Thunderer: Ross Clark
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Only one thing came faster and more furious than the TGV that set a new world record of 357mph between Paris and Strasbourg on Tuesday: the carping from this side of the Channel. Don’t French taxpayers realise they have been ripped off, the TGV critics assert: the new line has cost them €5 billion, and is a white elephant introduced in spite of official predictions that it will never make a profit.
I am not always a fan of the French way of doing things. Their agricultural subsidies stink and the bureaucracy imposed on small French businesses is beyond parody. But can’t we just have the good grace to admit that railways are something that the French do right and we do appallingly? Only €5 billion (£3.54 billion) for a brand new 285-mile, high-speed railway line? That is less than half the £7.6 billion that British taxpayers spent on new signals on the existing London to Glasgow line, which enabled the maximum speed of trains on the line to be raised from 110mph to, er, 125mph. What do we have to show for the money? The sprawled wreckage of one of Sir Richard Branson’s Pendolino trains, which jumped the tracks because of a faulty set of points and plunged down an embankment in Cumbria in February.
The difference is that the French spend their rail investment money on engineering while we spend ours on consultants’ fees, legal bills, diversity officers, £1.1 million in bonuses for the directors of Network Rail and just about anything other than physically building railways. The result is a bizarrely inflated cost of running trains which is costing taxpayers four times as much in subsidy as before privatisation. On the same days that the record-breaking TGV set off to Strasbourg, Network Rail announced a £2.4 billion plan to improve Britain’s railways. What are we getting for the money? A few extended platforms, a few miles of doubled track in Staffordshire and a new 15-mile line from Bathgate to Airdrie in Scotland. An extra platform at King’s Cross alone is projected to cost £15 million. Presumably at that price it will be paved with ivory, and adorned with lamp standards finished in gold leaf.
And still it costs passengers 55p a mile to travel from London to Manchester three times as much as it costs to travel from Paris to Calais. No one likes to poke fun at the French more than I do, but on this occasion I am humbled: I only wish I had been there on Tuesday, on an overbridge near Reims, to throw my beret into the air with pride as the record-breaking TGV sped below.
Much as I approve of privatisation, where pragmatism demands it, we would have been better selling British Rail lock, stock and bogie to the Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Français.
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The TGV is an achivement to be proud of. £23 first class Paris to Toulouse is excellent value by anybody's standards but the carriage is still only half full. The trains on country routes are extraordinary ugly lacking the style of BR diesels from the 1960's.
I still don't understand why the Treasury now spends twice as much on subsidising Network Rail & Co. as it did in BR days considering passenger numbers have steadily increase. It does appear that all they are paying for is consultants who deliver nothing but cost. Why is that Mr Brown?
Spencer Hall, Bristol, UK
The TGV is very good to get to the major cities, but if you're travelling to a small town, it still takes ages to get there. I think the prices are too high in France, especially for a student. Almost 60 (40 pounds) for a return ticket from Lille to Paris in an hour. If I travel from Southampton to London (about 1h50) I can pays as little as 13 pounds. Still would be great to have faster trains in the UK though :-)
ICF, Lille, France
Dear British friends
I will try my best to make you understand that the French Railways ( SNCF ) is not the TGV only, I use to travel by raiwails all over France, and I give you my word that except the TGV, French Railwails are exactly as your. The difference is that our taxes pay the Glory to be the faster in Europe.. I am living in the South of France and the railway is worse the railway I have used to go from Brighton to London, really, no smell of piss, no problem with strange people and so on. Please go in France and travel outside of Paris and you will realise the reality is diferent.
Friendly
P.L.
Ortu, Conques ( 11600 ), France
at least in france the trains run on time!!.
keith jones, champcol, France
French trains are famously very late and very unreliable. It is simply a case of the grass seeming greener on the other side [of the Eurotunnel].
