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A leading Anglican bishop has condemned conservatives as "demonic" for using his church as a punch bag.
The Bishop of Washington, the Right Rev John Chane, a leading liberal in the Episcopal Church in the United States, accused conservatives of leading the church in a "dangerous" direction.
Bishop Chane, whose diocese covers the American capital, said: "I think it's really very dangerous when someone stands up and says, 'I have the way and I have the truth and I know how to interpret holy scripture and you are following what is the right way.'
"I think it's really very, very dangerous and I think it's demonic ... the Episcopal Church has been demonised. It has been a punching bag and I'm sick of being a punching bag as a Bishop and I'm sick of my church, my province being a punching bag. Do we deserve criticism, absolutely. No question about it."
Bishop Chane is one of the 125 bishops from the Episcopal Church attending the Lambeth Conference, a gathering of 650 Anglican bishops from 38 provinces around the world in Canterbury.
About 230 bishops, mainly from the Global South provinces of Nigeria, Uganda, Rwanda and Kenya, are boycotting the conference because of the liberal direction of the Western church on sexuality and the Bible. More than 290 conservatives, including most of the 230, attended the recent Global Anglican Future Conference, or Gafcon, in Jerusalem which set up an alternative Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans to rival the official structures of the Anglican Communion.
Bishop Chane was talking to a BBC2 documentary on Gafcon, Battle of the Bishops, to be broadcast soon.
Dr Peter Akinola, the Nigerian primate, who is among those boycotting Lambeth, told the BBC: "Gafcon is a rescue mission - it is our duty to rescue whatever is left of the church from error, from all those, whoever they are, who have chosen to mutilate, to distort and to even deny the Gospel and to preach something different from what we know."
The Archbishop of Jos, in Nigeria, Benjamin Kwashi, another Lambeth boycotter and a man tipped as a likely successor to Dr Akinola, criticised the last Lambeth conference, held ten years ago. He said: "At Lambeth 98 we were looking for a place where we could cry our hearts out and pray and look for the support of the wider Church who would bless us and pray for us. You don't need much money, you just need some words of encouragement. Those things were absent.
"Respect is earned. When it is thrown away, gathering it can be difficult. From the Mother Church of England, there is the assumption that therefore we can do anything and Africans will automatically come with us, or respect us. I think that is an insult.
"So now Gafcon is an alternative to that, where we can cry together, look at our struggles, HIV and Aids problems, infant mortality, all those issues that dehumanise us as Africans. The wider Anglican world, if you ask my opinion, don't want to listen to us.'
BBC 2's This World: Battle of the Bishops is on July 21 at 7pm.
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This is the same Bishop in the Funeral of the late President Gerald Ford could not read the scripture verse; John 14:6 as in its entirety "Jesus said to him, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through Me. He sliced the last sentence.
John, Norfolk, USA
There are differences of opinion which is not surprising in individuals. But what sort of people will allow an institution like the Church of England to suffer, and potentialy destroy it, simply because they want to change its centuries old ways. Arrogance and pride reach new heights.
John Goodrick, Seattle, USA
John 16:12 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
Lisa Sky, atlanta, usa
What ego! Arrogance! Sharp tongue! When you don't like the criticism, cannot answer by reason & exegesis, just throw a temper tantrum, just condemn others as 'demonic'. This is the kind of leadership from the North American Episcopal/Anglican church for a long time - wonder why people are leaving??
Warren Lai, Toronto, Canada
Thank God for prophetic and compassionate leaders like John Chane, who rise above the prejudices of our day. Through his witness, the church affirms that humans are created with gifts for leadership and a capacity for covenanted relationships that he refuses to reject, though others reject him.
LW, Chicago, USA
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Mark, Toronto, Canada
Another example of whining religionist liberals.
One wonders what he and his truly demonic friends in Teheran have to talk about!
Bill Channon, Francestown,
At a Holy Commujnion service, Easter, 1972, when I heard an Episcopal priest say from the pulpit that Jesus' bones were probably bleaching somewhere in the Middle East, that we just need to think of him as risen, thaas the last straw for me. I fled that corrupt denomination for Rome---happy day!
Beverly Sharp, Garland, USA
He's probably a follower of Bishop Spong, who famously rejected the Divinity of Christ and dismissed his miracles as "Fairy Tales". People like him are why the ECUSA is dying.
Mike, Peoria, US
When we come back to the basics, Bishop Chane will find himself on the wrong side. Conservative Christianity is not homophobic just in the same way others who are in the wrong are not feared nor hated. They still belong to the church but their errors do not.
Nnoke, Yenagoa, Nigeria
Bishop Chane presumably stands up in his pulpit and says: "I don't have the way and I don't have the truth and I don't know how to interpret holy scripture and you are not following what is the right way, but hey, folks, listen to me anyway. At least I'm not demonic ... I hope."
