Minette Marrin
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Our children used to have to wait until we died to get their hands on our assets, if any. Now it seems they can’t wait. They beadily eye our ridiculously overvalued homes and it is only with great restraint or great affection that they stop themselves telling us to sell immediately and hand over some capital. Surely you would be happier in something smaller, they suggest. Get out, grandma, is the message and often well before we are a grandmother.
It’s not that they are greedy. It’s that they are beginning to be desperate. Property prices have risen to such dizzying heights that most cannot hope to buy a first home without help.
The average home in England costs seven times the buyer’s earnings; as recently as 1998 it was about five times earnings, but by 2026 it will be 10 times, even if the government succeeds in its plans to promote more house building. Most young people will be unable to afford to buy their own homes at all.
This was the warning last week – if we needed a warning – of the National Housing and Planning Advice Unit, a new government think tank. At the same time the Council of Mortgage Lenders reported that nearly half of first-time buyers under 30 were getting help from their families.
That leaves the other half, of course – of first-time buyers whose families can’t help them and an increasing number of hardworking and capable young men and women who realise that they may never own their own homes.
That has been true for generations; countless people didn’t even dream of being property owners. What is different now is that the successful and well educated middle classes are feeling the frustration and powerlessness that used to be confined to the lower orders. This has always been socially divisive. With prosperity and higher expectations it has got worse and it is compounded by the way that house prices are inflated near the best schools. This is the beginning of a crisis.
Everybody knows why property is so expensive. There aren’t enough houses and flats. Everybody knows that the answer is to relax the Soviet-style planning restrictions and build lots more, fast. But many people, including some of the most powerful and vociferous, have resisted the explosion of building that is needed, both to provide housing and to bring down prices.
I have myself, if only mentally. The blue remembered hills of my childhood in Dorset have been disappearing; the empty valleys, deserted beaches and forgotten woods are now noisy and crowded and, to me, spoilt, although not for those who now enjoy them and never knew them as they were. None of it is my back yard, except in my mind, but I have always had great sympathy with nimbyism.
However, the time has come to accept that there will have to be a great deal of building in places like that, particularly in the south of England, and probably in your back yard. The inflated cost of housing is a terrible social evil and to do nothing about it would simply be wrong. We are short of about 800,000 homes in England alone, maybe more. With increasing immigration and rising birth rates that number will grow fast: 1m immigrants have arrived here in the past decade and about 223,000 new households are formed every year.
We will have to accept a lot of building on greenfield sites and green belts and it will have to be low rise and low density. People overwhelmingly hate flats and long for houses with gardens. We will have to accept the suburbanisation of whole swathes of the country. However, it may not be quite as bad as we imagine.
The person who forced me to change my mind is Dr Oliver Hartwich who, with Professor Alan Evans of Reading University, has written three housing pamphlets for the think tank Policy Exchange. They argue that our attitude to planning is distorted by some powerful myths.
One is the idea that building on brownfield sites is the answer. It sounds good but the problem is that there aren’t enough of them to make much of a dent in the problem. Only about 14% of the houses we need could be built on them, according to the Rogers report. Besides, they tend to be in the wrong places where people don’t want to live and work.
Another myth, according to Evans and Hartwich, is the argument that Britain is a small and overpopulated country with little green space left. I’ve always assumed this myself; for one thing, a satellite photograph of Europe by night shows that the south of England is hugely more ablaze with light than anywhere else in Europe.
However, Evans and Hartwich argue that only about 8% of land in Britain as a whole is urban, a much lower proportion than in the Netherlands, Belgium or west Germany. In England about three-quarters of the population live in cities of more than 20,000 inhabitants and use only 7.2% of the land. The assumption that the southeast is the most urban is wrong, too; the northeast is the most urbanised region, with 22% of the area under urban land as against 17% in the southeast. The southwest and East Anglia have a much smaller proportion – between 6% and 7%.
As for the disappearance of rustic vistas, the authors quote research claiming that the proportion of UK land used for agriculture – 78% – is the highest in the old (preenlargement) European Union bloc, which has an average of 64.2% – again, the opposite of what people generally think.
The idea that concreting over green fields is bad for the environment is something they also call a myth. They argue that towns with plenty of garden space are better for biodiversity than some farmland, where pests and birds and weeds are eliminated. Urban and suburban gardens are full of interesting and unthreatened species.
In other words, a massive boom in house building will not necessarily be quite as destructive as one might fear. However, even if it were, it would still be right to bite the bullet. As things stand, government planning controls are distorting the property market with disastrous social consequences. They are promoting inequality, resentment and nasty, crowded housing of the wrong kind. Even the most recalcitrant nimby must see how unjust and dangerous that is.
A prime example of Intellectually delinquency .
The problem is, obviously, too many people rather than a
shortage of housing.
Stop immigration. Address the problem of overpoulation at a national & global level.
If my clothes are too tight because I am becoming obese (which will result in a number of unfavourable consequences)
I lose weight and gain the benefits of doing do, I do not simply invest in bigger clothes and accept the unfavourable consequences of being increasingly over weight .
ADRIAN, LONDON, UK
I agree with Andrew. By solving the short term problem of high housing demand we just create more long term problems. There are other solutions to the housing demand.
james, London,
Firstly, people who concrete over their gardens should be forcibly evicted and forced to live in flats, since they can't possibly argue that they need or want a garden. Secondly, stop immigration. Thirdly, ban second homes. Fourthly, make Colin in Shrewsbury and his countryside-hating ilk live in high-rise towers to leave more room for the rest of us.
Can I also say that contrary to the generally held view in this debate, neat, tidy areas of farmland and garden are far less use for wildlife than overgrown, scrubby and generally untidy areas.
Steve James, Lincoln, Lincs
This is 1950's government thinking e.g. build more and more roads to accommodate more and more cars. We know this approach only makes the original problem worse so why apply it to housing issues in the 21st century? Our children and grandchildren will thank us for zealously protecting the greenbelt. Ignore Evans and Hartwich's much disputed 'findings'.
Andrew Gibbs, London,
Keep it real, more houses are needed and lets face it, planning restrictions are merely another way of maintaining the "haves" while the "have nots" long for their own 4 walls. Green belt can still be protected if subdivision of land is restricted. If a man has a few acres why can't he build a house as long as he is not allowed to sub divide the land and sell off pieces, there will still be green fields.
Jenny Butler-Smith, Chobham, UK
there is MORE than enough housing in the UK without building more. the solution is not to allow 2nd home purchases for people that already own their own. to conttrol greed would be a start.
myself im saving hard and renting for the great day when i can buy my own property - in canada. this country is dead.
ian, salford,
Also in the news, 5.9 million people living in this country are foreign born.........i suppose Labour will spin that to say that it doesnt effect house demand at all.
LB, London, England
Janet from London's comment "Harder saving and less of a "binge and shop" lifestyle may be all that is required, plus of course, a proper grip on immigration"
Is rubbish, I don't binge or shop, and I can't afford a modest home in the South-East. On the Immigration front, most immigrants fill the skills gap and the British reluctance to fill low-end essential roles - They pay more tax and support the country than any of the single career mothers out there.
Derek c Foley, St Albans, Herts
There are many results of excessive house prices... Commuting increases, polluting the environment, as people are forced to live in cheaper areas than where they work.
Road pricing won't help either, people still need to travel to work, and if the business is based in an expensive area, then commuting continues, then wage increase demands, inflation, widening the divide with the poor.
I'm on a decent salary, for the first time in over 20 years, if I buy a modest 2bed semi now, a slight change in the interest rates and I can't afford to live. So I'm renting, can't save anything, such is the expensive nature of living in the UK in 2007.
I looked into self-build as a solution, great until you find out that land with planning permission costs as much as an existing house in the South East. Not to mention planning depts resisting building isolated dwellings in green-field sites
A solution: Cap house prices, and stop them being used as an investment tool, which is destroying our futures
Derek c Foley, St Albans, Herts
People seem to forget that in the Dark ages, this "green and pleasant land" was all forest. Agriculture turned our country into something that can only be looked at from a public road.
There are dozens of farmers who cannot run viable farms due to the economics of exchange rates on food, yet planning departments resist people building in remote areas because they want to keep us crammed into horrible estates, when there is plenty of free land in the UK to live on.
Is there some kind of back-hander going on at the regional county level resisting a change to policy, I recently discovered after much research that St Albans is way off the mark for its quota of new homes this year. Therefore local councils as usual are ignoring central government directives.
