Libby Purves
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You can get a bit depressed, surfing around gathering religion stories for the Times Online Faith blog. Muslim staff in Sainsbury’s are being let off handling alcohol. Some Muslim medical students are refusing to learn about diseases related to booze or promiscuity.
The Archbishop of Mozambique is promoting chastity by saying that European-made condoms are deliberately infected with HIV. A mosque in Toronto has ordered its faithful never to wish people Happy Birthday or join in Thanksgiving, Hannukah or Christmas parties, because: “How can we bring ourselves to congratulate or wish people well for their disobedience to Allah?”
All of which – bear with me – sends me fleeing back for comfort to an evening in September, in the little village of Laxfield in Suffolk. It was the climax of a two-day festival: not a harvest-home or the final fête of summer, but something more unusual and resonant. The Laxfield Festival of Tolerance is held annually in honour of a shoemaker called John Noyes, who 450 years ago this September was rash enough to express the Protestant view that the host at Communion was not the actual body of Christ.
It was 1557, near the end of the short, savage reign of Bloody Mary, who tried to reverse the tide of Protestantism by burning more than 300 people at the stake for dissent (a few years earlier or later, of course, the shoe was on the other foot and Catholics got executed for treason). Noyes, as a shoemaker, probably met a wider variety of people than many villagers, and as a self-employed craftsman he had his pride. Anyway, he stuck to his guns and was imprisoned, tried, and sentenced to burn at the stake in his home village.
Whereon the villagers of Laxfield, many of whom undoubtedly were Catholic believers, got together in protest and extinguished their cottage fires. In the days before matches, this was a considerable inconvenience as well as a political risk (John Jarvis of Norwich got whipped naked round the market and put in the stocks, just for making a disrespectful remark about the executioners on the day). But the village thought the domestic upheaval and the risk well worth it for the trouble their rebellion caused the execution team.
In the end the man with the faggot had to break in to the one house where a chimney still smoked, to light it. Noyes died, but Laxfield had made its point in stubborn Suffolk style. You don’t doom a man for what he believes, even if you think he’s wrong. You don’t let a neighbour be persecuted, even if he’s not of your faith. Thus 450 years later Laxfield holds a festival of tolerance to show solidarity with those long-dead ancestors.
Which brings me back to that sense of icy rage at modern intolerance, accepted and even sometimes encouraged in the name of delicacy or diversity. Sainsbury’s are allowing Muslim check-out staff to opt out of touching even sealed bottles containing alcohol. Worse, some Muslim medical students refuse to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases, and a few will not help patients of the opposite sex. The BMA and GMC confirm that such demands are being made. They have been turned down; moreover, the Muslim Council of Britain and the Muslim Doctors and Dentists Association condemn the requests and say rather nicely: “The prophet said, Learn about witchcraft but don’t practise it.”
But there it is: a terrible self-righteous minority who must not be indulged: not ever, not at all. Myself, I would not only fail such students but demand repayment of all the money spent on their training.
This is not an Islamophobic observation; intelligent Muslim scholars distance themselves from this nonsense. They also say the shopworkers “exploiting and misusing” Sainsbury’s goodwill. It is also not Islamophobic because precisely the same applies to Christians – who also have been known to behave with disgraceful intolerance, and not only in the 16th century.
Last week’s statement by the Archbishop of Mozambique, Francisco Chimolo, that condoms are secretly infected is downright wicked. Simply because his co-religionists believe that fidelity and abstinence are the best life, the Archbishop utters nonsense like: “I know that there are two countries in Europe, they are making condoms with the virus on purpose . . . they want to finish with the African people.” He also claims that retroviral drugs sent from Europe to help Aids victims are infected with HIV. Similarly, there are US Christian charities that will not help African prostitutes; and closer to home, we have had plenty of soi-disant Catholic and Protestant Irish bombers who thought it fine to kill innocents, and clerics who did not condemn them.
Tolerance does not imply weakness or a lack of personal belief. Tolerance, as Laxfield would have it, is a sign of strength. It says: “My faith and principles, are not threatened by your disagreement. Go in peace, find your own way.” In the caring professions, in medicine and charity, a refusal to do anything for those you deem sinners is not far off from the spirit that would send them to the stake. It is not cultural diversity: it is a horror.
