there, I hope,
David
David Aaronovitch is a writer, broadcaster and commentator on international politics and the media. He writes for The Times Comment page on Tuesdays. He has previously written for The Guardian, The Observer and The Independent, winning numerous accolades, including Columnist of the Year 2003 and the 2001 Orwell prize for journalism. He has appeared on the satirical TV current affairs programme Have I Got News For You and made radio broadcasts on historical topics
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To the people criticising Aaronovitch for his 'if I'd only known' stance, it is a legitimate one. One of the key factors determining the chaos in today's Iraq was the US administator in the period directly after the invasion dissolving the Iraqi army, which simply walked away taking what weapons and ammo it could carry and leaving the rest to the rebels. Any sane administration would merely have taken over the task of paying it, and the violence and instability would be much reduced. I can't imagine any of the war's supporters imagined so monumental an error would be made, I know I certainly didn't.
To be honest though, Owen from London, the 'campaign' was actually conducted by military generals rather than the President, as most wars conducted by democracies are.
Henry Hill, Berkhamsted, UK
"If only we knew then what we know now" just doesn't cut it. Where was all this guilt and humanity say five years ago? Have the MSM suddenly grown a backbone or developed a conscience, or this simply the Manchester United syndrome? You know, the desire to be on the winning side. Just good business, right?
Andrew Milner, Yokohama, Japan
David,
Imperialisum and Hegemony both refer to a domination of another territory or people. To Liberate is to set free from oppression. In the past the US Liberated countries like France and the Phillipines and with it's allies defeated Germany and Japan. In none of these did the US dominate but instead helped to rebuild these countries. I believe that in the end you will find that we will do the same in Iraq. We have no need to expand our borders only to protect them.
Jackson, Seattle, USA
Why do counts, graphs and pictures of dead or maimed civilians in Iraq begin with the in 2003? The commentaries on politics in Iraq acknowledge that the divisions driving much of the violence pre-date the invasion. Could we not have an indication of the "normal" level of political violence in Iraq?
PeterRobertH, Portsmouth, UK
"If George Bush and Tony Blair had told me how long and bloody the war in Iraq would be, then I would never have gone for it"
Riiiiight David, so you trusted Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George 'Dubya' Bush to run a successful campaign?
I am fed up to the back teeth of the war's supporters suddenly saying 'oh well, if we'd have known..', you were fully warned of the consequences but dimissed the critics as 'anti-american'.
Owen, London, UK
And the reason why we don't have an agreement about who should police the world, David, is because the one organisation that could be capable of carrying out this task has been fundamentally weakened by this ill-advised military jaunt, which you fully supported.
Owen, London, UK
Much has been said about the crimes of the Coalition five years on. Would we have been agonising so much about the crimes of Saddam had he been left in power?
Stan Rosenthal, Haywards Heath, West Sussex, England
David Aaronovitch writes "American imperialism? Leave that to Tariq Ali, Matthew â the Yanks donât want an empire."
If one writes for such a paper of significance as the London Times, and with relevance to the Iraq war, I would expect him to be familiar with at least the most important facts about which he may opine.
Mr. Aaronovitch seems to be totally unaware by his editorial comment of perhaps the single most important document in such regard, being the notorious "Project for a New American Century". It specifically lays out a rational for what can easily be called American military hegemony, if you care to avoid the term imperialism. The Bush administration was saturated in the highest places of policy with signatories of this thesis.
He may change his mind if he reads PNAC.
tarquinis, Seattle, USA
David - you talketh too much !!!
Ian Payne, WALSALL,