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ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.
The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.
Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.
Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.
It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.
Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.
Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”
The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.
In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stoked controversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financial disputes.
In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.
It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.
Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.
Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.
Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British Muslims.
Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”
Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.”
There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men.
Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.
The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.
In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.
In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.
Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.
Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones.”
Additional reporting: Helen Brooks
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Britain is a free society, perhaps too free. We need to have this RETRACTED as soon as possible. Make hell for downing street everyone! Make absolute bloody hell!
Colin, Glasgow, Scotland
Disgraceful decision to allow this. when in Rome, do as the Romans, when in the UK, do as the British.It IS that simple. It is NOT racist to suggest that all people living in the UK abide by Uk law.
I abide by dutch law as I live there. Behave yourself in someone elses house!!!
Gill Robinson, zierikzee, netherlands.
I'm gonna go and cry myself to sleep now.
What kind of disgusting country are we turning into, where we now have islamic laws?
I'm so ashamed of the UK.
Keep Britain British.
Depressed., Birmingham,
This is just the beginning, wake up people.
Make some noise to Downing street and make sure that any other law than our British Western law is the one and only law.
Now and in the future
SAM
Sam Houston, Rotterdam, The Netherlands
Most lawyers in the land argued against this and thousands signed the Downing Street petition.
It is just a disgrace
Nicola, brighton, england
Its a death blow to the wonderful way the UK has brought freedom to a great part of the world - not perfectly but at least on laws that have been proven to work. This is a farce. Canada and other commonwealth countries need to avoid this at all cost and learn from what should has happened in the UK.
Tim Mischuk, Milton, Canada
Dear Sir
I think that this is outrageous, it is a sheer insult to every British living in these united kingdoms. It goes against all Gods Law, if then, Moslems are allowed their own courts then surely Christians should be allowed their own courts as well. Before we know it we will all be living under Moslem law. I suggest we vote out this government and never allow them back in again. How they have let down Britain, this should be the last straw and the nail in their coffin, get rid of this Labour Government. And get rid of this Moslem law with them.
William Kerwin
William Kerwin, Middlesbrough, Teeside
A parallel legal system that gives special rights to males ??? Is that not in violation of practically every paragraph of human rights and anti-discrimination legislature ??? And we in Europe want god - whatever it's name - OUT of all our lawmaking. What is going on with you lot in Britain ?????????
Patricia Luz, Skagen, Denmark
thats disgraceful
one law for muslims and one for everyone else..is that it?
Daniel, Kilkenny, Ireland
Its not right. We live in britian, not the middle east. Its was recently reported that Domonos pizza are not using pork on their pizzas anymore and no meat what so ever unless it's halal meat. HANG ON!!! Im a Christian. I dont want to eat meat thats been blessed by Allah. Im not muslim.
Antony, nottingham, England
Islam has been in conflict with christianity since way back in the 11th century ? and were fought to keep them out of western society, The foolish politicians, let them take root here, and now the Gov / Church Hierarchy, are allowing them to drive another wedge into our society, Disgraceful !!
frank mchugh, falkirk,
sounds like another excuse for our lazy Police force to get out of investigations. charming. no wonder the BNP is growing in strength!
Chris Lowe, Norfolk, UK
Welcome to the union of Religion and the State. What right has any persons, tribunal, high court, or community, to enforce matters of conscience (Religion) by civil law. Our religious liberties which cost so many thousands theirs lives is being ever so quickly and stealthily taken from us. Papacy?
Jonathan, London, United Kingdom
What they don't say is that quite a lot of Muslims who struggle to get to the UK actually want to get away from Shariah law.
Jim, Swansea,
Can I just point out... the tribunal can only rule on matters which any other tribunal (be they based on christian, jewish or mickey mouse law) can rule on as well. Their decisions are enforceable only in relation the matters that they rule on. They cannot sanction stoning to death or 4 marriages!
s, Birmingham,
This is absolute non-sense. You should get out and educate yourself rather than believing everything you read in tabloids. Domestic Violence has existed in UK and other western nations including USA since their inception. It is ignorant to mark it as a Muslim problem. MAT is a positive initiative
Speed, Manchester,
It's too late people. Read the demographics and statistics. the muslims have already out bred you. Spain, Russia, the UK, Germany and France are all at a point of no return. The majority poulation will be Muslim and Sharia law will rule the Earth. What can you do about it? Receive Jesus Christ
Simon, Los Angeles, USA
This is exactly the sort of "back door" enforcing of Sharia law in the UK that I have been worried about for many years. As a woman I am extremely concerned that the freedoms my mother and grandmother fought for are being eroded away. We must work to change and stop this now.
Claire, Oxford, UK
This is an absolute disgrace! UK Laws forbit any kind of domestic violence, and any form of civil violence, even our policemen cant use violence against the UK citisens.
UK law forbits any form of discrimination!
You cant pass Muslim laws in UK! This is outrageous!
Mary, Manchester, UK
Are you people utterly insane ? No. I know you are not. Why in the name of all that is good do you then adapt 12th century legislation into 21st century society ? Find out wich of the people you elected into office committed this offense against democracy and then stop voting for these gimps.
Jon de Linde, Copenhagen, Denmark
OMG! I can't believe you gave in! If you go to Saudi Arabia, are they going to give you the same priviledge? "Oh, I'm sorry my ankle is showing, but I am British. Yes, I know I'm drinking a pint, but I'm British." You wouldn't expect them to bend their rules and they shouldn't expect more of you.
Michelle, Midland, USA
Our country, our laws. Come to Briatin expect to adopt the civil practice in place. If i went to Saudi Arabia would I get one off my hands cut off for stealing. Probz.
Micahel, Livingston,
The point is not that these "courts" exist but that they are backed up by our judicial system. If people want to resolve boundary disputes or things of a similar nature within their community then I have no problem with that but don't make our courts and our police enforce those decisions.
Colin, Peterborough, UK
Appalling!
We Froggies were so proud of you, our old cherished enemy, when you were fighting Hitler alone in the summer of 1940!
What happened to you? More than any other country in Europe you are capitulating without a fight to the darkest ideology ever conceived.
BL from Occupied France
Bernard Laudon, Toulon, FRANCE
Mr. Churchill and the words he spoke in 1942:
"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy".
Betsy, Chicago, USA
Britian has been a bastion of law for all the world for centuries! There are no buildings, now towns in all the western worId as great as London. Don't let this happen. Tell them NO - GO BACK TO YOUR MUSLIM COUNTRY. NO. Fight them - or your children and mine will have to.
Betsy , Chicago, USA
Religious courts cannot be impartial because they have an imperitive to promote the religion.
The comment in the article is but a single example: there is no point saving a marraige when the parties are incompatible: life only happens once and religion would condemn them to squandering it.
Vin Patel, Blackburn, uk
It is all very well to pillory the BNP, and accuse them of being thugs and criminals, but they have been warning against the Islamification of Britain for many years. That Islamification is comng ever nearer thanks to the insanity of a government who have let alland sundry into the country.
Terry, Oswestry, UK
'If they want Islamic law let them go to an Islamic country', say several people. That is the point , they want this as an Islamic country. to that degree there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. That is what they are all after, and they won't stop until they gat it. I will vote BNP from now on.
Terry, Oswestry, UK
A country can have only one set of laws. England is just asking for more problems
Walter F Bleiler Jr, Melbourne, USA
As an American who has visited the UK and who understands the insanity that is any Government, I have to say that allowing Sharia Law into Britain is brutally stupid. English law took a thousand years of evolution to reach its current state of tolerance. Now What? 7th century legal standards???
Yodan, San Jose, Calif, USA
What ever happened to civil values? What happened to the seperation of Church and State? We are more than tollerant of other people's beliefs but for religious people to be allowed to warp and corrupt our secular and humane laws is unacceptable. We need to act now before it's too late.
Nick, Cupar,
I saw this coming and its only going to continue. Sorry to say, it's time for me to leave my Country.
Price, London, UK
Ah, here comes the Jewish courts vs the Muslim courts. Guess what that is a diversionary tactic. There is no comparison. Any Muslim that wants this type of law is evil. Plain and simple. This form of "law" will destroy the UK. I'm glad I read this article, I will be stepping up efforts to rid in US.
greg jones, Santa Fe, United States of the America
It seems to be a day where we go back to the stoneage. Stoneage is the right word for this - because following the Sharia means cruel rituals like killing people with stones.The islamic rules are full of discriminations against people who are not muslim! Animals seems to be more smart than mankind.
Marc, Berlin,
i have read soo many harsh comments against sharia law even before its results,I thought british people were open minded but looks like i m wrong
Do british people know the taste of coke before they driink it? or they find, whats the taste of coke after drinking it? Ask yourself
siraj, london,
Utter nonsense. The liberals who are cheering this will regret it once the sharia law transforms from a treat for the few to an enforced islamist agenda for everyone.
Robert, Helsinki, Finland
In the Bible it states that a man can sell his daughter into slavery, oh yeah, very forward thinking. Let us not forget how women are treated in West, highest no.of teenage preganancies, divorces a plenty resulting in single women bringing up children,a multi £m porn industry exploiting women
david, Todmorden, Uk
Its nice to see how many people care about this. The majority is against it yet we all accept it! Its true, this is a political issue and not a religious one yet sharia law is founded and based on MUSLIM doctrine. If you don't like England's CHRISTIAN law then......
Frankie, london, uk
Sharia is dangerous. Anyone can set up. It is unregulated. It allows wide personal interpretation and is open to corruption. Takeyya in koranic systems allows lies and deception. One London victim agreed in sharia to be paid off by a stabber. So the rich can stab anyone. Women watch out!
ali, Bradford, UK
Appalling.
Larry, stratford,
Great - two justice systems and in a christian country. This should never have happened. One law for one country - we are bending over backwards for the minorities, while the majority get forgotten about or just dismissed without a second thought.
Chris, s'bury,
islam gave all you women the right to work and vote. so why do you take those rights in step and now think that us muslim women are opressed? pick up a history book we're not oppressed it was you women being treated as slaves our women have dignity unlike you western women we don't flaunt ourselves.
fatma, london, UK
Stand up to defend your Homelands my bretheren. Europe is the hope for Freedom and Reason. Do not sacrifice your freedom, your culture, and the future of your children and people, please. When you visit a friend you abide by his house rules, if you are not happy YOU LEAVE! he doesnt change the rules
Luke Morley, Port Macquarie, Australia (Proud of European Heritage)
Will the last person to leave Britian, please put out the lights! I don't take credit for that line, but I do feel this is one of the most abject capitulations in world history. Why can't the liberal world understand this - Muslims want to conquer lands where they are minorities. They hate everybody
Rakesh Simha, Auckland, New Zealand
Why spend all this money to set up sharia courts? Is this coming out of our taxes? What about more police or may be clean hospitals for british tax payers not health tourists from the middle east! This is all our fault because we let our elected leaders please themselves....just look at tony blair!?
Frankie, london, uk
"The Geneva Conventions borrow heavily from Shar'ia law.. "
Waqas Ahmad,"
Perhaps Wasqas would be good enough to provide some examples? Or perhaps (as is more likely) he is just making it up!
Kevin, Portsmouth, United Kingdom
To those who see this as simple arbitration: it's not. it's the thin end of the wedge...
Dave, Liverpool, England (but wish it was elsewhere)
I don't think this is right. It's not the Islamic aspect of it, Christianity and Judaism are equally as absurd. The whole point of a Judicial system is to attempt to reach a fair, unbiased decision, which is impossible in a court room clouded by belief in magic and god given entitlement.
Paul Copley, Los Angeles, USA
Indians commenting on this site all I got to say to them is llok after your own affair's with Hindu fanatics running wild in India..
Tim, London, United Kingdom
Officially these courts are non-binding, but I wonder what social pressures there will be for people to attend these courts and abide by their decisions. Hopefully they will be monitored so that they are free from Sexism and Homophobia. Assuming those concerns are allayed, I see no problem.
Neil, Manchester, UK
Those who have a problem with Shari'a law know this:
The League of Nations, precursor to the UN, adopted many of its human rights laws from Shari'a law.
The Geneva Conventions borrow heavily from Shar'ia law.
Don't comment on Sharia when you don't know anything about it.
