Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
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The clergyman who runs one of Oxford’s largest and most successful churches has attacked Muslim plans to begin calls to prayer from the city’s Central Mosque.
The Rev Charlie Cleverley, Rector of St Aldate’s, a thriving charismatic evangelical church in the heart of Oxford, claims non-Muslim residents will be driven away by the thrice-daily calls to prayer over the eastern part of the city.
In coming out against the proposals, Mr Cleverley, who previously worked at a church in a Muslim area of Paris, is going against the views of his own bishop.
The Bishop of Oxford, the Right Rev John Pritchard, has backed the plans, to be submitted to the city council by leaders of the mosque later this year.
Although already in use by up to 700 Muslims at a time, the mosque is still being built. Muslim leaders in Oxford want to use a loudspeaker to relay the call to prayer, or azan, so as many Muslims in Oxford can hear it as possible.
The Church of England’s only Asian bishop, the Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, has argued that permitting the prayer calls in Britain represents an attempt to “impose an Islamic character” on some areas.
St Aldate’s, parts of which date from the 12th century, is so successful it puts on two Sunday evening services to cope with demand. Hundreds of young Christians worship there, including students from the university and other higher education institutions in Oxford.
Mr Cleverley said the azan was “un-English” and called on senior Muslims to reconsider their planned application.
Addressing his congregation, he compared the call to prayer to the “English” sound of church bells.
“It’s to do with nuisance noise affecting the inhabitants that have to hear it,” he said. “I feel it is un-English and very different from a bell.
“When such an area is subject to such a call to prayer, it may force people to move out and encourage Muslim families to move in.
“You do risk a kind of ghettoisation of the city a few years down the line.
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I have been living in Bradford for the past 7years, where there is a large muslim community and calls to prayer are made regularly. In allowing someone to practice their faith fully pomotes good relations and in doing so we become close to each other,and displays appreciation of others.
Darren Townsend, Bradford, England
Islam permits the practice of all religious faiths and protects those people in their land. But the snobbery shown here and the lack of knowledge by the readers is disappointing. Islam has made great contributions to the world of science and day-to-day living in the Western world, including the UK.
A Khan, Liverpool,
Apart from anything else, it would be a noise nuisance. Meanwhile, the sounding of church bells seems to have declined over the years.
But this issue, and there will be many more, are all a logical consequence of there being two million Muslims here. If we didn't like what would inevitably follow - and I don't - we shouldn't have allowed this much immigration in the first place.
The rector is quite right - it is unEnglish and there are millions of people who cherish our traditions and should not be accused of being racist in saying they want them preserved.
Jon, Bristol,
i agree whole heartedly with the Rev Charlie Cleverley, as a country we tolerate all faiths, its time to make a stand againstbut this is not islam and as british christian people we do not want to hear the call to islam only the chimes from our beautiful cathedrals
D Summers, Kent, Britain
I hope the council does not pay over due attention to the Bishop of Oxford. The 'church says its OK' so it must be OK. Who elected the Bishop? We live in a secular country with a Christian culture and our forebears have paid dearly for our freedoms to live in peace and quiet in our own homes. The folk who built this country and who are also the majority in this country like the country as it is. Why are we tolerating this obnoxious minority and bending over backwards to respect them when clearly they have little respect for us. But paradoxically they want in ever greater numbers to come live in our lovely country. Does anyone have the figures for how many westerners emigrate to Muslim countries - I think it will be rowing boat numbers. We are a tolerant long suffering people but when are we going to tells this noisy lot to shut up or go back to the various paradises on earth that they left to come here. There is a big difference between emigration and cultural invasion.
James, Exeter, Devon
I think if it were my decision I would refuse the request on the grounds firstly that Islam is not tolerant of other faiths and secondly that no faith has the right to impose its propaganda on those people who are not interested..
If the JWs or some other group, or even a church wanted to broadcast their propaganda in this way, I would similarly refuse any such planning consent.
Why are the Oxford Liberal Democrats dithering about it?
Steven Ring, South West UK,
In Hamtramack, Michigan the city caved in by declaring that the muezzin's call is a cultural feature to be allowed. At the same time the council prohibits the ringing of church bells under a noise ordnance.
I think western civilization is opting for suicide.
Jon Maynard, Lansing MI, usa
So they think they can walk into our country by the millions, then start abusing our religion! Now they want to wail out the top of a their church, this just gets worse! When i am finished with school i will be leaving this country to a country which respects faiths but also keeps the country's faith the most prominent.
Joe Carmichael, Leeds, England
I cannot believe this idea is being entertained. Not only is this a sop to a very small and radical minority which will irritate the majority to real violence , but also having worked in Istanbul (and I believe Cairo is worse) the endless competitive call to prayer causes noise pollution almost beyond endurance. The call to prayer nowadays is not carried out by some little old man with a beard - some heavy duty sound systems are involved. It is a stupid idea - every call to prayer is a recruitment prayer to the BNP and the National Front.
dave, slough,
What is it with these people? Do they think they are living in an Islamic country? Next they'll be wanting us to work on Sunday and make Friday our holy day.
Andy Gill, London,
I too have a suggestion. Allow the bells to ring and the muezzin to be broadcast, however, when they are broadcast, have a sound recognition unit on a roof top nearby that will then immediately kick in with a deep basso voice proclaiming "GODS ARE EVIL, RELIGION IS EVIL, EXISTENCE EXISTS" over and over until the muezzin and the bells stop. Cacophony would become symphony!
Capman, Victoria, Canada
i live in london and there are already similar calls for call to prayer here. i do not think this is a good idea; muslims through out the country ought to come clean with their intentions. if you have existed for so long without such a call, why the need for it now?
a sulaiman, london, uk
âI do not believe in the imposition of another culture on our country.â
It makes sense. Anyone immigrating to the UK or any european country for that matter needs to respect the cultures there rather than attempt to colonize with their own. The UK is not a muslim kingdom and that must be respected.
Chris, Hitchin,
Presumably a wrist watch with an alarm would remind people sufficiently?
Or perhaps a Text system to mobile phones for subscribers?
Hearing a loudspeaker will be annoying and intrusive in exactly the same way as being forced to hear music you don't like.
It is not a good idea at all.
Paul, Northampton, UK
Just thought of an idea which could help. The Mosque could have a 'call to prayer' transmitter rig installed on the roof (special frequency according to law) Each Muslim family in the vicinity could be provided with a small dedicated radio (money used from the collection box). Every 'call to prayer' could be transmitted from the Mosque to the homes of Muslims who could tune in to this call on their personal radio's. That way the message goes directly to those people who require it...and everyone is happy ?
Mohammed, London, UK
What rot. Who is he to decide what is un-English? I am English (for generations back) and I wasn't driven out of my home by the bell ringing on the quarter hour from St Mary's. I left the country, it's true, but only because of the Great British Inebriation and its resultant degradation of the society. I think as a clergyman he ought to be addressing that, rather than a call to prayer.
RW, Istanbul,
Actually i don't think 'calls to prayer' are necessary in our modern day hi-tech world. Everybody has access to Islamic prayer times via their mobile phones, Internet web sites, satellite/radio stations and other gadgets...even monthly leaflets picked-up from the Mosques. Calls to prayer are not going to increase the number of worshippers. It's only going to increase hatred of Muslims.
Mohammed, London, UK