Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
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The Church of England is proposing to tear up hundreds of years of tradition by establishing spiritual havens for opponents of women priests and bishops.
In a desperate attempt to stave off a schism over female ordination, church leaders have suggested the creation of new dioceses based on gender rather than geography.
The proposal – allowing some parishes to flee from the prospect of women bishops to male bishops hundreds of miles away – is one idea intended to preserve the unity of the Anglican Communion amid intense anger among millions of conservative church members.
But it risks antagonising liberals who believe that Anglicanism should not offer a compromise.
Critics said that the solution, which aims to allow for the consecration of women bishops without disenfranchising a substantial minority of opponents, would leave the established Church resembling a “Gruyère cheese”, with large holes left in dioceses.
The plans were published yesterday as church leaders braced themselves for bitter argument at this summer’s ten-yearly Lambeth Conference in Canterbury of the Anglican Communion’s bishops from around the world. Divisions in the Church between liberals and conservatives will be heightened today by comments by the Church’s first openly gay bishop in The Times. The Right Rev Gene Robinson is set to attend Lambeth after his “gay wedding”, against the wishes of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams.
In his book, serialised in The Times today, Bishop Robinson, the Bishop of New Hampshire, condemned what he described as “destructive, adolescent bullying” over the consecration of women and gays.
Proposals to establish new dioceses were published yesterday by a group chaired by the Bishop of Manchester, the Right Rev Nigel McCulloch. The report demands that the majority, who support women’s ordination, accept that the “theological convictions of those unable to receive the ordained ministry of women are within the spectrum of Anglican teaching and tradition”. Those who hold them should therefore be able to receive pastoral and sacramental care “in a way that is consistent with their convictions”, it says.
The report gives warning that to consecrate women without safeguards for opponents “would trigger a period of uncertainty and turbulence within the Church of England”. Many priests and congregations would undoubtedly leave, it says. “The Church of England that emerged at the end of the process might possibly be more cohesive; it would undoubtedly be less theologically diverse.”
The report breaks new ground by addressing how women can become bishops rather than whether they should. Previous attempts have foundered because of the problem of how to go with the majority support for women bishops while preserving a space for opponents without appearing to be discriminating or half-hearted about women bishops.
The solution of extra-geographical dioceses is one of several proposed, but among the structural solutions it is the favoured option and would appear to be the least complex. However, questions would arise over which cathedrals served the new dioceses, or whether new ones were needed.
Even though about half of those now in training for the priesthood are women, the opposition to them within the Church has barely shrunk. Currently, opponents of women priests remain in their original dioceses and are cared for by traditionalist “flying bishops” but that would not be acceptable to them if their diocesan bishop was a woman. The report proposes ending that arrangement.
Bishop McCulloch said: “The central issue for the Church is the extent to which it wishes to accommodate the breadth of theological views that it currently encompasses in relation to women priests and bishops.”
Forward in Faith, the traditionalist group that had argued for a new, third province, said: “We are pleased that the report appears to have addressed most, if not all, of the issues we raised and that it seems . . . to include proposals which those unable to receive the ordination of women as bishops could in good conscience embrace.”
Lambeth and Rome
— In 1992 the General Synod voted to allow the ordination of women priests; the first 1,000 were ordained two years later
— Of the 470 male clergy who left the Church of England in protest, 58 returned. Many were accepted by Rome
— The synod voted in principle in 2005 to remove the legal barriers to women becoming bishops
— The Church has 7,109 full-time, paid male priests and 1,507 full-time, paid female priests. If unpaid and part-time clergy are included there are 8,785 men and 3,119 women
Sources: Church of England, religioustolerance.org
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to whom it may concern. the laws concerning the treatment of slaves and sodomits were given to the one nation, that of israel only. laws and commandments subsequently replaced with the advent of jesus when a new covenant was made. concerning the sabbath, there is no sabbath day for a christian.
ste]hen baron, leith, tasmania
This whole issue is an exercise in trying to integrate the American Constitution into the unwritten constitution of the UK. HRH The Prince of Wales is aware of the problems involved, but is nevertheless committed to the exercise, since he wishes to be crowned "Defender of Faiths", in the plural.
