Matthew Parris
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How often does a leader know, before he asks us for our votes, what office will ask of him? He mouths the promises of the moment but history may have a different task in mind. The role may be glorious, it may be tedious, but - count on this - it will be different.
Barack Obama declares and believes that he will change America, and that this “makes possible incredible change in the world”.
The accent throughout has been on the positive. Making things possible has marked the whole tenor of his campaign. Hope, optimism, ambition, confidence, reform amounting almost to renaissance - such has been his appeal. “Yes, we can” was a cocky, but not an empty slogan. A deep and swelling sense of the possible, focused on America's future but rooted in America's past, has dominated the struggle for the presidency. It would hardly be an exaggeration to call Mr Obama's promise transfigurative.
But maybe destiny has other plans. America's fate in the half-century ahead is not to be transfigured, but to be relegated. Steering your team through a relegation can be as important a test of leadership as handling a promotion, but it is a different test. Though he may not yet know it, the role for which the US President-elect has been chosen is the management of national decline. He will be the first US president in history to accept, and (if he has the gift) to teach, not the possibilities but the constraints of power.
The fate of his predecessor George W.Bush was to test almost to destruction the theory of the limitlessness of American wealth and power - and of the potency of the American democratic ideal too. With one last heave he pitched his country into a violent and ruinous contest with what at times seemed the whole world, and the whole world's opinion. He failed, luminously.
But maybe somebody had to. Maybe we shouldn't be too hard on President Bush for donning a mantle hardly of his own making but a well-worn national idea created in the triumph and hegemony of victory in the Second World War. Maybe somebody had to wear those fraying purple robes one last time and see how much longer the world would carry on saluting; to pull the levers of the massive US economy one last time and see if there was any limit to the cash that the engine could generate; to throw the formidable US war machine into two simultaneous foreign wars and test - and find - a limit.
Eight years later it's haemorrhage, not regeneration, that the Obama presidency will have to nurse as it looks ahead. Europeans tend to consider presidential prospects in terms of US foreign policy - and there's much bleeding still to do in Afghanistan - but the incoming president's dominating concerns will surely be domestic and economic, and the two are spliced.
As a keen amateur car mechanic I have, since the age of 16, been puzzled by something about America. Here was a nation crazy about automobiles and held out to me as the last word in modernity, innovation, capitalist dynamism and go-ahead technology in all that it did. But its cars weren't any good. I say “weren't” - we're talking 1965 here - because some commentary about the current woes of General Motors, Ford and Chrysler has suggested that it is in recent years that the US automotive industry has slipped behind; and it's certainly only quite recently that they've started losing a lot of money.
But the product, though always flashy, has been technologically inferior since the end of Second World War. While European carmakers were pioneering front-wheel drive, independent suspension, small diesel engines and efficient automatic gearboxes, the Americans kept churning out big, thirsty, fast-rusting, primitively engineered behemoths. Partly this was because fuel was cheap, but the oversprung American limo, loose-handling and imprecise, was always a pig to drive, too. At root the problem was lack of competition.
And when I visited America, first as a boy then as a postgraduate student (in the 1970s), what struck me was not the modernity of modern America, but its inefficiency and old-fashionedness. The bureaucracy was Stone Age, the postal service unreliable, medical and dental treatment twice the cost of private treatment in England, and government officials treated you like serfs. People lived richly and worked hard - that was undeniable - but in a parallel universe clumsily and wastefully managed, and beset with internal friction. You couldn't even get a bank account that worked properly outside your state; and, for all the ostentatious vigour of retail competition, there was a curious lack of diversity in product choice. Though infinitely more successful and politically free, it was in some indefinable way more like the Soviet Union than either country would have wished to acknowledge.
What (I now think) I was encountering as early as 40 years ago was an ageing empire, losing its edge, almost imperceptibly losing its immense economic momentum, but still indecently wealthy and impervious to the emerging challenge of competition.
Rather suddenly, all this has caught up with it.
Mr Obama's vision of change - love, brotherhood, welfare, green politics and a new spirit of idealism - could now prove as irrelevant to the challenges a new president finds himself confronting as is David Cameron's early compassionate conservatism to his stern message today.
Both men's first drafts of politics got them to the launch pad; neither will fuel their rockets after lift off.
Instead, Mr Obama will face hard choices about how much of what America does (and what Americans do) can be afforded any longer; the next four years may be the worst possible time for hugely expensive healthcare reforms, a generous helping hand to the world's poor or a new military surge in Afghanistan.
In 2009 the US national debt will surge by $2trillion: some 70 per cent of gross domestic product. In these circumstances the questions must be: What can we cut? Where can we pull out? What can we stop doing that we're doing now? Mr Obama's fight - if fight he must - will be with the forces of economic protectionism, with anti-immigrant sentiment and with organised labour feather-bedding, pension protection and job protection.
But first, and underlying all these scraps, Mr Obama will have to find a way of being honest with Americans about their country's fall from predominance. Reading, as I often do, the furiously chauvinistic online reaction from US citizens to any suggestion that their country can be beaten at anything, I quail for him.
We British know something about the loss of empire. Successive 20th-century prime ministers struggled both to manage relative national decline and to make it explicable to the electorate. It is upon this road that 21st-century American presidents must now set foot. Mr Obama will be the first. “Yes we can!” was an easy sentiment to recommend. “No we can't,” will be a far, far harder thing to say.
Matthew Parris joined The Times as parliamentary sketchwriter in 1988, a role he held until 2001. He had formerly worked for the Foreign Office and been a Conservative MP from 1979-86. He has published many books on travel and politics and an autobiography, Chance Witness, for which he won the 2004 Orwell Prize. His diary appears in The Times on Thursdays, and his Opinion column on Saturdays
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Your sentiments are not new. You clearly detest the country that feeds you. My grandfather came back with stories from
WW I about the Brits and the French who had little use for us
that far back. The future looks bright for the US: Less world
involvement and less immigration sounds good to me.
Guitar Dan, Titusville.Fl, USA
You folks in the US need to stop borrowing so much money from the rest of us to maintain your standard of living.
Doug, Saskatoon, Canada
Doug, even after the large ($2 trillion dollar) stimulus that has been proposed, US national debt will still only be about 70% of GDP. Canada's national debt is at about 82% of its GDP, and this will be much higher after this year of course. It would be nicer if both our countries spent less though.
Jeff Hall, Norwalk, USA
Don't know what planet Mr. Parris visited, but comparing the US to the USSR at anytime is ludicrous. Comparing the decline of Britain to what might or is occurring to the US is beyond approach. One country is a small, resource poor, class ridden place and the other is the complete opposite.
Ray Timm, Jubail, Saudi Arabia
Mr. Parris' sketch of the U.S. showing it to be similar to the U.S.S.R. is too funny to pass without comment. I was in the U.S.S.R. in the 70s, saw the oppressive culture, inefficient business, and just strange society. And of course, the decline of the American empire has been announced repeatedly.
DavidN, Montrose CA, U.S.A.