If we live in a democracy (as if) and a capitalist economy, you'd think that farmers would be free to use their land for whatever purpose they like. Planning departments should only exercise constraints on towerblocks in a rural area
Derek c Foley, St Albans, Herts
Simon Carter's comment is nonsense...
"Secondly - the cost of houses. A house may be 7x an average salary now vs 5x in 1998, however lower interest rates mean that the cost of servicing the larger mortgage is comparable. "
Try telling people out there that a 3 bed semi is the same price in 1998 as 2007.
The problem is the amount that is borrowed - and how people who buy when prices are high then suffer when interest rates increase. Have you forgotten the late 1980s and early nineties?
If you sit on the M25 in traffic each day, you'll realise that these high prices stop a mobile workforce, and the environment suffers too.
Derek c Foley, St Albans, Herts
Did you know that because planning departments charge by the acre, it means that there is more of an incentive to cram in houses into ever smaller plots, creating social depression and probably increasing crime rates as a result.
Derek c Foley, St Albans, Herts
There are so many flaws in this discussion I don't know where to start. The immigration one has already been dealt with. Another is that many studies point out that that rents aren't rising anywhere near as fast as house prices - this suggests the issue isn't so much demand vs supply as speculation that house prices can just keep on rising. I agree the UK isn't as densely populated as it is made out to be - flying over London recently I was amazed at how green it looks, especially in the suburbs. (I am not suggesting building houses in Hyde Park!!) The well-off Nimbys don't help - I think of my parents' village, where houses have been built on brownfield sites in the village centre, to much grumbling. Another interesting statistic is that if London had the population density of Hausemann's Paris, its population would be 35m. So much for the argument that dense living automatically leads to a concrete jungle and depression! I live in a European flat myself and quite enjoy it.
the magic monkey, Heidelberg, Germany
"The idea that it is a fundamental human right to own one's dwelling-place, like so much that is wrong in Britain, dates from Thatcher's vicious social revolution. I"...if people will only accept that it may not be their inalienable destiny to own their own homes, then the housing crisis will be solved.
R. Dewar - yes, you're right. Conversely and more pertinently however, it's intolerable, morally unacceptable and socially devisive for people to prosper from the ownership of more than one dwelling to the detriment of non-homeowners' affordability to own their own dwelling through the reduced housing supply. Please take heed.
William Shaw MA (Hons) cantab, Baldock, Herts
Hi , the inflated cost of housing is a terrible social evil , what shall we do ? ! take or leave it , bye
Khalil Wasfi Darwish , Amman , Jordan
I feel your pain, Joe from Manchester.
Me and the large community of slugs that infest the kitchen of my damp, rented hovel.
starling, Lancaster,
Yes it is disgusting. I wouldn't use a term like 'social evil', but it is certainly digusting. HOUSE PRICES NEED TO DROP - BACK TO ACCEPTABLE, NORMALISED LEVELS.
Rising prices was constantly on the news agenda 2/3 years ago, but now not so much because they are not rocketing so much - BUT PRICES ARE NOT COMING DOWN.
I'm very angry about this.
What the hell's going on? - actually, I know: everyone focusses on the plight of mortage owners if rates rise, and the B of E have a fixated concern about a negative equity crash. Neither of which address the problem, that HOUSE PRICES NEED TO DROP - its an important problem, that NEEDS ADDRESSING!!!
Joe, Manchester,
The failure to allow the building of homes that people want is part of a wider abdication of responsibilities at governmetn level.
To the list can be added: power stations, water collection, airports ans sewage disposal. The last 30 years we've had a succession of of spivvy fly-by-night politicians neglecting the solid infrastructure that any growing economy would normally create.
On the on hand we're encouraged to work hard and pay high taxes yet discouraged from seeing the real rewards for this by the lack of homes.
And I doubt many CPRE members actually live in the dubious ex industrial brownfield sites' flats they always advocate.
T Martin, Bromley, Kent
How sad to read so many comments blaming immigration as the source of the current housing crisis. The real reason why there is a housing shortage is that people are choosing to live in smaller family units. Young people no longer live with their parents, families are separating, and fewer people live in couples. Older people are holding on to family homes since the astronomical costs of moving wipe out any benefits which might be gained by downsizing.
Choice also dictates where we live. If there was demand for houses outside the green belts, then more would be built. There are no shortage of developers willing to service demand. The truth is, that most of us want to live near to where we work, and avoid the daily commute. The trade off is to live in apartments with little green space and to rent if it is not possible to buy.
Until we adapt to more flexible working and cut the cost of moving, market forces will continue to push house prices beyond the reach of many.
Kate, London,
Natural England has recently spoilt the chance of my mother allowing my brother and I the chance to build on her land 2 cheap green homes because they are worried that we might buy a dog or cat. They fear if so we might just walk it on SSI land only just under 400 mtrs away. It seems the human right to have a home is now second to that of unseen snakes and whatever. Our local Planning department says there are lots of homes not being now built because of the 400mtr rule.
a adamson, wimborne dorset, England
The action of English Nature to ban the building of homes less than 400mtrs from a SSI protected site is not helping to increase the building stocks. I would like to give my daughter a plot of land in my garden to build an eco friendly house, but while the local planners are happy the people at English Nature say it cant be built in case someone with a dog or cat moves in it. I get the impression that the wildlife that can't be seen on the nearby SSI site have better rights than Humans to a home
The local Planning department agreed the possibility but not
English Nature. I am told by the architect we contacted he knows of at least 5 other cases
a adamson, wimborne dorset, England
I really enjoy "m m" cartoons every day. Can we have a profile about this cartoonist? I think he is so clever, artistically & with his original ideas.
Rosemary Evans, Chelmsford, Essex
"Take a flight from Bristol to Newcastle, and note the abundance of green space below with a small scattering of urbanisation."
Have you ever flown over Hamburg? It looks like a forest. Still, nobody's whining that they should chop down trees to build more housing. Somehow they manage to build houses AND have greenery. It should be law that building firms plant trees along the streets they build, and they should be severely punished when they chop down trees they were not allowed to chop down (at the moment it's "whoops, we did that deliberately, but we'll pretend we didn't").
Greenery is vitally important in our lives. I'm looking at a house at the moment. It's a great house ... on the inside. On the outside there is no greenery whatsoever, and the yard is north facing, so I can't put any plants in it. Living there would be horribly claustrophobic. My tiny little house seems bigger, just because of the greenery near it.
starling, Lancaster,
There are many different views on the causes of the current housing crisis. I for one hope that second home ownership and the practice of "flipping" on flats, which are left empty for months, is outlawed. We also need more flexible planning and more consideration of the younger generation by the older "boomer" generation would maybe serve to jolt them from their NIMBY tendencies. There are too many vested interests in keeping property prices high, a very unhealthy situation to have allowed to develop. Politicians themselves are mostly, if not all, home owners, so we will probably be disappointed if we look to them for answers.
Matthew , Tadley, Hants.
Sorted in three easy steps:
1.Force anyone owing an empty house to either sell or hand it over to the Local Authority in return for a fair rent. There are between 600,000 â 700,000 empty houses in the UK that could be better used.
2.Anyone buying a holiday home should have to apply for permission for partial occupation during the year via planning permission or similar.
3.Abolish VAT on brownfield sites.
By the way, anyone who thinks that the Green Belt is not worth preserving should take a trip to Los Angles to see what unregulated urban sprawl looks like.
chris, Bedford,
"If you take the 50 largest (by population) countries in the world, only Bangladesh, Japan, India, the Philippines, Korea, and Vietnam are more densely populated than the UK. "
Thank you for that excellent example of misleading statistics.
starling, Lancaster,
I live in London and am amazed at all the potential to build new houses/flats over disused hopitals, petrol forecourts, empty houses, indiustrial estates and improve the areas immensel. Some of these places I see everyday and are in very central and convenient locations. Whos in charge in charge of this? Its not rocket science!
Carltom stalker, Muswell Hill, London
Go on, build new houses on the greenbelt and watch them be snapped up by buy-to-letters. The problem is not lack of supply (if it were then rents would be rocketing along with prices - they are not) but people owning multiple houses. Fix the real problem instead - introduce more punitive taxes on buy-to-let and put restrictions on the number of properties that people can own (although rising interest rates will probably fix the problem of ridiculously high house prices next year anyway).
Andrew, Surrey,
We have plenty of houses, the problem is we have to many greedy people that are not happy owning just one house. When things are in short supply they should be rationed. Locally I know of a buissiness man that bought the house next door so he did not have a neighbour, It just sitts there empty. We should also stop immigaration.
dave, rotherham, England
The restrictive green belt laws have no place in today's Britain. Take a flight from Bristol to Newcastle, and note the abundance of green space below with a small scattering of urbanisation. We should ignore the NIMBYS who selfishly worry about the value of their homes to the detriment of everyone else, and undertake a sympathetic building program before our current twentysomethings become a lost generation, either emmigrating or living in abject poverty trying to pay off student loans and massive mortgages, let alone future pension provision.