Waqas Ahmad, Nashville, USA
Ian If two equal parties wish to submit themselves to arbitration that is fine.What you are not grasping is that so many of the women who will be attending these tribunals do not start equal.Why does anyone in the UK think that a religious marriage service performed by an Imam at home is adequate
Greta, Slough, UK
Makes you wonder what deal has been done for this to happen? and with who
or are they just trying to buy votes
knight, aberdeen, uk
You have misrepresented what is happening here. Alternative dispute resolution (ADR) methods are well established; all that is happening is that Muslims who would prefer to resolve problems using sharia principles are being allowed to do so. No chopping off of limbs, no flogging.
Mark, Reading, UK
The Uk is a Christian country if people want to live under sharia law then perhaps they should move to a Muslim country .
andrew , brighton , uk
Recipe to Disaster! Now a muslim in UK can marry as many as 4 women and flood UK with muslim population. The Imam who announced that UK will be a muslim country by 2020 was indeed right. English Law is gone, now it is Sharia law.
Shaan, Chennai, India
This scares me as a liberal so i bet Conservatives are really terrified!!
I fear that the rights of muslim women will be even less than they are now, due to the overwhelmingly misogynistic views of many muslim men.
There should be a closing of this legal loophole to protect those who're affected
salima, wolverhampton,
This is a really, REALLY bad idea, and leads British Muslims further down to road of seperation from the rest of the country.
Owen, London, UK
sanna, brum, w.midls
You have got to be joking! This is the 21st century where women have responsibilty for families, not the 4th when they just did as a man commanded! Mind you then they probably didnt have to go out to work!
Sharia is indefensible in any 21st century country, especially here!
Carol Asacret, Cambridge, Cambs
I strongly support Saria law in Britain, do u know why! terrorist will get death penalty at the site. Simple. not like present UK laws they hav more rights then innocent people.
baseer, Luton, UK
Sanna Muslims in the UK are amongst the poorest. They do not have the economic power to care for an extended family We the taxpayer will end up the patsy when women are financially disadvantaged and have no pension or inheritance.
A system built around rural life cannot work here.
Nigel, Basingstoke, UK
There is no such thing as Sharia "law". In Britain, only one system of law exists. It is vital the that Muslim and Jewish systems of unofficial arbitration are not confused with law.
If the people of these faiths wish voluntarily to submit themselves to this arbitration, then so be it.
Ian Ringer, Lostwithiel, UK
This is a very sad day especially for women. How long before Muslim men will be allowed to marry 4 women and beat them with a stick as long as the stick is no thicker than his thumb as allowed by Islamic law. Jews don't proselytize and they don't want to convert the UK to Judaism unlike Muslims.
Fred, London, UK
This is absolutely disgusting; sanctioning a two tier legal system where some individuals, such as muslim women, will be treated as second class citizens. It goes against everything the british legal system is supposed to represent.
Victoria, london, uk
This is a mistake, Sharia Law is not British Law. This is unjust for the people of Britain!
Mary, Colorado Springs, USA
Not too much to say about this other than having read somewhere several years ago the Muslims indidated the UK was the first target to aquire. Seems they have there feet planted firmly on the ground.
Bert Lasagna, Charlotte, NC, USA
An absolute disgrace. I can feel my blood pressure rising. Would Christians get similar privileges in Muslim countries? I think not. What this government has done to this once great country would take generations to put right. And people wonder why the BNP are becoming more and more popular...
Peter, London,
Thank God I live in the USA. It is hard to believe after a thousand years or so of British stiff upper lip you are handing your country over without a fight.
In the USA we'll fight to keep our law and our women safe.
Stand up before it s to late.
Rico, USA
rico biasetti, Boston,
theres nothing wrong with shariah led tribunals. muslims go to these tribunals voluntariliy! its got nothing to do with anyone else!
in relation to inheritance thers a reason y men get more, men have a family to maintain, whereas women would hav a husband who has the financial maintenance role...
sanna, brum, w.midls
James Cornwall. Jewish women are not disadvantaged worldwide. Muslim women are.Also Jews in the UK have no trouble at all pledging loyalty to the Queen.Whereas Muslims in the UK seem to want to veil up which is the uniform imposed on women by those killing our soldiers.Serious disloyalty.
Neil, St Andrews, UK
Aaron yes it is entirely the job of the State to protect its citizens from violence . When this is domestic violence this does mean coming between a man and his wife. It is also the job of the State to insist on equality because otherwise the taxpayers will be footing the bill for the disadvantaged
Ben, Haywards Heath, UK
Oh grow up the Jews also had their own TRIBUNALS for over 100 years and yes domestic violence must alway's be dealt with British law not sharia.
Tim, London, United Kingdom
What happens when there is a dispute involving a muslim and a non-muslim ? Which legal system takes prioirity?
Michael, Edinburgh,
1- we are talking here mainly about Arbitration Tribunals not about a new parallel legal system.
2- in so many countries religious miniroties have their own arbitration tribunals
3-it is not the job of the state to force its law between a man & his wife if they both prefer religious arbitration..
Aaron Shavit, Manchester, UK
Unlike Sharia courts, Jewish courts haven't had a long history of sentencing females to death by stoning simply for appearing in public with an unrelated male counterpart.
Dave, Phoenix, AZ, USA
Acts like this do nothing but cause segregation. If foreign immigrants do not wish to integrate and abide by our laws then they have clearly made a mistake by coming to this country in the first place. If you decide to emigrate to Spain would it be reasonable to expect them to drive on the left?
Andy, london,
Have relatices from Britain They are not happy said Muslim's are destroying there country , Something is very wrong allowing this to happen , To many are not nice and before you know it , they will own the UK I hear France is having there problems Wake up , wake up your goverment NOW
Carol, Los Angeles, United States
No uproar of the Jewish courts that have been around for 100 years, islampohbic on the rise in britian. Jewish courts have been passing rulings for 100 years does that mean the the Jewish rabbis have been breaking british law millions of times and laughing at our system.
James, Cornwall,
Guess the title and words will need to be changed....
"Allah save the Queen"
Scott, Durham, NC, USA
Good Lord, what is happening to the UK. Muslims, like every other non-Christian group, CHOOSE to live in the UK - which is Christian country. I can see more and more parallels between the UK today and Germany in the 30s. We stand a risk of alienating the masses, who will turn agains the minorities.
Steve, Newcastle, UK
So begins the death of British Common Law, one of the greatest insitutitions of western liberal democracy. And the start of a new dark age for all of us.
D. Fitzsimmons, London, Canada
Sharia Law or any other religious law should have NO place in the UK. If people want to come and live in the UK then that is fine but expect to abide by the existing laws in place. If you cannot do this then leave because you really shouldn't be living here if you ignore our laws.
Rob T, London, UK
It seems to me that having inclusive and flexible ways of handling civil law is deeply democratic, not an "erosion of [a] democratic institution".
This is about local communities. People posting here seem to be attributing their issues with global politics to it, which is unbelievably simplistic.
Jon, Leeds, UK
If you want to live in Britain and be a British citizen, then you need to obey British law. British visitors to Islamic countries have to obey Islamic law, so why is it different the other way round?
We're a nation that's lost our own identity because we're too scared to stand up for it.
James, Stamford, UK
How can you do this to yourself, Britain? You are turning back the clocks, quietly accepting the erosion of your democratic institutions. WHY WHY WHY?!?
Joseph, LA,
I don't understand why the people of the UK are allowing their country to be taken over by Muslims. Surely they understand that there cannot be two sets of laws. A country divided cannot survive! Sir Paul MacCartney was threatened with death if he performs in Israel. What does Shiria Law say?
Tobi Ruth Love, thousand oaks, USA
This is what multiculturalism brings. The only way to appease separate ethnic groups each following very separate moral codes is for each group to have absolute rule over its own members. Sadly this does not work in anything but theory. Bet Enoch Powell doesn't seem so mad now, eh?
Ben, London, England
The British people are pathetic, first to allow the Trojan Horse of Islam into your country--and then to allow them to take over and ruin your country. But they couldn't do it without the complicity of foolish, ignorant and immoral Britians.
C.R., NYC, USA
TICK-TAC TICK-TAC one step at the time soon will we be there, one legal system for all "Sharia Law"!!
And for all I mean all of Europe!!!
Helena, London, UK/SE
How rediculas it is...I was thinking Us and Europe people are secular...but I was wrong....I both parties want to go for Islamic law..wat is the problem...and it is not for civil court..it range is very limited....
saif Ali khan, Bombay, INDIA
A secular society should have secular justice. This is completely unacceptable - all British citizens and residents or visitors to these shores should be subject to nothing but secular law. Anything else is fundamentally unworkable! Just another nail in the coffin of democracy and multiculturalism.
Chris, Nottingham,
Terrorists use every last twist of British law to stay and suck up benefits ,Yet the very religious want to deny British Muslim women the protection of our law. Labour may get the votes of Muslim men but no one else will ever vote for them again.
Michael, Reading, UK
Those who call this just 'arbitration' forget that these women won't actually have a choice to go with the Sharia or not, they will have to accept. Can you imagine the reaction from the community? To Muslims who support, we will have more respect for you when you speak out against your atrocities.
jelli, Birmingham, uk
From the very beginning of Islam the whole drive behind Muslims and "the message" was and is to convert the world. Just let me know when the first non-Muslim is held accountable to one of these "courts". That is when the other shoe will fall. God save Britannia and all of her culture.
PaulBinSD, San Diego Ca., USA
Alex The religious courts that have existed have only ever ruled on religious matters such as a religious not civil divorce. The Sharia courts are VERY different from existing religious courts.Women are treated less well than under our law.Sharia treats them so all over the world. Its unacceptable
Neil, Glasgow, UK
Adolf Hitler never succeeded in his attempts tosubmit UK to german nazi law . Muslims have managed to do what Hitler failed to obtain : Having a foreign fascist law , sharia , ruling british citizens .
I'm french , so I don't have to tell British citizens what they should do , but ...
docdory, Rouen, France
This is so wrong, if they want sharia law then they should go elsewhere, this is the United Kingdom, we have our own law and do not need any other.
tom, Caernarfon, Wales
Interesting to see when our courts are establish in Muslim countries
Jon, Worcester,
I think we need to be wary of the 'cuckoo' tendencies of Islam. Political correctness seems to assume that its beneficaries are always noble and ideal.
Nick, London, UK
Understand the concept of Arbitration proceedings and their enforceability, and yes parties are free to arbitrate should they wish to.
However, what happens when a Arbitration delivers a judgement that is incompatible with the Law.
Devil, detail and ever thickening wedge.
Willie Mac, Arden, Scotalnd
America is about to elect a gun toting, moose-shooting, self made woman as Vice President.
Bonnie, Erie, U.S.A.
Wow, Bonnie, you almost make me want to hop on the bus to Nuneaton and ask to become a Muslim!
Paul, Coventry,
Booth A lesser inheritance for women is based on a rural system of trying to keep land together. It is unsuitable in the UK. And domestic violence is a criminal matter not a civil one and needs to be.The Beth Din do NOT rule on criminal matters.
Fred, Bradford, UK
These comments have given me a good laugh. I disagree with seperation of Sharia and British law but to suggest that we'll become an Islamic country is utterly ridiculous. Why would the white British majority vote in an Islamic gvt? To vote BNP on this issue would bring in their other vile policies.
Margot, Fife,
As a British citizen I would have appreciated somebody asking me what I though about such a monumental decision like this!
This constant appeasement has to stop, Muslims in Britain are free to practice their believes, which is correct, this has crossed the line. Spineless leadership=Politicians
Scott Trow, Leamington, UK
It is understandable that religious courts are allowed to decide civil matters in the same way as can any other framework of mutually accepted binding arbitration. What I cannot understand is how domestic violence - a clearly criminal affair - can be dealt with by religious courts.
BDL, Beit Shean Valley, Israel
This is no slippery slope, as europe surrenders itself to islam, england is just saying look, you all immigrated here and after thinking real hard, we've decided that assimilation can never work because of our collective brain disease "liberal thought" will not allow for "common sense". islam wins
rick, mesquite, usa
If both parties have to agree to give the court authority then I don't see the problem. It's arbitration. They allow it in other circumstances when parties don't want to go through the normal court proceedings. Not allowing muslims to have the same rights is simply racist and predjudice.