Many problems to solve, but I'd still rather be in the US than anywhere else in the world. And yes, I have spent time outside of the US, including living in China for 3 yrs, Europe 2 yrs.
Thadeus, if the sheer incompetence is too much, I'm sure the standards in Africa would make you feel at home.
Scott, San Francisco,
The Kinks had a song in the 70's called"Catch me now I Am Falling" regarding the decline of the U.S.
Same thought although not as mean spirited.
Wrong then wrong now.
Simple answer is that European are so far behind the U.S. that they hope we fall so that they night catch up. Simple jealousy.
Doug, Philly, USA
we in the what you people call third world, and especially the muslim world, do not regret the passing of this tyrannous nation that had and is still causing the death and miseries of millions of people in the name of its national interest particularly by supporting dictators.
gomon b gimon, melbourne, australia
I was hired in the US directly from Africa 4 years ago to work in the accounting profession. I have been astonished at the sheer incompetence and unethical behaviour of several of my co-workers. Intimidation and sycophancy is also rife. Sometimes I can't believe this is America.
Thadeus, Clifton, USA
Andrew says that America is "A Christian Nation".
The U.S. may well have started out over 200 years ago as a "Christian nation", but it can no longer be given that distinction. The leading exporter of pornography and violent entertainment, tens of millions of abortions - yes, we ARE in decline.
Phil, USA,
As a Brit living in NYC I think Americans are blinkered sometimes in their belief in the 'innate greatness of America'. However for those brits looking to celebrate their downfall, think about who else on the planet you would like to see replace them. Personally, better them than anyone else!!
Nishul, New York, United States
Fresh off the plane from France I thought it was stone-age too. No public restrooms... antiquated schoolbuses... the public transit was ancient and rickety... etc etc. Later learned they just don't want to pay taxes for that kind of stuff.
Also trains are hours late. Blame that one on a monopoly.
Heather, Tiskilwa, USA
You may be right about the decline, but if what Obama needs to say is "No we can't" it'll NEVER fly. To the American in the street (especially the young American) the acknowledgment of limits is "pathetic."
America is just going to have to implode. It won't admit decline in any other way.
Heather, Tiskilwa, USA
I also think the USA need not fulfill the role of a traditional superpower as it has evolved and delegated some of its task to the UK and Israel.
James, Leicester,
I spent 6 years in europe during the 70's and 80's. I paid 14% vat on everything I bought except food and basic clothing. I drove your fine roads when I could keep my vehicle out of the shop for alignment and suspension repairs. As for your fine autos am I to believe all Brits drive Bently and Rolls
virgil lundy, Union Point, usa
Having lived in Canada for the past 5 years, I can concur that the U.S postal service is woefully slow; American cars are rubbish - hence no one wants to buy them, and yes, there is a distinct lack of product diversity thanks to corporate hegemony and an 'easily pleased' consumer population.
Paul , Vancouver, Canada
Folks in the UK have been predicting an American decline since 1783. Sorry to say, but we're just getting started.
William J., Arlington, Virginia, United States
The USA is not an empire.
Rory, Jersey City,
Measuring GDP without PPP(purchasing parity power) is only 35% of how to measure the average living standard of any citizen. It is caused a reason why American have to borrow so much from other countries to live what thier have told have to live. The well-off of American is a myth-remain a mystery.
John Cabacio, Atlanta, US
Your article is thoughtful but this thread is absolutely hilarious.
Gerard Mulholland, Paris, France
We made a mistake this last century by trying to build outside of our borders, and hopefully we can pull back. This country at our inception was not meant to be an empire, and our Founding Fathers would certainly be angry at our foreign entanglements. Our money should be spent on us, not aid or war.
Laura, WA state - US,
How many times does it have to be pointed out that the U.S.A is not an empire, never was and never wants to be?!
They do, however, have to help bail one European country or other out of jams they cannot get themselves out of on a regular basis.
Go figure....
Gitte Lutzke, Frankfurt, Germany
Having served as a Navy Corpsman with the United States Marine Corps at home and abroad, and now as a veteran I have only this to say. Look at old Glory and then tell me if we are going anywhere. You have to be an american to really understand. God bless you Chesty Puller wherever you are.
J. Adamshaspert, Spokane, USA
America didn't decline after slavery; civil war; the depression; segregation; Vietnam; Watergate; Clinton impeachment; the prosecution of 2 simultaneous wars; countless recessions; market crashes and foreign policy adventures. Unlike some, America can look at itself critically, learn and change.
dimitri, vancouver, canada
And FDR didn't assume power of the U.S. during a decline? Please.
John, Freehold, US
Having lived 65 years, and seeing much of Europe during my US Navy service. I can wholeheartedly say, there is no other place that will compare to the opertunities this country has always afforded me. Do not underestimate the determination of the average Joe American. Look within my friends!
Don Branham, Columbia , USA
I must admit that american people have an inherent positivity and energy that other countries simply don't possess. That should pull them through. Their values are also admirable e.g., freedom. Do you seriously want to see China or Russia as the world's only superpower? You might cry for America.
Thadeus, Clifton, USA
America, Empire In Decline! About time too. America was from it's Foundings warned of "foreign entanglements". John Adams was reluctant to establish a Standing Army of 10,000 (Hamilton got his way) and as for the Navy it's primary purpose was to as a "Wooden Wall". Europe, you are on your own.
Russ, Franklin NC, USA
America, please please please do not listen to the nay-sayers whispering that you're going down. It's 50 years of the whole 'managed decline' garbage that's gotten my country to where it is now.
America shouldn't overextend its resources, but equally it should never abandon its optimism.
James David, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK
lol @ the comments.
Leo, London, England
Excellent Matthew Parris.
You have voiced what many have realised for years.
What are the economic and foreign policy implications for the UK? We must not engage in America's wars and must fully align ourselves with Europe. The Anglo-American economic model is as outdated as a US car.
John Collins, Bromley, Kent
The U.S. has many things going for it. 1st is our ability to absorb new immigrants, many of which bring fresh ideas to our culture. 2nd overall demographic growth. Unlike other industrial countries, whose populations are entering longterm decline, ours is much younger. Demography is destiny.
Mark Saka, Alpine, U.S.A.
The US has been the dominant nation in the world for only about 15 or 20 years, so speaking of its horrible decline is a bit premature. Even in the 1980s, the USSR was still a near-equal military power. China has been militarily powerful for 30 to 40 years. Of course Europe (minus the USSR) is weak.
Tony, St. Louis, USA
Britain has been in decline both economically and culturally since the end of WW II. Mr. Parris is correct about the quality of American Cars. Only thing worse is a British car (Jaguar anyone). Britain may be our future as Americans. God help us as it is frightening to gaze across the Atlantic.
Peter wendling, Bellaire, Michigan, United States
Yes...Ronald Reagan took over a booming economy...Oh wait a minute. That's right. America had developed the misery index to describe the climate of the economy. STOP making Obama out to be something he isn't. He IS a liberal. He;s IS NO pioneer.
Rob, Austin, TX, USA
If the USA is truly in decline, then you won't have the good ole USA to shoulder the bulk of the World's work, as it has done consistently since wwII... then you may in fact regret it's passing.