Bernard O'Callaghan, Chorley, Lancs
"As an Episcopalian I can only say one thing to this Bishop. Goodbye and take Mrs Schiori with you. I hope the door does'nt hit you on the way out."
Actually Desmond, I think that is what they are saying to you and those like you who sow the seeds of conflict and discontent wherever they go.
J.C. Connors, Centerville, USA
Reading some of these comments it is pathetic to see how backwards much of the world still is today. Aligning themselves with 3rd world countries kind of says it all. There just isn't much hope for humanity, we will eventually self-destruct.
J.C. Connors, Centerville, USA
Thank God that there are Christian's who will stand for the Truth of Biblical Christianity. It is truly sad to see that a group of relatively new believers have to stand up for Christ and hold to the Truth against an established (West). It reminds me of early Christianity vs. the Religious leaders.
Gary Mills, Clintondale, NY, USA
Roger, did you not read what Jesus said when challenged? "... a man shall leave his father & mother and shall cleave to his wife ". The type started up by God was of a man and his wife; that's what would follow. This precludes adultery, fornication, bestiality, homosexuality, and solitairism.
Costas E. Ioannou, Limassol, Cyprus
I wish life was as simple as some of these very confident comments suggest. what about all those struggling with their faith in the face of such self righteous and glib comments about whos way is right? I tell you, they are giving up the search. I hope you can all face that when the harvest comes.
clare, cheshire,
and where did Jesus say anything at all on the subject of homosexuals? The idea that Paul or anyone else spoke for Jesus as Jesus is clearly false. What is really at stake is not scripture, but a certain historical interpretation of scripture that is changing as our times change. Chane is right.
Roger, Washington, D.C. , USA
We can hurl Bible verses backwards and forwards at each other, but in the end no-one wins.
Sadly I see no way out of this mess until there is a REAL schism. Another denomination for those who wish to bend God's Word to suit modern 'western' liberalism, and another for the orthodox.
PeterR, Australia,
Bishop Chane won't have a church to punch in 25 years anyway. He and the other Western Liberals whose inclusiveness includes acceptance of everything and anything under the sun, except conservative Anglicans, will self-destruct their own churches.
PaulR, New York, USA
Jesus on Marriage; "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."
Joseph, South Harrow, UK
Lets Love one another not hate each other. Show the rigthtway and not seek fault in other's way. Jesus is a big tent for everyone. No man is a judge but thee; "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble
Joseph, South Harrow, UK
Bishop Chane is beloved in this diocese for his wisdom and compassion, qualities little in evidence among his detractors here. He is absolutely right about those who have made our acceptance of gay people a reason to try to split the Anglican Communion. We see it as bigotry and a power grab.
James F. Warren , Washington, DC, United States
Bishop Chane, put all that you are, have, know, and long for, under the control of the Living God and his Son Jesus Christ. Then, not only will you be shown the difference between Truth and demonic forces, but the people of a divided and heart-sick America will rise up and call you blessed!
Ros Weeks, Ottawa, Canada
"I think it's really very dangerous when someone stands up and says, 'I have the way and I have the truth and I know how to interpret holy scripture and you are following what is the right way.'
...funny that reminds me of some one...can't think who???
Kevin, Edinburgh,
"I think it's really very dangerous when someone stands up and says... I know how to interpret holy scripture...I think it's really very, very dangerous and I think it's demonic ..."
The protestant false doctrine of Sola Scriptura taken to its logical conclusion.
James, Santa Paula, Ca, USA
John Kivell,
You apparently don't know what love is. If one is doing wrong and harming his soul, is it love to support that and make him think that all is well? If one is walking toward a cliff, but he thinks he's on the right path, is it love to not correct him, so that he'll feel better?
James, Santa Paula, CA , USA
What a remarkably uncharitable (and ergo, unChristian) comment by a member of the leadership of the U.S. Episcopal Church towards many of his brothers and sisters throughout the Anglican Communion. I should think the bishop might be in need of absolution for that one.
Keith Toepfer, Bothell, Washington, USA
But isn't that what John Chane is doing? And how about the use of that word 'demonic' . . sounds a bit errr 'fundamentalist' don't you think?
Bill, Yeovil, UK
Thanks to liberals like John Chane, the Anglican Church has trivialized itself out of existence. Close the doors, and would the last churchwarden to leave turn the lights out. What a pathetic institution!
Ian Edghill, Newcastle, Barbados
Clearly, fire & brimstone Rev. Chane thinks he has the way, has the truth, & his interpetation of holy scripture is the right way. Refuse to tow his line & he will denounce you a "demonic" heretic. People are fed up with liberals using the church as a punching bag to enforce their fascist doctrines.
Cathy Hansen, Ruckersville, Virginia, USA
The Gospel According to John Chane
Jesus said, You are the way the truth and the life. All go to the father, no matter what they believe. It makes no difference if you know me or not. From now on you know him through what you believe."
The Liberal Bible (Heresy Press)
Clem, Perth, Australia
Pray for the man for he is lost!
