Rachel Johnson
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Unlike Nick Clegg – who told an interviewer last week that he’d slept with up to 30 women – most girls know exactly how many men they’ve slept with and can even name many of them. And unlike Nick Clegg we’ll never, ever, go on the record about it.
Never. No, even though I will admit something very different to my girlfriends during an intimate chat, for the record: I’m a virgin.
And as I’ve never slept with anyone, it follows that I’ve never slept with Nick Clegg, but this time last year I should admit that I did have dinner with Piers Morgan – yes, the very same Piers whose questioning of the new Liberal Democrat leader has led to the insertion of the hilarious word “Cleggover” into practically every conversation I had last week.
I could have warned Clegg about Piers. As an interviewer Morgan specialises in rummaging around in his victims’ intimate past, just as you or I might fish into the sink and triumphantly remove a disgusting bolus of hair and gunk from the plughole. He doesn’t just do it for magazines either, but in private too. At our dinner, over steak and Barolo, I was cheerily off guard and in my cups when Piers asked: “So who’ve you shagged then?”
Since I am, of course, a virgin, my reflexes kicked in and I ducked the question like an incoming mortar shell. Why? One, because anything Piers says to me, or I say to him, is assumed to be copy, and I don’t want the details – especially not the boring and blameless details – of my sex life available to all. Two, it’s private, Piers. And, three, no woman, let alone a female political leader, would reply to a “how many?” question, let alone in forensic detail, even when drunk. But a male leader would, and did.
So this is how the conversation went. Piers Morgan: “How many women would actually know for a fact if you’re good in bed?”
Nick Clegg (after some spluttering): “No more than 30.”
What’s interesting here is that Clegg answered the direct question at all – and not what he said, which was not shockingly excessive but boringly average.
In 2005 a survey by a psychologist, Norman Brown of the University of Alberta, found that men reported an average of 31.9 partners. When asked the same question women reported an average of 8.6 partners. To explain this bizarre discrepancy experts resort to the conclusion that men like to present themselves as sexual conquistadors, continental boulevardiers, coureurs or any of the other strange foreign words we English reach for when it comes to men and sex. And women present themselves as restrained and picky when it comes to sexual partners.
The truth is probably somewhere in between. Clegg has been accused of counting notches on the bedpost, but what he said sounded to me not only open and modern and Lib Demish but also . . . rather modest for a man.
After all, if you think that today teenagers start being sexually active at the age of 16 and the marrying age is 29 for women and 31 for men, well then, having 30 or fewer sexual partners (a measure henceforth known as “a Clegg”) is not promiscuous; it’s continent. It’s two a year. It’s one partner for every six months of your unmarried life. Which isn’t that excessive, is it?
Even so, this is clearly not a strike rate that women admit to in surveys. So all the Cleggover saga tells us in the end is that there is a continuing double standard about sex, exactly 45 years after the invention of sexual intercourse in 1963. A male, a party leader and a public figure, and not even a mate of Piers, can dish about his sexual past for a public interview, but a female won’t, not even in a semi-private conversation.
I myself would prefer it if people didn’t, on the whole, talk about their sex lives at all very much, especially public figures, but simply get on with it in private, because it fills the mind with such fruity and unpleasant images. Frankly, I don’t want to go there.
It’s interesting to note, though, that if asked a direct question, men are still tempted to give a direct answer about their sex lives, and to exaggerate, while a woman’s instinct is almost always to lie – as if there were a right or a wrong amount of sex that anyone could have, which is never the case.
There’s rarely too much sex in our lives, as John Betjeman for one was brave enough to admit – there’s generally not enough. So why are we women so wary about admitting what we get up to?
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Once every few years I get up on a big horse. It’s to do with thinking I should be the sort of woman who can subdue 15 hands of rippling sinew with her inner thighs, who looks good in black jodhpurs, who enjoys a good gallop and all those horsey, hearty things. Anyway, after about 20 minutes or so I fall off.
