Stephen Pollard: Thunderer
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So now I know. It’s taken me until this weekend to discover the real reason that I’m two stones heavier than I should be. There I was, thinking it was because for most of my adult life I ate too much and took no exercise.
What a relief to discover from the Public Health Minister, no less that it’s not my responsibility. When I stuffed that extra piece of rye bread in my mouth this morning, I wasn’t to blame. The man with whom I need to remonstrate is the chap who sold me the loaf and didn’t point out that if I eat too much of it I’ll get fat. As for the waiter who let me eat two pieces of cheesecake when I went out for my 14th birthday and never once told me to be careful; there’s a 28-year grudge I ought to bear.
According to reports yesterday, Caroline Flint, the aforementioned Minister, has threatened the drinks industry that if it does not agree to put a warning label on every bottle of wine saying “Know your limits”, and then demanding that women should “Avoid alcohol if you are pregnant or trying to conceive”, then she will consider legislating to force them.
We have, of course, been here before. Cigarette packets now contain the message “Smoking kills”. And quite so, just as excessive drinking is dangerous.
But danger is inherent in almost every aspect of human existence. Running out into the middle of the road without looking, talking into a mobile phone in the street, having valuables in view; all can be dangerous if a car suddenly appears, if a mugger is following or if a thief is on the lookout. No one, surely, suggests that we need messages to warn us against such behaviour.
Have you been to the cinema recently? Alongside the glossy multimillion-pound ads for cars, for mobile phones and for all sorts of valuables are glossy multimillion-pound ad campaigns warning us against . . . running out into the middle of the road without looking, talking into a mobile phone in the street, having valuables in view. Ads we pay for as taxpayers, the sole purpose of which is to instruct idiots not to behave like idiots.
Ms Flint is merely carrying on in the same vein. If she really expects drinkers who are unaware of the deleterious consequences of their excessive drinking to pick up a bottle, notice the warning label and see the error of their ways, then she has a touching, albeit deeply misguided, view of idiots and their idiotic behaviour.
To function properly, a society requires its members to be responsible for their actions. For all the apparently frivolous stupidity of this latest proposal, its implications are profound, emanating in a philosophy that holds not only that government knows best but that it can indeed, must take responsibility for the behaviour of its citizens.
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Stephen Pollard has hit the nail on the head. My wife and I were only just discussing this topic last night after watching an advert that urges people not to make a phone call if you think the other person might be driving.
The ad features a wife calling her husband, who is driving and talking on the phone until he crashes.
How is the wife supposed to know he is driving? Surely if any public money is going to be spent on something like this, the ad should be aimed at the idiot who answers the phone in his car without hands-free?
Richard Palmer, Petersfield, England
I sincerely fear for this sinful world, where few people under the aegis of western powers want to rule the world at all cost Anyway, may God help.
segun ajayi, lagos, Nigeria
In The Times Budget Supplement on page 2 it shows expenditure as - Social Protection £161bn, - Health £104bn -Education £77bn. What is Social Protection, by far the largest expenditure? I can find no reference to this massive item in any of the papers or comments. What does it include?
Ben Cochrane, Cheltenham,
The only people who are not idiots are those laughing all the way to the bank with the money they make off the ads. Quit whining and rid the place of the neopuritan busybodies who make society so uncivilized.
Joe Yull, Healdsburg, California
jerym omits to mention the need for early education by parents (or those in loco parentis) in the basics of responsible behaviour. Schools are too often expected to fill the gaps left by inadequate parents.
pob, London,
The unintended consequence of all these Government-as-Nanny messages will be a citizenry that learns to tune out pretty much anything the government has to sayif they haven't done so already.
rob earl, new york, ny, USA
The solution to this is the same as for many of the other problems in our society. Early education in infant & primary schools in the basics of responsible behaviour in life.
jerym, caerphilly, u.k.
