Melanie McDonagh
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Transparency is a wonderful thing but it has its limits. The problem lies in interpreting the thing disclosed. Take the new Equality Bill. Harriet Harman, the Minister for Women, has said that the Government will oblige private sector companies to publish figures showing their gender pay gap, as a way of shaming them into paying women more. It's a safe bet it'll turn out that, per capita, men get paid significantly more than women. Cue for Ms Harman to return to the Today programme to talk about glass ceilings.
She was eloquent yesterday, telling us that a part-time women worker is paid 40 per cent less than her full-time male equivalent. Movingly, she asked: “Do we think she is 40 per cent less intelligent, less committed, less hard-working, less qualified? It's not the case. It's entrenched discrimination.”
Well, no, if you put it like that. But try turning the matter round. If you compare that intelligent, hard-working woman, not with a full-time male equivalent, but a part-time male worker, you know what you find? She's paid more. In the year to April 2007, according to the Office for National Statistics, weekly median gross earnings for a woman working part-time are £145.60; for a man, £137.80. Is the part-time male less committed, less intelligent, etc? Dunno.
Of course, women's pay is less than men's overall. The ONS puts the gap, as measured by median hourly pay, excluding overtime, at 12.6 per cent. Weirdly, the difference was smallest in Northern Ireland, at 2.8 per cent. You never thought of Northern Ireland as a hotbed of feminism, did you?
But the real question is why. And it's not a bit clear that entrenched discrimination is the answer. Women may see lower pay as a reasonable trade-off for having more time to themselves - or, being women, for their children. They may, contrary to government policy, prefer to rear their own children, rather than farming them out to someone else.
The psychologist Susan Pinker asked, in a book titled The Sexual Paradox, and plainly designed to tease, “why females are biologically driven to nurture their young rather than climb the corporate ladder”. Why indeed? But it's a perfectly valid choice if some decide that the rat race isn't for them.
The really interesting comparison isn't between women and men but between single, childless women and men. If you compare women who aren't married or cohabiting with men who aren't married or cohabiting, you know what? The pay gap goes the other way. Hourly pay for the women is £8.82; for men £8.72. The moral is that if women want equal pay, they should give up men and children. Any takers?
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Some rare sense about pay. If a man was continually distracted by and took years off work because of pegnancy and child-care, or was expected to cook and clean up after someone when he came home from work, he would earn less.
Jon, manchester,
Surely, in a 'free market' society, everyone gets paid what they are worth already? (The puzzled physics Phd again).
Eric Skelton, Cardiff, Wales
These wage mandates are like something out of the 1970s, the era Labour seems to be most comfortable in. The figues for pay for single men and women say it all: childcare, not discrimination, is the big problem. Good quality, affordable and reliable childcare is what will boost female pay and status
MB, Edinburgh,
'They may, contrary to government policy, prefer to rear their own children, rather than farming them out to someone else.'
There lies the key to a better society
The 'me first' age has delivered material wealth but a poorer society
John, N Yorks,
What would happen if everybody gave up children?
Pat, Marlborough,
Finally a bit of common sense in looking at the like-for-like figures for a change - not comparing bread with cheese.
Strange how when the figures favour women it's never a case of worrying about discrimination anymore but simply leaving it at that - says a lot about how lop-sided our society is!
PF, London,
Talk about equality? How about a Minister for Men? How about an English Parliament?
Who speaks for the average Englishman? No-one, and yet he is the one who stumps up most of what the revenue the Government fritters away. Harriet, you are the Tories secret weapon.
Tony Pegg, Leicester, England
The lawyers will have a field day when the one legged ethnic minority male pensioner is turned down for promotion because the company want to promote the 30 year old white female.
Ha ha ha. You've got to laugh!
Tony Pegg, Leicester, England
Given a free market in labour those firms that discriminate unfairly will lose out and either be taken over or go bust.
The utilitarian approach of banning wage secrecy clauses, privatising most of the state sector repealing most equality laws and waiting would cut costs and might just work.
edward green, Upminster,
I'm a white heterosexual male and I am currently looking for a job.