Chris Hudson, Kranj, Slovenia
UK, but in particular London which is essentially where the shortage is occurring may have high population density by comparison to other western nations, though in comparison to countries such as Singapore and Hong Kong which have an more than threefold population densities over London it seem it is easy to see where the problem lies. BUILD MORE HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL BLOCKS IN CENTRAL LONDON!!!!!!!!! High rise blocks seem to have gained somewhat of a bad stigma due to the ghastly council blocks built in the 70s, though they don't have to be ghastly. There are many people that would rather live in a high rise block than a huge distance from their place of work, which causes further issues with the transport system. Many facilities can also be included, which would actually make it far more desirable than living in a house.
Greg, Tewin, Herts
I hope Minette Marrin was being delideratley provocative otherwise her views are very short sighted.
'We should build houses on the countryside to accomodate this generation', but how will their grand children thank us when the only country side they see is on photos? You cannot underestimate how important the space green belts provide is too the calma of Britain's people and it's character.
'Concreting over green fields is bad for the environment is something they also call a myth'. Surely green fields and countryside are the environment. What about the energy it takes to build these houses, the energy they use with households in, the increase in car they put on rural networks, the pressure on land fills and reservoirs?
Devon faces 2 new towns and thousands of new houses in existing towns due to this Gov.
Second homes policy should be revised, immigration stopped, a tax on building on green fields and are we building houses to meet housing needs or Gov targets.
Scott James, Newton Abbot, Devon
I'd have more respect for Robert if he could spell and punctuate. Being able to write a reasonably coherent sentence would also help.
alexandria, Leeds, UK
There are a number of fairly obvious points to be made to this article.
Firstly - regarding the population density of Britain. The stats quoted apply to the whole of Britain. The problem is that the housing shortage is most acute in the Southeast - which is densely populated and where the basic infrastructure and resources are already stretched to the max - witness the congested roads, overloaded public transport and annual water shortages.
Secondly - the cost of houses. A house may be 7x an average salary now vs 5x in 1998, however lower interest rates mean that the cost of servicing the larger mortgage is comparable.
Thirdly - supply and demand. The entire article talks about increasing the supply. There is no mention of reducing the demand by controlling immigration. I am not anti-immigration. But it is patently obvious that there needs to be some control, if only to let house- and infrastructure-building catch up. Politicians should stop ducking the subject.
Simon Carter, London,
Building new houses creates more jobs, also the increase in value is good for those who have already bought, especially if they want to sell and buy bigger. However I bought my flat on the Housing Association Scheme. What a stitch up. SOunded great at the time as we got 5percent off the value, £500 towards legal fees and our stamp duty paid. To qualify to buy this flat, we had to prove that we lived in Royston for at least 1 year and that we were first time buyers. This scheme was suppost to help people get on the ladder. The flat has been on the market now for 1 year, and we cannot sell it, as we can only sell to people that match the same criterea we had to. We have sold many times, but none have completed, all the buyers have pulled out, as when they have gone back to their lender, they have refused to lend beacause of the clauses. We also looked onto renting it out, but we are not allowed to do that either. We have been completely screwed.
Gemma, Royston, Herts
THe real reason property prices have become so ludicrously inflated is because we have a money debt system in this country that allows the banks to conjure up unlimited amount of money out of nothing and lend it to people with interest. 97% of all money in this country is now such debt - largely to pay for property. With all this monopoly money flushing about, the real money - that you work hard for becomes worth less and prices go through the roof. We live in a debt usury system that is making the poor poorer and a small minority of the rich richer. End the usury system and the ability of banks to print non existent money and the problems will go away.
tegan, pontefract,
You just dont get it do you,along with the PC politicians,to anyone who cant grasp the seriousness of this issue simply put the ever rising immigration on a chart,its one way up,put the rescources needed for all these houses you want to build on a graph such as water supply,gas,electric,road space,somewhere to bury the rubish etc,its one way down,at some point the lines must meet,a law abiding,liberal,state will be destroyed,along with democracy itself.We have got into this mess by a goverment voted in by a minority,obsessed with minority issues,supported by a minority of the people and has shown itself to be totally unable to govern in the intrests of the people because of PC. The opposition has been stitched up to be terified of mentioning the word immigration making it totally ineffective to do its job,the tragedy is the bnp is representing the electorates view instead of our "representatives" in parliament and a iresponsible article like this can only encourage this insanity more.
robert, ashford, uk
Why not emulate the success of the Australian capital, Canberra, and establish the seat of government away from the major commercial centre? Convert Whitehall etc to residential use. This would free up sufficient des-res square footage to satisfy the appetites of the squillionaires, and thereby take pricing pressure off the whole UK chain. The environmental benefits would be enormous. In their new purpose-built home (Thames Estuary Gordon?) the politicians could put our money where their mouths are and create an entirely carbon-free city, an environmental nirvana fit for Daves Miliband and Cameron with windmills and solar panels so far as the eye can see. MPs alone could achieve our carbon targets! What a wonderful example in green living to set us, the citizens, and the rest of the world! I am sure that for such a worthy outcome, our politicians would selflessly give up the prestige, privileges, cultural and aesthetic pleasures that come from utilising the nation's prime real estate
Ian May, Cobham,
Does anyone really believe that land values will not increase steeply and quickly if the planning rules are relaxed to permit the building on green field sites ? Before wrecking the green belt and countryside in yet another populist knee-jerk,as well as using brown field sites for housing,the Government should make it's own suplus land stocks available.
In particular,redundant MoD and NHS land should be allocated for sustainable,affordable housing.At present,the practice of government departments,under pressure from the Treasury to achieve unrealistic departmental budget targets,selling off to the highest bidders leads results in even more unaffordable homes and the Government as sellers washing their hands of responsibility for a sustainable outcome.
Better control of immigration would ease pressure on housing and other services and why is this government so obsesssed with the South East ? The strategy should be to create jobs and homes throughout the country.
Michael Beiley, Billericay,Essex,
Here in Durham the Council planning department has surrounded the city with green belt land, in a bid to regenerate the former mining villages round about by forcing people to live there instead. These former mining villages have to be seen to be believed by anyone from southern England - quite large villages or small towns where most people are on benefits and the only shop is the Co-op.
So we have a two-tier society developing - the rich in town houses in Durham itself, and everyone else with no choice but to live in dreadful former mining villages and drive through the green belt twice a day to get to and from work. The planning system should exist to make life as pleasant as possible for as many people as possible. Instead our current Stalinist predict-and provide system keeps Durham pleasant only for day-trippers and the GPs and professors who can afford to live here.
Dr. Keith Anderson, Durham, England
Further to my last post i am presently buying a lovely house at a riverside location in Kendal. So concrete over the entire south east for my money, you pay the price for sucking capital from the north. its your rat race enjoy the concrete.
25k a year does not make me rich but the rather idyllic scene makes up for that. Good fishing on my doorstep, rolling hills and nature trails. Not to mention you can buy real food at a good price and not have to rely on M & S.
your property is worth 500k how much is your lifestyle worth? Around 50p id say. and you will learn to love concrete i'm sure.
ps And many pubs who will simply ignore the heinous smoking ban and open any hours they like. After all the local PC's need somewhere for a peaceful pint and cigarette.
Bill Riley, Blackpool, UK
There are 81,000 empty homes in Cambridge alone. The REAL myth is the housing shortage.
Still, once interest rates bite, the 3% of the total number of houses in the UK that are currently standing empty will suddenly flood the market, putting an end to the smug, self-satisfied soul-searching in articles like this.
Jo, Cambridgeshire, uk
Statistics can be misleading, 'Starling of Lancaster'.
UK only 48th most heavily populated country in the world? A lot of the 'countries' above the UK in the list are little more than cities or small islands.
If you take the 50 largest (by population) countries in the world, only Bangladesh, Japan, India, the Philippines, Korea, and Vietnam are more densely populated than the UK.
SO, the UK is the most densely populated major country in the ENTIRE Western World.
And that's based on figures 3 years old. Furthermore, not only is the UK population rising alarmingly rapidly, but a large slice of the 'UK' is the virtually empty highlands of Scotland.
So there you go:- those roads full of cars virtually at a standstill aren't a mirage after all.