Shellie, Chicago, USA
Rob in Lexington USA, you have just epitomised the arrogant stereotype of what americans look like from the outside world. You all taint islam with the same brush as those fanatics that shout jihad when in actual fact they dont speak for Islam at all just their own political views.
Booth, Bristol, UK
This warrants direct action if ever anything did - a protest to disrupt these things. It is an utter outrage.
In the 1980s, I was active in the Anti-Fascist League. Never before have I even considered giving money to the BNP. Today, my hand hovers over my cheque book.
Nick, Rotherham, UK
This is the slippery slope to anarchy,
Douglas, Greenock,
The majority of comments here are paranoid and ignorant. Parallel religious courts to decide civil and minor criminal matters are not new, as the article points out. The sharia courts are no different to the provisions that have existed for years for Jewish communities, and pose no threat to UK law.
Alex, London, UK
This most obviously is a result of British culture's inability to synthesize with different cultures living within its borders. The class society is outdated and futile. British saxons need to realise they share their island with other people NOT of the same background.
george, Oxford,
Wow - so many Americans telling us Brits we are doomed.
Hmmm, your country is up for sale and the Chinese are buying it!
Odd to think that Lehmans went to Korea with a begging bowl. Which war was it when US invaded Korea - sorry not 'invaded' but protected.
Alex, London,
The UK is in denial about the threat of this cult , the government is insane to allow this and how dare they sanction it. As a woman, and atheist, I totally oppose it. I feel more anger towards the government and institutiions for aiding and abetting this madness, in the name of pc compliance.
vj, london, uk
yet another concession to foreigners in our own country...one law for all was good enough up till now.my father did not fight for this country in ww2 for 6 years only for it to be given away .
mal, london, uk
Stop jumping on the Labour-bashing bandwagon and think for yourself. This was allowed under a law introduced by the Conservatives, so don't use this for your juvenile "Labour suck, let's vote BNP!!!!" rhetoric.
Denise, Houston, TX,
Terrifying. It is to be hoped that women across the land will rebel against this quiet undermining of their rights. Strongly agree with PK, London below: non-religious courts and tribunals alone should have the power to rule on issues that are not religious in the narrow theological sense.
F., Oxford, UK
I wouldn't have wished that to our worst enemy, not even to l'Angleterre!
It's Munich everyday, it's submission to dhimmitude without fighting. "Submission", that's the meaning of Islam.
In the name of Richard the Lion Heart, of Wellington, of Winston Churchill, wake up, you dear old Brits!
Asterix, Toulon, FRANCE
I think it's ridiculous to invoke the Beth Din courts in this article as some sort of precedent. Bet Din courts decide religious issues such as whether something is kosher. As far as I know, they don't rule on issues like domestic violence. So they are not a precedent.
Inna, Sacramento, USA
I would strongly urge all to settle down and watch the DVD-Islam: What The West Needs To Know (58 minutes). Included are scenes from locations in England. It leaves no room for doubt as it relates to Islamic Absolutism.
C.A. Fulghum, Pinehurst, NC, USA
If people choose to live in Britain whether muslim, jewish or whatever, they MUST accept that non-religious courts & tribunals alone will decide the law e.g. for marriage, violence, children etc
The ONLY allowed religious tribunals should be for matters peculiar to religion e.g. prayers, practice.
PK, London,
Go to the Number 10 Downing Street website and sign the 'Stop Sharia Law in Britain' petition.
Do it now.
Or - don't complain!
It may be marital, domestic issues now - and that's bad enough - but it's a slippery slope.
BlairSupporter, London, UK
There goes the country.....
Chad, London,
Time to vote for common sense- vote for the BNP!
Toby, Blackburn, Britain
Sorry Rob from Lexington, USA.
It's here, and it's in Texas of all places. It's been in place for 6 months. Google "sharia courts in Texas".
Jeff, Post Falls, Idaho,
Too bad you Brits gave up your guns. That was your first mistake. If our idiots in Congress or the White House, (whoever they may be after November), should try to implement such a thing here, We The People would rise up, and make the first American Revolution of 1775 look like child's play.
Rob, Lexington, USA
"Show me just what (you know who) brought that was new, (censored), such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -
Manuel II Paleologus
This from a man who delt with Muslims in the 14th century, still rings true today.
PaulBinSD, San Diego Ca., USA
'Have any one of you ever met a radical/extremist muslim? NO! '
Actually I have, friends of mine lived with one who handed out flyers on why the attack on the twin towers was right.
Having said that I never actually had an issue with the guy and he was quite polite (if a little nutty)
Ben, Berdyville,
You're all being naive. The jews have had their own legal system for over 100 years and no one complained. But when the Muslims get their legal system.....................
a, Northamptonshire,
I think this wa thing few of us between talked about sharia law to be adopted so every muslim men and women can get their right as the muslims practice other rituals but this was last we muslim wanted, i think it better if every muslim learn from it and make their home a Sharia home,
Ikram Ullah, Leicester, U.K
Fatima It may not be against the law to advise a women to "stick with her marriage" come what may ,but it is very likely to be bad advice. Abusive men must be charged and put into
perpetrators programs in order to have adequate supervision and to get them to admit THEY have a problem not the vic
Tracy, Basildon, UK
This must be overturned by the Conservitives next year and not allowed to carry on. Its reaching a point where the Queen should use her theoretical powers and dissolve parliment and call an election this unelected Brown Gov't is undemocratic and does not represent the will of the people...
Dean, Southampton, England
Great Britian has fought for freedom of speech and equality. The result of this we have a fair and equal justice system, If you dont want to use this system, alarm bells ring that the result you want is not fair and equal. This is not about religion this is about peoples lives keep them seperate.
Townsend, Manchester , England
Britain has begun to fall to the way of the Muslims. Unbelievable. Very shocking that the British would allow such a thing. More than 40% of children of this generation, in Europe, are Muslim. The Muslim grand plan of taking over Europe is moving right along. Europe is weak and this is proof.
Mike, Los Angeles, USA
I urge everyone to read "While Europe Slept: How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from within".
Erin, Charlotte, US
Jamie USA - "..Peace and Equaity"???
Hold on a minute what country do you know in the free world that is at peace, they're all waging war on other countries! Namely your own and Britain sending in troops. As for equality well check whether men & women get paid the same in free world countries...???
Booth, Bristol, UK
Have any one of you ever met a radical/extremist muslim? NO!
Fatima, Manchester, UK
Fatima, go to Wilmslow Road on Eid and you will meet 10's of Extremists calling for the distruction of Kuffar's and Jews!!!
Ricky, London,
Christianity has the convoluted concept of the redemption of sins through Christ's death. Islam believes three basic things. 1. Allah is the creator 2. he has rules 3. follow them. These rules are sexist, conservative and often reactionary. Their spread to the west is a cancer on our culture.
Kip Hamilton, Williamsburg, USA
To all those supporting this islamic system in the UK, can you show me even a SINGLE muslim country that allows any kind of religious freedom to other religions? In those countries one is expected to respect islam and in other countries you want overbearing rights..darned hypocrisy and arrogance
Meghna, London,
Im muslim and although there are comments on here which show a lack of understanding of the muslim religion and some which I consider to be thinly veiled racism, I do have the following observation to offer: There are several other countries in which sharia is the main form of law why not go there?
ali, london, uk
People really need read up on Islamic Law and Islam before they start passing judgemental and prejudicial comments. The Sharia court does not go against UK Law, it is an option for those that wish to use it; merely an OPTION of how one CHOOSES to deal with their PRIVATE affairs, NOT public policy!!
Muslimah, Surrey, UK
WHat is really sad is that most comments on here are driven from what the media says and shows. Have any one of you ever looked up sharia law? Have any one of you ever met a radical/extremist muslim? NO!
Are you all just puppets following George Bush and Brown? Yes I think you are!
Fatima, Manchester, UK
I have no problem with Muslims and am all for a multi-cultural society. However, this has disaster written all over it. People living in the UK should follow UK law. We should not adapt that law to fit them in. This will only further incense the Xenophobes and Racists of Britain.
Max, Truro, UK
You voted then in, now vote them out and change the laws, it is that simple, force a general election.
nick P, Camberley , UK
After putting America Alone which is a book I never heard of into google search the results I got back did not make living in Europe a good option .I know a lot jewish people most are not religious and the integrate and are a small percent of the population can't same for the islamic community here
Andrew Clarke, London, UK
Mashallah, God be praised, once Rome was pagan, then Christian, it's good to see the God is alive and well and bringing His will to force, despite all my fellow Anglo-Saxons fearing the future, I mean a thousand years ago they gave up paganism for monotheism, may Abraham be happy with this.
Lee, Tucson, USA
Gary, Drummonds, USA Churchill - The River War
"The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men."
Russ, Reading, UK
Mark Steyn, author of "America Alone", was right: the transformation of secular Europe into a Muslim Eurabia is underway, nibbles at a time. Sarkozy and a precious few others there understand the challenge and are pushing back, but it may already be too late. So sad.
Jim Delaney, Rochester, NY, USA
Fist of all the article did say that "Domestic Violence" was a civil court judicial, if I remember correctly it is in fact a "Criminal Complaint". Wake up people it is an invasion. How many religions can hand out death sentences IN TODAYS SOCIETIES?!Now they want to kill Mickey Mouse of all things!
PaulBinSD, San Diego Ca., USA
The rules should be the same for everyone and these courts should not exist. I have nothing against muslims, but when i last checked Britain is a Christian Country. Therefore, i even as a non religious person i cannot understand why foreign religious courts being allowed in my country
James Morley, Leicester, UK
Ok, Booth. We're all so ignorant and you're so enlightened. Why don't you fill us in then and tell us what exactly about Sharia law is so good for women, so good for Britain, and so good for any country in the free world that would like to enjoy some semblance of peace and equality? Wake up!
Jamie, Salt Lake City, USA
Now I understand why my ancestors left England and Ireland. Do not expect my sons or grandsons to come and save you from yourselves when you are overrun. Did you ever notice that nobody is immigrating to a Muslim nation? You are being assimilated. Good luck with that.
Jacobs, Spokane, USA
" If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish". Please explain, what Jewish courts? Do they have final say over national law?
monarch (yes, it's my real name), Greenwood, SC, USA
"When in Rome do as the Romans"!
I think history is repeating itself. England is again stirring trouble. With do respect to Muslim rule of law or English rule of law, what the west allows residents from other countries, these other countries ought to allow the residents of the west anywhere else.
George, El Paso, Texas, USA
This is a clear beginning of the proverbial camel and the tent story. The Mulsims have gotten their nose in the tent and will continue until their whole body is in. Many will diasgree but mark my words. In 10 years lets see what this has wrought for the British.
dana, Port Lions, USA
Farewell, sister nation. We loved you well, but you have left the faith, you have deserted the cause and you have succumbed to a system that will ultimately conquer you. God help you.
Mrs. Ricketson
U.S.A.
Ms. Ricketson, USA, USA
Its time to have them out.....sharia law I ask you........but I do agree that theft like my phone calls for amputation of an arm.
I wish we had someone like Cromwell working for us english folk.
Michael Firth, Leeds,
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
Sir Winston Churchill
I wonder what Sir Winston would say about all of this sharia rubbish?
Gary, Drummonds, USA
I'm less concerned about Muslims being able to settle civil disputes in a more friendly-to-their-beliefs way (it's not as if it's making them above the country's law after all), and more concerned about how much more anti-Muslim feeling this is going to stir up in the public.
Paul, Durham, UK
Dear Cousins across the pond, perhaps you note few Englishmen comment openly, for it is against the new (Labour's) laws.The Christian fundamentalists will prosper by this news - and is that a bad thing? Plus, former Archbishop of Canterbury Carey is correct in his recent (related?) assessment.
steveh, Halesworth, Suffolk, England
Is Great Britain going nuts? What happened to British Law. When someone immigrates to a country, they ought not have their own separate Laws. To do otherwise will destroy Great Britain. Why happened to the British stiff upper lip? What happened to the British who stood up to Hitler's thugs?
Drew, York, USA
This is a sad day for England. It has past the event horizon, and will soon be in bondage.
The liberals have pushed tolerance to the extreme by allowing this to happen.
Barry, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
Your leaders have lost their minds. Sharia courts will oppress the very people you are trying to be "sensitive" to. The religious extremists will use the courts to keep people under their thumbs and deny immigrants the chance to freely assimilate into society.