Edmund Burke, Kingston upon Thames, England
I sympathize with the opponents of women bishops, but I really think it's time they left the CofE. I left a number of years ago and haven't looked back. If they don't want to become Roman Catholics, there are plenty of independent evangelical churches that would welcome them.
Philip, Wellingborough, UK
There should be no compromise. Have women not suffered enough because of religion? I say that those conservative anglicans who are so afraid of women should take a leaf out of Jesus' book and love thy neighbour, turn the other cheek or deal with the fact that some women want to serve god.
Marina Kyriacou, Larnaca, Cyprus
If those who cannot accept women's ministry get their own dioceses, what when there is a woman Archbishop of Canterbury? Is it a ploy to bar that, despite the excellent women bishops and leaders of national churches & Victoria and both Elizabeth I & II having been head of the church?
Jenny, Manchester,
Mr Burgess-Parker queried: "So Stephen Barron from Tasmania, do you think because the Bible talks about treating your slaves fairly, that we should all be keeping slaves?"
There is a law against inflicting cruelty on animals. It does not imply that one must keep a pet.
Deon Irish, Cape Town, South Africa
I hope putting the Bible into practice as proposed by Stephen Baron does not include stoning gays, keeping slaves, stoning shopkeepers who stay open on a sunday & killing the men folk of cities belonging to those who hold alternative beliefs and abducting the women? that's the Bible folks!
kevin, Lincoln, UK
So Stephen Barron from Tasmania, do you think because the Bible talks about treating your slaves fairly, that we should all be keeping slaves?
There are many indications in Acts that women held positions of high responsibility, and exercised great ministry.
Gordon Burgess-Parker, Leek, England
Christianity was never meant to be democratic or populist. Jesus was crucified for His message and his [non-compromising] disciples are still persecuted and executed to date. These Church leaders were simply meant to bear the standard but continue to redefine it. Thereby turning into tombstones!
David Pitan, Surrey, UK
just one question. has any member of the c.o.e ever read the bible?. if they have,maybe putting it into practice may solve a lot of their problems. just one final comment, i've looked but cannot find a use by date on my version of the bible anywhere.
stephen baron , leith, tasmania
One further stage in the slow break-up of the Anglican communion. Some will remain true to the age old values & faith of the Universal Church; others, led by the American Episcopal church, will follow their own primrose path & adopt the secular outlook of the world. 'Twas ever thus.
Dave, Wrexham,
I couldn't agree with Lyn from Birmingham more. It astounds me that this is an issue in this day and age. Note also that "the Monarch is the the Supreme Governor of the church " doesn't this leave the 'no women' brigade in a rather difficult position?
Nigel, Camberley, UK
Greg. Well said. the only honest comment.
Feminism is a divisive doctrine perpetrated against us all, to create weaker than the sum of humanity to be picked off by the State. Well done the State what a mess you have got us in. When are you taking over? AH! you have
Mark, Gateshead, UK
Will Heaven (if it exists) have separate entrances for man, women and "other"?
Hugo, Hobart , Tasmania
More idiocy looming with this latest religious drama.
I personaly think it more important for people to adhere to a Christian code of conduct as far as integrating with fellow human beings whether or not they ever enter a church.
Morals and scruples are the key.
Dek Crossingham, Birmingham, England
Sophie and Des, the "Church" which you seek is a Secular Humanist Organisation, and not the Church of Christ, which He founded when he appointed 12 male apostles. Are you suggesting that God Almighty, the Creator of the World, did not know what He was doing ? Trust & obey, do not rewrite Scripture
Anna, Daventry, England
There is something radically unchristian in all this wrangling!! When, oh when, shall we hear that our clergy, are fasting, praying and holding all-night prayer vigils, in order to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Mind of Our Lord and Saviour in all these areas of difficulty?
Christine Cornelius, Llangammarch Wells, Wales, U.K.
Greg Lorriman: few people would argue that men and women are the same; but they are - or should be - equal in social status, opportunity, rights and so forth. People are individual human beings before they are anything else and gender must not be a reason to keep a person down.