Jon Leigh, Southern, France
In all the noise about the housing shortage (which clearly is real) there are two vital points which are never made. The first, addressing supply, is the construction of good quality, properly staffed owner occupied tower blocks along the lines of American condominiums. For obvious reasons these should not be socialised rentals.
But the second point addresses demand. Demand is stoked by the enormous amount of money swilling round the housing market. Demand must be curbed in four ways, two uncontroversial, but two unmentioned but common in mainland Europe. Uncontroversially halt immigration together with repatriation of illegals, and stop buying to rent. The two unmentioned are restriction of credit, to say 3 or 4 times income, and the taxation of house profits calculated by the amount of appreciation tempered by length of occupancy, as is the case in Switzerland.
It's on page 1 of your economic textbooks - when demand falls, so do prices!
Ian Brook Esher
Ian R Brook, Esher,
Sophie - in contrary to your last sentence, building on the green belt (or indeed greenfield sites) is based purely on logic. Shortage of housing is the problem, logically then we need to build more and where better than the unused greenfield sites? Britain has all the ingredients for a sustainable property bubble - the most obvious being overzealous planning restrictions and socailly devisive nimbyism.
Building more houses which are unquestionably needed is anything but short-sighted. I suspect the biggest incentive to the detractors of this argument are those who have most to gain from increasing property prices: the buy-to-let brigade.
Robert, London, UK
Will any of these new houses be affordable?? Many newbuilds seem to be large "luxury" houses, packed tightly together with little outside space, and they are still out of reach of the 20-somethings (yes I am one) who have worked hard to pay off their student loans, start a pension, and save for a deposit.
Emma, London,
One is the idea that building on brownfield sites is the answer..... Only about 14% of the houses we need could be built on them, according to the Rogers report.
In Britain there are one million acres of disused industrial land. Surely this will be enough to house - and feed - millions of people?
Shouldn't we take a critical look at this Rogers report?
Peter, Auckland, New Zealand
Why not just more evenly spread the population - encourage more people to move further north and away from the South East. If we are so short of building space in the South East - why have the olympics there. It would have made more sense to have them up north, The whole argument for building on the green belt is lacking in logic and is extremely short sighted.
Sophie, London, uk
Dare I say it? The problem is that there are too many people.
Time for a reality check?
John, Zhuhai, China
"...a massive boom in house building will not necessarily be quite as destructive as one might fear. "
One might fear this but then one might be quite wrong might one not? Especially if one was not to be living near where one found England's country being wrecked, one might feel quite comfortable and smug about it, might one not? Of course, if one had no feeling for the country or the nation,and no aesthetic sense, and no knowledge of the nation's history, and no courage or ability or inclination to lead a fight for the reduction of the population rather than it's mindless increase, one might not give a toss and thus one might not care very much if the whole of England was concreted over, might one not? Or might one?
Derek, Shanghai,
There were some nice high rise blocks built by the eastern bloc countries in the 1960s...
Peter, Portsmouth,
The reason for having Green Belt is to prevent urban sprawl - to create a separation between towns - surely still a desirable feature.
The reason we have a housing a shortage is the failure to provide social housing. The cost of providing 'affordable housing' is loaded onto the cost of all new housing - thereby making all housing less affordable.
House builders also endure further taxes in having to provide 'planning gain' money, on top of standard taxation - house purchasers are fleeced by stamp duty - house owners are faced with rising council tax.
We do need to have a proper capacity strategy - if only to spread population growth to areas where the infrastructure can be more reasonably provided.
Peter York, Tonbridge, Kent
It is now clear that Nu-lab are unable to even recognize the mess were in because it would go against the mantra and dogma they are obsessed with in PC, a goverment elected by the minority, obsessed with minority issues that are supported by a minority of the people that is a disaster to the majority they are mandated to "represent" . It must be a priority to get a commitment from evry MP that they are going to govern in the wishes of the majority and as they are obviously not evry vote should go to any party untainted by the PC of the last ten years that has got us were we are.
robert, ashford, uk
"...a massive boom in house building will not necessarily be quite as destructive as one might fear. "
One might fear this but then one might be quite wrong might one not? Especially if one was not to be living near where one found England's country being wrecked, one might feel quite comfortable and smug about it, might one not? Of course, if one had no feeling for the country or the nation,and no aesthetic sense, and no knowledge of the nation's history, and no courage or ability or inclination to lead a fight for the reduction of the population rather than it's mindless increase, one might not give a toss and thus one might not care very much if the whole of England was concreted over, might one not? Or might one?
Derek, Shanghai,
"...a massive boom in house building will not necessarily be quite as destructive as one might fear. "
One might fear this but then one might be quite wrong might one not? Especially if one was not to be living near where one found England's country being wrecked, one might feel quite comfortable and smug about it, might one not? Of course, if one had no feeling for the country or the nation,and no aesthetic sense, and no knowledge of the nation's history, and no courage or ability or inclination to lead a fight for the reduction of the population rather than it's mindless increase, one might not give a toss and thus one might not care very much if the whole of England was concreted over, might one not? Or might one?
Derek, Shanghai,
I totally agree with the fact that immigrants push up house prices. Here in Spain, all the English immigrants have come and taken our land to build stupid golf courses, destroyed our coasts to open up fish and chips "restaurants" and invaded us with fat, sunburnt stomachs.
Well, this is not entirely true ... Clearly blaming the problem on immigration is stupid. Blame it on greed and people with 2 or 3 homes when many have none.
Miguel, la laguna, tenerife
Ms Mirrin, by stating only some of the problems, yet none of the blindingly obvious, though challenging solutions to them, you illustrate the chronic short sightedness containing relief. 1. Exotic mortgages- severely restrict them, 2. Mass immigration- end it, 3. Brown field sites- provide incentives for industry and people to move there. You didn't mention the affects of Brown's disastrous pension reforms on driving the property market, nor the fact that they could be repealed. You think the UK is overcrowded, that's because it is; suffocatingly so. Hartwich and Allen are proof of acedimc presbyopia to believe their statistics prove otherwise. Clearly they have far too much time with figures held just before their faces to perceive reality. Your final statement that we should build even if it turns out to be destructive is mind blowingly selfish. We should be crafting a long term socio/eco solution to reduce the populus and its demands to raise the standard of living for everyone
Richard, Woodham, UK
There is no need to build in the green belt. They should knock down the pathetic little terraces that are all over the place and build houses/buildings that can actually contain more than a solitary chicken. In addition (when you look at Manchester at least) there are TONNES of delapidated, empty buildings that could be replaced or turned into (AFFORDABLE, not "luxury") housing.
And Marco, you've completely got the wrong end of the stick. People are leaving former Eastern Germany, yes, but I can tell you that both Holland and Germany are vastly more pleasant than Britain where living is concerned. When you're poor, you may not live in a great area, but at least you will have decent housing, not the rotting heaps you have to rent over here.
starling, Lancaster,
Immigrant, England: "As an immigrant I am alarmed at the 'anti-immigrant' sentiment in these comments."
It marks the start of a backlash against years of government incompetance and PC kowtowing. There are some very hard-working immigrants, yes. There are also hundreds of thousands (some would say millions) of economic migrants who come to the UK to sponge off the state and complain - and the government has not only let them, it has given them free room, board and driving lessons.
As you yourself have pointed out, we have a domestic population of ne'er do wells to sort out - we don't need to continue importing them. What's the answer? Charge people to emigrate to the UK and cut links with Brussels.
Dan, Hampton, UK
I also am in favour of building lots more houses with just twp provisos.
1.They do not affect the velue of my house and
2. They are built nowhere near me.
Bill Riley, Blackpool, UK
So the countryside must go because middle class twentysomethings feel left out of the property boom, created by the middle class buy-to-let racket.
Previous generations have always had to save hard to buy their own place and few managed it before they turned 30. Harder saving and less of a "binge and shop" lifestyle may be all that is required, plus of course, a proper grip on immigration.
Janet, London,
As much as it pains me to admit, Britain must curb the amount of immigrants coming into the country. I say this as an immigrant who used to live in Britain for ten years. I loved every moment of it (yes I paid taxes and was not a freeloader). I actually qualified to practice law (real property) in SE England.
Britain cannot take the overpopulation that is currently taking place and sadly despite what people think building more houses/estates/flats will not solve the problem. I love Britain as the homeland I should have been born to, but sadly had to leave because it was not making economic sense.
In the end, I took my English wife and our two British-American children and moved to Canada, where the cost of living is arguably half what it is in England. Please remember people, the British Isles are just that, a group of islands which can handle a finite amount of people, preferably indigenous.
