Melanie Reid
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A friend of mine - let's call her Gill - was one of six directors recently made redundant by a well-known UK consortium. Once she'd recovered from the initial shock of losing a post that she had held for 18 years, Gill set out to find another.
She knew it would take time and someone advised her to register as unemployed so that her national insurance contributions would be paid. So, like you, me or any raw school-leaver, she googled “job centre” and phoned the number on the website. She was given an interview slot at a local centre and told not to be late.
There follows a tale of such humiliation, misunderstanding and Stalinist bureaucracy that, on reading it, the shivers will run up the spine of every white-collar worker in the land. When Gill turned up at the given address, she found that the Jobcentre had been relocated to another part of town. By the time she found the new office, she was five minutes late and had missed her slot. “They made me sit on the naughty chair for a bit,” Gill said.
The young woman who interviewed her was ignorant but condescending in manner and kept asking Gill why she was there. She was told that in order to get her national insurance paid, she would have to apply for job seeker's allowance, which she did not want.
There was no privacy in the room. All around her, Gill could hear other sad citizens getting the third degree. The offical asked Gill what she used to earn, and then - unbelievably - repeated the figure to nearby colleagues, exclaiming: “Hey, I've never had anyone in here with that salary!”
Things went from humbling to comic. Gill's circumstances did not fit any of the boxes on the official's computer screen. And if she defied classification she could not exist. “Tell me what your job was and I'll do a job search for you,” said the official. “Operations director for a Footsie plc,” said Gill. “It's not coming up with anything. What about ‘area manager'?” “Yes,” sighed my friend, by this time a broken woman, “area manager will do.”
Gill must prove that she was looking for work. “You have to send off three job applications a week and you need to keep an exercise book of what you are doing,” said the official. “Have you got an exercise book?” “Yes,” whimpered the woman, who had once managed thousands of staff and a budget of millions.
“Then she told me that she couldn't really do anything for me and I was told to report back ten days hence,” said Gill.
My friend, who is in her forties, went away and did what senior executives do, phoning, networking. On the day she was supposed to return, someone invited her for a speculative interview. She called the Jobcentre to tell them. They told her she must fax proof of whom she was seeing and where. “But it's informal,” she said. “I have nothing to fax.”
“If you don't provide those details it will invalidate your claim,” they warned her. Sure enough, a week later she received a formal letter confirming that they were taking back £50 of contributions.
The parable has a happy ending, for Gill at least. Within two months she managed, through initiative and contacts, to create another senior post for herself within a big company.
But for thousands of white-collar workers who will, as sure as night follows day, follow in her footsteps, the story will not be so happy. How many, in the dark days of middle-class recession to come, will experience similar treatment from a system that is not so much hostile as simply alien?
There was, apparently, no one at the Jobcentre that Gill visited who was experienced in dealing with her circumstances. She felt strongly enough about it to write to Harriet Harman, but has not received a reply. “I amuse myself thinking, what if it had been her? If they did a job search for her - Cabinet minister or secretary of state - they'd probably come up with cabinet maker or office secretary.
“As a businesswoman, I could see a system crying out for reform. They need to step up a gear. They need people working there with a commercial background; they need to make the boxes on the computer system more flexible; they need to retrain everyone. They need basic stuff like links on the government website about paying national insurance contributions.”
Recently, it was suggested that the Government was thinking of asking universities to step in to provide facilities and to counsel senior jobless people. Meanwhile, companies sacking executives are spending up to £10,000 a head on job placement consultancies as part of their redundancy package. Such firms, which prepare CVs and seek out unadvertised jobs, are - as my friend also discovered - pretty useless. “Chocolate teapot. I found another job by myself,” she said.
Bright, thrusting high-achievers have been warned. Should you fall from grace, through no fault of your own, do not expect the State to offer you a safety net. Just appreciate the ultimate irony: you could build and run a better system yourself. Funny, isn't it, when that's what governments are for?
Melanie Reid reports and commentates for The Times from Scotland. Before joining the paper, she was an award-winning columnist and senior assistant editor at The Herald in Glasgow
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The answer to poor service is to complain. Your friend did not seem to know what she wanted. This could not have helped.
Kelvin Kid, Glasgow,
i only had one problem with a member of staff at a job centre. she shocked me with her rudness. I gave her 2 chances to sort it out, and then wrote a long nice letter to a senor member of staff. It was quickly handed up the chain, and swiftly she changed her attitude! complain if its really bad!
g, England, england
I had a similar experience after being made redundant from my investment banking position in 2005. I was pressured to apply for any management job in any industry,as they couldn't differentiate between different *types* of management.
Justine, Croydon, UK
I do really wish the columnist's friend had made some kind of effort, beyond a letter, to improve what she saw as a state failure. Sadly, at 27, after university and time spent in the armed forces I have stopped expecting duty to manifest itself in "the executive classes", although I live in hope.