Gene, Shreveport, LA, USA
As far as I am concerned England is now part of the Muslim world. It is no longer the 'West'. It is ironic that the country that stood alone against Hitler is now the first western democracy to fall to islamic law. The English get what they deserve. They have long given shelter to terrorists.
Seth, Bangor, USA
Great Britain is no longer great. It has been lost to the looney left. The people no longer have a say. If the majority do not want to be part of the EU then why are the politicians forcing on us? Corruption and greed. It is time to revolt and take back England. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!
Yvette, London, England
The cultural difference between Muslim nations and Western nations is cultural. When culture deliberately suppresses half of their population, they do not have half of the work force to help their economies. This is above and beyond the subjugation of women. Muslim women can't escape persecution.
Joseph, Costa Mesa, U.S.A.
Now Britain has a state within a state. One set of laws for one ethnic group and one set for another. There will not be equality between the two. There will not be justice for the women in the Sharia courts. Britain has abandoned them.
Eleni, Bedford,
I have never thought of voting BNP before
But this has swayed me -
billy, Cardiff, Wales
Time to leave the country......
Chris, London,
gobsmacked. what happens when it contravenes the criminal law? men being told to attend anger management classes for physical assault on their wives? does this mean we are going to allow catholics to criminally prosecute for abortion? the govt is making a mockery of our justice system.
Carla, Glasgow,
So much overreaction! I don't support Sharia law, but this is only a form of arbitration. Any decisions cannot contravene British Law, and they are only binding on those who voluntarily agree to take part. in this process. Our legal system and our way of life are not under threat from this.
Phil, London, UK
So our government is giving muslims more power to impose their backward laws here, and also in the news today; refusing the right for Gurkhas who fought for this country to settle here. What is going on?! I hope Mr Cameron can start getting us back on track next year because this is mad!
Sam, Kent, United Kingdom
The Mother of Parliments, Cromwell, Emily Pankhurst, 2 World Wars. Our democartic rights were hard won. Now they are squandered by cowardly stealth by a cowardly politically correct government and a PM we didnt vote for. Tragic.
Lucas Tatek, Herts., uk
I call upon David Cameron, when he and the Conservative Party is elected, to make it his first act as Prime Minister, to rescind this decision. The allowing of Sharia law in Britain is disgraceful and to the traitorous.
Brown and his shambolic government should be ashamed of themselves.
David Michael, Antalya, Turkey
I doubt alot of muslim women will have much choice as to whether they "choose" this type of law, esp considering male dominance in much of muslim socitey and family life. I dont think we should be promoting legal systems which devalue people based on thier gender.
R, London, UK
I hope this doesn't turn into a parallel legal system. I actually didn't expect this in the UK, which shares its legal tradition with the US. I was expecting this to come from the Continent. They are tribunals and not courts though, and that provides some hope of this not being as bad as it seems.
Francis Ambrogio, Greenwich, CT, USA
Choice? You mean coerced from birth to agree? Now the system is officially protected and endorsed by British law? That should help women challenge any unfair rulings! Let's officially undermine the basic principles of equality and justice to accommodate foreign religions while we're at it?! Insane!
K. Thomas, Luoding, China
Thanks Susan in Chicago for an intelligent and relevant comment and criticism.
But then you probably weren't directed to this article by the black ops department of a loopy christian fundamentalist cult as most of the other posters from the US appear to have been.
Esther, London,
This is very troubling news indeed. It's a perversion of the Arbitration Act, of British Law and of common sense.
Kamal Aggarwall, London,
A quiet attack on the consititution of the UK. If war had been openly declared then this would be front page news, but it is going to be a silent war, disguised by liberals, until it is too late. Any room in America for a true Brit?
Barry T, West Yorkshire, England
Ok, So what are the Muslim states going to in return? Am I going to be able to wear my bikini on a public beach in Saudi Arabia without risking 500 lashes? I doubt it.
Katherine, Rugby, UK
This is utterly insane. Religious "courts" of any persuasion have no place above British law. It should be the same & equal for everybody! How can you tell if, say, a woman living with a violent man, has willingly relinquished her rights to a fair trial under our legal system, rather than Sharia?
Margaret, Cambridge, England
As a british born muslim professional seeking an islamic divorce I find these narrow minded comments deeply upsetting.
Khan, High Wycombe, UK
In your quest for multiculturalism and in some part related to colonial guilt, you Brits have been took advantage of. Giving the store away won't change the past, my friends.
I lived in Britain and I loved it. I hope this great country who birthed mine will wake up. Please.
Laura, Washington State, US
I'm still unsure about this, and I sincerely hope that Britain retains its traditional identity. Britain's identity is a robust and glorious one based on the rule of law and on the individual and his rights. It's in many ways very similar to America's. May Britain and America remain so.
Francis Ambrogio, Greenwich, CT, USA
What happened to Equlaity & Diversity?
S, London,
Haters can hate but this is true liberty and freedom of religion. If people want to follow certain rules that dont come in the way of the law of the land, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
A Hoda, L.A, USA
So Anis, why do you think they left these "Bastions of Freedom they came from?"
Susan, Chicago, USA
I am appalled by this, and so very fed up of people who keep on saying 'there is nothing to worry about'. There is something to worry about - we are losing OUR country to people who have no respect for us.
I have always voted Labour but NEVER again. Its time this madness stopped.
Darren, Middlesbrough, UK
Superstition is no basis for any legal or accounting system.
Zahir, Kingston,
All the US posters - when criticising encroaching Islam, remember your country is one of the few who think Creationism should be thought of as a Science - laughable if it wasn't so deludedly scary.
All countries have problems accommodating illogical religious beliefs into a tolerant framework.
Dan, Dublin,
The jewish community have civil courts set up for many years. Most people commenting here overlook this fact. Any excuse to rant at muslims! You people need to go and meet muslims. However the professionalism of these courts must be ensured. Since when did domestic violence became a civil matter?
Susan, Chicago, USA
As a female British Muslim, I was born here, I have worked hard all my life, climbed up the career ladder, pay my taxes. I've been struggling to get an islamic divorce and some of these comments are so upsetting.
Anyone making ignorant comments should first educate themselves on the subject.
SK, Slough, UK
To Georg from Germany - What on earth are you on about??! No-one is doing anything forcefully, its a private civil matter between two parties. Nothing more. Get a clue - same for the rest of you. Better still why dont you all go and shave your heads and join the BNP, a Britain without culture.
Booth, Bristol, UK
This spells the beginning of the end of representative democratic government in Great Beritain, and the eventual overthrow of Great Britain into an Islamic dictatorship. God help the Western democracies. Islamic governments don't free speech or religion, and treat woman as slaves. You want this?
Hugh Blanchard, Yorktown VA, USA
Muslim law,education, culture and religion is allowed a far greater stronghold and voice here than any other non-muslim country in the world. We're scared to be labelled with the racist tag when in fact most of us despair at the erosion of our national identity, pride and basic British institutions.
Caroline, cheltenham, uk
I feel utterly appaulled and embarrassed. Not by the issue of sharia law but by the ignorance, extreme attitudes and neo-conservatism of most of the comments made. You all mostly show such hate and ignorance of something u know little about and digest what the media CHOOSE to tell you. Get a grip.
Booth, London, UK
How can a nation possibly stand with the legal system composed of several different legal system based on religion? Britian fell without firing one shot. It is for this reason we have a seperation of church and state. Read our Constitution and Bill of Rights, those ideas came from you.
Tom Cannon, Marion, USA
Sounds like a sensible idea, very progressive.
Mark, Woking, UK
@ Lauren: I think you should write very angry letters to your delegate, tell them you couldn't take them seriously any more, if they didn't go against that. Tell them you won't vote for them any more. Go to every demonstration, collect signatures, go to those courts & scream - or move to australia..
Georg M. Hennis, Erfurt, Germany
Why "a shame"? Those who are choosing to be arbitrated by these tribunals know their religion very well and that is their choice.
Where is the "madness" in allowing people of each different religion the right to be ruled by the laws of their religion? This is civilization.
Jessica, Alexandria, Egypt
Have we gone mad!! What's next? The return of the "Inquisition" .
John, Devon,
I am shocked by two things:
1The amount of outright racism by so many people.
2The authority people will speak with on a subject which they clearly know nothing about. These are not 'courts', they are tribunals, which require the consent of both parties.No one is subject (theoretically) unwillingly
amanda, Zagreb, Croatia
Lauren, London, UK, wrote: So what should we do? Seriously. What should we do?
Eventually the number of Muslims in the UK will be large enough for them to form a majority in parliament. The only answer is separation from Islam and Muslims - self-defence allows any and all prescriptions.
DaveP, Beverley, UK
For those of you who keep pointing out that both parties must AGREE to it - how many Muslim women are free to make important choices without pressure from family? Do you really think most Muslim women have free choice in this?
And, domestic violence is considered a civil matter? Stupid.
Rob, Selma, United States
See what the Liberals have brought you. Allah help the US if we go Liberal with Obama Al-Islam.
Ed, Atlanta, US
Please note- mainly US, this was intoduced 'quietly' by our government and not endorsed by the British people.
I am furious at our spineless pandering government, I will never vote Labour again.
This is only the first of their (muslems) demands that will only lead to greater division.
Rob
R Brown, rugby,
Good bye Britain. You were the beacon for civilization for a long time. Now your own government has turned you over to Muslim fanatics who will destroy everything you hold dear. Your nation heroically stood alone against Nazi Germany but now surrenders to a tyranny no different or perhaps worse.
Milton Finley, Grand Cane , USA
Stand up and fight for your country.....PLEASE!
Eddie , Costa Mesa, USA
I'm going to move to Australia which more resembles Britain than Britain does (apart from the weather) or to the US. Neither country would even contemplate this madness. Either that or i'll stay and vote BNP.
Rob, Londonistan, UK
What a true shame, A once great nation that brought forth culture to depressed places in the world , is now on the verge of dying of cultural suicide. Very pathetic, Very Sad.
Eric Cosgrove, Miami, USA
Wait a minute, on the one hand you all things munslim or islamic, but on the other you want all the Oil & Natural Gas in the Middle East, is it fair for other religions to have there laws but not Islam, we're not all the same you know, if that was the case are all non-muslims racist, I think not
Bilal , Manchester ,
I think Ronnie that the issue is the perceived intent. The Jewish population here is small, and in the 100 yrs that the Jewish courts have been operating there has been no take over bid. On the other hand - many Muslims here, and quite a few fanatical, British-hating ones - give them an inch.....
Gemm, Burton-on-Trent,
it doesn't matter whether both parties go to such a court voluntarily or not. whoever says that shariah courts provide more freedom, certanly have no idea how "ummah" works. it is a totalitarian state within itself, everyone is watching everyone. that poor woman had no choice! this makes me sick!
kuzenka, Edinburgh, UK
Sorry chaps, but espically lassies. Lassies must remain 5 complete paces behind the man and don't let the children run assunder or you will be whipped/lashed 39 times first offense, there better not be a second!! Sure am glad we have the 2nd admendent here in the colonies.
Robert, Charlotte, USA
I dont hear anyone kicking up a fuss about the jewish tribunal court system in the UK? or didnt you know we hear in the UK have one.....
Muz, manchester, UK
So what should we do? Seriously. What should we do?
Lauren, London, UK
The jewish community have civil courts set up for many years. Most people commenting here overlook this fact. Any excuse to rant at muslims! You people need to go and meet muslims. However the professionalism of these courts must be ensured. Since when did domestic violence became a civil matter?
Theo, London, UK
Interesting that so many people are criticizing Sharia, but saying nothing about the equally mysoginist Beth Din - neither should be permitted in any form.
P.Humphrey, Athens, Greece
When will you elect politicians with some guts? It may be time for a new political party.
Richard, Fayetteville, North Carolina, USA
This is just sick. I just cant figure what's the real reason behind this. Maybe escalating making islam in to 21st century jews.
ebe, kemi, finland
Stop letting immigrants into the country!!!! Encourage current bristish people to breed to replace shortages and build this country up properly. Most of them cause havoc with no regard for our law (as above) and actually dispise us (all of us non muslims.)
