Peter Riddell: Political Briefing
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Admiral Lord West of Spithead was correct yesterday, on both occasions. First, the right attitude to any proposal for extending pre-charge detention for terrorism suspects beyond 28 days is: “Prove it”. Or, as Lord West said: “I want to be totally convinced, because I am not going to go and push for something that affects the liberty of the individual unless there is a real necessity for it.”
Secondly, there is, as he later added, a case for an extension for certain complicated plots. Despite all the gaffe stories yesterday, the two positions are compatible. The absolutists on both sides are wrong. Tony Blair was defeated in the Commons two years ago over 90-day detention (a very rare defeat for any government with a comfortable working majority) largely because of his cavalier dismissal of civil liberty worries. For him, being tough on terrorism always came first.
On the other side, some civil libertarians are wrong to rule out any extension of the 28-day limit.
It is not good enough just to incant terrorist threat, as Mr Blair used to do. The level of proof should be high. The case will, anyway, have to be very convincing to win support not only in the Commons, but particularly in the Lords, where the idea faced very strong opposition during a debate on Monday. Gordon Brown recognises these constraints and is approaching the issue in the right way. He argues that the complexity of some plots – with multiple false identities and passports, numerous addresses and thousands of computer disks – may require a longer period for investigation by the police before charges can be made. But the advocates have to produce evidence about why the current limit is not enough and why the problem cannot be addressed by parallel proposals for postcharge questioning and use of intercept evidence (still under review).
Any extension would have to be made exceptional. However, the existing powers in the Civil Contingencies Act for longer questioning look inappropriate, since they would involve declaring a state of emergency, which would raise the stakes. There is also the risk that an extension would be depicted as internment: hence Mr Brown’s emphasis yesterday on safeguards, including not just going to a judge, but also the Director of Public Prosecutions being involved, as well as reports to the Commons and a study by the independent reviewer. Mr Brown said he hoped that the Home Secretary would win a cross-party consensus. That may be wishful thinking. Several parliamentary inquiries have been held in this area, but there is a case for a further one focusing only on the 28-day issue.
This is just one aspect of a wideranging national security strategy. It was a classic Brown exercise, the super-swot who has read every book and report and talked to everyone. He is correct that toughness is not enough and isolating extremists is equally important. But there were at least 50 initiatives, reviews and advisory groups in his 20-minute statement yesterday. Most can be justified in their own terms. But the question, as always with Mr Brown, is whether he is trying to do too much: whether quantity may be the enemy of effectiveness.

Peter Riddell has been a leading political commentator and an Assistant Editor for The Times since 1991. He writes mainly, but not exclusively, about British politics and has published several books on British politics, including not one, but two, on Margaret Thatcher
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"[Brown] is correct when he says toughness is not enough" What he does need to show is courage, the courage to say to the British people that, no, the government cannot provide perfect security, that people have to remain ultimately responsible for security, that some risks are worth taking to preserve our historic liberties. What a shame that, instead, he and his colleagues are too 'frit' to be honest, too 'frit' to tackle the problem at source, too 'frit' to trust the people of this country whom he clearly does not understand.
Instead he runs to displacement activity that will fail to deliver the security he seeks, indeed may even aggravate the very problem. If, as you say Mr. Brown, we're in a "War on Terror" time to start behaving like a wartime leader - don't just write about courage and courageous leadership, show it. If you can't, get out of the way for someone who can.
Elizabeth, Slough,
It is blindingly obvious that this testosterone charged issue has only been re-incarnated so that Brown can say at a later date that the Lib Dems and Conservatives are soft on terrorism.
The security of our Country is plodding home in last place at the expense of Brown's political point scoring..
Philip, Ipswich,
"may require a longer period for investigation by the police before charges can be made. "
One presumes that any detention under such terrorising measures which does not result in charge and prosecution is gratuitous and therefore subject to a punitive claim for damages, with the case having been already proven.
And with the Prime Minister not being elected to office via National popular vote, is his tenure unlawful and without mandate and Parliament guilty of aiding and abetting the unlawful conspiracy which is a coup against democracy and the introduction of a terrorist cell and private network, feathering nests of a Rotting Sysyem rather than Leading the Nation forward into New Fields of Endeavour and Invention?
J'accuse.
And is it the role of the Monarch/Royal Household, if such Roles are going to have any future relevance as viable and valid Champions of the People, to dissolve such a threat against the State?.
Pretenders and Imposters at the Helm are not acceptable.
amanfromMars, Seventh Heaven , Global Communications HQ
Before the meeting: "I still need to be fully convinced ..."
After the meeting: "I am quite clear that ..."
Lord West's statements are contradictory.
The only way that he could be correct on both occasions is if the evidence he required was provided at his meeting with the Prime Minister.
Resistance to this conclusion is futile.
As to the Prime Minister's 50+ initiatives, excluding the cultural initiatives, there are three areas of concern.
1. We have problems such as bomb plots. We have methods such as searching bags and scanning them. Problems and methods pass one another by (Wittgenstein).
2. The biometric technology proposed for visas and ID cards is too unreliable to deliver the benefits promised.
3. The record of incompetence at IND/BIA identified by John Reid and Jacqui Smith is so overwhelming that we know in advance that the Prime Minister can pull all the levers he likes, the security he promises will not be delivered.
David Moss, London, UK