The History of the world until this century, is one where very bad men, rule with little opposition.
Mark Gundy, Dallas, United States
In 1965, the Europeans were driving such technological marvels as the Volkswagen Bug, the Fiat 500, the Citroen 2CV, the Austin Mini, and the Trabant. Let's not forget the "Ultimate Driving Machine" - the BMW Isetta! In the US, cars had automatic transmission, power steering, and air conditioning.
David, Detroit, USA
anyone outside of the USA ever wonder we are the wealthest most charitable and most powerful nation on earth?because we have what most of you have lost,a belief in the individual spirit not hindered (yet)by goverment.you have traded faith for government.cradle to grave.We don't rollover that easy.
jerry, Pittsburgh, USA
Anyone who does not think the U.S is an empire is a fool. The comments to this point are EXACTLY what he is talking about. The US has a pathological inability to see ourselves as anything but perfect. Nationalism is truly the refuge of scoundrels (to paraphrase Johnson) whether it be Serbian or US
Tom Cuddy, Austin, USA
I name at least three world reknown and admired, top-tier Chinese corporations or educational institutions... Now try the to do the same but with American corporations and universities.
Need I say more?
Todd, Saint Paul, USA
Americans are an extension of English ambition. U.S. will rebound because we excel at creative destruction. We decline in a linear projection. But a new path starts when you change your course. The Brits should stop immigration and start their own renaissance. The potential is there.
curt b., freeport, usa
America and empire in decline? Did someone forget to let us Americans know? We are experiencing an economic recession,not the endof the world. Obama can make it better or worse.
Ryan, Dallas, USA
Mr. Parris appear to be more hopeful that America is in decline than certain of it. I've seen anti-American drivel like this over the years: a fake tear is brushed away as America's headstone has its end date chiseled onto it.
Dry your eyes Mr. Parris, we'll be just fine.
Mark Tyler, Cleveland, USA
"An empire in decline?" Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Americans should stop worrying about what the world thinks, we are the most generous people in the world and we should continue helping. But we need to decide what is best for the U.S. not what will make us loved around the world
Amy, Baxter, USA
Wouldn't the administration that has CAUSED the decline be the first to manage the Empire in decline? Obama will be the first President to take the reins of an Empire in decline. W and Cheney have steered this country off a cliff, and have presided over the most disastrous policies ever seen here.
Rob, Butte, United States
Everything this man cited as the "Decline of America" was instituted and empowered by the socialist elite in America. The same socialist fools who run most of the criminally irresponsible governments of the world as they have through all of written history. The decline is the advance of socialisn.
Craig Pedersen, Carmichael, Ca.,, USA
Can't say that I entirely disagree with Parris' views, but it seems to me the American downturn can be blamed mostly on globalization and, more importantly, a sudden shift towards socialism, the same failed system that has strangled Europe, including the former United Kingdom, for decades.
Steve, Brookfield, US
Remember that the U.S. pioneered the idea of separate and autonomous states presided over by an overarching government based on consensus and equality. The E.U. is today exactly what the U.S. was two centuries ago: states of various sizes trying to make a go of unity. Will the E.U. do better?
Louis Ivan Molnar, New York, New York, USA
The current crisis was caused by Bush not eliminating the excesses of the Clinton Administration: The regulation change that said that 50% of mortgages must go to poor people (who can't afford them) or be prosecuted. Obama will be blamed for the excesses of the Bush administration.
Calvin, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
An interesting article. Too much doom & gloom I think at US prospects though. The US is sure up against it, sadly, China looming over the horizon, with its burgeoning economic might... I also have to say, I believe that Obama is of a similar nature to the fools we have in power. We shall see.
N Wilson, Bourne,
The article was a bunch of liberal drivel. America is not an empire, never was. As long as we remain true to our heritage it will always be a great nation. That heritage conceived as one nation under God, with liberty and justice for all. A Christian Nation!!!!
Andrew, Pine, USA
It is understandable that a British commentor would think in terms of the decline of empire when gropping for an explanation of the American experiment at this time in our history, but America does not have an empire any more than an emperor. The assumption is trivial patent nonsense.
Bill, Dallas, Texas, USA
Every country has blood in its past. This hierarchical thinking gets us in trouble in the first place.
Someone has to be number 1. Someone has to get over their nationalistic self-importance. Countries and citizens face the same challenge. Forgetting self and developing compassion for others.
Seph , Montreal, Canada
Obama the first to manage a declining US? No, I'd say it was Lyndon Johnson.
Robert Salmon, Chevy Chase, US
The article was on the money. Look at our transportation system in the big cities. Our bridges and tunnels. Our roads and streets. Specially look at NYC, which claims to be the "Capitol of the World". How arrogant and chauvinistic. We do not see the decay the surrounding us.
Hector Cardona, New York City, USA
I suspect the British perspective of the US is that of the aging parent observing their strapping, eldest son making his way in the world. Here, their offspring has achieved all the more globally and has even been supportive of his dad in his dotage. Hence the GB concern when the US looks vulnerable
Mark R, London, England
I love America!
Martin Amis once said something along the lines of "Compared to America, every other country is in development".
It is the only other place beside the UK that I'd consider living in. Its electricity supply is crude compared to ours though and the cars are stuck in the 50s.
Andy, Stockport, UK
Oh geez another Obama has a tougher job than all the previous presidents.. COME ON! You all better hope Obama is your savior because if he is not he will muck things up so bad America will be scared to vote Democrat again.
Glen, Los Angeles,
Someone recently ( and generously) pointed out: the Brits are down to four things they do well: getting drunk in public, being soldierly, tailoring and character acting.
The rest of the world, particularly NATO, should shudder when they hear Americans say "no we can't, you do it."
Paul, Darlington,
the economic crunch was a gift from God to provide the opportunity for America to get away from our culture of excess. Although I disagree with the presumption of a fall from predominance (patently ridiculous both economically and militarily), the battle against protectionism is an astute insight
jay king, asheville, NC, USA
The problem I have when foreign papers comment on American policies is they have no clue what they are talking about. Um, perhaps the civil war rings a bell! Abraham Lincoln took that on knowing full well what was coming.
Or more recent history is the Reagan presidency after the Carter years.
Jamie Pierce, Thornton , USA
I guess the hopelessly incompetent Democrat president, Jimmy Carter, never happened? Facts don't cease to be facts just because you choose to ignore them. America "in decline"? They've got a long way to go before they decline as much as Europe (including the UK) has in the past decade.
Dave Sanderson, Toronto, Canada
First off, were not in decline and secondly Obama personifies empty rhetoric; this is just more wishfull thinking.
However I will agree that if the liberals get what they want, we will be in decline
byron, hilo, hawaii, usa
Well, I am no fan of the notion of "American Exceptionalism", however this piece is far off the mark. It lacks perspective in its characterization of the current economic challenges and America's place in modern history. BTW, debt to GDP was much higher during WWII/Marshall Plan era.