Grant, London,
What is wrong with you people? Vote BNP? What have us blacks done to make you want to vote BNP? Or did you all forget that the BNP wants all of us out? I'm appalled by this ridiculous decision but there must be a better way than voting for racism and intollerance on the other end of the spectrum
Carl, aylesbury, U.K.
This is terrible news Religon and state must remain separate. If people do not like living under British law then they should move to somewhere with the laws they want to live by. Labour must be stopped!
Andrew, Britan and US enemies? What are you on about???
Dean, Southampton, England
Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.
did everyone miss this bit?
Muz, manchester, UK
why should religon effect law, laws should be set independent of religous influence of any kind
dave, london, england
Well Susan, this is the first I have heard of it- I don't remember being allowed a say or a vote.
It is a shame not because these courts wont eork, but because whole sections of our society are opting out of British society but still receiving the benefits of living here, it is sad really.
catherine, London, UK
Absolutely rediculous, what next, stoning unfaithful women? Thank God I left 15 years ago.
John, Brno, Czech Rep
I can't say that I'm pleased to hear that religious courts can substitute lay courts but once the same privilege has been granted to the Jewish community why all this fuss about granting Muslims the same right?
Ronnie, Munich, Germany
Well... actually.. Britain and the US are enemies.
If you vote BNP in response to this, you're an idiot.
This is a disgusting thing to witness though. Religion and state should be kept SEPERATE! That's one thing the US constitution has right.
Andrew, London, UK
This is just so stupid. Why can't they just go to a muslim country without trying to make europe muslim?
The arbitration law is for non-criminal cases. How come they can use it to solve criminal cases?
Sen, Bergen, Norway
Some number of your American cousins have invited you Brits to come over to the USA to escape the capitulation of your laws to the Muslims you have allowed to overrun your country. I do not. I say, stay and FIGHT for your country and your laws! Make them better! Don't cave-in to this madness!
Jerry, Austin , Texas
I have read two articles this morning that have both made my blood boil, this and one about a college in Scarborough that has banned Christmas and Easter from its callendar.
I am not racially or religously bias but I am (still just about) very proud of being British, shame our government isn't.
Steve, Walton, U.K.
Seems like the beginning of Balkanization. Why would a nation change its ideals to accomodate less successful and outdated approaches to governance? This doesn't seem like multiculturalism, liberalism just adulteration of good sense. Beheadings, oppression, violence, taliban governance, really?
dev, washington, usa
As it says, this only holds for civil law and the same goes for Jewish law as far as I can tell. This will only hold if all parties agree to go to it for resolution -that is where difficulties could arise . I am okay with that, so long as criminal law remains free from it.
John, Knutsford, Uk
Good law or arbitration should help raise those less powerful to a position to fight injustice, not further institutionalise their position of relative powerlessness.
If we have created a way for those less powerful to be further coerced to accept inequality, then we have failed in our duty to them
Andy, South Normanton, England
Shame. Shame. Shame.
Nancy Wood, London,
My brother just moved to New Zealand. I might just follow him.
This makes me sick to my stomach
Mike, St. Albans, England
I am an American Citizen living in the UK. Unlike most of my ignorant compatriots I have nothing against Islam, which has been made out to be something to be feared and evil by the current administration! Christianity also has its weird sects! Not all Islam is Jihadist. Little knowledge is dangerous
Jimmy C, Letchworth, UK
This is very sad news indeed.. I cannot even imagine that the majority of your citizens support this decision. For those of you who don't and even those who think they do, from many of us in the USA our thoughts are with you. This truely brings tears to my eyes.
Susan St. John, Chicago, Illinoi, United States of America
I don't think it happened overnight. The culture lost its backbone methodically by caving into liberalism, which thinks multiculturalism is noble. Unless the US wakes up, they will go in the way of Europe and be no more. Voting Obama is the path to more liberalism.
Zhaoyang, Charleston, USA
I was in Sudan when sharia law was introduced. It is an appalling form of religious domination and subbjugation, practiced in the name of superistitious baloney! How a nation with a great legal tradition could succumb to this religious blackmail is mind-boggling. Osama wants a new caliphateUK!
Lewis Walter, Detroit, MI, USA
The is truely the beginning of the end.....
Kevin, Salisbury, UK
AWESOME! Haters can hate but this is true liberty and freedome of religion. If people want to follow certain rules that dont come in the way of the law of the land, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Anis Hoda, Los Angeles, USA
Disgusting.
Religion, and especially Islam, is a plague on this planet.
Jim, Newport Beach, California, USA
This is crazy. I'm glad I'm in Hong Kong. No such rubbish here.
David, Hong Kong,
In Turkey where the big majority is Muslims there is no such thing as Sheria,only the country's law(Even if some parts might need improvements).
And Europe does not want Turkey in EU!!Strange, strange..
Moshe Haviv, Tel Aviv, ISRAEL
What a disgrace, sharia courts! I am furious about this, the hypocracy of it, show me a western style court in Pakistan or Saudi!
joseph, jesmond,
I hope Americans are going to pay attention this November! It's time to stop this New World Order.
Diane Atkins Liberty, NY, USA
Diane Atkins, Liberty, USA
Someone has asked why so many comments from Americans. We are cousins and allies. The U.S. has always come to the aid of our sister nation because we have shared the same values and roots. Evidently, the commentator just doesn't get it. I am still in shock!
Linda Grubb, Martinsburg, WV, USA
You canot have a state within a state, FACT.
robert wilkinson, Brighton, uk
Steve, Ohio.
Thanks for the invitation to the USA. If I was in a position to accept I most certainly would. Unfortunately I'm stuck in this country that used to be England.
I walked through my local town centre today, and all the schoolkids were of foreign origin. Not some, or even most. ALL!
colin, london, englanistan
Like Bilal from London, I think it's strange how much the Americans are getting involved in these debates, and I also find it interesting that they are all suddenly experts on Islam when everyone knows most Americans couldn't find Canada on the map.
What do you know about what islam teaches?
Ed (expat Brit), Melbourne, Australia
As a UK ex-pat., this is indeed sad news. Often, I have thought about going back, but now I wonder would I be returning to the good old England I grew up or an islamic state? To Faruukh from Woking..have you gone to Saudi Arabia where all must follow the Islamic w?
monica, Leicester,
Yeah, Lanier from Atlanta, your place should have never accommodated immigrants. Right from the beginning. Then you wouldn't complain about immigration at all. Nor you would exist.
As a christian, I don't mind any alternative legal system that might ease the workload of the traditional judiciary.
Andras, Southampton,
This "some are more equal than others" talk is a load of rubbish! Can't you people read? The article states that the courts are defined as arbitration tribunals that only have power if both parties agree to give it the power - so don't agree to that unless you want to be bound by its rulings! Duh...
Ed, Melbourne, Australia
It's too late, Eurabia is almost here. Ironic, the British are so busy trying to figure out if homosexuality should be church condoned that they have lost sight of the fact that they are slowly being conquered by the most intolerant people on the face of the earth. What would there forbearers say!?!
Andy, Sandy, USA
How sad. Christians need to pray for Britain. This is just the first step.
Gus, Lexington, USA
Good Bye Old Friend... You were once a Proud Great Nation that gave so much to the world (English Common Law comes to mind). Thank you. So long, and farewell. All hope is lost for you now. Enjoy your Ramadaan...
jscales, boston, ma, U.S. of A
All I can think of is the "World Turned Up side down" I love the Britain and her people (my family is of British ancestry) but this is truly mad. This is exactly what the radical muslim / terrorists want. they will eventually take over Britain and the western world if this doesn't stop.
Rob, Acworth, Georgia, USA
The rule of British law should be absolute within the U.K.. If Muslims wish to fall under Sharia vs British law, have them leave and become citizens of a fundamentalist country where Sharia is accepted as the norm. Britain should never give up it's legal system to foreign influence.
James Main, Cabot, USA
Londonistan.
Chris, Los Angeles, USA
Wake up world!!! Can't you see that Islam is trying to take over the world? This so called "peaceful" religion won't be so "peaceful" once it takes over your any government and forces you to become Muslim. Wake up stupid Europeans. Muslims, If you want Sharia law, go back to your muslim country.
mark, Phoenix, USA
America is about to elect a gun toting, moose-shooting, self made woman as Vice President.
The UK is about to kneel and bow their heads to their muslim masters.
I'm so glad I'm here. I'm so glad my daughter is here, too.
Bonnie, Erie, U.S.A.
You Brits have lost your minds. We're having "honor" killings here in the States. That too is Sharia Law.
bill, Dallas, Tx, USA
Maybe just shorten your country's name to The Kingdom vs. The United Kingdom.
Jason, North Coventry, USA
My God you Brits have opened up a HUGE can of worms.
My prayers are with you and hope that you overturn this most horrible of decisions
Steve, Schenectady, New York, USA
Seperate 'arbitration' for the victims of assault? '...who agree to it? Incredible! But many will, sadly - coerced by force or by group pressure. How long til they no longer have to 'agree'? How long til others are bound to this rule? How many other 'issues' will eventually fall to these courts?
Kathleen, Wichita,KS, USA
The British Government has a dilemma.
If Jews have this privilege, so should the Muslims. The question remains, keeping in mind that Sharia law is not the fairest system in the world, if the British Courts do not agree with the Sharia Courts decision, what then? The Act must change.
Bill, Ottawa, Canada
Steve, Ohio
I'm British but have lived in the States for two years. Apart from Americans being VERY misunderstood things like this make me glad I'm over here.
I would thank you for your invitation and shake your hand if we ever met.
eddie, Davis,CA, USA
Sadly, Mark Steyn was right when he maintained in his "America Alone" that Europe, aka Eurabia, is likely a lost cause. Accommodation is leading to Muslim dominance. Looks like we can count the years before the fine cathedrals in Eurablia become mosques. Securalist, weak-kneed Europeans deserve it.
jim delaney, rochester, USA
I am speechless... Have our British cousins lost their ever-loving minds?!? We have all slipped too far down the slippery slope to accomodate immigrants, but this will prove to be a point of no return for the UK. My suggestion- come quickly- buy our cheap real estate and move to the US!
Lanier, Atlanta, USA
How can a modern, democratic state founded on the ideals of classical liberalism possibly continue to exist with such a Medieval, theocratic court system existing within itself?
Sharia is a poison pill for any enlightened state to swallow and this is a horrible mistake for the British.
Dave Bills, Dallas, Texas, USA
If these muslims are so contemptuous of western culture, then why move to a western country other than to undermine it. what right does an immigrant community have to demand a seperate court system. At this rate, by the time Prince William comes to the throne, you'll be crowning him sultan.
Dan, Omaha, USA
Why are so many of those leaving comments from America? Strange.
Bilal Anwar, London, UK
How sad, they just keep chipping away at the once great English Empire. You have lost yourselves in political correctness, and it will be the end of you, because , they will not stop until they have achieved they're goal. Perhaps without a shot being fired. Wake up Brits.
JOHn, st. louis, mo/usa
Thank God I'm an American. You Brits are crazy if you allow this to stand!
Susie, Ohio, USA
I, too had to read this twice. Do you have any idea what you are giving away? This is a religion that really has no tolerance of others, how long til another inch is given, and then another until you live under sharia law yourselves? Unfortunately we'er headed the same direction, I'm afraid.
Kelly, Billings, USA
Tis a sad day here in Her Majestys land. We must rise up as citizens of the crown and unite against this challenge to our way of life and national identity! Countrymen, have we learned nothing from the Moorish infestation of Spain? Do we not see the Islamic invasion of Europe and riots in Paris?
Westmoreland, South Hampton, UK
I may appear as devils advocate, but the article did say BOTH parties had to agree to even go to the court and abide by the mediation by an impartial judge. This takes a load of the Queens court by having trivial civil "lawsuits", if I may, plus the parties cannot scream 'foul' afterward.
Brian Rook, Miami, FL, US
Religion has no place in any society. It belongs in the home & nowhere else. Keep your beliefs in your house & obey the law of the land when you go out. The British men would never allow this law to pass if men were treated like dogs in this religion. Women have much to fear in these lands.
C, NY, USA
What happened to ENGLISH COMMON LAW? Have you changed to MUSLIM COMMON LAW? This is most disturbing.
I am appalled. Henry ll is turning over! Thank goodness we have a separation of church and state in the USA.....this means that no ecclesiastical court will ever overrule the Constitution.