When I fell off last week, all that happened was the same as the last time it happened. I had simply and non-verbally conveyed to my mount the same fatal lack of authority as I do to my children. The horse decided he didn’t want to do it my way, but to do it his way, and cantered off. I lost a stirrup, then lost the reins and finally toppled gracelessly into the soggy heather of high Exmoor, miles from home.
Then – a blank. Luckily I was with an expert horsewoman, Charlotte, who galloped after Winston, and bore him back to me, exclaiming that “he’s never done that before” (a remark I always receive with a pained expression – the implication being that animals reserve these once-in-a-lifetime stunts exclusively for me). I had no choice but to get back into the saddle because, as I said, I was miles from home.
When I tottered back into our yard later I saw five concerned faces. My head and neck hurt. I fell into bed. When Charlotte’s husband came to the door an hour later to see if I was okay I was apparently talking more gibberish than normal. I assume I had sustained some injury, because the fall wiped out my short-term memory for two days.
Returning home and finding me crocked, my husband decided instantly that I had set myself up for the fall in order to become a “competing centre of attention” with Charlotte’s daughter, who is in Taunton hospital with multiple injuries after her horse fell on top of her while she was out hunting with the Devon and Somerset staghounds.
I accepted this slight serenely, as I – temporarily only – became a much nicer person after the fall. Even my husband noticed.
“Even though I preferred you much more concussed,” he said firmly as I struggled on nobly despite a stiff neck, “I forbid you to ride again.”
And I think, for once, I might obey him.

Rachel Johnson has written for among others, the Daily Telegraph, the Spectator, the Evening Standard and Easy Living, and is author of The Mummy Diaries and Notting Hell. She is married with three children and lives in London. Her column appears weekly in The Sunday Times.
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Reading this article it's difficult to believe that you have seen "Four Weddings and a Funeral" where Carrie boasts of 30+ sexual partners and American Beauty where the teenage virgin lies about being sexually experienced.
That's how people are, and why statistics on the subject are completely unscientific and hence meaningless.
A girlfriend of mine spoke honestly about the several sexual partners she had previous to me whilst I, in response, struggled to hide the fact that I had only had two. Social pressures distort these numbers, not genuine experience.
Nigel Davies, Manchester, England
Hi Rachel !
Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! I agree with You totally !
Sex is "motor of life!" also fun and joy - and relaxing !
When a woman gets happy makes me also happy!!!
With love - Ulrich
A Joke:
"Sex and fun are like a life insurance:
the older you get the more it costs."
Ulrich Strobel, Stuttgart, Germany
Glad you are not a virgin (why would you be choosing to write article about ânever too much sexâ if you were!)
- some responses are quite interesting (some possibly piqued male egos if they are no where near 30! due to committed relationships!)
- Folks â the figures are averages and I guess it would depend on what your def of sex is? (think Bill Clinton), and how lucky (or should that be unlucky?) you got between committed relationships and obviously how honest you are when asked.
Liz , Leeds,
The fact that the author thinks 31 partners is not many based on "starting age" and marriage seems to ignore any possibility of being in a relationship or two during that period. Many people certainly do not marry the first person they have a serious relationship with and I assume nearly all have a commited relationship before they do get married.
Gordon M, USA,
i feel rather a fool since i dint get the fact that her "i'm a virgin" was a joke and reflective of her entire article!
v.p., London,
um...not sure about this. A virgin with husband and children? Methinks Madam is suffering from long term memory loss never mind short term, or perhaps multiple personalities stalk the Johnson household
PS. I hope the horse wasn't hurt.
Jeremy Bridges, Chichester, West Sussex. UK
[ Woman: "Am I the first woman you ever made love to?"
Clegg "You could be - your face looks familiar".
Frank Upton, Solihull ]
LOL! Hilarious.
Joe, New York, US
Expecting someone to be truthful about their sexual history is like expecting a fisherman to tell you, honestly, how big is the largest fish he or she ever caught.
Jim, New York City, NY USA
People do not tell the truth when asked to enumerate their sexual partners. None of the figures that are being published should be regarded as factual.