Hal, Lexington, KY, USA
The economy was much worse after Carter (the worse president in history). I am sure Obama will far exceed what Carter accomplished. Change you can believe in!!!!
Darrell, Dallas, USA
Americans have always had to be pushed to the edge of the cliff before we push back , but , make no mistake , when pushed to that point there is no fiercer , more driven creature in the world . Your European envy shines brightly , but up from that pedestal you think you're on , thats America .
Troy, Madison , FL. , U.S.A.
Aside from the unfounded comments about stone-age bureaucracy (ever try to get a driving license in the UK or register a car in Italy ?) The point thats missing here is that we never asked for this. It was thrust upon us in 1945 the simple fact that we were the last ones standing.
James, Washington, DC, USA
The US has just completed a great constitutional experiment, and we now know what happens when you elect a dumb guy to run the country for eight years. The author--apparently basing his analysis on a visit to the US in the 1970s--underestimates the dynamism, resilience and latent strength of America
Pete, Weston, USA
If you are correct - then enjoy ... but God help you, Britain and the rest of the free world if there's no Uncle Sam to come in and pull the chestnuts out of the fire like we've done time and time again.
Tom G, St Louis, US
2 trillion dollars is not anywhere close to 70% of US GDP, which is around 15 trillion. I don't know where this guys getting his information, but its not accurate.
ben allison, boston, USA
British medical and dental care are 1/2 the price of American equivalent? The price doesn't matter if you can't have the medical help when you want it.
In case you haven't heard British dental health is a joke the world over and the reason the cars rust is all the salt used to melt ice in winter.
Richard, Tucson,Arizona, USA
Americas success in spreading freedom and capitalism has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. I see the decline of American dominance by way of other countries increasing self reliance as proof positive of our success. Total American success to me is when all the worlds countries can manage their own affairs; generate their own wealth peacefully without the USAs help.
Mark, Allentown, USA
You folks in the US need to stop borrowing so much money from the rest of us to maintain your standard of living. We can only use so many Boeing airplanes and cans of Coke in return. Start paying your bills instead of living on borrowed time. This is what the author is also tring to say.
Doug, Saskatoon, Canada
Well, personally, I just challenge the notion that the US has an empire to lose. Even to compare America to what was left of the British Empire of the first half of the 20th century is absurd. That's not to say that the US doesn't have a lot of global influence -- but we're not imperialists.
Scott, Indiana, USA
We've survived alot worse.....in fact I've eaten some of your "food" in London and I survived that. God Bless America!
Tom, Andover, MA, USA
I remember that in Britain of the 1970s only half the households even had telephones. I remember freezing my behind off because of the lack of central heating.
carl, Ohio, USA
I guess it's normal for a liberal Brit to describe the US as an "empire". They view everything through a prism of envy. If the US is imperial, them it is so because other countires admire our success. The US does not conquer and subjegate other countries. Try looking in your thesaurus again.
dan, Greensboro, USA
My ancestors came to the US from GB preRevolution. We won our Independence, reunited after the Civil War, won 2 European wars & are winning in Iraq. We are more than Wall Street, more than NYC, more than whining California EU wannabes. We're Americans. We've survived worse. Don't bet against us.
Christy, Tuckerton, US
We just suffered through the Worst President Ever. It would be easy to mistake his losses for a decline of an empire. If anything, it is the decline of the Bush Dynasty. But the nation is still solid.
40 years ago we started to decline? Then how did we beat the Russian empire 20 years ago?
Jeremy, Minneapolis, USA
We are not an empire, but our country has seen bad times before. In the late 70s and early 80s, I remember the price of gas and the interest rates being out of this world. What happened? Reagan lowered taxes, and made sure companies had the money to hire Americans. It worked!
Deb, California, USA
I'm descended from immigrants to America in 1620. The latest voting generation displays our system's mandy-pandy handling of them - whining babies who feel entitled, demand to be taken care of. Toddlers. They voted for Obama to be their sugar daddy. They'll get what they wanted. Heaven help us.
Lynne, Virginia,
You've got to be kidding! I've spent probably two months in the past fives years in the UK. Retail stores have amazingly poor and indifferent service. The underground always has lines out of service. People are friendly but just incompetent. No American would ever put up with this.
Ken, Plymouth, MA, USA
Europe has no need to worry about a possible decline in America. We will always be here to bail Europe out the next time a united Germany has a free weekend and decides to take over all of Europe. The U.S. will be ready to come to your rescue...again!
JoeB, Rescue, USA
I appreciated reading everyone's comments, particularly the people who think that the USA can make it through the huge storms ahead. I want to wish everyone a very happy new year and good luck to all in the coming days.
Kathy, Nashville, USA
You may be right...and you may be wrong. I have lived all over the world and I have found many things I liked and disliked about where I lived. I enjoyed the UK immensely but developed a sadness for the end of the Empire. Britain meant progress and civilization, I hope we are not on the same path
Richard Simon, Jacksonville, Florida, U.S.
First, we aren't an empire. We don't rule over a group of nations. Other nations don't vote for our leaders. Secondly, a decline is natural. Any economy or nation can't keep breathing in forever - it's gotta exhale eventually. It might be good, too, considering the rampant commercialism we have.
Jen, Baltimore, USA
Yes, of course the US will eventually give way to another nation's stronger economy or more potent military. It is a historical imperative. Is now the time? Maybe - maybe not, but I think you might miss us when we are gone. Good-bye, sweet America. Good Luck, Europe!
Ron McGinnis, San Francisco, USA
Britain is also filled with back stabbing people of a foreign extract who have no love for the Union Jack. That is why Britain has declined as an empire.
Andrew Balmbra, Newcastle on Tyne, England
This man from Britain is evaluating the USA?
If you watch TV here,,the common jokes about England are,,as follows:
1. British people and their bad teeth. (This must say a lot about dental care in the UK)
2. British cars: Do you remember Sir Henry Lucas? AKA "The Prince of Darkness?".
Dan, Norwalk, Ca, USA
the US automotive industry has slipped behind?
Why don't Brits make computers? 'cause they can't find a way to make chips leak oil.
Slav, Kiev,
I guess it is good that the UK believe America to be a nation in decline. Perhaps the world will stop looking to us to foot the bill for the UN etc. Perhaps it's time for the rest of the world to do some of the leg work. As for "old-fashionedness" do you mean like being ruled by a Queen?
Jon Howell, Syracuse, USA
Glen of Melbourne is correct. I find better hotels, roads and food, in Thailand, than I do in the USA. The United States, is defenitely, in decline. Being overly-involved overseas and ignoring the needs of the country, has created a complete mess in the USA.
Ross, Seoul, Republic of Korea
Americans stand tall,be proud and one day your light will shine again.I have taught English in Russia,Japan,South Korea,Mexico,
and all over Europe.I have experienced life abroad for many many years.I am not an American but without a doubt the U.S. is the best place to live anywhere in the world.
frank wells, Manchester, U.K.
America has wasted away it's eminence. It is indeed a power in decline and its days as world hegemonic power are numbered. To me, that's a good thing because all power is corrupted and we have been corrupted completely.