Ross McCallum, Aberdeen, UK
Actually JJ, claiming NI contributions only does not exempt the claimant from the requirement to seek employment. It is the law that says so, not the whim of a civil servant.
Peter, Birmingham, UK
Melanie.....".in the dark days of middle-class recession to come ".....if you have internet access www.direct.gov.uk .....should cover most questions and is a good starting point.
sue, bristol, uk
for one thing you can claim NI credits only without claiming Jobseekers Allowance, you say that you want to claim credits only as opposed to claiming JSA and you just get your stamp paid but no benefit.
And Jobcentre Plus was not and never will be designed to help people at this level of experience
JJ, London,
If I needed to look for a job it wouldn't even cross my mind to go to a Job Centre. I'd look in papers, magazines, job websites, local recruitment companies, and I'd find one. If I was missing NI contributions then I'd repay them once I was back in work, if I was that bothered about a state pension.
Simon, Wigan, UK
I signed on earlier this year after 6 mths looking for increasingly rare 'senior level' jobs in my sector. Staff at Smethwick job centre were kind, understanding, discreet and as helpful as they could be. Knowing I would not find a similar job via them they also supported me in looking elsewhere :-)
Lyndsey, Smethwick, UK
I was made suddenly unemployed a few years ago. My experience with Job Centre Plus was positive. The person helping me was sympathetic and as helpful as she could have been. OK, my job wasn't manual labour - which is what they are really set up to help with but the experience was OK.
Steve Williams, Nicosia, Cyprus
I agree with Rob. JobCentre plus is only really of use to blue collar workers - thats not a put down but a realistic comment. I have suffered two redundancies in two years (I am now back in employment through my own efforts) and the 2nd time I didn't register with JobCentre Plus.
Chris Jay, Whitchurch, UK
I hope the humbling experince will make her more tolerant of those without her contacts. She's realised that life on the dole is not the cushy number the dinner party set believes. As for "cheats" note that part time earnings reduce your benefit pound for pound, and over 16 hrs/wk makes you employed
dave, Southampton, U K
One doesn't have to be an ex-director to feel JobCenter incompetence. I have a college diploma in computer networking, and when I confirmed I want to further my IT skills they suggested I do a course in word processing or an ECDL. Beats me.
Morgan, Bristol, United Kingdom
For any middle manager, or above, then I would advise you grit your teeth to go though the necessaries at the Job Centre - but rely on your own efforts thorugh other sources in finding a new role.
Rob P, Sheffield, UK
At least she had contacts to network. Finding three suitable jobs and applying for them every week isn't necessarily easy for anyone. Try doing it without a computer so you have to handwrite your applications and without a phone because on £60/wk you can't afford the rental or the call cost.
Sue, Birmingham, UK
Jobcentre Plus - the only plus is that you'll soon be depressed enough to claim incapacity benefit.
Bruce, Manchester, UK
I was made redundant on 23 Dec and am going along to the Job Centre tomorrow (I discovered that is where I have to go from this article). After reading the article I have a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach, having never really been unemployed since I was 16, I am 49 now. Oh well.....
David Stapley, Sidcup, England
Any 'senior executive' who finds herself suddenly out of work (a) has not been cultivating head office/main board contacts (b) has forgotten the constant need for networking and (c) is so naive about JC+ that she clearly has been on another planet. The government will never get you a job, silly!
Colinc, Shrewsbury,
It has ever been so. During the last recession I attended a Management Job Club, which was good and was set at the right level but it was axed after a year because it was considered unfair to those who had no management qualifications or experience. Good luck to all those people affected by this
Phill H, Limoux, France
Years ago they made you wait in the street and you had to take any job. I told them to get stuffed and found a new job and after that, anytime I was unemployed I took care of myself. All those people working in job-centres are long-term ex unemployed forced to work there. Isn't socialism great!
Frederick, London, UK
our experience here is that if you are over a certain age and seniority, forget entirely about approaching recruitment agencies of whatever stripe. Nothing useful will be gained and a great deal of heartache will ensue. Take a walk in your area of job sites during break times -contacts are there.
A Stewart, Wellington, New Zealand
Having been forced out of retirement by Mr Brown's raids on pensions and savings I've tried the local job centre. They are geared up to providing low cost, benefit supplemented muscle. No real jobs there - those you need to find yourself.
Iain Shorts, Watford, UK
One wonders how many people Ms. Reid's friend dispatched to the Job Centre over the course of her illustrious career in Operations; and if she thinks her experiences have been rough, she should try applying for Incapacity Benefit.
Martin Kelly, Glasgow,
The whole system judged and reported on based on one experience?
Graham, Bristol,
"Government was thinking of asking universities to step in to provide facilities and to counsel" .
Great idea, school to work at Universities, never worked in the real world, what kind of advice would they offer.??
Yes I know you got a degree, you should have stayed here and not work.
james, brighton, uk
Most companies would function just as well without an 'Operations Director". She was made redundant because, like most companies, hers was top heavy. Bizarre that she expected state support to fill in her NI contributions for a brief interlude in her over-paid career. Surely she had back-up savings?