Anne Sirman, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
I'm a Brit living in the USA, thank goodness! I am totally disgusted by what is happening to my home country. I'm an East End girl and that is no longer the same. Change can be good, but not when your own country is being taken over by them. Too bad England is going to pot. Total idiots
V, Howell, USA
Islamic Law is a step back 2,000 years with regards to human rights. Being an American looking at this is almost unfathomable. I highly doubt this is actually true.
Chris, Claremont, USA
Anyone want to place bets on how long it will be until a non muslim is forced to abide by the decsions of one of these courts?
Karl, Sioux Falls, SD, USA
If Usama Obama is elected we will be next. Go McCain
Biff, Colorado Springs, USA
According to the article, Sharia law would apply only if all parties to a dispute agree to use Sharia law instead of UK law. However, how can one know if all parties truly agree, or if they feel coerced? At a minimum, it might be best to allow all decisions from Sharia law to be appealed to UK law.
Gregg P. Frasco, Taylorsville, USA
Wake up all those scaremongers , sharia law was implemented and accepted here since the 1980s. so its just a waste of time to believe that Big Brother Nations like UK would change to be a soft brother nation, this is a typical tactic to say that UK is (tolerant) with small t nation.
Lobsh, London, UK
this is crazy.the terrorists won,t win with Bombs.they will win with the help of the Labour party and other assorted lefties.
Ian, Boca Raton, florida
This is some of the most troubling news I have heard in some time. I fear for the people of England. I hope the citizens quickly realize that they are losing control of their country. Best of luck, but I fear it may be too late for you.
Steve, Ohio, USA
This is beginning of a "state within the state" in the UK, if this is allowed to continue. England must stand up for its own beliefs and philosophies which underpin its longstanding legal system. Those who would emigrate much be willing to accept those traditions if they choose to live there.
Peter, Houston, USA
WOW!! This is just incredible! This shall truly cause a double standard society!
TJ, Sacramento, USA
May God remove your blindness, for now you know not what you are in for. And may God wake up America, for we are not far behind you.
Richard Graves, Florida, USA
Britain,
Have you forgotten who you are as a nation?
Rebecca Mueller, North Wilkesboro, USA
Those of you who are appalled by this, you are welcome in the United States of America. Our shores are open to you. We could use some more freedom loving people. Come on over.
Steve, Ohio, USA
Wow!... talk about a huge step backwards. Something to the magnitude of a 1,000 year setback. So England doesn't support equal treatment under the law?... or do they plan on allowing Sharia Law to dominate all of England? This spreads much further and expect a mass exodus from the UK.
DWalla, Utah, USA
So, if two muslims have a dispute, why don't they bring the dispute to their clergy? Why should the courts be compelled to resolve a dispute using "foreign" principles/laws? What's next: Two satanists have a dispute, so the British courts/arbitrators must apply satanism? Crazy.
John, Camden, NJ, USA
Whatever happened to separation of church and state? Britian must have something to that effect...and more importantly, where does this end? Are we just going to install a judge's bench in every religious facility in the UK?
Max Andrews, Northport, AL, USA
For those that think that this is voluntary, ARE YOU CRAZY?
Why would any woman agree to Sharia Law that is biased towards the man's favor? These women are threatened into it.
The real question is when will we see people stoned in the town square?
Believe me, it's coming!
Barry, Morganville, USA
SCOTS RUN! Now is the time to declare independence. Rebuild Hadrian's wall to keep the insanity from slithering north.
Rod, San Diego, US
Many comments about the narrow end of the wedge. Indeed this is the wedge well past that point. If a 1996 ruling was used to implement this then who knows how far things have already gone? I would assume there are clerics patrolling as a Sharia police force. Good luck GB, doom is at your doorstep.
alan, New Orleans, USA
I had to reread this twice, and I still can't believe it. We were taught in school that the Church no longer held all the power in the UK. I guess the textbooks didn't mention which "Church" they were referring to.
Jennifer, America, USA
How sad. . .there is no equal justice for women or non-Muslins under Sharia law, either in the civil or criminal matters. The Brits need to sunset this Arbitration Law of 1996 and have only one court system and one set of laws for all of its citizens.
Best of luck with this one!
Alice Darr, Clarkston, GA, USA
This is a total disgrace, before you know it, we'll be extraditing people to face the death penalty in a Muslim country.
Stuart hill, Preston, United Kingdom
This is the Dangers of Multi-Culturalisms. The ones that they don't tell you about.
Sean Searl, Addison TX, United States
I have to go along with other writers who are lamenting the demise of the British Justice system and observing that no British Courts will be established in Saudi Arabia. My concern is also what is happening in the USA - will we be writing obituaries for the US Justice system in a few years?
Christina, St. Louis, USA
Islamists are taking over Europe without firing a shot ... the UK has capitulated to a culture that has no tolerance for others yet demands 100% accommodation ... I guess the folks in Europe haven't read Mark Steyn's book America Alone ... if they had maybe they wouldn't be so quick to please.
Patrick, New Jersey , USA
This is just a disgrace. There should not be different laws for different people within the country. Saying that Jews are already allowed this doesn't help. Neither Jews nor Muslims should be allowed to have their own laws. This is just another way radically conservative groups control women.
Kristena, Dallas, TX, USA
The sun finally sets on the British flag.
Bobby Beecher, Oak Park, GA, USA
Britain has given up already, sign of the end of this once great country. Give that religion an inch, and it will try to take a mile. That religion and it's followers only want one thing, to convert everyone on earth whether it be by the sword or not. A once great people, soon to be dhimmis.
Jeff Davis, Omaha, USA
I can only echo the dismay expressed herein. Britain, oh mighty Britain, the sun set on your empire long ago, but only recently has the sun set on your culture. You arms long beat in plowshares; tell me then, who will you plow for?
Nathaniel Greenspan, Greenfield, Massachusetts, USA
The goal of Islam is to encompass the world, touch every human and convert- or kill them. This is the beginning of the end for western civilization. Goodbye UK, you will be missed. Soon enough Islam will be your religion and your government.
Robert, VA, USA
The end is near
joe, philadelphia, usa
We are now truly alone in the world.
Anthony, Jackson, MS, USA
How do you assure that an Islamic court, which by its nature disfavors females, has not either coerced its followers into giving away their rights as British citizens, or, had said females forced into choosing Sharia Law by close male relatives from fear of retribution?
Jon Aronson, Nellysford, Virginia, USA
Arthur Neville Chamberlain, does this name ring a bell? Please tell me the British have not forgotten so quickly? I hope that our politicians do not come to the rescue of Europe again! Europeans have such a negative view of us and only call when in need. This is self inflicted!
Jim, Atlanta, USA
I would question the notion that participation in this "legal system" [sic] is voluntary within a community which is so insular. Does anyone believe that the women in the domestic violence cases submitted to Islamic law voluntarily? Wake up, Britain!
Andrew, Aberdeen, MD, USA
RIP: The Former United Kingdom
I will tell my children stories of a land formerly known as Great Britain. They'll hear of a queen, a great navy, an empire upon which the sun never set, and people who gave up not only their empire but their freedom. What a sad day for the UK.
A. Lendel, America Town, USA
For those who believe it is only domestic and financial issues, how many of you believe the women in the domestic violence cases freely and willingly chose to have their cases decided by sharia law instead of in the British Justice system?
Thomas, Austin, TX, USA
Goodbye fair England. We knew thee well.
Jim, Phoenix, AZ, USA
I can not believe that our English cousins would ever tolerate or condone the usurpation of British Common Law by rule of this tortured religious catechism. If this is in fact true then we are witness to the begining of the downfall of Western Civilization. Mark Steyn is right Europe is doomed.
David Adante, Massillon, USA
Wake up America and make sure the kind of change you want for our Nation! You need to forget about the Bridge to Nowhere..... You might be following the Bridge of No Return!
Susan , Paducah,KY, USA
Because of your country adoption of sharia law, you have sealed your nations fate. You nation as you know it will never been the same.
Mark Wolff , Charlotte, NC , USA
How sad for England. Not only has it lost its identity, but it's taken the first step towards its' own downfall. The British have such a wonderful and rich history. But if they allow Sharia law, it will only be a matter of time before Britain becomes just another Islamic nation.
Theresa, Tennessee, USA
A very, very sad day for England.
Wake up people!
Mike, Highland Village, USA
I don't believe this. Sharia courts in Great Britain?? This is really insane, and if the British goverment believe the islamist are going to settle with that, then the Labour politicans are truly naive.
Jens, Copenhagen , Denmark
Goodbye Brittania! You gave up your weapons, now you will give up your rule. You are the first nation in the civilized world to be overrun by Islamist. May God have mercy on you all. Heads will roll, literally, on the former Brittish Island.
R. William Pratt, Malta, USA
Dear England,
I've always loved your land, I've always loved your history. I studied your writers at university; I studied your painters too. It seems as though your IDENTITY as an English people is long gone. It will soon be read about in historybooks if you don't stand and speak now!
Christine, Austin, Tx, USA
I'm utterly shocked by this. While I'm all for religious freedom, the law of the land should be just that: one law, the same for everyone.
Elena, Virginia, USA
This borders on insanity. Does no-one in the UK understand the value of the tradition of western jurisprudence, and the foundation it provides to freedom? Does no-one correlate the imposition of sharia law in a society with the rise of real injustice in that society? God help you.
Tim Brodie, Anaheim, CA, USA
Islam is not a "Religion of Peace" -- nor is it even a
Religion -- it is a POLITICAL SYSTEM! This is a start of a Very Slippery Slope..... Adios, amigos.
Abigail, Tampa, FL, U.S.A.
What on earth is Britain thinking? This is truly a travesty and mockery of the British Judical System.
Jane, Boerne, USA
Great Britain is the only real friend that the US has in this world. It is a shame to see them continue to dilute their culture and slowly lose their identity of a great nation. I hope it's not too late.
Steve, Hartford, USA
Hello from Philadelphia, cradle of liberty.
As I sit in my office no more than 3 blocks from Independence Hall I wonder the fate of Britain, you lost the colonies and now are about to lose yourselves.
Get wise man and save her while you can before its too late!
Patrick, Philadelphia PA, USA
The crusades lasted 20 some years and where the desperate response after more rthat 400 years of aggressions by the Muslims, we need another crusade.
juan, Brownsvile, USA
Unbelievable.
What is Western Civilization coming to?
We are voluntarily surrendering our proud and ancient freedoms at the foot of barbarism.
Queen Victoria is spinning in her grave.
Theodore, Chicago, USA
To our Friends and Allies in Great Britain, For the sake of Western Civilization take back your country! The concept of parallel legal systems is extremely dangerous to your national autonomy. One Nation and one set of laws. Come on guys, we need you. Don't give in to Islamic Fascism!
John, Fredericksburg, USA
Hey Brits, there's room left in the USA. Come on over.
Tim, Seattle, USA
What a sad situation. Britain is giving up. Goodbye Western Civilization. How horrible!
Joanne, New Bern, USA
Your ongoing surrender to medieval death cultists will cause you much more grief in the future.
Who knew that Denmark would be the last holdout against the darkness in Europe?
Michael, Texas, USA
Just goes to show how deceitful this government is - slipping something like this is by the back door. Tis alone should generate a vote of no confidence for the government as they have acted against the British people.
Rob, Tunbridge Wells,
Looks like you people of Bitain (its not Great anymore) better get use to wearing turbans, putting your women in burkkas, and bowing to mecca 5 times a day. Looks like the jihad has defeated your country without firing a shot!!!
Greg, Raleigh, USA
What a disgrace, the UK shouldn't have even considered doing this! It's shocking!
John, UK, UK
Folks, try reading before commenting, this is an OPTION for CIVIL disputes; it has nothing to do with the POLICE or CRIMINAL law, this is also nothing new and has been an OPTION for a good number of years.
Martin, Poole, UK
Dear Britain,
It's been nice knowing you.
Your friend,
America
Luther, Los Angeles,
Insanity and treason. If the tories don't come out fighting against this I'm switching my vote to BNP. Enough is enough
Peter Lodge, Wakefield, UK
If you're sick of the British political/judicial classes giving away the store, come over to the USA and help us fight back the creeping socialism here. Britain, which my father emigrated from in 1950, and where I lived for a time as a child, sadly seems lost.
Anthony, Orlando, Florida, U.S.