Bill, Baltimore, United States
The UK in the 70's was very rundown, as was the US and elsewhere, it was a lost decade; for a Brit to act superior in his observations (statements not hard facts) about 'the locals' is funny....isn't that kind of behavior a popular stereotype of Americans?
John, Boston, USA
I find it interseting that most of Americas current detractors live in countries where America has saved them from tyranny and conquest at least once. Russia, England, France and Germany would do well to remember that it was an America "in decline" in the 1930's that rallied to save the world.
John, Reno NV,
Nick, France:do you think we're all supposed to look like models, live in mansions, and drive a top of the line Lexus? We're human, we bleed, and have the same personal issues every European has. Your observation is an example of the immature and hateful stereotypes many Europeans and others have.
John, Boston, USA
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
We shall not fail for we dare not fail. We...the People, the last best hope of man.
Parker Godwin, Atlanta, USA
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." -- Winston Churchill
Don't count us out just yet. The election of Obama was an olive branch to the world. We're trying to hammer out our problems. Give us time.
chris k , Omaha Nebraska, USA
Power doesnt stay with a power forever.Look at the Roman and English empires.I know Americans have a hard time accepting this fact but nonetheless facts are facts and America is in major decline now.It will be interesting to see where they are in next 15 years.
BHarat, mumbai, india
The statement about the similarity of the Soviet Union and the United States is absurd; utterly ludicrous. I feel qualified to make that judgment, having lived the first 16 years of my life in the Soviet Union and the last 28 in the United States. The author is a good fiction writer, though.
Vadim, Clarksville, MD, USA
The worst thing to happen to this country was the birth of the 24 hour news channels. The public basicly reacts to the editorial content which is passed as hard news. The American people are every bit as strong as they ever were, we just need to get Congress away from the cameras and on the job.
Michael Rash, Lansing, NC - USA
So when Carter left office the US was not in decline? What a joke.
chip olejnicak, New Castle, CO, USA
I'm loving people in Europe and Australia claiming the US is behind the times. Seriously? I'm thinking if you're counting the deaths by knifing and gang related crimes, yes, America is behind. Look in your own backyard my Anglican friends. You have much to learn from your American cousins.
Shirley, OneOfTheManyGreatStates, USA
We may be in decline or we may just have a few bad decades ahead of us, but I'm sure of one thing. Europe in its current form will decline and fall long before we do. Within 50 years (or less!!!) the EU will be majority muslim, and will turn into some kind of dismal Islamic state or Caliphate.
Andrew P, Alexandria VA, USA
"first US President to manage an empire in decline"
Obama? Thought Carter was going to be the first president to do this? Oh, wait, it didn't happen that time either.
John, Austin, Tx,
I perused your sophisticated, condescending schadenfreude-esque monograph on your perception of the decline and inevitable fall of the American empire. I have one word for you my friend: Balderdash. There is more to Obama and his words than you can possibly know: it's called the American Spirit.
Don Donaldson, Raleigh, USA
I'll never understand why Europeans root for our downfall. I lived in Germany for 3 years and traveled extensively and loved Europe. The only country I didn't feel welcome in was France, I still enjoyed the food although I prefer a toilet seat as opposed to standing over a hole in the floor.
Kelly, Indiana, USA
How many times has this come now. In the 60 America was on ash heap of history. In the 60s it was Soviets, in the 70 was West Germany, 80s was Japan, 90s was Malyasia, this decade has been China and India. I suppose the critics have to be right sometime, or maybe not.
John, Austin, Tx,
I only wish we Americans could look to Europe for any bright answers--problem is you have very little to offer.We will prevail , the end is still far off--not nearly as close as this author thinks!
Mike, Silver Spring, U.S.A.
I was listening to an academic this week touching on the demise of the US. One example cited was the rise of city/states- places that are dynamic, innovators where 'country' means less. California for example takes different positions from the Federal gov't ie. stem cell research, emission controls
Dave, San Francisco,
It is hard to take anything seriously from the UK these days. Soaring crime rates, multiculturalism run riot, ongoing loss of sovereignty to unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels, a military establishment that could no longer defend the Falklands, rationed health care, rampant public drunkenness...
Nelson, Reston, VA, USA
He ought to know. GB has been a socialist disaster since since Thatcher quit and even before. Maybe since Winnie's time.
D. Jones, Coos Bay, OR, USA
The bottom line is tolerance. You don't see people flooding to GBritan for their chance at the "dream." Here in the U.S., we may disagree., we don't usually bomb one another, unlike most parts of the world. That's our strength: The ability of the individual to look to the future.
Glen, Conway, AR, USA
Strange is the thought that the Democrats Barney Franks Bill Clinton and the rest of the House Dem's screamed at the top of world that every American that could not live in a Home they cant afford. According to Franks it was there right now they cannot pay the bill and Franks says it is our fault.
Steve, Lancing,
Yes, when I read external opinions like this, I do give them fair consideration - & I fairly determine that Margaret Thatcher would love to smack this Mr. Parris upside the back of his head. Thatcher and Reagan NEVER would permit the UK and US to question their own possibilities, even in dark hour
Frank, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
"inefficiency and old-fashionedness" in American, he says. So he posts to the Internet (US invention) an article written on his personal computer (US invention), using an Intel or Advanced Micro Devices microprocessor (US invention), probably running Windows OS (US invention).
T Trankle, Cupertino, USA
Some Brit in high places (whose name I can't recall) recently said "Never underestimate America's ability to remake herself ". China may send men to the moon and the EU may get fat and prosperous, but America will still be the ballast and till that helps keep the rest of you clowns out of trouble.
Christopher, Chattanooga, My Beloved America
They say that nothing in politics happens by accident ...times on line is an organ of the elites... the solutions are here the elites will not implement ...they like the top of the mountain and intend to stay there etc Thanks
Erich Kronberger, South Bend,
Funny really, we always save everyone and they are so quick to be rid of us. America is not a Roman or British empire of old......we went to the moon, made men fly, and created the means by which we debate this theory.
Austin Housewright, Blacksburg, VA, USA
The sun may have never set on the British Empire (rusty though she may be). However, be certain the universe will never let die this "American Experiment."
Austin Housewright, Blacksburg, VA, USA
The major problem with the US is bureaucracy and over-centralized decision-making. I had some more advice to offer, if you would only make your comments section longer. What, three sentences a person? The populace needs a voice--give it to them.
Scott Harmon, Manassas, USA
I had my Triumph TR6 and Spitfire. They were awful vehicles. I then returned to my large American BOAT and was thrilled to do so.
Dennis D, New Jersey , USA
I see the Liberal media are trying to cover for Obama by giving him excuses if he falls flat on his face. IT WAS BUSH.... Sorry, it isn't going to work because if you look at the Democrats right now it is about like looking at the center of a nuclear explosion. Junk splattered all over the place...
Walter, Seattle, USA
When you say O'Bama is the first president to lead a declining America you clearly forget about Ronald Reagan (The Great )who restored America after four disastrous years under socialist Carter whom O'Bama may very well emulate.
