Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times
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A move to allow women bishops in the Anglican Church in Wales has failed tonight by just three votes.
Had the vote passed, the Church in Wales would have joined Scotland and Ireland in permitting women to be consecrated to the episcopate, leaving England the only UK province not to permit it.
Neither Scotland nor Ireland has yet appointed a woman to a diocese however, meaning that Wales has probably passed up on the opportunity to be the first province in the UK to appoint a woman bishop.
The bill, proposed by the Archbishop of Wales Dr Barry Morgan, was passed overwhelmingly by 52 votes to 19 by the laity.
But in the clergy it passed by a mere 27 votes to 18, leaving it three votes short of the two-thirds majority it needed to become canon law.
It fell after the amendment that would have offered alternative oversight for the clergy opponents also failed. Supporters of women bishops were reluctant to sanction what they regarded as institutionalised schism.
Dr Morgan admitted that had the amendment passed, the bill would probably have “sailed through”.
He said: “I am deeply disappointed, especially since it was lost with a very low margin in the house of clergy. Although the amendment could have saved the motion, many supporters of women bishops were reluctant to sanction them because they because they feared it might institutionalise schism.
“It was just three votes. The same thing happened over the ordination of women to the priesthood 11 years ago. That later went through at the second attempt. It is an issue that is not going to go away or be ignored. The Church in Wales will have to grapple with it. I am sad that we have to go through the whole process again.”
London’s Putney Vicar Giles Fraser, founder of the Inclusive Church campaigning group, said: “It’s an absolute disgrace. If women are good enough to be priests they are good enough to be bishops. Anything other than this is a theological nonsense.”
Canon Mary Stallard, chaplain to the Bishop of St Asaph, said: “The moment will come back. We are very disappointed. It is not totally unexpected. But we are looking forward to bringing it back. This issue will not be ignored.”
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I do not think that Helen Lewis has any idea of the challenges of the world that clergy deal with. For most it is not a cosy retreat but a very busy life with little time for oneself. Perhaps if she were a cleric herself she would understand. The debate will go on on the subject of women bishops but the clergy who are against it have their beliefs and need some recognition of thie in the form of a bishop who can minister to them.
Edith Morgan, Swansea, Wales
No surprises there then; just like turkeys, the pompously hypocritical God-squad clerics don't vote for Xmas.
I continue to thank the society of Great Green Lizard worshippers that I am an atheist.
Joseph White, Loughborough , UK
Question:
What does the bible say about it? The moral man made standards of our modern secular society are not to be mixed up with the unchanging nature of God and his living Word. Everything should be tested...the evil one will be amongst us all as a wolf in sheep's clothing...Jesus came for the sick, the confused and the lost - so we need to maintain Gods love for people. Let's not become too legalistic about things but this does not mean that we conform to 60's liberalism either. Instead, let's apply biblical teaching to modern day issues - that are in fact virtually identical to those 2000 years ago...
Dan, London, UK
The voting figures demonstrate that the clergy are completely out of touch with the laity they purport to serve. This raises serious questions about the quality and education of CinW clergy. This lot are clinging on to power and privilege, governed by neurotic fear of change (a fancy word for this is "conscience"). William Temple said that the church was the only institution which existed for the good of those outside it; for these clergy it's a cosy little retreat from the challenges of the world in which most people live.
Helen Lewis, Pwllheli, Wales
so, according to the church
14 day old hybrid embryos should be treated as equal human beings.
women should not.
how god must be laughing...
steven, woking, surrey
I doubt the good old church leadership would stand for such new-fangled notions.
For a start, if it was company law they were bound by, that would be 75% of the shareholders, and presumably that means asking (let's say) 250,000 people for their opinion. That would be tantamount to democracy!
Stuart H., Ramsey, Isle of Man,
If it's a such nonsense why can't you muster a 75% majority, as would be required in company law for this sort of change?
Philippa Pirie, London, England
Dinosaurs, Ian?
Have the Anglican clergy progressed that much in a decade?
Crikey, they'll be walking upright before we know it!
Stuart H., Ramsey, Isle of Man,
In the begining there were dinosaurs....and those dinosaurs still run the church today !!!!
Ian Payne, WALSALL,