I have a feeling that not many have read the actual article. These "courts" work on a " a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996." In fact, "Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision" and have "existed in Britain for more than 100 years".
Now do we all abide by Jewish law? Think people.
Suhail, Ilford, Essex
Our Government need to stand against these fundamentalists. They are leaving the British people no choice but to vote BNP. Absolutely ridiculous!!!!
Sandy, Southampton,
Right, i've heard it all now! I'm leaving this country after the next election, but will vote BNP before i leave. This is RIDICULOUS. Why has this only got a few news articles? It is DISGUSTING.
Martin, London, England
There is an earlier law that states that, to be legal, a law passed in this country must apply everywhere and to everyone.
By definition therefore, this is an illegal law and cannot be upheld.
David, Manchester, UK
This is utterly and totally ridiculous. I may just up and leave the country because of this. What happened to Britain's national identity? Gone with the wind due to pathetic immigration policies.
Good bye old Blighty! It was nice while it lasted.
Peter, London, UK
Jinx from Holland. We're as brave as you bloody lot are any day of the week. Who laid down their arms when the Germans came? What we've got is a lousy , traitorous government. which we will eventually deal with ourselves, without any interference from you.
EO
Eileen O Conor, Cordoba, Spain
Wow, you mean domestic and business disputes involving muslim parties can be sorted out by an arbitration committee designed to specifically cater to them, as long as both parties agree to do so?
I guess ignorance really does breed contempt. You should all be ashamed.
Sam, Portsmouth, UK
Simply amazing to see the British surrender their own country. Simply amazing.
Luxomni, Atlanta, USA
Jinx in Tilburg, The Netherlands: "In my country muslims are losing ground, not gaining."
I couldn't believe my eyes reading this.
A suggestion for you: www.hetvrijevolk.com
But in the UK it's even worse then in Holland. You Brits are destroying everything that Europeans used to stay for..
c-martel, The Netherlands,
How tragic. The once powerful and majestic crown jewel of western civilization which was England has committed suicide and lives now only in the pages of history.
Sherri, Panama City, US
Brave?! Repressing, oppressing and ignorance does not make a country brave. Britain is the best example we have of a country aknowledging amongst other things, the reality of the changing society existing in a system, a legal one at that. That is why it walks ahead rather than behind other nations.
Pinar Cinar, London, UK
How strange. I'm Dutch and in my country muslims are losing ground, not gaining. We're fed up with the fundamentalistic muslims. Even left wing parties are chancing their views on immigration and integration. I guess you Brits are not that brave anymore.
Jinx, Tilburg, The Netherlands
I can not understand that...
if muslins are a problem to britain, why do you keep supporting them ?
you british people must do something!!!
seriously... do not let this people spoil your countries.
Sam , London,
Unbelievable! When do we get the first beheadings of Christians daring to hold a service in Bradford or any of those other Islamic areas Its time the politicians started looking at what is happening in this country, sorry they are too busy wallowing at their expenses trough in Westminster.
John Dykes, Pontypool, Wales UK
Hmmm, how long until non-muslims end up in these "Courts" and stand little to no chance of finding justice. Sounds a bit like one rule for them and another for us.
Craig, London,
All going well I see
Muslims are winning and will take the wealth once USA falls!
Free Soul, leicester, UK
I am appalled! What is this country coming to, muslims have more say in this country than we British do. Stop pandering to them! This counrty has gone to the dogs and will only get worse, Get Gordon Brown Out! and yes I will now be voting BNP!
D Taylor, Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom
I'm of asian descent, but a firm believer that if you choose to live in the UK, you have chosen to respect and abide by the laws of the land. The self creation of Muslim only communities, dedicated Islamic schooling, now Sharia law - what next ?? Perhaps those who want all this should live elsewhere
S Lal, Derby, UK
Guys, guys, why weep for Britain when there's plenty of room in Texas for ya'll?
Just dress lightly and learn to drink sweet iced tea and you'll be okay.
Robert, Harlingen, Texas, US
Thats it then britain is finished the day we hand over control of the law no matter what level spells the end of this country.
Strikes me as a modern day crusades and were loseing!
I know who I am voting for from now on.
john, wrexham, wrexham
What is this country coming too. Pandering to these Muslims, if we went to their home countries I bet we couldn't have a british court, or be allowed to build 'Churches', god foresake.
Gordon Brown, shame on you. The sooner this rightist labour goverment is ousted the better. RULE BRITANIA!!
Sam Godwin, Wolverhampton, West Midlands
This is so very WRONG.
Muslims MUST abide by our laws when they live in this country. The logical endpoint of this ridiculous ruling is a Kindom more Un-united and at war with itself than we have ever seen the likes of before.
avid, Manchester, UK
General election quick please!!! Think the Labour party has completely lost it now. If I remember correctly one of the reasons the US and UK forces invaded Afghanistan was to stop the Taliban terrorising the population with this evil stone age law? Whatever next.....
Loonie Left Labour, Birmingham, England
Women are only worth half of a man. They will NEVER get a fair trial under sharia.
Our culture is that EVERYONE is equal under the SAME law.
Shame on the British Govt and judicial system. Sharia is not the same as Jewish Law, which our British law is based upon where their women are equal to men
kate Brennan, Cheshire, uk
Sharia Law is nothing like the Jewish Bet Din. Nothing.British and Western Civilization is based on the Judeo-Christian values and morals. Sharia isn't. Muslim women who came to the West for Freedom and equal rights are, now, condemned to the enslavement of women that is Islam.
C. Barnett, Birmingham, USA
All the sheep bleating on about 'labour this' and 'labour that' might want to look at when the act in question was introduced - 1996. Nothing to do with labour or this government.
Don't know how many of the BNP voices on here are paid, but people might want to remember why we fought WW2.
KataPhusin, London,
This is the thin edge of a very large wedge! Under Sharia law a thief may have a hand removed, a woman having commited adultery would be stoned to death! Is this to be accepted in a Christian country? Islamists throughout to world are murdering inocent people daily in the name of Islam.
Trevor Coles, Cramlington, England
The English Bill of Rights 1688/1689 states:.
"......that noe Forreigne Prince Person Prelate, State or Potentate hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction Power Superiority Preeminence or Authoritie Ecclesiasticall or Spirituall within this Realme ......"
Sharia Courts are ILLEGAL.
Peter Houghton, Swindon, Wiltshire
The government needs stoning......
Then they wished they did not pass a stupid ruling. The sooner Labour is out the better off we will be. I only hope that the vacuum it creates will not move us too far to the right.
S Williams, Wolverhampton, UK
One wonders what the government would do if we all suddenly decided to convert to Islam - it's our choice and what they want, after all - and follow Sharia rather than indigenous law. I'm willing to bet that a sudden mass influx from the non-special-treatment section would alter things sharpish.
Bob Hughes, Wolverhampton, UK
ahem THIN END o the WEDGE
jack, Adelaide, Australia
When in Rome
Mr Smith, Leeds, UK
Could you imagine a Muslim country allowing foreigners to settle their disputes by using the law from their own country? I doubt it. Why the hell is Britain so willing to give up it's Britishness to placate people from other countries who WANT to live in the UK. Don't treat us Brits like fools!!!
Paul Ashton, Cambridge, Cambridgeshire
Jane, Miami,
Millions of us share your heartbreak. We can't understand what's happening - why our precious birthright is being sold.. But I can promise you something, Jane - It can't go on for much longer.The point will come when we have to DO something - or perish
God bless you.
EO
Eileen O Conor, Cordoba, Spain
Its complete hypocrisy, when British was ruling Asian subcontinent, it had then separate legal system for different faiths. Today when Britain has large population of Muslim faith, were lies the problem. When people talk of democracy and freedom of choice, I wonder why this high headedness.
M Yatu, Leicester, London
Rob. 'The muslims are in Britain and we must get used to it'? Who says so? It's OUR country.
And if things get any worse you can look for an uprising in Britain and then the whole bloody boiling will be thown out, including the 'peaceloving' ones. Don't try to tell us Brits what to do.
EO
Eileen O Conor, Cordoba, Spain
Another nail in the coffin for us Brits not having our say!
Is the British government whom we pay all our money to going to financially help us Brits leave the country, its absolutely ridiculous, why don't they just let them take over our country, oh i forgot they already are...
Claire, Hartlepool, U.K
This should be looked upon in a positive light.Give it time.I would want an official website set up where all arbitrations can be examined by the general public.
The daughters of the Nuneaton businessman now know they would have got more from the estate going through county courts.Their choice!
mick, glasgow,
What other religious groups would like to self govern? How about satanists, scientologists, mormons or quakers? This is a christian based country, this is what is taught in schools and is the basis of our laws. If you want to live here then please respect that.
Terry, Barnstaple, England
Have you guys figured out how the police are going to work with both natives and a community that actively discriminates on the basis of religion and gender? There will be conflict, and Islamists will next need jurisdiction, and a police force, for their own laws. You can see where this is going.
Pashley, Denver,
Its very encouraging for British muslim to sort out their issues regarding divorce and financial disputes and those involving domestic violence.
British Muslims are a big group with their own needs . Many thanks to British government for its equal policy for large Muslim population.
Asif Masood Raja, Mirpur A.K, Pakistan
Totally unacceptable. It is tantamount to treason to human conscience and history. I hope that Britons will not allow this fait-accompli.
Cenk Erman, Ankara, Turkey
I'm of Indian descent myself, and I'll say that one should factor in that British Muslims are the least assimilated community in Britain. Providing an alternative legal system will only aggravate this problem, and not lessen it. Jews are at least much more assimilated into British society/traditions
Sanjay, Toronto, Canada
TO: The United Kingdom
FROM: An American of Scotch, Irish and Cherokee descent
As one whose ancestors came from the UK roughly two centuries ago, I mourn your decision. You have slit your proverbial wrists.
All I ask is what beer do you wish me to salute you with at your funeral?
Keith, Arlington, VA, USA
Having Sharia mediation and recommendation to civil courts is a good idea. The civil courts can then verify that no coercion was involved, and that there were no violations of the UK's obligations under international treaty. Same with Jewish or other courts. But having no such review is wrong.
Zoe Brain, Canberra, Australia
...for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Rest in peace, UK socialists.
Otto, chicago, USA
Congratulations, a new club to wield over the heads of non fanatical Muslims. In a religion where they execute apostates, how much pressure, now, will there be on Muslims to "conform" and choose sharia court? They rejected this in Canada for precisely that reason. This is sheer idiocy.
Doug Beaton, Sanford, USA
Equating these Sharia courts with the Jewish Beth Din courts that have existed misses a point: Jewish values and ethics are similar to those of the West, and are often at the very foundation of Western values. It is this fundamental difference that politicians miss.
Gary, Lindale, Georgia , USA
This is more than sad; it's tragic. You were our Mother Country. Our link to civilization. Your poets were ours. Winston Churchill was ours. The Magna Carta was ours. What you're doing now will part us irretrievably. Please, oh please, stop your government before it's genuinely too late.
Jane, Miami, USA
Allowing cases of domestic violence to be decided in Sharia Courts is like allowing the cat to midwife the birth of mice.
I've been to Saudi Arabia and have personally wtnessed Islamic justice. I use the latter word very warily. It belongs in the 7th century and not in a liberal democracy.
Frank White, Albuquerque, NM, USA
In terms of the law, it seems that there is little difference between courts of sharia law and the Jewish Beth Din.
The problem arises when one considers the population of these two ethnic and religious minorities with respect to the
total population of the UK. One is tiny, the other is great.
mike cato, Vestal, New York, USA
I don't understand what the big deal is; if the Jewish community has had this for over 100 years, why is it suddenly treason when Muslims are given the same right?
G, Jeddah,
Another nail in the cofin that was once Great Britain; the only World Power in history i can think of that voluntarily rolled over and played dead.
John Lewis, Upminster, Essex
Brown's Britain. We better leave while we can.
John, Lincoln,
What an utter disgrace.We have a legal system that gives liberty to citizens irrelevant of their sex, religion of sexual preference. How can this government allow any legal system to operate based on any religious beliefs. British law is the only law of this country not Jewish, Christian, Muslim etc
Andrew Tagg, Halifax,
Every discussion about Islam or England a pile of people come on the thread saying "vote BNP". I suspect they are paid.