Foxy, san angelo, tx
Jimmy Carter tried the "we're in decline" path 30 years ago when he talked about a "national malaise." America did not accept such a defeatest attitude then & we won't now.
America has ALWAYS been about exceeding what is possible. Ronald Reagan showed us the way back then & we'll do it again!
Diogenes, Heartland, USA
oh please - let's take a trip back to the '70's.. in England it took months to get a telephone, "pirate" radio stations operated outside the country providing alt to big brother,.. "taxman" drove the Beatles out, Official secrets act, falklands war, the monarchy,.. + class oriented society.
Alber G, Seattle, usa
I agree, we have been in decline for the last 40 years. Bush was the last president to test us--we have failed, but at least we know now.
Like the Barbarians that conquered Rome, we are next. Look no further than who our next leader is. The end for America is near.
History repeats.
Andy, Former States of USA,
Interesting observations. Our country really has no place to go but down as a world power, reaching a pinnacle after WWII.
As for cars- the 70s were awful here, but British cars are still a bit of a joke in reliability to most Americans. Oil leaks to Lucas electric.
Stephen, Pembroke Pines, USA
And they say the US is in decline: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090103/wl_time/08599186939200
Shannon, San Antone, USA
Yeah, we're in decline... but God help us if we go the way of Europe, a place that's been in decline since our country was founded! We can come back- but not by taking the advice of Europeans. We're brought down by the huge numbers of parasitic people within our midst. Get rid of them!
Alexander, Lexington, MA,
The author completely misunderstood and misread America when he was here. He was seeing us through Euro-centric lenses.
The fact is that Americans are not an empire, never wanted to be running the world, and really did not (and do not) much care about the sick "old world."
Mike, Seattle, USA
Another educated person that does not read history. You could say the same thing about the U.S. during the depression era of the 30's. I am always amazed on how poorly educated the younger generation is.
Rich O, bridgewater, NJ, USA
The idea that we're an empire is ludicrous. We're fifty states plus some scattered territories that don't exactly beg us to leave. When countries like Japan and Germany attack us, we end the wars by regenerating our former enemies. Does this guy think Japan and Germany are part of our "empire"?
Ann Donnelly, Vancouver, USA
British dentistry? Surely you jest.
Lee, Chicago, USA
Empire? What Empire? The only land we asked for when we repeatedly freed Europe and Asia from their own tyrants who were devouring them was for a place to bury our dead. Empire my ass. As for economic decline, when we dump the socialist for drones do gooders we'll do just fine.
John L., Baltimore, USA
Britain and Europe should spend more time worrying about becoming the new Moslem caliphates and less on wishful thinking about the decline of the United States.
Gil Dominguez, San Antonio, USA
If we're in decline maybe we won't have to fight the wars in YOUR backyard (Kosovo) that you watch with your hand behind your back.
Oh I forgot! You don't have much of an armed service left, now do you? I mean, you can beat the Argies, but other than that?
Good luck!
John, San Francisco, USA
Empire in decline. Too conservative. Hmm. How long does it take to get attention in hospital in Britain for a non-lethal injury? How may people own their flat? How many have a yard larger than 100 sq. meters? People in the US look a bit shabby because we dont wear our wealth on our sleeve. We use it
Gregg Winston, Minneapolis, USA
In America, the public sector has been willfully neglected since the 1980's. Instead of reforming the bureaucracy, it was either privatized or underfunded. The inevitable consequence of these actions is that the infrastructure in the United States has fallen significantly behind other nations.
Jim, Columbia, SC, USA
One of my professors in college very concisely described the effect of American economics on the rest of the planet. "When the US economy gets a cold, the rest of the world dies of pneumonia". American decline equals major pain for everyone else, so the author ought to pray for our success.
Dana, Virginia, USA
When you are successful, everybody wants to criticize you. Yes, we do have a lot of problems, but we will overcome. Don't count us out.... we will be back.... better than ever.
Jeff Fox, Cincinnati, USA
"Thank God. We've won the war."
--Winston Churchill, after hearing of the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Keep us on speed dial, guys, and when the doody hits the fan, we'll be there for you, like always. Germany: keep those BMWs coming; France: love the cheese & wine; U.K.: thanks for the Beatles!
Greg, Bakersfield, CA, U.S.A.
Sounds alot like Harry Reid, when he unilaterally surrendered in Irag. Ah, was that just before we won? Maybe Europe can pick up our Foriegn Aid tab. As for fighting evil, they couldn't even be bothered to drive down the road to stop the genocide in Yugoslavia. Spare me.
Timothy Messer, Phoenix, USA
Those sophisticated Europeans have required US military intervention on five occasions in eighty years. The entire EU couldn't stop dithering long enough to sort out the dinky problem of Kosovo without the US. Now the EU is tops? What a laugh.
Lewin Wickes, Millerstown, USA
What happens depends on how we handle this panic. We could see the light and go back to the gold standard. That would put us back to republican traditions which gave us the good start in the first place.
Steve Prescott, Minneapolis, USA
Hahaha, a Brit telling Americans they are in decline (because Brits know what they talk about...) It's all fuzzy dreams. Brits and Americans both should get a grip. There is a whole world out there where past glories and indulgent 'patriotism' of societies in decline mean nothing. Walk please!
G.J. Wielinga, Amsterdam, Netherlands
As a Kenyan and a Subject of Great Britian, he has some experience on managing an empire in decling.
John, Grosse Ile, US of A
May I remind you of the sentiment of one your greatests?
"Silly people might discount the force of the United States... Once the fire is lighted under it there is no limit to the power it can generate"
Winston Churchill
Lou, Philadelphia,PA, U.S.A.
Europe has been in economic decline for decades, so I guess misery loves company. I just wish Europeans knew a little more about America. Going to NYC, reading The Economist, etc. is not enough. I don't expect to understand Europe, so PLEASE quit writing like you understand America.
Vince, Miami, USofA
I vehemently disagree. To state that the US is an "empire in decline" misses the obvious: we are not an empire. Trying to operate as one, as Bush did, led to disaster. At our best, the US has been a leader of republics, many of which haven't done their share to maintain the peace. We'll be back.
Alfred Stanley, Austin, TX, US
"Empire in decline"
Someone ought to remind this guy that the US is not an empire.
"We British know something about the loss of empire"
Get over it, pal. This is the 21st century.
Mauricio Villablanca, Los Angeles, US
While our cars may not be great, Brit cars have always been considered safest here due to their propensity to sit atop cinderblocks. Euros are not w/o problems; every time I visit Saab for an oil change it seems that I'm out $500 for repairs.
As for backward, at least we know how to keep beer cold!
Grant, Scarborough, USA
As an American, I can only hope that all these predictions of our decline (even our demise) as the primary actor on the world stage will soon come to pass. The more of our time, money and energy we can spend on ourselves and not the rest of the world the better it will be for us.
Sarah Chase, Richmond, VA, USA
"They are very difficult to hate!"
I totally agree. I've visited the US and found people to be very welcoming and friendly. Ok, I didn't go to down-town Miami, but you know, there's good and bad in every country.