Tell me Harriet, do I stand a chance or should I get on the NHS waiting list for gender re-assignment?
So called positive discrimination is still discrimination, however you choose to label it.
Mike, Hackney,
Here's a key to current UK families: "(Women) may, contrary to government policy, prefer to rear their own children, rather than farming them out to someone else. " But think of all the ZaNu Lab apparatchiks who have now have childcare jobs!
PS T Welsh - as a working man, I'd say all of the above.
Jake, London, UK
She wants equality? How about ploughing billions into mens' health to close the life expectancy gap?
i.e., Norwich, England
As a recently retired male teacher, I would like to know what justice lies in the fact that my female colleagues of the same age can now claim state pension, while I have to wait five years.
Surely this extraordinary unfairness should receive SOME publicity? Imagine it the other way round!!
James, Leeds, Leeds, UK
Have you looked at the gender split on poverty? We need to move beyond thinking it is "just natural" and therefore morally quite OK that so many women are poor all their lives. Our system rewards dozing at an office desk far above tasks such as getting children to the school gates ready to learn.
Janey, Norwich,
Harriet Harman wants to equalise private sector pay by levelling upwards.
Meanwhile the Chancellor is telling the private sector to impose severe pay restraints.
Even after eleven years in power the concept of joined-up government still eludes Labour.
Sean, Surrey, UK
But if women turn out to earn more than men, we''ll certainly be told it's because women are more intelligent; or have better "people skills"; or work harder; or all of the above.
Tom Welsh, Basingstoke,
Part time worker are less productive on average than full time workers. It takes the same amount of time to train them, communicate with them and manage them, leaving less time for productive work. That makes them less valuable, all else being equal, to f/t workers and therefore they are paid less.
Helen, Rugby,
You get a few women like Ann Widdicombe who choose to remain single to pursue careers.
However only a handful of careers, like politics, or academia, or the Church, are worth the sacrifice.
Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK
If a woman gets married and does the corporate wife thing on top of having her own career, she'll boost her husband's earnings exponentially, making a much higher combined average. Marrying wisely is a man's best career boost. The key is for both halves of the married team to work in tandem.
Lizzie, London,
Maybe it is not so much attitudes toward women that need to change, but attitudes toward family and work/life balance. Men who refuse to put in the long hours so they can be home with their families in the evening and on weekends are equally closed out of promotions and fat bonuses.
Rebecca McKinney, Lasswade, Scotland
From the naturalistic point of view, people are equal. There are only two exceptions to this rule of naturalistic equality: geniuses and idiots, and we pay the geniuses more, lets face facts, lets not distort the truth, men and women are considered equal, and in allot of ways, women have more rights
Dane Arries, newcastle, northumberland
Re Any Takers? I believe stats show there are many takers for the option you suggest. More and more young women are choosing to remain single & childless in order to pursue a career. I'm older, I married 7 had 2 sons, but now, divorced & childfree, I've gone back to a career and will remain single.
Donna Walker, Effingham, England
Different does not mean unequal. America is looking aghast at your government's proposal -- it is inane, naive or most likely disingenuous to assert that the gender pay gap is the product of discrimination. If there's discrimination, you deal with it; you don't fight it with more discrimination.
Tim Murray, Pittsburgh PA , USA
And that's only for 10p!
You're just taking the Mickey.
Jane, Colchester, GB
Harman compares full-time men with part-time women but does she take into a/c job spec?. Some jobs cannot be part time. For equality, given that there is a Minister for women shouldn't there also be a Minister for Men whereby the post should only be taken by a man (or is that discrimination?)
John Goode, Welwyn Garden City, UK
Any takers? Er, just the odd 10 million (20%) who won't reproduce.
And most of us know fine well that there's no innate pay gap, thanks. It's the coupled, childed, mothers that can't get their heads round this obvious concept.
Vicky, Germany,
Gross 'median weekly rates' are simply irrelevant. The only figures that mean anything are experience-corrected figures for the same job. The further entrenchment of pro-female bigotry in our judicial system continues apace...
Nick, Rotherham, UK