Bob , Blountsville, USA
The punching bag in North America are the persecuted minority of orthodox congregations.They are being sued by their liberal Bishops and driven out of their church buildings.
Whatever happened to the "broad church?"
Tim Tunbridge, Sydney, Australia
In the Gospel of Matthew chap 9 verse 34 the Pharisees said Jesus was demon-possessed. In Matthew chap 10 verses 24-25 Jesus says people are bound to say the same thing about his disciples. And now an Episcopal Bishop calls conservatives demonic. Conclusion: conservatives must be the true disciples!
Jason, Melbourne, Australia
Demons acknowledged Jesus, but did not submit to him. The liberal 'church' acknowledges Jesus, but they seem to dismiss every one of his commandments except for a couple of 'love your neighbor' ones. Perhaps they would do well to acknowledge, listen, and obey the rest of Jesus' teachings too.
Ali Sulian, Sydney, Australia
Astounding to me he would say that - Jesus said He is the Way - is Chane saying that Jesus is demonic? How typical of the Episcopal whatever to elevate someone like this.
Chey, Phoenix AZ, USA
The African bishops are right. You don't need an interpretation of the word 'abomination.' Everyone knows what it means. People go astray, we know that, and the church tries to lead them back, but when the church starts agreeing that wrong is right, how can it lead them back?
Paul, Sai Kung, Hong Kong
I've met Bp. Chane and the irony is that what he's really saying is that HIS is the only way. Trying being a conservative in his diocese. They'll sue you so fast, you won't see it coming. The man goes around calling anyone who disagrees with him "Demonic" and then preaches love? I don't buy it.
Wm, Washington, DC, USA
In reply to ml johnston,New Fairfield,US
The 1st commandment indicates that we are to obey God, which includes Matthew 9:4-6
Instead of treating Christianity as a buffet lunch in which you pick and choose only what you like, you should accept the entire Faith, which includes the entire Holy Bilbe
AMP, Owen Sound, Canada
"Where does it say" but only love heterosexuals."
And just who is saying this? You are putting up a straw man.
John Kivell, Edson, AB, Canada
Thou shalt love thy God with all thy heart and mind and soul. The second commandment is like unto it; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyselfThese are God's commandments. Where does it say" but only love heterosexuals. I have yet to see it.
Bishops are to follow God's commandments aren't they?
ml johnston, New Fairfield, US
Most of us will think "who cares"! When the churches spend their time debating whether this, or that, is the "right" doctrine to follow, rather than getting on with actually helping people most of us know their time has long past by. Use common sense and then get on with real things.
David N House, wisbech,
Bishop Chane says, "I think it's...very dangerous when someone stands up and says, 'I have the way and I have the truth and I know how to interpret holy scripture...." and accused conservatives of leading the church in a "dangerous" direction. How hypocritical. Liberals are the ones doing this.
Stephen, Camden, Maine, USA
It is strange for a liberal Bishop to accuse others of being 'demonic' because, if pressed, liberals would deny the real existence of demons as they do the other supernatural elements of the Christian faith such as miracles.
Chris Nel, Ripon, England
"as a Bishop and I'm sick of my church, my province being a punching bag. Do we deserve criticism, absolutely. No question about it."
What is Bishop Chane's problem? Maybe the criticism he believes the Church unquestionably deserves is coming as punches.
George , Pelham Manor, United States
The bishop says he is tired of the Episcopal Church being a punching bag. That's just perfect. My organization first and foremost! The idea that Christ should be the center and focus of the church is forgotten.
Bill M, Webster Twp., MI, USA
Funny how bishops can say what internet posters can't.
Jim Guest, G. Manchester,
I am appalled that any bihop of the Anglican Church - or i9ndeed of any church - should defend sexual perverts
John Girling, Sherborne,
The Bishop says it is dangerous for conservatives to say "I have the way and I have the truth". Surely they are simply pointing to Jesus Christ who said of himself "I am the way and the truth". It seems that liberals find it more politically expedient to say no-one knows the way or the truth!
Chris Nel, Ripon, England
As an Episcopalian I can only say one thing to this Bishop. Goodbye and take Mrs Schiori with you. I hope the door does'nt hit you on the way out.
Desmond Taylor, Houston, USA TX
Considering the Anglican church was founded to allow Henry to get yet another divorce, I don't see the problem with further departures from Jesus' teachings. One cannot break what is already broken.
Sam Adriaens, Minneapolis, USA
"I think it's really very dangerous when someone stands up and says, 'I have the way and I have the truth...'".
Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life". There really is one way and one truth, not a fuzzy "anything goes" mish-mash.
TimF, Worcester, UK
When Jesus did what was right He was accused of having a demon. And it seems downright odd that a 'bishop' would take offense at the interpretation of holy scripture - haven't bishops been doing that for centuries? This man's credibility is shot anyway because he ignored the decision of 1998 Lambeth
Jon Do, Fayetteville, TN, USA