Steven Thomas, Sydney, Australia
The real scandal is that this lady will have paid massive amounts of tax and NI over many years, for which she gets virtually zero return from the State, financial or otherwise, when she loses her job. Contrast her experience with that of the armies of freeloaders currently abusing the system.
Martin, London,
This woman paid her taxes (at 40%) and is as entitled as the rest of you folks. I have never read so many comments from people with chips on their shoulders. If you are all so clever, get a job at her level.
Tony, Worthing, UK
Perhaps the most disturbing thing about this is that the old boy network operated to find a director of a failed company a new position. If establishment figures like your friend had to experience the state machinery more often, maybe they would insist it worked better.
Jamie Gilmour, Bolton, UK
My goodness! I hope she didn't have to miss a payment on her Mercedes.
C. Heathcote, Tonbridge,
Welcome to the real world, albeit that Melanie Reid's friend had a brief flirtation with it. From what I've experienced and witnessed over a period of many years, people with titles like 'Operations Director' are much overpaid in comparison to those working just as hard further down the chain.
Stephen, Glasgow,
I think Elizabeth from Slough misses the point. The tale of "Gill" was highlighting the plight of those people being championed by Elizabeth.
Ladies, you are all singing from the same hymn sheet. Join forces and everyone can win.
Tony Atkins, Cairns, Australia
it's not just senior management, professionals become disabled and will be expected to find a job, people who have always been self- employed as professionals and have never looked for a job in their lives, say, for example a barrister, can't be fired but can have a stroke.
peter c, Devizes, Wessex
The job centre doesnt work for anyone. They dont even mediate with employers anymore. I have been refused numerous inteviews ever since on account of being 50 years old, the Jobcentres response to this was 'that cant happen on account of being illegal' , time they had a look at the real world.
Steve, London, UK
18 years as a "Director of a FTSE plc" and she's worried about missing out on a minuscule fraction of the State pension ? Oh Melanie, I wish I lived on your planet. The State safety net is there, but it catches you just before you hit the ground, not just after you fall.
Piers, Bristol, UK
If you want state hand outs, you need to be available for work - ANY work. This has been demanded by the better off in society to make life difficult for 'scroungers'. We're meant to feel sorry for a character who becomes 'a broken woman' when described as a mere area manager? Barf indeed.
ken, oban,
my heart bleeds for 'Gill'. I run an internet company in Romania and spend 6 months there every year, you don't know the meaning of hardship till you look in the faces of the underclass over here, African levels of poverty and hardship in an EU country, be grateful you have food in your belly.
Costin Zodima, London, UK
My husband had a horrendous experience 14 years ago. After 25 years in the British Army, he was advised to go to the local jobcentre. He was treated as an outcast, accused of being a "fascist" for his time (7 tours) in Northern Ireland. We emigrated shortly afterwards, and he has never returned.
Linda Duncan-Adam, West Des Moines, USA
I am sure they deliberately go out of their way to make it so difficult to navigate so people can't be bothered to sign on. It artificially lowers the jobless total very significantly. I can't be bothered to surf for dud jobs at the Jobcentre to claim, when I do it more effectively at home.
George, Hinckley, UK
Operations director for a Footsie plc, is more of a boast than a description.
"As a businesswoman" - Eh? Set up a business then! Problem solved.
Too many senior managers/directors see themselves as 'business people' rather than the functionaries they actually are. Issuing orders is so easy...
Darren, Flintshire,
An old book, "Computer Power and Human Reason" predicts this kind of thing. Use of Information Technology sets systems in concrete and encourages precisely the kind of institutional inflexibility this article describes. Not only that, but those working the machines no longer need brains.
Robin Laundon, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
Thanks for that vote of confidence. I have worked in a Job Centre environment for 17 years in difficult conditions. We can't solve the problems of the world, we don't know the answer to every question so maybe a bit of give and take from both sides of the desk would do everyone a bit of good?
Brian Logan, London,
This article describes my own experiences entireley, both with Jobcentre Plus (by the way, what does the "Plus" stand for?) and Recruitment Agencies. Both are entirely useless. My tip to fellow jobseekers: don't wait for anybody to help you.
Paulina Smid, London, UK
"Funny, isn't it, when that's what governments are for? "
Perhaps no government is going to be good in this area ever again: the old labour exchange was intended for pools of (largely) manual workers, to be matched to employers who could use indistiguishable production units. Not any more.
James M, York,
My heart bleeds. Possibly we need some special offices for the previously well paid but apparently now dispensable so their moment of reality can be as pleasant as possible.
The system needs all these reforms but I doubt she'll offer to help fix the system. Better get back to phoning and networking
Richard, London, England
Big deal, ' twas ever thus but many people who fell foul of 'the system' didn't have the advantage of a friendly columnist for The Times to write about it. Where have you been for the last goodness knows how many years?
Elizabeth, Slough, United Kingdom