Luckily, carrying on across the chatter of the worldwide web with a dispirited investigation of other religions’ views on contraception and Aids and doctors, we chanced upon Rabbi Yitzchok Breitowitz, and this gem of calm, religious kindliness: “Any case of sickness, whether Aids, cancer, or heart disease, may or may not be a divine punishment, but that is God’s business, not ours. The Torah requires that we not stand by idly while others suffer.” Muslims, Christians, please copy.
Libby Purves worked for some years for BBC Radio 4, as a reporter and a presenter on the Today programme and, since 1983, has presented Midweek. She joined The Times as a columnist in 1990. She received an OBE in 1999 for her services to journalism and was Columnist of the Year in the same year. In her spare time she writes bestselling novels. Her opinion column appears in the The Times on Mondays
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Equality is the big question here. So what is the big problem and big deal. Equality for all within each country and under it's rules and laws. Only stupid stupid stupid people are capable of complicating this issue. Equality means all people abide by equal rules, no exceptions. If exceptions are made there is already no longer equality. So stick by equality. That is that! Now a different problem is that new rules have already been granted to persons of the jewish faith in the past, like their own courts and rulings within the UK. I simply suggest also take these rulings back and start again with EQUALITY. And keep EQUALITY real. Forget politeness toward those who are not also polite. Do you think the muslim world will well come the rest of the world in their home countries and agree to make special exceptions? Think again, darlings! Respect all. One world, one people, one world is enough for all of us, the power of one, unity, piece, freedom and one love.
Timothy, London, Corporation of
I agree with the article. It's about time that we see things from a neutral perspective. Instead of worrying about offending minorities, we need to open our eyes and look at their intolerance for some of our beliefs. Yes we (non-muslims) should tolerate them, however in return, they (musims) need to be able to do the very same thing; No special privledges.
Chris J, Coffs Harbour, Australia, NSW
It isn't possible to be racist against Muslims any more than it is possible to be racist against canoeists.
Paul Caira, London,
Living in Egypt as a foreigner has certainly opened my eyes to problems that the International Muslim community are facing which we as so called westerners have had for years.
I was horrified to hear that some Muslim medical students were rejecting certain courses due to religeous views.
There are approximately 2 million homeless Egyptian chilren living on the streets in Cairo and Alexandria, many of them from Muslim families.
It is well know that these youngsters often turn to drugs and promiscuity to survive the conditions.
These medical students are turning heir backs on their own people in the name of religeon and in the end it will justified with good Muslims versus bad Muslims.
Cairo, Egypt
Cassandra, Cairo, Egypt
With regard to Andy Brown's comments, I think the author is very aware that religion is not the source of all intolerance - she merely highlights these points because this is a faith blog, after all.
Intolerance is defined by one's own religion in it's holy books but how it is followed is completely up to the individual and his/her interpretations, hence the ability of people of any religion able to murder others in the name of their own God. it is up to the state to set the limits of this when it becomes a disruption to a national institution such as the NHS. Hippocratic oath, anyone?? As for the Sainsbury's workers - does it state anywhere that it is forbidden to touch bottles? As long as alcohol is not consumed they are still on their way to a peaceful afterlife.
Gareth, Birmingham, UK
I see a number of problems with this article...
1) It perpetuates the myth that somehow all intolerance is driven by religion. In fact atheists are as intolerant as anyone else and the politically correct 'liberals' are intolerant of anyone else who holds an alternative viewpoint.
2) It muddles up religion with politics and power etc. Northern Ireland is a classic case. The IRA never claimed to be waging a religious war (Christian jihad) but a political war against the British. To use them as an example of religious intolerance is clearly false.
3) Who defines intolerance? At what point do someones religious beliefs become intolerant? If someone believes that homosexual sex is wrong they are automatically called intolerant, in fact they may just believe it is wrong and may be far more tolerant than the gay rights activist who cannot stand someone taking an alternative view on the matter.
Andrew Brown, derby, Uk
bonas said "Unless you are a Catholic Priest, you do not possess the power to Change bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ at the Consecration of the Mass".
Are you seriously telling me that you honestly think Catholic Priests DO have the power to change bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ?
Why on earth should anyone take seriously the views of anyone with such ludicrous superstitious beliefs? (and no I'm not singling out Catholics before you claim persecution - you have plenty of Protestant, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu counterparts).
Mark Allen, Nottingham,
A very valid point. The object of religion, is not to compromise a social life, or to throw obstructions in the path of prudence and practicallty.