Mark my words, you will regret it when the last greenfield is paved over.
Gern Blanstein, Winnipeg/London, Canada/UK
In the U.S. and Canada there is a burgeoning movement that is creating new farmland within cities and towns. What is spurring this is a new sub-acre farming method called SPIN which makes farming compatible with the built environment. It requires minimal infrastructure and provides a specific process for generating significant income from land bases under an acre in size. It therefore removes the two big barriers to entry for first generation farmers they do not need much land or financial resources to do SPIN, and best of all they can set up their operations wherever they happen to live. By re-casting farming as a small business in a city or town, it makes it possible for many more people to practice farming professionally. While this new farmland cannot replace the loss of greenbelts, it will make urbanized environments more liveable.
Roxanne Christensen, Philadelphia, PA, U.S.
With hundreds of thousands of unused homes up and down the UK, building on the greenbelt is unnessessary. House price inflation has been caused by the banks offering ever looser credit terms and low central bank interest rates, sustained by a dodgy CPI statistic. Buy-to-let speculators have used loose credit to bid-up the price of houses to brutal heights, getting tax relief on interest payments - something first time buyer cannot do.
Any attempts to 'build more homes' will mean zilch without first limiting the influence of the banks and speculators.
David, London, UK
Mass house building as described will have a similar result to Gordon Brown's spraying cash at public services ending in waste, confusion and a mess whilst chosen people enrich themselves at the expense of the rest.
I can see the miles and miles of high density eco-boxes - not a school, railway station or police station (obviously) to be found let alone infrastructure particuarly water resource.
We need to take a step back and bed down and make the current situation work before we charge ahead with more rapid, unplanned and insufficiently considered change.
Stu Graz, Wimbledon, Greater London
Chickens once ran free, now they live short and nasty lives in cages not big enough to stand.
And so humans, it seems.
Stop all immigration now, encourage less birth rate, dump the aristocracy, only one home per family, one car per family.
That will easily do the trick.
harry wolf, Vancouver, Canada
Bravo - Minette: popular topic -'Hornets nest' comes to mins.
M A Patel, Dewsbury, England
This is a fantastic idea. Let's get what's left of the countryside in the UK concreted over as fast as we can.
In particular I am 100% convinced by statistics that claim that the UK is not over-crowded at all (those traffic queues everywhere are just a mirage) and is actually less crowded than Germany (roughly equal population, double the land area).
What's more, let's close all those farms and shovel their inhabitants into urban kennels as soon as possible. I mean what contribution do these people make to the UK???
All these ideas would lead to a far better quality of life in the UK.
Jon Leigh, Southern, France
"f this issue just put the the ever rising immigration on a graph"
See below. Life's not that simple.
Stop blaming immigrants. Start blaming yourself. This country is mis-managed, insular, and refuses to look abroad for true solutions.
starling, Lancaster,
Giving Brits an opportunity to preach about immigration is like giving Americans the opportunity to preach about religion.
Righteous, self-serving and fundamentally ill informed.
Anyway, back to the debate ...
I think the green belt would work well if the job of deciding what should be built was given to professionals with a mandate set by an independent body (perhaps linked to the BoE), rather than to 'little-britain' councillors.
Mark, Woking, UK
I live in a Surrey town, where perfectly acceptable houses are being pulled down and small houses and flats built in their places.
What I don't understand is; why the new dwellings rest unsold and unoccupied if there is such a great shortage of housing. The are certainly very reasonably priced.
Antony Rigby, Farnham,
The problem is not necessarily a lack of new houses being built, it is that when they are built they are bought up by Buy-to-let owners which keeps pushing prices up. To add insult to injury for those of us trying to buy our first home, the Buy-to-let landlords have the cheek to say there is huge demand for rented accommodation, without acknowledging that the reason people want to rent is because they have to while they save up to buy a place which they cant afford because landlords buy them all first.
What needs to be done is some sort of regulation where only a fraction of new property can be bought for Buy-to-let purposes, giving homeseekers a fairer chance of getting a place.
Mike, London, UK
the writer who said building high rise, high density housing is the answer, may be right. People like being with other people or can get to like it. Considering all the jobs are in towns, building on greensite will not solve any problems for the jobseekers who cannot find affordable accommodation in the cities where they work.
My suggestion is pull down old buildings in run down areas in the city and build high rise blocks of studio flats consisting of one large room, separate kitchen or one bedroom flats.
anthony wong, london, uk
If there is anyone who can not grasp the seriousness of this issue just put the the ever rising immigration on a graph, its one way up,put the rescources needed such as water supply, gas, electric, road space, somewhere to bury the rubbish,etc on a graph, its one way down, at some point the two lines must meet, a liberal, law abiding, western civilisation will be destroyed, along with democracy itself, what on earth in politics is more important than this, yet PC nu-lab dont want to know, and the opposition have been stitched up to be terified of mentioning the word immigration, the present PC politicians will have a lot to answer for in time to come.
robert, ashford, uk
Well firstly
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"but by 2026 it will be 10 times" ...
That really should say by 2026 it may be10 times, if interest rates go to 10% it will b3 5 times maximum.
Secondly
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"Everybody knows why property is so expensive. There arent enough houses and flats."
Again a big assumption, what you mean is there are not enough houses and flats for the population of the UK migrant workers included!
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"Everybody knows that the answer is to relax the Soviet-style planning restrictions and build lots more"
Do they now? So the UK population is expected to increase rapidly is it? we all only own only one house dont we and nobody has ever purchased a house to make money, government has worked to control second house ownership hasnt it ?
Sounds great, lets all build huge nice towns having houses with big rooms and gardens say in the lake district ( thats gots lots of green ) and every one will flock to live and work there - oh i forgot there isnt any.
Pete, Camberley, UK
Attitudes to high-rise vary. In Hong Kong it is the absolute norm. People know AND WANT little else and vandalism on estates is virtually unheard of. For the price of an average UK house (220K) you might even get 800 square feet in an average location. Many live in flats half that size. Shopping malls usually adjoin whilst rail links are so efficient waiting more than two minutes for a train or tube becomes a big ask. Population density can reach 50,000 per sq kilometre. If this model wrere adopted in the UK (heaven or evolution forbid) Birmingham for example could be confined to an area of around 10 sq kilometres. The green belt could then be much extended.
Phil, Hong Kong,
"With increasing immigration and rising birth rates that number will grow fast: 1m immigrants have arrived here in the past decade and about 223,000 new households are formed every year. "
You make that sound like an argument for more house building. It is not. Why should we concrete over England's beautiful natural heritage in order to house foreigners?
The solutiion, as other posters have suggested, is to severely and immediately halt immigration.
Martin, Hereford, England
Those defending the green belt probably either stand to make or loose money from keeping it pristine (until it suits them). The green belt must be opened to allow ordinary people to experience life over the hedge. The 'row-house' dream that Britons are aspiring to is pitiful giving the amount of under utilized land kept for the benefit of the historically priviliged (and a few ramblers). The people of Britain must demand there right to land - the feudal acceptance that a row-house is about as good as it gets must be challenged. It amazes me that in my village there is a river front plot of land, situated between two residential properties, and that this land is for sale as 'grazing land' only. I cannot understand why this prime piece of land must be left to the sheep (of some London based weekend farmer). In my opinion the best thing for Britain would be to cut under utilized farm land into 1 hectare (or 1/2 hectare plots) residential plots - i.e. mix green with people/houses
Etienne van Zyl, Drayton-St Leonard,
As an immigrant I am alarmed at the 'anti-immigrant' sentiment in these comments. The Anglo-Saxons who are so against immigrants now must not forget that they too came to Britain (albeit in the 5th century) first to work (to fight) and they liked it so much that they decided to stay and drive the natives from there lands by force. So obviously one can imagine that the modern day Anglo-Saxon do not want new immigrants to compete for that which they (the Anglo-Saxons) have forcefully taken from the natives.
The reason why the government allows immigrants (like me and countless others) into the UK, is because we bring with us scarce skills which we apply and make available to make Britain a better place for everyone who lives here. Unlike many of the the current natives of England the immigrants I know are hardworking and highly skilled, do not binge drink on weekends, do not have kids at 13, and do not laze around on benefits in council estates.
Immigrant, England,
"When will our politicians realize that England, with Holland, is the most densely populated country in the world after Bangladesh"
No, it's not, actually. Where do you get such nonsense? The UK is number 48 on the list of most densely populated countries. Holland is number 23. Bangladesh is number 11. Monaco is number 1. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, Britain is not "full" it's just badly organised. Otherwise, how can you explain that Holland has much better housing than the UK does?