James Edward, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
A very lucid and intelligently written article. However, he misses the point. We have been here before and we will return to just this situation once again sometime in the future. But, we will emerge out of this deep recession, as we have before, much better,and much more powerful than ever before
JDF, Yaphank, US
Here in America, many of us on the left have known, at least since Vietnam, that the United States has been the bully of the world since the end of World War II, and have been eagerly awaiting and working for the end of the American empire. Obama's still the best possible choice to lead.
Carol Marsh, Missoula, Montana, United States
I think people's expectations of the US are simply flawed. They see the economic stats and expect America's roads to be paved with gold. But when they come here and see roads of asphalt instead, they feel extremely disappointed. We are rich as a nation, but that doesn't mean this is Heaven on Earth.
JJ, Columbus, USA
I have always loved the British for their literature, history and stiff upper lip way of confronting adversity; but their cars... please be serious.
gatts, Anchorage, United States of America
Brit thinks American cars are junk? Ever heard the expression "Lucas, Prince of Darkness"?? A friend owns 2 Chevy S-10 pick-ups with 500,000+ miles on them. Don't believe it? I have driven both of them on 400 mile journeys. Brit is right in that '74 was a bad year/otherwise US cars are fair to good.
E Zach Lee-Wright, Memphis, TN
I usually cringe at the notion of an "American Empire", but in reality America is an empire- but of a different sort. America's empire consists of it's vast wealth and political, military and cultural influence. Yes, we are on the decline- We've been greedy, and overspent ourselves into a big hole
Greg Moon, Seattle, WA, USA
A man from a country world renowned for producing lousy cars and lousy motorcycles says American vehicles are inferior. I think that tells a lot right there.
Bill Madole, Eldon , USA
I have seen the immenant "relegation" of the US 3 times in my lifetime.
The first was from the USSR, then failure in Vietnam followed by the assurance that Japan would be the leading economic power soon.
Don't underestimate the resiliance, drive and innovativness of the american people.
Tom, San Diego, USA
The writer, again, is guilty of viewing his subject through the window of his own history. Empire hell! If we truly were and wanted to be an empire then the UK, Saudi Arabia, Norway would long ago have become a vassel states....ummm....not a bad idea. You just don't get it, maybe never will.
Stoddard, San Ramon, CA
I wonder if the greeks were as sniffy about the Romans as the Brits are about America? The future is unwriten, who knows what might happen.This artical is all about the past.
James , Waterford , Ireland
Peter Lloyd---- Being from the UK I wouldn't be so quick to criticize the US for making poor cars, and poor car design. The UK has is famous for making to worst built/designed cars ever built. Why do you think the car industry, in the UK, has died?
Brian, Hagerstown, USA
With inaugeration of Barack Hussein Obama, America will enter the Post-Christian Era. A nation that lost its way and shall relinquish its world leadership to the European Union and others around the world. We did it to ourselves, and have only ourselves to blame
James Bailey, Ridgecrest, CA, USA
I never thought of my country as an "empire". "Ambitious"? Yes. "Heavy-handed" at times? Yes - but only when provoked. The USA has always been, and always will be, a work in progress... and we're not finished - not by a long shot! And btw, history will be kind to GW Bush. Al Gore would been worse.
James, Burbank, United States
The US has been in decline for some time. It has just become apparent. I think it's a good thing, the end of our putrid "exceptional ism."
Rick Howe, Doylestown, United States
The US has had the largest economy on Earth since the 1890's. China has four and half times the population of the US, but an economy that's only 1/3 as large. American workers are consistently ranked as the most productive on Earth. So, for a bunch of ignorant imperialists, we're not doing too bad.
John, NYC, USA
I believe that most Americans disagree with the moniker of empire; hence, the overwhelming majority of Democrats elected recently. We have many problems, including: need for nationalized health care, reduction in defense spending and so on. These issues and more brought about Obama's election.
Steve Lindgren, Valparaiso, United States
This is a one term presidency, who ever won, The economy is crushed. Talking down the USA is not the way forward though and any politician who does this is already finished, The way out will be with confidence fortitude and creativity. telling people they are no longer great, How will that help?
Hugo, Nottingham, UK
How about .... The first U.S. President to CAUSE the nation to decline.
Bob Johnson, Boca Raton, Florida, United States
Dont write america off, but everybody should be looking over their shoulders towards China. It has been the biggest industrial power for eighteen of the last ywenty centuries. It will dominate the world soon. However there is still a place for america and europe in balancing that power .
mervin harrison, chesterfield, united kingdom
Our first step in becoming "less" should be to bring all our troops home, close all of our overseas bases, and let all the superior countries take over policing the world. And of course say no every time someone outside our little declining empire wants help or handouts since we're "suffering" here
Karen, SC, USA,
Charles Moore writes in The Telegraph of 'the end of Liberty' and now we have Parris on 'the end of America'. Two Brits of a certain age neither of whom has come to terms with the fact that Britain no longer 'rules the waves'.
David Alexander, london, UK
Perceptive : Attitudes towards their country expressed by young Americans online do remind me of the attitudes of the generation now over 70 in Britain. Singapore and Suez never shook their faith, so we have a while yet to wait.
Eric Skelton, Cardiff, Wales
If I sometimes appear anti- American 'online' I do regret it. Ican only say that if you haven't visited the states do so : They are very difficult to hate!
Eric Skelton, Cardiff, Wales
"In the next decade U.S GDP will amount to about $170 trillion. What's $2 trillion to that?"
I think perhaps you are confused. US GDP is around $14 trillion (CIA fact-book). I'm not one of those who wants to see the US fail btw.
Robin Laundon, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
With a population incessantly bombarded with Hollywood drivel telling them how great they are and that they win everything, gorged on burgers, their faces frozen in immaculate masks by Botox, Americans are convinced that they are god's chosen people. There is only one direction from here...down!
FreeMarketeer, Oxford, UK
America has been built on blood and guts and violence both in their own and in other countries.It seems to think it is accountable to nobody.How Obama thinks he can change much I do not know.I reckon it will be more of the same, but from a more diplomatic approach, which helps not.
D McGregor, St Mawes, UK
I have always thought of the US as essentially a fascist state albeit a smoothly operated one. History shows that such empires have a finite life. The US will eventually run out of those friends that it still has and implode. Few will miss the malignant US of GWB other than for its money.
Martin, London,
The US has run a balance of payments deficit for may years, and can only continue to do so if it can sell its paper to foreigners. It
is far from clear it can do so. Unless it can it will face decline &/or hyperinflation. Ask Kenneth Rogoff if you don't believe me.
John Reid, Wellington, New Zealand
As a German living in the US, I agree: In many, many respects this country is run by amateurs. It can act very narrow-minded. I find its self-delusion of its own greatness frequently quite hurtful. But its strengths are a willingness to experiment, great flexibility, and a vital force of innovation.
Wolfgang, Boulder, CO, USA
"In 2009 the US national debt will surge by $2trillion: some 70 per cent of gross domestic product."