Diversity should be promoted and celebrated, but this principle
should be subject to the aggregate benefit of society.
However, i cannot agree with the collumist in finding unreasonable, the fact that Muslim supermarket staff are let off from handling alcohol. It is not life-threatening, or anti-social, and iam sure that there would be many other staff who would not mind handling alcohol.
It should be remebered that the booze section is usually 1-2 iasles in a whole store
Any intoxicants, to a practising muslim are to be avoided, including non-consumptive activity i.e it sale, carriage etc
As Muslims beleive that intoxicants have an overall, antisocial effect on society, and from that point of veiw, wish to refrain from any assosiation with it, they should not be penalised for this
As i said it is not life threatening or antisocial.
Sub, Rossendale,
Muslims who object to treating patients on religious grounds shouldn't be allowed to be doctors. Their oath to always do the best for the patient and to take decisions on medical grounds only is a higher duty than to their god. I wouldn't let any doctor who decided on other grounds anywhere near me as he / she couldn't be trusted.
It is about time we stood up and called this for what it is: bigoted bronze-age nonsense. The same applies to any religion that seeks to limit the rights of citizens or humans generally, including Christianity.
James Bannon, Paisley, Scotland
Finally someone speaks good common sense.
Thanks very much, Ms Purves!
Rafal, London,
It is right to be tolerent of others whatever their beliefs. The reverse is too awful to contemplate. If certain people do agree with a persons sexuality they are entitled to that belief but they should hate the person. Love your neighbour I think overides these beliefs anyway but still they entitled to their belief. Otherwise we will be intolerant to them just because we thiink we know better. We woiuld force some people to live as hermits. Of course this is the line of some Atheists who have a bigoted prejudice against religion. So Tolerance should yes practised by all, not just some. Religion or any school of thought should not be a private matter just because some people find to be aborant. We live a free society and I hope thats the way it stays.
Steven, Buckhurdt Hill,
Religious belief is a private matter. Who cares what anyone believes so long as they don't drag the rest of us into it? When we do get dragged into it, we can only vote with our feet. Sainsburys. to their discredit, is afraid to take a firm line; they fear that there will be reprisals. That's the place to which some religious fanatics have brought us, with our cowardly connivance, I might add: a situation in which we have to put up with their demands while meekly accepting their disdain. Well, you can if you want to. Count me out.
anne, bournemouth,
Being a stern atheist, if I worked in a commercial retailers surely I would have no right to complain about not serving goods tied to a religion, such as christmas crackers and easter eggs.
Also being a physics mentor, i would not be allowed to refuse to teach a religious student.
ergo, why am i not allowed to practice my way of life?
Daniel, Manchester, UK
Tolerance is not a belief. It does not require some immutable set of laws laid down by an elusive figure who does not live on this planet. It is about human beings who are not committing crimes being able to live freely. To not be told that you are immoral or disgusting to others is a central tenet of tolerance. And tolerance does not mean to put up with something objectionable. It means that you appreciate that your values and ideas and morals are good enough to understand that others live good and decent lives whilst not living exactly the same as you. Disgust of criminality and paedohpiles is as common to gay people as it is to evangelical Christians and Muslims. The difference is that gay people do not equate Evangelism or Islam with paedophilia in an effort to promote their own moral superiority. That is tolerance. Evangelical Christians and Muslims cannot be said to reflect that tolerance. They are therefore intolerant.
PSF, London, UK
Putting aside all the verbosity about religion, it's simple really. Anyone applying for a job, or considering studying for a profession, should at the outset raise any concerns with the recruitment people, who should make clear what the work involves for it to be done properly and in the interests of the customer/client/patient. Anyone not prepared to do what the job demands should not be employed in that capacity.
Barry, Wallington, UK
Tolerance spans much more than just religion, but it is always religion we are told to tolerate. Why?
If I say I hate all gays because I'm a Christian, that's OK.
If I just say I hate all gays, then I'm a bigot (and rightly so).
We must absolutely stop allowing hatred and misinformation from those who claim "legitimacy" from "god".
Camilla, Burnley,
I agree with David Richards that the refusal to sell alcohol is not an act of intolerance. It does, however, demand disproportional tolerance from others to take up a job in a shop that sells the stuff and then and then refuse to do what is my job there.
If I can't stand the smell of fish I don't accept a job in a fish shop.
