Andrew Norfolk
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The conviction that British values pose a deadly threat to Islam has been nurtured by Deobandis since the movement’s birth in 19th century India.
The first madrassa, founded in 1867 in Deoband, 90 miles (145km) north of Delhi, was established as an act of Sunni Muslim defiance against imperial oppression. Ten years earlier its leaders had taken part in the Indian Mutiny against British rule.
Deobandi orthodoxy holds that their decision to focus on religious education stemmed from a fear that Britain, not content with “political subjugation of Muslims”, also sought their “intellectual subjugation” in order to establish “the ultimate supremacy of the Western way of life and thinking”.
The movement expanded from India to Pakistan, where there are an estimated 13,000 seminaries, of which 8,500 are Deobandi. It was from some of these that the Taleban leadership emerged to win control of postSoviet Afghanistan before imposing their brutal vision of an Islamic state, ruled by Sharia. “Every Afghan is a Deobandi,” a Taleban spokesman said shortly before the group was toppled by the 2001 allied invasion that followed 9/11.
Most Deobandi mosques in Britain employ Pakistani imams, but the new generation of Deobandi preachers are graduates of seminaries in Britain.
The first in Western Europe, Darul Uloom al-Arabiya al-Islamiya, in Holcombe, near Bury, Greater Manchester, opened in 1975 after receiving financial support from the Saudi Arabian Embassy. Behind its closed doors boys and young men aged from 12 to 23 study GCSE subjects alongside advanced Islamic studies.
Bury acts as the mother madrassa for other Deobandi seminaries in Britain and there was outrage when security officials and counter-terrorism police, acting on “intelligence information” detained its founder, Yusuf Motala, at Heathrow for seven hours of questioning in 2003. He was not charged with any offence.
The Times was unable to arrange an interview at the seminary. A teacher said that no one was available to discuss its operation. He also said that he had never heard of Deoband.
Because they are free to practice and preach their religion in Britain, Deobandis are told that they should obey the laws of the land. Yet when it comes to how they should view their adopted country, the message is one of almost unremitting hostility.
Parents who allow their children to attend a nonMuslim school, teenagers who wears Western clothes, clean-shaven men, women who do not wear the hijab – all such practices are condemned as a detestable imitation of the ways of the kuffar(unbelievers).
Many Deobandi clerics view any attempt to engage with the deviant, nonMuslim majority as a threat to the pure faith. Steps towards integration are perceived as a betrayal; Muslims are told to steer clear of nonMuslim neighbours.
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Read the article, Imperial opression...who caused this sect to rise up? the british...Times realise where the problem lies..its the Fault of the Imperialists!
Mr Zwajk, Leeds,
Moribundis would be a better word for them. They only preach bloodshed on the streets of Britain to divert attention from their real agenda which is to grab the U.K. by every swindle and unlawful means they can. They turn a blind eye to the appalling behaviour of the Muslims in Britain. Outwardly they preach that they would like the U.K. to become a Muslim country. But nobody ever came to Islam if they felt that the Muslims hated them as this group does. They are a waste of space in terms of teaching the creed of Islam, because of this.
Don't worry about them.
Anas Taunton, Birmingham,
You will note that the first Saudi seminary was established in 1975, roughly 18 months after the OPEC petrodollars started flowing to Arabia.
Do not try to whitewash or make excuses for the Deoband / Salafi / Wahhab sects in Islam. They intend to establish a global caliphate with themselves as rulers. They offer their opponents three choices: join them, agree to live as a distinctly third-class citizen and pay them for the privilege, or face unending warfare.
If this does not sound appealing to you, then *now* would be a good time to educate yourselves. Start by researching the term "dhimmi"
THJ, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
I think Andrew Norfolk should go and work for the Sun; I didn't know the Times wrote rubbish like this!
Mrs Chs, Midlands,
Again, a completely absurd response from a muslim who has not read the article properly and is selective in his response, conveniently forgetting all the other absolutely disgraceful and sickening things said by ul Haq - a man who seems determined to preach division. It is not non-muslims who seek to separate themselves from others but it is evidently the prime focus of the "respected" Deobandi scholar in question.
I'm tiring of this constant defensiveness about the perceived injustices faced by some muslims. They actually appear to wallow in self-pity and victimhood. When will it end.
Simon Thompson, Derby, UK
"The first madrassa, founded in 1867 in Deoband, 90 miles (145km) north of Delhi,"
This seminary has become a major problem for India. It has become a breeding ground for preaching Islamic religious hatred and Islamic terrorism and have been issuing all sorts of fatwas! It appears that this seminary and its followers are in seventh century and should have no place in a secular democracy!
In some cases, it has been noticed that some of the mullahs have been taking money and issuing all sorts of fatwas.
Lastly, you have done a great service to humanity and the civilized society by publishing articles on this retrograde "seminary". Just keep up such great exposures of evils despite all spins and justifications for this anti-human seminary!
Regards,
Krishna R. Kumar, Udupi, India
From Sohail, Midlands -The Spanish and the Muslims lived harmoniously for almost 1000 years.
Not in the history books that I have read. Spain itself is covered in fortresses that took part in the conflict between Christianity and Islam.
MikeK, Liverpool, UK
As a British Muslim, I am very angry that a supposedly responsible broadsheet newspaper has resorted to present such an unbalanced view, using snippets of information taken out of context, similar to the 'Dispatches' documentary. Is this another attempt to fuel divisions within the Muslim community as well as the wider community? Or is this another example of irresponsible, biased reporting by the media machine?
Just like any other religion, they have a right to preserve and propogate their beliefs in a responsible, peaceful manner.
The Deobandi scholars categorically state that it is a Muslims duty to live peacefully and in harmony, respecting the laws of the land. But they are always the first to speak up against any injustice being perpetrated here or abroad, especially against Muslims. This does not make them a deviant sect. On the contrary, the Deobandi scholars have always cited examples from the almost 1000 yrs of Muslim rule in Spain, when all faiths coexisted harmoniously.
Sohail, Midlands,