The government has been selling off social housing and refusing to build new housing. The country is covered in tiny little terraces. Is it any wonder there's no more space? You need to knock down all the chicken sheds and build PROPER housing (not "luxury flats" or ghettos for those on income support).
starling, Lancaster,
The real reason why there is such a shortage - and that the shortage has got so much worse in the recent couple of years - is the very high level of immigration. 500,000 people from Poland alone have got to live somewhere. Even if they were crammed 5 to a house that means another 100,000 houses filled up.
Ken, Slough, UK
It has been proven that living in a concrete jungle causes depression. So wanting to keep green spaces has nothing to do with "romanticism".
starling, Lancaster,
Why arent we stopping mass migration to this country. We are one of the most overly populated country for landmass in the world. Im sick of listening to the CBI and the Government bang on about how immigrants dont really have an impact on housing. Where are the 4,000 coming in every week staying then? Birth rate increase due to theover 40s? Please!!
Before we start building over green belt, we should restrict home ownership. Although many in this country struggle to buy thier first home, many people own two or more homes. The population of the village in which i live doubles in the summer, almost half of all the houses here are only used a few weeks a year. Its criminal. The locals, including myself cannot afford to buy. It seems to be 'if you have the money, fair game'. It is unfair to the masses who have no home.
The people of the country need to wake up and smell the decline.
Taylor, kings lynn , norfolk
"Housing shortages are the result of massive immigration"
THEY ARE NOT.
Simplistic thinking like this drives me totally nuts. Get informed rather than grabbing at an explanation convenient for you. Life just isn't this simple, OK?
starling, Lancaster,
The north east is surely not as heavily urbanised as the article suggests. It must be a typo, it should be the North West although that in itself wouldn't take away from the thrust of the argument. What is more significant is that the CPRE refutation of the report on which the article is based, claims that it is uses statistics from 1981, and that the South East region excludes London whilst the North West region includes Manchester and Merseyside. I wonder what the facts are?
Len Waterworth, Morpeth, UK
You dont need to travel very far in the UK to realise that the country is heaving with people. The issue facing us is growing population and too many people owing more than one home.
Time to accept we must have a population strategy. Set a limit and stick to it. It gets over all the political problems of immigration. Once the limit is reached only when some-one leaves can some-one enter, as long as you predict the birth and death rates.
Secondly tax the second home out of existence.
roger bartley, battle, uk
I agree with more house building - provided it is in the back yards of those who call for more housing. There are plenty of Labour Ministers/ MP's with country cottages in desirable parts of the South/Midlands We could start with left winger Michael Meacher - he owns several properties in the Cotswolds where we could build overspill housing. And then there is Tessa Jowell in Warks and Jack Straw in Oxfordshire. Chequers and Dorneywood have lovely grounds - how about some social housing in the grounds of these lovely houses ?
When it comes to mixing with ordinary people this lot would run a mile !
Mike, Leatherhead, england
As ever, there is fiction and assertion in with the facts that the study 'reports'. Firstly there is quite a lot of brownfield land and almost certainly more than te study claims and, as it has no value for anything else, it should be used for housing. Secondly, not everyone wants a house with a garden - you only have to look around you and see how many gardens are neglected and overgrown; low rise flats with good communal areas - dare I say as have been been built in Russia - may suit some people and make good use of the land space. And as for the prices - while supply and demand of course have a part to play - so does land speculation push up the prices of new build. The land speculators and the grasping building construction companies are the key new-build property price drivers. So yes, lets more houses - but affordable ones.
John S , Chippenham, Wiltshire
Why is it impossible in this country to even contemplate building apartment flats? Why does everybody feel they have an inalienable right to own a house with a garden?
In continental Europe, most people live in rented accomodation - and these are flats.
However, the flats are spacious, have thre or four bedrooms, and usually they are built round a communal garden.
I think, starting from architects, building conglomerates to prospective owners everybody needs to examine their prejudices. Is it really so desirable to live in a box, next to other boxes, where the bedrooms are so small that one can get nothing else into the room exept a bed?
Why would a large apartment, with communal garden and balcony, in a four-storey-high block, not be acceptable?
Why should it be acceptable to concrete over vast stretches of the country, just in order to pander to the ideology of 'owning a house with a garden'?
V.G.Evans, Cardiff, UK
An interesting article but is it based on facts? For example the CPRE in their report "Policy based evidence making" challenge the Policy Exchange data on the basis that it uses a survey from 1981. It also looks like Minette Marin has a typo in the article surely it is not the North East but the North WEST that is more urban. If indeed it is, of course. The CPRE say that London is excluded from the data for the South East but Manchester and Merseyside are included in data for the North West. Who is right?
Len Waterworth, Morpeth, UK
This shows the how our government has lied to us on the question of immigration. Britain would be a much happier and better place to live in if the population were scaled down from sixty million to say forty. This would happen were it not that labour has deliberately increased our numbers by allowing immigration on an unprecedented scale. Without this immigration demand for housing would soon reach a balance with existing stock plus selective replacement. There would be no need to build on the Green Belt and no need to turn attractive, small towns into cities.
Unfortunately, the demographic pressure in the rest of the world is forcing us to increase our population with many of the in-comers actively hostile to our way of life. The result can only be the loss of the Britain we know and some of us love.
Adrian Gilbert, Tonbridge, England
"We not only need an end to immigration"
OK. But ONLY if we put an end to emmigration.
starling, Lancaster,
No wonder there is so much depression and mental illness about, people are forced to live so squashed into tiny spaces with miniscule gardens.
Anybody that does have a decent sized garden values it as a private haven to get away from the stress of modern day life.
The government must start breaking the greenbelt sooner than later, after all they seem to be killing off the farming industry, so there should be plenty of land available. They only need to expand around the towns and villages,no need for haphazard building any old where.
E J Brown, Penryn, Cornwall
To call our planning system "soviet" is highly inaccurate. As opposed to planning by dictat, Planning in Britain is a democratic process in which your elected local councillors make the decisions. Where their decisions are appealed, their decisions can only be overturned where the decision is in clear conflict with the local plan, as approved by the local councillors, or government policy, which is also framed by your elected representatives. A far better target is this government's affordable homes policy which has been almost completely counterproductive, often fatal to the viability of larger housing schemes. Also the figure for urbanised land in England is 12%, significantly more than the 8% for Britain as a whole.
Arnold Ward, Weybridge, Surrey, UK
Rubbish.
We live and behave like rats already - it may be different in bonnie Scotland.
We must get the population down, and soon.
john, london,
It is time to review the question of overpopulation!!
Not just in Britain but everywhere!
On the question of housing frankly tha article was written by someone totally ignorant from reality! There is infrastructure with all
building electricity, gas water roads schools etc etc roads, more vehicles . In FACT deportation is the answer to the housing shortage together with birth control!!
v.hardman, london,
Has anyone perhaps thought that bringing immigration under control might help slow down demand? The establishment assumes that immigrants having no direct stake in the country's traditions will automatically vote for their corporatist brave new world, therefore unimpeded immigration flows must be a Good Thing. Such calculations might well prove false in the long run.
Gervas Douglas, Andorra la Vella,
A nice piece of work Minette. Do more on this subject, please.
Some of the responces are a bit shocking:
"The time is appropriate for some thought about immigration and resettlement of people in lands of origin where there is enough sunshine for their skin type." In otherwords, limit imigration and forcibly resettle existing immigrants somewhere more "apropriate for their skin type".
Chilling.
Peter Dunford, Bournemouth,
These predictions for 2026 seem to mean that house prices are going to rise an average of around 4% p.a. before inflation and tax (against base rates of 5.75% currently). All these people rushing out to buy 2nd etc homes as their pension may wish to reflect hard on that pitiful return on their high risk investment for their retirement.
john smith, manchester, uk
Instead of building on green belt land, a better solution to the problem of over crowding would be to stop the immigrants entering this country. It is obvious that this country is too small for the amount of people trying to cram onto a small island.
Stephen, Jarrow,
Excellent article. There needs to be change on this green belt issue and fast. I think though any action from the government would be welcome....
- tax buy to let landlords more to give first time buyers a chance
- tax people more who own more than 1 property
- build more council houses
- expand shared ownership schemes
- Bank of England should consider house price inflation when setting interest rates.
James B, Wigan,
It's Easter Island, all over again.