Armin Lotze, Lübeck, Germany
So Muslim staff who wish not to handle alcohol in accordance with their beliefs are guilty of intolerance?
One wonders what definition of tolerance is being applied here. Are people only to be regarded as tolerant so long as they do not act on their beliefs?
David Richards, London, United Kingdom
The bible teaches that it is wrong to commit a wrong in order to try to effect good but rather one shoudl do good to defeat evil. IAccordingly, if the comments concerning some errant archibishop in africa are true, he certainly does not represent the Faith.
Simon , Birmingham, UK
I see a number of problems with this article...
1) It perpetuates the myth that somehow all intolerance is driven by religion. In fact atheists are as intolerant as anyone else and the politically correct 'liberals' are intolerant of anyone else who holds an alternative viewpoint.
2) It muddles up religion with politics and power etc. Northern Ireland is a classic case. The IRA never claimed to be waging a religious war (Christian jihad) but a political war against the British. To use them as an example of religious intolerance is clearly false.
3) Who defines intolerance? At what point do someoneâs religious beliefs become intolerant? If someone believes that homosexual sex is wrong they are automatically called intolerant, in fact they may just believe it is wrong and may be far more tolerant than the gay rights activist who cannot stand someone taking an alternative view on the matter.
4) The whole tone of the article was a little intolerant⦠donât you think!
Andrew Brown, derby, Uk
What words of wisdom. Here in Australia, I despair about our reconciliation process that allows hatred of whites to be accepted when i can see on the tv the horrors of living on a mission. Luckily, i get to read your article and it gives me a little bit of hope for the future.
jeffrey graves, dundathu, queensland, australia
Blimey,Bonas 50, in his reply has underlined just what you have been talking about! Long live the heroic spirit of John Noyes ,& the neighbourly support ofhis sensible friends & fellow villagers,Catholics & Protestants all those years ago.
dominic brennan, wimbledon, UK
As a Hindu, I am shocked to read about some Muslim medical students putting religion ahead of their professional obligations. Failing them and making them repay any public funds used for their training is a slap on the wrist. Legislation must be in place to severely penalize those employed in critical public services, who bring religion into their work. This is not an Islamophobic reaction; on the contrary, the actions of Muslim extremists (such as these students) are mostly responsible for causing (equally insane) Islamophobia. Extremists hoping to use tolerance as a cover for their insanity, don't deserve any of it.
Pradeep Navaratnam, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada
Most articles on 'religious intolerance' have become a by-word for their racism against Muslims, usually along the lines of 'If you Muslims don't like it in this country then go back home' which is pretty much what the playground racist bullies used to say to me when it was about us 'Pakis' who were born here. Nowadays, the racists can use a new word ('Muslim') and mean exactly the same thing.
But thank Allah for small mercies, because hey presto - we have an acknowledgement that religious beliefs are not just about Muslims, but do encompass others as well.
Having said that, I don't buy into Purves' argument about Sainsburys because this is is all about market economics. If a certain number of checkout operators are disruptive to business then people will vote with their feet and avoid these businesses. Likewise for doctors who can't perform their duties. This is not about giving in to something, because what people opt not to do is not conditional upon others liking it.
Bilal Patel, London, UK,
Bonas, you shame your own faith, whatever it is.
Ms. Purves, thank you for this intelligent and most timely essay. It was much appreciated. Unfortunately we don't get too many people looking to clear the air by speaking good common sense..
Thank you!
Jenny Perry, Harmony, RI, US
some may argue that no person, wether catholic or protestant, has the power to transmute. Maybe that is where the truth lies ?
Jason, Central Coast ,
One part of the article is true. No host is the Body of Christ in any ceremony by any minister or priest who is not Catholic. The only ones who received the power to change bread and wine into His Body and Blood were the Apostles at the Last Supper. And Popes and Bishops and Priests who followed the long line of succession are still the only ones to receive the power at ordination. If no one likes this , go back to Henry the viii and his unwillingness to accept the Catholic Church's teaching re: divorce. Because his wife couldn't conceive, he insisted he be given a divorce. Of course the Church refused, so Henry started his own church, The church of England. So that is where the truth lies. Unless you are a Catholic Priest, you do not possess the power to Change bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ at the Consecration of the Mass. A Tridentine Mass, I might add.
bonas 50, Sussex, N.J. USA