Scotland has a whole series of ads designed to stop people from drinking too much, smoking and eating unhealthily. They were commissioned about five years ago, and a study done about 2 years ago found that, in fact, there had been no change in Scottish eating, drinking and smoking habits. In fact, I believe that they found more people had taken up smoking.
I look forward to the day when going to the cinema does not involve 10 minutes of mind-numbingly violent ads about drunk people climbing scaffolding and children being hit by cars. That's not what I go to the movies to see.
Lisa, London,
When he says " Ads we pay for as taxpayers, the sole purpose of which is to instruct idiots not to behave like idiots", Stephen Pollard doesn't quite get it right.
He should have said "Ads we pay for as taxpayers, the sole purpose of which is to pay idiots to instruct idiots not to behave like idiots."
HJ, Reading, UK
Perhaps during the next general election Labour party flyers should be rquired to carry the message "Warning. This party are intent on denying your autonomy and mean to leglislate around any sense of individual responsiblity you may have." Why is it that governments and political parties are not required to advertise the dangers that they pose, be they military, economic, social or moral? The Labour party seem to have nothing but condescending contempt for the very public that, of their own free will, elected them to begin with.
John-Mark Glover, Mid Calder,
Please don't bother asking Ian Whittell to report on anymore football matches involving West Ham United. He is clearly unable to keep his prejudices under control.
As a West Ham fan I fully agree that both our goals at Blackburn would not have stood if replay technology had been used. But to widen the debate from two bad decisions into the financial implications for several premier league clubs is completely ridiculous.
What about the cost of other decisions that have gone against West Ham? What about other penalty decisions throughout the Premiership this season? Time and time again we see the benefits teams get from their players falling over in the penalty area. West Ham have been awarded two penalties all season. Many other teams must be close to double figures. The many decisions that have gone the way of Everton, Man U and Arsenal etc will have a far greater impact on how the Premierships profits are distributed this year than one result involving the bottom club.
Paul Mitchell, Perranporth, UK
I think the number of adverts/warnings concerning 'common-sense' issues is completely over the top. The money would be better spent on the simplification of government communications on issues more central to public administration, such as the benefits and healthcare systems. We can't and shouldn't be constantly hand-holding.
Alice Casey, Islington,
We are way ahead of you, here in the States... (we call it nanny government)... everytime a kid wanders away from home, my cable TV is interrupted for 3 minutes, warning me to be on the alert... no matter it's 500 miles from where I live! Worse yet., we have practice runs that last 3 minutes, also! No lost kid, just tuning the system up! Just in case!) Soon we will be able to sue the guy who made us fat! Oh joy! Beer and wine bottles were labeled for years "The State of California has found this to be carcinogenic.. or teratogenic..."... some such thing... the obvious conclusion: Don't drink it in California! Go across the state line and you will be safe!
Tony Francis , Wichita, KS/USA
I've sometimes disagreed with Stephen Pollard but this time I reckon he's spot-on. Is there any evidence that smokers take any notice of the warnings on packets? But worse than Ms Flint's threat is the clear hint from an "expert" last week that, just because some people can't drink responsibly, we should all pay more for our alcohol, despite the huge duty it already carries - in my case, for the pleasure of a couple of glasses of wine with my meal.
Barry, Wallington, UK
Reference the warnings on cigarette packs, a long and painful death is more likely to be caused by a New Labour government hectoring us for ever on the dangers of living
Minnie Ovens, Los Angeles, CA, USA
Oh I don't know, the sort of warnings you might get could be quite amusing like the ones on cigarette packets are. Take for example the "Smokers may die a long and painful death", this is a possibility but whats more likely is a very quick and massive coronary, however not smoking and staying fit and healthy will pretty much guarantee me a very long and painful drawn out death with dementia to boot.
You just need to see the funny side.
Rob, Birmingham, UK
It used to be called 'common sense', which appears to be a very rare commodity these days.It goes back to the first years of life. Parents should instil good values and the ability to use good old common sense into their children before they attend any formal schooling. There would then be less need for many of these asinine warning labels.
Peter, Brixham, Devon