Er, some 14 percent ($2T/$14T). The rest of this article is off by about the same ratio. In the next decade U.S GDP will amount to about $170 trillion. What's $2 trillion to that? Just over 1 percent
Andrew Hamilton, Washington, D.C. ,
America must invest in medical research if it is to achieve long term universal healthcare. Humans have been tinkering with nature, to save children with long term illness e.g. diabetes, that would not have survived to adulthood. Survival of the fittest is obsolete. Innovation can keep us ahead.
A.Fatima, Aberdeen, UK
Empire and military sap the US. Time to bring the troops home from everywhere. Engaging in WWI and Europe in WWII were huge mistakes. Germans would have done business with us. Europe has had 2,000 years of internecene tribal civil wars (maybe over with EU) and US was fools getting in the middle.
Dale S, San Diego, USA
I beg to differ; it seems that there has never been an era when the role of the United States was so crucial to safeguarding the West from the regressive dark forces of extremism and primtivism than the era we are now in. The total debt we are now facing is modest compared to 1945.
John Shepherd, Boston, USA
You Brits always get it wrong about us Yanks. We don't say, "No, we can't", because we're an optimistic people. We may be a bit conservative, but we don't like losing. Watch us, we'll be back better and stronger than ever.
Rick, Portland, Oregon, USA
A lot of your criticism is right, especially regarding the 1970s. But we live in a new age and the world has grown far more interdependent. I would hesitate to count out the US quite yet. As a free market republic it tends to be way more flexible than most countries and responsive to change.
Mark, Shepherdstown, US
Billy Bragg once said "spokesman for a generation was the worst job I ever had". Savior of humanity was the worst job we ever had. Enough, it can't be done, we give up. I want our troops home and money invested in things here that actually build wealth. No more "foreign entanglements".
Gerald Joyc, Chicago, USA
I agree with a previous post. I routinely read articles in the British and European press about Americas imminent decline. With Europe wallowing in passivity and Britain wallowing in booze and stabbings in the street,you would think they would focus a little more on their own "imminent decline".
Shane, Raleigh,NC, USA
I was head-hunted by a USA corporation in early 1979 and had to re-house and furnish from scratch. I was appalled by how old-fashioned everything was. I had been brought over to introduce new technology and found the existing technology, systems and administration years behind my UK experience.
Peter Lloyd, BLACKER HILL, UK
Peter Adam's post is stereotypical - "America makes great autos". He honestly believes that, because he does not have the experience of European cars.
I bought a US car in 79 when I went there to work. I tried almost everything at all the dealers. All were rubbish, badly designed, badly made
Peter Lloyd, BLACKER HILL, UK
America will not lose absolute power but will lose relative power to China. Is Europe ready for that? As for commerce just look at Google, Apple, Boeing, Microsoft etc, its not dead yet. For the 70s issues you need to get up to date many are gone, and the US post is way better than the Royal Mail.
Mark Peterson, San Jose, CA, USA
Our problem is we are no longer creating wealth due to losing out industry to low wage countries, Thank you globalism. The result is we have been borrowing to keep up our high mode of living. We are trillions in debt mostly to China. Obama's plan to spend another borrowed trillion is no solution.
J Ronish, seattle, usa
There are at least as many problems facing China and India, the erstwhile new "kings". America at least championed liberty, these new powers do not.
But, the rumors of our demise might be premature. There's a lot of technology going on under the hood that could change the equations.
Gary, Menlo Park, USA
The US is a great country - there's no denying it.
However it is very conservative. Symbolic of that is its inabilty to change to metrics when other countries like Australia, did so years ago.
I sincerely hope that America can learn from the current mess and move forward.
Richard Zweck, Buderim, Australia
When Saudi Arabia formally annexes what's left of your country, don't come crying to US.
Dan, Fairfax, US
If decline happens one reason is undue influence from foreign interests which lead to corruption and US politicians ignoring own interests
sena, boston,
Sad to admit, but very true. Having lived in several countries, I agree about stone age bureaucracy and the standard of living compared to Europe. But we Americans cling to the belief that we're number one at everything, and the furious chauvinism you described is evident on this board.
Tony, Simsbury, USA
As they say in the USA, denial is a river in Egypt.
We've already had our comeuppance, now it's their turn.
UK_expat, Raleigh, NC,
If China succeeds in putting a man, or woman, on the moon in the next few years then the world will probably perceive the United States to be a declining super-power and China the new number one super-power. The new President of the U.S. will most likely acquiesce in allowing this to happen
rph, Spokane, USA
Depends how you define decline, early 90's the Japanese were going to overtake the US by X in time in the economy. Before that the Soviets were seen as both military & economic contenders for superamcy. China tauted to overtake the US economy- last china manufacting figures - brink of recession!
Andrew Jones, Huddersfield, West Yorkshire
With thinking like this,it is no wonder that europe is in decline.And mr Parris is wrong-Britain didn't lose; it just handed the torch.The children of Britain are all over the world, and one of them-the US,has become the greatest power.And the language of a little island has become the global one.
Angel H., Sofia, BG
As a techie the rule is you spend more on software then on hardware and more on learning software then on the software itself. There's no royal road. But most investors don't like the idea of investing in other individuals skills eg "We train them then they move on."
glenn schaefer, holbrook, usa
But will Americans recognize relegation when they see it? Baseball players, not whole teams, are sent to the minor leagues.
T. J. Cassidy, Arlington, Virginia, U.S.A.
The rumors of our impending death have been greatly exaggerated.
Jim, Chicago,
Yes! But I remember the US postal service from the 60s and it was excellent. America makes great autos; for years now we've made money off financing the marketing of them, not off producing and selling them. The US economy and world financial system has been "enronized." That's the main problem!
Peter Adam, Chevy Chase, MD
The English press gleefully report on other country's supposed declines and failures only because it makes them feel a bit better about their own ever diminishing standing in the world. I think the US are pretty far from declining.
david stephens, Sydney, Australia
Another article from a Brit hoping that maybe, just maybe, this time the USA will fall and not get up. It would really be nice, for a change, if the UK media was just a bit less obsessed with the USA. We would really like to read about the imminent relegation from second to third level of the UK.
KR, Florence, Italy
Mike, I spent several months touring the US this year and was amazed at how poor and run down everybody was, and how inefficient, overstaffed and outdated everything was. Wonderful country, great people, tremendous hospitality, but definitely lags behind Europe (and well behind Australia).
Glen, Melbourne,
I too have always found something strange about the US.
The stats say it is the richest major country on earth. But it just doesn't feel that way when you are there. I have never been able to reconcile the two.
Nick, France,
Congratulations on being so perceptive. The problem with Americans is that they believe their own propaganda and are kept ignorant of the outside world by an insular media and an even more insular education system. Rather like the UK in the days of Empire.
David Nixon, Los Altos, USA
I think if your primary experience was the America of the 1970's, you may not be as qualified as you think to pronounce our decline. Detroit's cars are not great - though better than believed - but your other examples seem to be forced (the postal service? Are you serious?)
Mike, Smithfield, USA