James, Kerry, Ireland
You're right. I've been saying this for years, but it's a policy change that will never happen. FIrstly, because of rural romanticism and nimbyism, a powerful lobby that opposes any building, anywhere, and thus reinforce our absurd planning regulations. The other "lobby" is the intense conflict of interest in the average home owner- who wishes houses in general to be cheaper but demands that their own retain its high value, because it's not a home so much as an investment. If they've spent a million pounds on a bedsit, and for many people this has consumed much of their income for much of their working life, they don't want to see its value corrected to the real free market level. So, they demand that government hold the house prices up, and wail about negative equity if government fails in that, even a little. The whole situation is catastrophic; but we are all to blame for it.
Ian Bland, Northampton,
Lack of land is something we should be working on... Not a Reason to stop confronting a problem. Tplay. However if we could only think the unthinkable and start reducing the population we could all live within the current available housing stock. Theodoros Plakadopoulos. Other benefits would be less crowded roads and a reducing environmental impact. Basketball. But population reduction is the one thing that is never discussed.
Ashleigh, London,
Theer needs to be a considered approach to developing the green areas. We have to provide for future generations. the current housing stock is insufficient and prices exhorbitant. The options are to build affordable houses and soon or go the american way by developing so-called trailer parks.
Hamad lone, Thornton Heath, England
With Noolabs totally brainless policy on immigration, there will always be a housing shortage.One policy that would help,is to stop local authorities from housing immigrants and refugees and house the British first
bob holmes, axbridge , England
No.
So much building is not neccessary. A change in attitude would do the trick.
If couples stayed together only one family house would be needed, not two.
Why do young single people need a place of their own? They can live with their parents until they marry. And once married they can make some effort and make the marriage work and only need one house.
If they won't make an effort for the good of society perhaps they could try for the good of the environment and the countryside.
No second homes. If young couples can buy in their home village they won't need to move to the big city, or more accurately the high density suburbs.
If children aspire to ownership of their parents house then they have to earn it. Care for their elderly parents, have them live with them. The unmarried can stay with them and care for them in their own age. Then they have some right to the ancestoral home.
Unpalatable to the selfish but far better than coast to coast concrete of broken homes.
CA Metcalfe, East London/Essex,
Absolutely agree. The widening gap between the haves and the have nots is alarming and devisive.
Carol Buxton, Norfolk,
My kids and I walked down a footpath in deepest suffolk yesterday, hedgerows and farm fields to either side. There is no way the bio-diversity we encountered would be replicated in a green, spacious city. Simply not possible; that environment would be lost.
teddy bush, kirtling,
I can't remember the last time I read such a miss-guided argument which smacks of middle England sentimentality. It is really very simple, urban sprawl is not sustainable. I can hear people yawning across the land but imagine the public transit system most of you use every-day and multiply the horror by 10; more sprawl = more traffic = lower standard of living and higher pollution levels (LA anybody?). Where will the jobs be located Marrin? The sewage works and all the other oft forgotten infrastructure? Do we want more soulless shopping Centers and Industrial Estates? Because that is what we will get. In Britain today our planning system is middle of the road. In continental Europe policy is much more interventionalist while in the States it is more Lassiez Faire, where would you rather live?
M, London,
"With increasing immigration and rising birth rates that number will grow fast: 1m immigrants have arrived here in the past decade and about 223,000 new households are formed every year."
You make this sound like an argument for more housebuilding. It is not. Why should we concrete over England's natural heritage in order to house foreigners?
Immigration needs to be curbed, severely and immediately.
Martin, Hereford, England
"Everybody knows why property is so expensive. There arent enough houses and flats."
Yes, but why not? There is a big dog here not barking in the night. How can this article be taken seriously when the fact of over 5-10 million immigrants in the last 10-20 years is not considered worth mentioning?
Steve, Sutton Coldfield,
Where are all the people coming from that need these houses, is it that we are procreating at an alarming rate or simply allowing immigrants into a country that cannot house them?
Dave Howden, Burton, England/ derbyshire
Building more houses on green belt land would have about the same effect on reducing house prices that building more roads did on traffic congestion.
There is no reason why new houses could not be built whilst maintaining large quantities of surrounding trees and other greenery. In fact if you build at a low enough density, you could probably increase the amount and variety of habitats over that found in farm land. However, such housing would be expensive. And who would buy it? The people who cannot afford housing now? Not a chance.
And where would all the new inhabitants of houses in green belt areas and farmland areas work? In their local area? Again, not a chance. They would all have to commute to major cities with all the concomitant requirement for new roads to decrease congestion.
Think again. We need to find ways to make high density housing in cities more affordable and more attractive. That is not so simple to do, or so easy a story to write.
Martin, Kearny, NJ, USA
WE NEED 200,000, HOUSES so where do we get the builders from NOT THE UK so we import more builders
from Poland etc then we need 300,000 houses where does stop ????? about it ,France has twice the land mass
of the UK why cant they build 200000 houses there that's
a true EU solution to the problem.
george william taylor, hull, uk
I believe the poblem is that planner are unable to grasp the concept of reconciling the housing need with the 'green' need. It does not have to be EITHER concreted over strings of row house OR green belt - residential development can (and should go hand in hand) with maintaining the best that nature can offer. The recipe should be simple - low density housing on under utilised green areas and (especially also) farmland. You cannot pretend you are in the wild in South-Oxfordshire - no matter where you are the cooling towers of Didcot powerstation are the defining landmark. Surely by cutting the whole of the Thames River Front in 1 hectar residential plots, specifying the type and design of (single) dwelling that may be erected on such plots you will end up with beautiful residential developments (that in time will have tree lined avenues leading to them and neat cut lawns running all the way to the waterfront. Now THAT would be more esthetically pleasing than Didcot towers
Etienne van Zyl, Drayton-St Leonard,
Based on my personal experience as a land owner who has been trying to get two brownfield sites (about 5 acres in total) through the planning system and the local authority bureaucracy for several years, I am convinced there is no need for house building on green-field sites.
All that's needed is a simplified planning system and the removal of the numpties who are making such a mess of things.
MarkS, Leeds,
Yes perhaps we do need more houses.
But we also need a quality of environment which, even with planning controls, has been woefully damaged by poor developments and poor planning control.
Will more houses steady prices? I suggest not.
Greed will continue to push prices up even further.
UNLESS the money supply is better controlled.
If we cannot borrow 10 times salary we won't be able to spend it on houses. If the supply of money is better controlled by lending companies then house prices cannot rise for long.
Lenders in the late 60s limited lending to about twice one salary plus a quarter of the other in a partnership. House prices were stable. I suggest that only when ridiculous levels of lending prevailed have house prices gone mad.
Have we really done this to our children ?
Can anyone, whatever they earn, afford such horrendous borrowing ? Without an ever increasing level of bankruptcies ?
John Morrish, Derby, UK
immigration is the problem.until it is brought under control and reduced dramatically building more houses will never satisfy demand.make immigration an election issue by asking each parliamentary candidate what level of immigration he or she supports so that the electorate can have a say in the matter
m c, oxshott, uk
Housing shortages are the result of massive immigration and household fragmentation, or more people living alone and more parents rearing children alone - not native British having too many kids. There has actually been a collapse in the white middle class birthrate, not least due to the cost of housing. Unless you are in the bottom of the income distribution- where welfare funds all the children you could want- and the very top, the native birthrate is way below replacement. It used to be that people acquired a separate household as couples upon marriage, now every single expects a home alone - which immediately doubles the number of households. World wide, household fragmentation is causing more environmental damage in developed countries than is population growth.
We not only need an end to immigration, but incentives for people to live together, not apart - as we have at present, - and for older people to move on when their children grow up, rather than underoccupying.
anne williams, middlesex, UK
No one here has said it yet - build lots of council houses, rent them out a rate that low paid workers can afford, the private rental market would disappear, buy to rent would disappear.
Not everyone can afford to buy a house, I would need a mortgage 7 times my income to afford to buy a 3 bed house in East Anglia, I can barely afford to rent privately,cant afford holidays, and just scrape by. I am on the council list, but the council have very little stock and can only hope to house 2% of the people on their list.
Thatcher's 'right to buy' was so wrong.
Flatlander, Ipswich, Suffolk
I have benefited greatly from booming house prices and immigration since Labour came into power, so it's only natural that I'd look after my own self-interests. As a business owner, not only do I have a supply of labour willing to work for far lower wages than the local population, there's an increasing number of tenants to occupy my property portfolio - many of whom are willing to share rooms and far less demanding. And yes, I will relentlessly object to any further developments that may devalue my own home or potentially deflate rental income.
Any person in my position would have exactly the same attitude.