Lyn, Birmingham,
Are the Church of England also going to create Gender Havens for Homosexual priests at the same time, as these are a greater problem then women priests and Bishops?
Derek Cox, Bodmin, UK
I think people are getting really fed up with religions and doctrines that seem have low moral and ethical standards, no true historical provenance and no element of goodness rammed down their throats. I think MPs emphasising religion at the next election will be an electoral liability for Parties.
Keith , Rayleigh, England
"millions of conservative church members"
I really dont think so, they dont have millions of members.
also most of the priests who left will be those still working beyond retirement age and have just given this as their reason for leaving as a last jibe at a world they no longer understand
Mike FW, Porthmadog, United Kingdom
Have the Church not heard of the Sex Discrimination Act, which is supposed to make jobs available to men and women equally?
Chris Manley, Llanelli, Wales
I still remember the policy of "two integritys"
talk about high church, its more like High comedy.
Mike FW, Porthmadog, United Kingdom
Ruth Gledhill says the C of E is proposing to establish "spiritual havens for opponents of women priests and bishops." The C of E official website says "The Group does not offer a recommendation of its own but analyses the pros and cons of each approach." Not for the first time Ruth is misleading.
Colin James, Wokingham, England
Sophie Green:"Why shouldn't men and women have the same rights?"
Men and women are self-evidently not equal. We are complements of each other. Feminists have characterised the feminine as degrading, but actually it is wonderful. For a deeper union one marries one's complement, not one's soulmate.
Greg Lorriman, Leatherhead, UK
If I remember rightly the priests who objected to women being ordained left the Church with £30,000 in their collection plates. A well known feminist female writer - who shall remain nameless - was 'married' to a *** male priest and they took the money and ran! Hilarious!
Lyn Ibbitson, Burnham Overy-Staithe, UK
What would Jesus (who did much in his lifetime to improve the recognition and status of women) have said about all this?
Sue Barnard, Altrincham, UK
This is not a gender haven - it is a haven for men who cannot accept that theology has moved on since the Middle Ages. By all means let such men have male only sanctums but please call these by a name that does not pretend to be gender neutral or else have women only spaces as well.
Chris , London, UK
This is a proposal to avert schism? It would enshrine and institutionalise schism! A typical example of the CoE wanting to say two contradictory things at the same time.
Stephen Jones, Carnforth, UK
One of the great arguments for women priests at the time of the great debate was that there was no question of there ever being women bishops and no one was suggesting there ever should be. Talk about giving an inch and taking a mile!!!
John Ledbury, Kings Lynn, England
This is a sad situation that it is even an issue. Why shouldn't men and women have the same rights? I think it's disgusting in our society of striving equality that this is even a debat. Good riddence to those 470 priests that left!!
sophie green, basingstoke, England
A classic case of navel gazing whilst the gap between the disengaged and the trapped widens - A pox on both their houses
Adrian
Adrian Wait, Leicester, England
Who says religion is not divisive? Here we have a proposal from the Church of England which will enshrine gender inequality. I do not see how an organisation that seeks to impose such obvious discrimination on its members can continue to receive public money.
Des, Edinburgh,
When the Christian Church was formed the leaders would accept death rather than compromise their principles. If accepting female clergy is now a guiding principle of the Cof E why are their leaders changing the entire church because some members are shouting loudly. Schisms have happened before.
Marei Butler, Plymouth, UK
How about dioceses for "cultural Christians" who still consider themselves members of the CofE for the sake of tradition and coffee mornings, but don't believe any of the superstitious nonsense.
John Dale, Sunderland,
Ruth Gledhill refers to''women bishops' and 'male bishops' in the same sentence. She compounds it by writing of 'women priests' and 'male clergy'.
The reduction of men to mere 'males' is nothing less than feminist prejudice. When a man refers, correctly, to priestesses, the sisterhood is up in arms
Mark Pascoe, Truro, UK
And a haven for redheads, too.
One ginger diocese, please.
Michael Fish, San Luis Obispo, CA, USA