Mick Hume: Notebook
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Strange that we are still arguing about who should sit in the House of Lords. After all, that moribund institution was abolished all of 350 years ago.
In March 1649, after the execution of Charles I and abolition of the monarchy, the revolutionary Commons passed an Act which declared that, having found “by too long experience that the House of Lords is useless and dangerous to the people of England”, the Lords “shall be and is hereby wholly abolished and taken away”.
They don’t write them like that any more. But just a decade later, after Oliver Cromwell’s death, the spineless Parliament invited Charles II to return and even allowed his lackeys back into the Lords. There followed three centuries of trying to get them out again — a power struggle between what Tom Paine called “the remains of aristocratical tyranny” and the Commons, “on whose virtue depends the freedom of England”, which was gradually resolved in favour of the latter.
This week MPs finally voted for a wholly or mainly elected second chamber. The vote has been hailed as an historic last blow against the Lords (who are, shock, horror, opposed to the plan). But for some of us who believe in the more democracy the better, it looks more like a self-inflicted defeat for the Commons.
What did those MPs really vote for? To hand over more authority to the Upper House. To undermine the democratic mandate of the Commons majority, by giving more power not to the people but to their elected-once-in-a-blue-moon lordships. In the 1640s, they beheaded the sovereign. Now they have voted to decapitate the Commons itself.
The question in historic struggles between the Lords and the Commons was always: “Who rules?” Today the answer from MPs appears to be: “We don’t know.” It is as if they have internalised public cynicism about politics. When everybody from traditional Tories to civil liberties lawyers says that we need a powerful second chamber to police MPs (perhaps with the aid of the police), the cry goes up from the Commons: “It’s a fair cop! We cannot be trusted! We need supernanny!”
Let’s grow up, forget about reforming the Upper House, and abolish it again. However it is constituted, a second chamber exists only to thwart the democratic will of the first. In 1788, James Madison spelt out the purpose of the elected second chamber in the new US Constitution — to guard against popular “fickleness and passion” by selecting “a portion of enlightened citizens, whose limited number and firmness might seasonably interpose against impetuous counsels”.
There was an initial vote on Wednesday night on whether to maintain a second chamber; remarkably, 163 MPs voted “no”. Even that silent minority, however, seems unprepared to speak up for the fickleness and passion of popular democracy. The Lords by any other name would still be “useless and dangerous” to a democratic society.

Mick Hume is Britain's only self-confessed libertarian Marxist newspaper columnist. His Notebook column appears on Fridays, and he also writes a weekly Thunderer column. He is also editor-at-large of spiked-online.com. which he launched as the online descendant of Living Marxism magazine. Hume is an ex-grammar school boy from Woking with a season ticket at Manchester United who lives in London
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I'm sorry but I have no concern for the house of Lords. I'm far more worried about the commons, it;'s currently on collision course with the very people it represents. On many issues they simply fail to listen. Mps claiming 2nd homes incomes is an absolute abuse of power
Martin Lowe, Nottingham, England
To describe empowering the upper house as "undermin[ing] the democratic mandate of the Commons majority" presupposes that the Commons majority has a democratic mandate. This is not necessarily, and indeed not currently, the case. Perhaps it would make more sense to reform the Commons first and then look again at the Lords.
Peter Taylor, Cambridge,
The fundamental problem is that given our existing parliamentary system, we get a very real elected dictatorship, with the party in power having absolute power to do what it wants in the commons. Abolish the Lords (or the second chamber) and then we will see real dictatorship.
tim, uxbridge,
The "peers" are so-called because they are considered to have "parity" with the monarch, who in turn is judged to be simply first among equals within their ranks . So logically you can't get rid of the "peers of the realm" without getting rid of the monarchy as well. (Incidentally, we've done that once already and we got Cromwell's dictatorship in its place!)
That said, I think it unlikely that either the peers or the monarch will survive, in the long term, the social revolution that has been brought about by the internet, which is rapidly creating a single, transatlantic, English-speaking, online community, which in turn is beginning to take US political values for granted as standard. So how long the monarchy will survive the present monarch is an open question.
The Conservative Party, which stands both the preservation of the monarchy on the one hand, and the maintenance of the Atlantic Alliance on the other, is going to have its work cut out in reconciling the two.
Edmund Burke, Kingston upon Thames, England
Mick Hume doesnt understand that 'democracy' comes in many flavours, translated from its Greek origins it means rule for or by the people. It does not therefore make something less democratic by having an unelected second house. The House of Lords plays an important role in counterbalancing the House of Commons, such as sending back unfit laws for amendment. I for one am glad of this counterbalance, think what laws Blair might have passed unamended if we didn't have the House of Lords. It is good to have a second chamber that does not have to pander to public opinion in fear of votes, but can judge laws on their merits. I believe that the general meritocratic nature of the Lords gives us great expertise in the second house. Do I prefer to put my faith in this achieving elite rather than the populous masses? Without a doubt. Just look at the corruption in America's elected 2nd house. Get rid of hereditary peers and religious peers, that will do fine. If it aint broke don't fix it.
Mr J W Randall, Edinburgh,
Interesting stuff. So what I get out of this is that it is the Lords who have installed CCTV cameras on every street corner, removed the right of the homeowner to be secure in his own home, created databases to record every possible detail of your life, and it's the Lords who have for the last ten years been following every twist and turn in the tabloid press, trying to appear tougher than tough, but mostly achieving nothing except to restrict the liberty of the ordinary citizen while favouring the criminal.
Oddly enough, that doesn't sound too like the Lords I am familiar with. It sounds more like the Commons.
Madison wasn't a fool, you know. He understood all too well that unrestricted democracy leads to all kinds of evils, fads and temporary fashions, requiring some counter-balance. But who knows, maybe a single house is the way to go. After all, look how well it worked for Hitler.
jon livesey, Sunnyvale, CA/USA