Woman: "Am I the first woman you ever made love to?"
Clegg "You could be - your face looks familiar".
Frank Upton, Solihull,
This 'honesty' problem is a great distorter of serious social statistics. Officialdom keeps telling us that most teenagers have had sex/smoked cannabis/taken ecstacy/been kidnapped by Vogons etc. Why? Because they claim to have! Even when I was a teenager in the seventies most of my associates claimed the first two. They hadn't. I knew they hadn't. The nice ladies who taught us at school appeared to believe everty word of it. We were working class and northern. They had read too much DH Lawrence, Kes etc. Whats changed? More seriously, as a teacher, many of the teenagers I have taught comically physically misdescribe the drugs they claim to have taken and their own peers meet their claimed sexual exploits with derision. But the nice people who compile the stats still believe them
E Skelton, Cardiff, W
"Never go on record about it? You just did,
" for the record: Iââ¬â¢m a virgin."
Brian Gilbert, Hampton, Middx"
Three words for you, mate: 'Tongue-in-cheek'; or didn't you read the second part about her husband and children?
Tim, Southampton,
Psycholgists study this pretty intensively. The consenus is that men generally tell the truth, women generally lie, and there are a few very promiscuous women who balance out the remainder of the seeming disparity.
Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK
Never go on record about it? You just did,
" for the record: Iâm a virgin."
Brian Gilbert, Hampton, Middx
How were these children conceived, does Rachel's husband have the patience of a saint, and what are the theological implications of this article? More to the point perhaps, what are the implications of these miracles for her brother's election campaign?
I think we should be told!
Dru Brooke-Taylor, Bristol,
Really though, who cares? 30, well yes boringly normal. I always work on the basis that women divide their number of conquests by 3 and men times them by 3 so he probably only slept with 10 anyway.
James, Sydney, Australia
" I had simply and non-verbally conveyed to my mount the same fatal lack of authority as I do to my children. "
What a delicious comment!
MARK KLEIN, M.D., Oakland, CALIFORNIA
Who really cares?
Frank Madigan, Capreol, Canada
As any sane person (male or female) realised at once, Clegg was shooting his silly mouth off. Piers Morgan is a clever journalist, and he pulled off a scoop at Clegg's expense.
The issue is not how many or how few women Mr Clegg slept with before he married his lovely wife, but how a once-great political party - the party of Gladstone and Lloyd George - came to elect as leader a buffoon who boasts about his sex-life like any pimply adolescent. And we all remember how stupidly we bragged as adolescents about our fictional conquests in the hope of impressing the other lads down the pub!
Thank heavens that - as Rachel says - women are not so daft!
JF, Canterbury, UK
I think sex should be a topic people are free to talk about if they choose to, and don't see the need why women like to look good when talking about sex..like they say practice makes perfect..so let everyone keep banging, actually there shouldn't even be boyfriends or girlfriends .. just have sex with anyone you fancy like other animals do..
joseph, Manchester,
Does the ratio of 31.9 : 8.6 infer that threequarters of all men's partners are other men? Or that a quarter of women have all the men as their partners? More to this than meets the eye, to us virgins...
Mike L, Chippenham, Wilts
Dear Rachel,
Just to let jou know. thera are men out there who are not Cleggish and have only slept with one female their whole life because it was so awesome. I am one of the few and still enjoying life after forty years of bliss.
Theo.
T. Bovell, Ottawa, canada
You ignore the fact that Clegg met his wife at age 24, so, assuming he was faithfull to her, lets say he started Cleggovering at 17-18( at the end of sixthform). Well that's a new woman every 2.4 months without a break, solid for six years. That's more than promiscuous....that's an addiction.
Sedgwick , London, UK
Good article (not sure about the choice of lunch companion, though), but I'm writing to ask the Times tech team if they could possibly sort out the rest of the online version so that it's showing the news from April rather than March 5th - it's rather unsettling to read that Carol Barnes has died again, etc.
Rose , Salwa, Kuwait