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The Bicycling Chameleon, Kent, UK,
It's simple - for the last half-century or so, British governments have been anti-public transport. Because they don't like it, they feel able to ignore the millions who use it. Rail users may have a little moan when the fares go up, but they're much less of a worry than motoring groups, lorry drivers and farmers with their tractors, who can physically block the country's arteries if they're upset. As for buses, only kids, old fogeys or idiots use them - people who can safely be ignored. In a rational world spending on public transport would have a high priority, because its users are either not using the congested and polluted roads at all (rail) or using them far more economically by travelling together (buses). But British transport policy is hardly noted for its rationality.
Barry, Wallington, UK
Yes the "speed train system" (TGV) in France works fine even if the TGV 2nd class has little room for your legs if you are taller than...5. 9 !
But the rest of the railway system in French is very poor if compared to Germany or Switzerland.
That speed record is perfectly useless . No way the railway system can use extreme speed permanently because the lines would need extremely expensive maintenace. It was just another show of French Cocorico in a presidential votation year.
Yet the British railway system is very bad,
Luckily you don't have as many strikes as the French do.
bubuda, Lausanne, Switzerland
At least you HAVE passenger rail service in the UK, more or less. Here is the US, we have to drive half the width of Britain just to get to a train station, in the middle of the night, to get on the one train per day.
Once the price of petrol reaches $20/gallon, the people in the US will really regret letting our passenger rail service deteriorate in favor of automobiles and airlines.
Stefan Stackhouse, Black Mountain, NC, US
"The difference is that the French spend their rail investment money on engineering â while we spend ours on consultantsâ fees, legal bills, diversity officers, £1.1 million in bonuses for the directors of Network Rail and just about anything other than physically building railways. The result is a bizarrely inflated cost of running trains"
Exactly! But don't restrict your observations to our railways. This is what happens everywhere, throughout our entire economy. And the reason that it happens is that we have encouraged the focus of much of the working population to be on producing income for themselves, irrespective of whether they are actually supplying anything of value. We have been conditioned to believe that our "worth" is unquestionably equivalent to our income, so we never have to ask ourselves the awkward question "what have I done to justify my lifestyle?" And as a result, social success is measured increasingly in terms of how efficient we are at blood-sucking.
Simon Stephenson, Windermere, UK
Love to hear more about the slow, noisy, unreliable trains HJ..as I have not as yet come across them (as a rule)..and maybe take into account that non TGV users are still afforded extremely aggressive prices - unlike the grass smoking offers available in Britain..article rather spot on, I'm afraid..
Jody McStravick, Viroflay, France
"Most French trains are slow, noisy and unreliable compared to ours."
I lived in France for 15 years, have been back in England for 12; and that is far from my experience (Unreliable?! If I have an appointment I now catch the train an hour earlier than I should need to; and that's usually late, or even cancelled).
I wonder how long HJ lived in France using French trains regularly?
Does his knowledge of how most French feel about the TGV come from talking to a lot of French people (in French?) Or just from the UK tabloids?
D Hackett, Bath,
As bad it you think it is, try traveling by rail in the US. Only the Northeastern Corridor is a viable commercial option and the airlines enjoy their monopoly on transportation in the less densely populated Western States. It can take up to 3 days to travel between Chicago and Dallas on Amtrak, or a mere 3 hours by plane. At least y'all have realized that rail can be an offordable comfortable way to travel and create some competition for the short haul air carriers.
Glenn, Dallas, TX USA
SNCF also goes on strike repeatedly. On average I would say there is a strike on some part of France's railways once a month.
Francis, Near Cannes, France
On Monday evening it took 7hrs 30mins to travel the 47Km between London Fenchurch Street and Pitsea, so the TGV announcement the following day held a particular sense of irony. I enjoy travelling on French railways. I can't say the same for UK ones.
LJI , Pitsea, Essex UK
I rather suspect that French rail users who do not use the TGV (i.e the vast majority of them) might disagree. Most French trains are slow, noisy and unreliable compared to ours.
HJ, Reading, UK