Richard H, Plymouth, UK
This is nonsense. Short-term economic considerations should not be an excuse for concreting over the green belt, it is what makes the UK liveable in. If it goes, why should more not join the midle-class exodus to rural France? The house price crisis has been artificially created by this government through a deliberate policy of allowing mass immigration. I do not want to live in a concrete dormitory environment where everyone shops at Tesco and watches American TV shows with canned laughter.
Ian Hart, Oxford,
I am not convinced that building more and more houses on greenfield sites, will bring down house prices. Generally, the land in question, is privately owned and expensive to buy in the first place. Only making publically owned land available ( at little or no cost) is likely to achieve lower prices but where is this land? The MOD is the biggest land owner in the country but much of it is in areas where most people would not wish to live anyway. The only hope of price reduction is lack of buyers and that is already beginning to take effect in many parts of Wales in particular, where salaries are much lower and unemployment is becoming rife with so many manufacturing businesses relocating abroad. As for areas such as South East England - well, you could cover the countryside with bricks and morter with little or no effect on prices.
JohnB, Malaga, Spain
Not enough houses are being built, supply is outstripping demand, ergo: build on the Green Belt. Sounds plausible doesn't it? The diagnosis is that despite huge demand for houses, despite the guaranteed profits that can be made by housing development, it is the reluctance to release Green Belt land that is the sand in the gears of the housing market. In fact, the problem is more technical, more boring, and a little less useful as the basis for a column in a Sunday broadsheet: the government has bolloxed up the process by which local authorities organise planning and development. By introducing the fiendishly complicated and legally flawed Local Development Frameworks in place of the tried and robust Local Plans they slowed down the release of land for housing to a snail's pace. An LDF takes many years and those that have been completed have ended up in the High Court. While this goes on: no housing land. We don't need to trash the Green Belt. We just need a planning system that works.
Steve Horgan, Basildon, Essex
Housing should have been one of the first considerations of any properly planned immigration policy. Health care,schools,utilities ,transport,lshould have also been put into the equation.You can't run any country without decent planning and expect the population to simply get on with it..Our local council have recently announced that they are running out of places to bury the dead ! The consequences of large scales immigration should have been properly thought through before attempting to squeeze a quart into a pint pot.
52e, Dunstable, England
There are three things I would like to point out:
1. There are loads and loads of empty buildings in this country, particularly in London. Working in the film industry I get to see a lot of these empty buildings, because they are used for filming in. There are old warehouses that could be turned in to housing for thousands of people, and they are taking up valuable space, so why are they left empty for years?
2. If we build on the few green areas that are left, then where are we going to get our piece and quiet, fresh air, our walks and picnics, and where are the trees and the animals going to go? We do actually need them, particularly in terms of fighting climate change and pollution.
3. Why are we so afraid of stating the simple fact that England is overpopulated already? Look at the geographical area of England, and look at the amount of people per square mile. Compare it to countries like France and Germany. Time to reduce the amount of immigration?
Therese Hvattum, st albans,
The irony is that it wont make the slightest diference to the housing shortage no matter how many you build,it is the same thincking that thought if you build more roads to stop congestion. There are now entrenched communities from everywhere on the planet communicating back to everywhere on the planet that if you do as they have done a home and income will be provided to all who dont have it,as this category must be billions of people it wil not matter how many homes you build the demand will never be met.
robert, ashford, uk
I saw on TV this week an eight-foot cubed aluminium box designed as a 'state of the art' dwelling.
Let's cover the whole of England with them and instead of a population of 50,000,000,we could accept another 50,000,000 immigrants!
After all, you don't hear any complaints coming from a tin of sardines, do you?
j.b.windmill, brierley hill, ENGLAND
Everybody knows why property is so expensive... do they?
One point always missed is that with increased life expectancy there are huge numbers of family homes occupied by one or at most two people.
My mother left her 3 bed house for a ground floor flat aged 92. My 75 year old brother-in law refuses to move from his large house in to the 2 bed bungalow he bought 2 years ago, prefering to rent that to a family.
The UK clings to silly recieved ideas about housing. I was 60 last year and live in a small Pavillion in a residence on the Languedoc coast. Almost all my neighbours are retired and have sold their family homes in favour of easy living. But then, they are French and not Brits. The Brits I meet have invariably bought themselves a huge pile of stones inland. Something large enough to fit their egos in no doubt, but then old habits die hard.
Suzanne, Montpellier, France
With very few exceptions, I don't agree with building on green belt land. Green belts have generally done a good job in restricting the further spread of already large cities, and preserving rural areas within reach of the cities so residents don't have to go too far to enjoy fresh air and the feel of the countryside. Better to build well-designed new towns in places - of which there are still plenty - well away from the existing connurbations.
Many people in cities like New York, Paris and even London seem to live happily in spacious apartments, or flats as we call them. Ms Marrin says we British don't like them, but perhaps more would if we designed them better, with good standards of privacy, sound-proofing, security, gardens and communal areas.
Barry, Wallington, UK
"We are short of about 800,000 homes in England alone, maybe more. With increasing immigration and rising birth rates that number will grow fast"
The problems are infinate but heres a good place to start;
A buildings contractor takes on a green belt site. In this site there are 50 houses. What market is he aiming to accomodate?... Chav's, recently arrived new Commonwealth immigrants, middle income earners, the gypsy community, established immigrant overspills from the cities, newly qualified graduates? This is to only mention a few.
You have to micro manage every aspect of building projects like these and one size does not fit all.
Say for instance, how many mosques would you have to set space aside for or where would the estate 24hr 'Booze Barn' be planted?
The green belt isn't a football division where you can go down one year and if your lucky, up the next.
When it goes, that's it. Game over.
Jez W., Leeds,
Residential development doesn't have to be incompatible with green space. I live in a medium-density area in the US. It has low-rise apartment buildings (I live in one), semi-detached houses, and single-family homes, all surrounded by lawns, gardens, and mature trees. You can hardly see the buildings from the air, and there is plenty of shade to help residents cope with the often-brutal heat, but even so I can walk to the subway.
The US is not known for brilliant land use planning, but neighborhoods like this turn out to be extremely popular where they are permitted to develop. I don't recall seeing anything like this in Britain. Why don't residential developments there maintain large trees?
M.A., Virginia, USA
The reason for house price hike and increase in demand is in the article
"We are short of about 800,000 homes in England alone, maybe more. With increasing immigration and rising birth rates that number will grow fast: 1m immigrants have arrived here in the past decade and about 223,000 new households are formed every year."
First time buyers are competing with business men meeting the rental demands of new households.
At same time we need these new households because of their skills. So the solution, the government needs to raise training standards for UK citizens and tighten immigration controls once skill sets are met.
result, decrease of skill demand to UK decreases house demand from businessmen and thus bring house prices back in line with 1st time buyers pockets
Our role, as UK citizens (passport holders from all ethnic groups) is to improve our skills and not be slack to ensure we can compete with better skilled workers immigrating to UK
Dalbir, Harrow
Dalbir, Harrow, Middlesex
"Everybody knows why property is so expensive. There arent enough houses and flats." Errr, thank you for clariying that point Ms Marrin. So it is nothing at all to do with the borrowing crazed masses or the 'get rich quick' gospel espoused by years of abnoxious TV property programs - or what about endless newspaper and magazine articles enticing all and sundry into borrow-now-pay-back-forever buy-to-let mortgages; 50-year mortgages etc etc. Nope it's nothing at all to do with any of that. Well, well, well. You learn something new every day!
Scalpelblade, Edinburgh,
When will our politicians realize that England, with Holland, is the most densely populated country in the world after Bangladesh (scarcely a model to emulate)? The population of England is, in the long, or even medium, term quite unsustainable.
We certainly cannot feed ourselves; cheap imported food will soon be a thing of the past. with global warming (causing both more droughts and floods), & rising sea levels. Vital minerals and metals are running out. Oil production (upon which agriculture depends) will peak & decline. Continuous population & economic growth is not possible on a planet with finite resources, & the environment & world eco-systems are being trashed. This will lead to environmental, economic (& population) collapse. Only the time scale is as yet unknown. We do not have another earth to move to.
Dave, Wrexham,
The sooner we get rid of the ridiculous green belt/planning thing the better. Droves of highly paid planning employees do little for the UK except cause serious problems of housing supply. The only role they should have is in ensuring the proper provision of infrastructure of all kinds for new developments. Also, we should outlaw land banks. Playing the land market is a main activity for big builders. They should stick to building, already a hugely profitable activity. Ensuring a proper supply of land at sensible prices, freed from planning constraints except for infrastructure provision will greatly ease the current impossible position. Many more people = much more construction. We already have the people and the birth rate is rising so we might as well get used to that now and forget ancient idyll