It is not even an English party. It is led by a Welshman.
The BNP is like poison killing all conversation about anything.
Political parties, who needs them? They've destroyed us
Stephen Gash, Carlisle, England
As dispicable as I find the BMP's attitude to matters of race, they are unfortuately right when it comes to the invasion of Islam.
Pablo, Newport, Wales
This is the proof of great British approach to human affairs. It is this aspect of the English that make them great in he world. Congragulations and my deepest appreciation to all those who behave like decent human beings.
Mehmet Yasinoglu, Istanbul, Turkey
It is extremely painful to see the ocean of ignorance and hate shown here. All parties must agree to be subject to the rulings of these courts, or they have no effect. I'm certain that resolutions of these courts cannot contravene the law. These courts have the power of arbitration, nothing more.
Shaun, Victoria, BC, Canada
Suffragettes and feminists fought hard for the rights we enjoy in this country. To throw them away so easily is an outrage.
Lynda, Glasgow,
Perhaps some people need to read the article again before commenting - the Labour party were not in power in 1996.
Barry, London,
Enoch was right!
Stan, Pittsburgh, USA
This is going to end badly. You can't ignore the wishes of the majority on such sensitive matters. It is wildly, madly irresponsible. I'm only glad I don't live in a city. I shall be looking to emigrate as soon as I have the savings.
thomas, Norwich,
Time to start voting BMP, The government hates us the white working class, people have to stop voting labour because they all ways have.
Mr Jones, Liverpool, England
Dearest Brit Cousins
Have you lost your minds? You have unleashed the beast that will not be satisfied until your country has been swallowed by these muslim extremists.
Oh, that's right, President Bush is fool, a dunce who does not understand the real world.
You'll need us once more !!!
JT, Los Angeles, United States
The UK has laws, courts and a legal system that are for everyone. If people do not want those laws they should campaign to change them from within the legal and political system. It is entirely divisive to set up an independent legal system. This is wrong & will only fragment our society further.
Fred, Banbury,
Unfortunately we live in a country where the government won't be happy until they have handed over all control to Muslims and filled OUR country with foreigners. The BNP will certainly be getting my vote in every election in future...
D.A., Tyne and Wear,
Moslems are in Britain, are here to stay and everyone must get used to it. If they choose to arbitrate civil disputes their own way, it's up to them - it won't affect normal British laws. And commenters stating that Islam is "Britain's enemy" are woefully misguided.
Rob, San Francisco, USA
i will definitely NOT be voting Labour in 2009
Greg, Exeter, UK
I've heard the lot now.This really is the beginning of the end!
Let them go back to where they came from if they want these kangaroo courts.
I must find my pointed white hat.
james allen, manchester, england
This is unbelievably sad. I had hoped to take my wife to visit England when we retire. It looks like the England we have always admired will soon be gone altogether.
You British who still yearn to breathe free had better start leaving while you still can.
Come to America. You'll be welcomed.
Mike Frazier, Fayetteville, AR, USA
"and even if we disagree with them or think they are wrong, who are we to change them?
its there island as much as it is ours"
WRONG!
We have laws in this country that have served us for centuries.
this is England, if you dont like it, go elsewhere.
Mark Langston, Prudhoe, England
BNP gets my next vote
William, Manchester, UK
Farrukh, Woking, is probably correct but unfortunately Sharia law does conflict with our justice system. We base our judgment on facts and it is equal regardless of sex, race, religion or secual orientation. Sharia is not equal for women and gay people have no standing whatsoever.
This is a sad day
joe, Edinburgh, Scotland
Sharia courts v Beth Din? As I read it, Beth Din rule on "divorce to business disputes". With the complicity of British Police, Sharia courts are ruling on CRIMINAL domestic violence. Ironic in a law system that favours the male. Did they lash the offenders? Thought not. Thin end of the wedge!
Sonny B, Newcastle,
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."
As an atheist, I consider the Jewish faith to be an honorable one, but these sharia "courts" are nothing but a joke compared to the Jewish mediation/Arbitration.
Islam is our enemy. We fight wars against them! The current skirmish is simily a continuation of what some call "The Crusades"
Thomas, Cambridge, England
I thought government was for the people and by the people. Did the people of the UK have any say in this? It seems that the government wants the upper class to make the rules. When was the time that a government official declared that "I'm for this because the people voted for it"? Vote them out!
Nunya, Middleclass,
For all those who are up in arms about this, how is it any difference to British Jews using Beth Din to settle their civil disputes?
Brit, sussex,
So what is the British government going to do when one of these courts rules that per Islamic "justice", a woman is to be stoned to death in downtown London for cheating on her husband? Sharia law is a mockery of civilized society.
Eric Logan, Atlanta, United States
For those who go on about the islamic golden age the minoirites who were protected like "cattle" would disagree with you.
As for the Beth Din since when have Jews sought to take over England? realistically who can you see taking over the world today? 12 million people or just under 1 billion.....
BL, Kingston,
The UK is an ostensibly secular society of Christian descent. As an anti-theisist, I respect the rights of others to worship (though I believe they are deluded). However, I am in utter opposition to deviation in state laws and states within states.
Ozturk, Cambridge, UK
As an American I am flabbergasted that the most democratic society in the World would enact legislation that could ultimately led to its demise as a free society. Two legal systems cannot survive any more than two official languages. Islam is as oppressive as was the Catholic Church in the past.
Jim Alderson, Elgin, USA
What about Jewish religious law, Beth Din, in their civil matters?
jayjayjay, London,
Of course we shall be seeing the same number of BRITISH Courts (complete with Bibles) in SAUDI ARABIA next week ?
If not, then why not ?
I can answer that now. Quite simply they are not as flaming stupid as our government.
James Henderson, Manchester, U.K.
This is very worrying, especially when other headlines today are taken into account:
Timesonline: "New London terror warning"
Sunday Express: "Sir Paul: Terror Target "
The Sun: "We need more Muslim babies... then we can take over Britain"
The BNP seem to be the only party offering action!
John, London, UK
Thin end of the wedge, slipery slope, call it what you will but this is outrageous. As I type this we, as a nation, have 10,000's of troops delployed around the globe fighting against oppresive terrorist regimes that hide behind Islam for justification. And now we've given room to this?
alan, buxton, england
I thought you were bringing 'democracy' and 'freedom' to islamic countries like Iraq and Afghanistan. Why don't you first bring democracy and freedom to your own country, which is essentially making violence against women acceptable by law. This is really messed up.
Judy Lancaster, Windsor,
Jewish laws dont affect non jews , sharia laws will affect everyone !
That is the AIM.
bertibert, somerset,
sharia law has no place in this country,if muslims want their own laws and cultural differences they should return home and live the way they did before taking our hospitality and benefits.
malcolm ford, walsall, england
Our millitary is forced to follow the whims of idiots in America, our lands destroyed by English incompetents. Labour party Mp's ought to be sectioned along with those who voted for these deranged fools. They desecrate our lands and do nothing but disrespect the electorate. GREAT? Britain R.I.P
Martial, Edinburgh, Scotland
who do i complane about this
kay, bot , GB
I never thought I would say this but I am voting BNP.
KB, UK, UK
Wow! What happened to Great Britain? You lot (the citizens) need to take back control of your country - if you are still able to - unless this is really what you want?
Dusty, Houston,
As an American, this doesn't seem that bad, mostly because we have Judge Judy, who has similar enforceability and rules on whim.
Scott, Walthan, United States
Hang the people responsible! What an outrage!
Roland, London, UK
The Islamic Republic of England -- it's been a long run, UK, but I fear the end is within sight.
You and the rest of Western Europe can thank the rot of "Multiculturalism" to the' impending fate which awaits. What they could not do in centuries of war, you have given to them, willingly.
Jessica, Miami, FL, USA
I see a lot of idiotic thugs and BNP voters furious at this.
All I say to them is: research what you are angry about - just because your evil leader Griffin says it's wrong, you all shouldn't follow like blind sheep, which is what you are doing!
Get a brain or get out of this nation!
Jon Smith, Midlands, England
Has nobody noticed that the article says that these courts are operating under the 1996 Arbitration Act.
1996 - remember then?
In other words, this was CONSERVATIVE legislation.
IT WAS NOT INTRODUCED BY THE LABOUR GOVERNMENT.
Ian, London, UK
Insanity and disgusting. Are we going to see woman stoned to death in the street for having an affair like they do in Iran? In Iran they hanged to 19 year old lads because they were gay. There was a picture of it on the internet, they were hanged off two JCB diggers!
Considering joining BNP!
Peter Duffy, Glasgow, Scotland
I'm beginning to hate my own country. It's about time the UK stopped pandering to religous minorities.
Jordan, Wales, UK
I am quite concerned to discover, that Jewish Beth Din courts have been in place for more than 100y. That might explain why they are so successful. Isn't this a way of avoiding the court of law, and leaving criminals in business. Now the Muslim women will be 2nd class citizen in the uk. No future
lauren, London, uk
Its started ......!!!!!
IAN PAYNE, WALSALL,
I want Cameron to make a statement and reassure the country that this treachery will be reversed ASAP.
Chris, chesterfield, uk
I to will now be voting B.N.P.
dave, andover, united kingdom
The only good thing that will come out of this, apart from the amputation of the limbs of proven thieves and the death sentence for murderers and traitors, will be the rise in support for the BNP. Out of bad comes good my mummy used to say.
Peter C. Lucas, Torquay, England
Its not as big a deal as people are making out.
surely if a community share ideals and beliefs and make a set of laws by which to govern themselves then its a good thing
and even if we disagree with them or think they are wrong, who are we to change them?
its there island as much as it is ours
James William Pearce, Cardiff, GB
Well done Labour, you have just made all women second class citizens. Sure there will be another civil war in this country one day.
chris, Woodbridge, England
Why aren't the posters on here complaining about the use of Jewish law in Britain? Picking on one target is the sign of a bully.
Stuart, Manchester, England
Appalling and extremely alarming as this is, I feel that the comment from Richard of Nottingham hits the head of a more fundamental nail. '...people should be encouraged to vote BNP...'
By whom?
We seem to sit around waiting on 'encouragement' and this is where it gets us.
Ronnie, Bucharest, Romania
We saw this coming to the UK from this side of the pond for a long time. It was inevitable, first you give the EU dominance over your lives and now Islam dominance over you laws.
Al Richardson, Tracy , CA, USA
I'm a lifelong labour voter and a staunch one at that and whoever sanctioned this has lost the labour party any vestige of hope for winning the next election. The feeling amongst the majority non muslim population is running high and they will never accept this.
kim, london,
When is the British government going to listen to the vast majority of Brits. It is time the majority got looked after and the minorities brought into line.
The English judicial system would never be accepted in an Islamic country even if there were 500000 Brits there. I am slowly getting angry.
John, Ex pat, bangkok, Thailand
lot's of talk of the bnp here, pretty good, they seem to have their head screwed on right about labour.
brendan, Henley,
They want to blow us up they refuse to integrate, some hate us with a passion...And what does this ridiculous Government do... They bend over backwards for them...Dont they understand that if you bend over, then one can only expect a swift kick up the derriere! Brown should be tried for treason...
Rosie, Exeter, UK
I wonder how much more of this governmental insanity and treason will occur before the British Army rebels to save Britain? What do the Conservatives have to say about this...or anything? In the absence of a functioning opposition, the Labour party has gone mad! Woe is Britain!
Garth Rex, Glendale Heights,
Don't be so melodramatic, IF a Muslim wants he/she can go to these courts, they are not forced to, this article is slightly misleading if it is ttrue that these courts exist.
Jewish Courts are o.k. but how dare muslims ask for them.. Grow up. shariah does not give men more rights, read up on it
david, Leeds, Uk
Beginning of the end for British culture... unless you make a stand now.
Phil, Market Drayton,
I'm appalled.. This is really too far.
Good bye Labour government! Good by ignorant leftist appeasement tactics.
Has anyone explained why the British legal system (which has been adopted around the world as it is so respected a system, should be circumvented in the first place?
Stephen, Oxford, UK
Those who voted Labour would soon regret they actually voted for a party that is perfect at disintegrate the nation, e.g. uncontrolled immigration, devolution, sharia laws in our land.
James Wong, Macau,
I am on Hijrat to Great Britian to escape from corrupt Shariah courts. They may have a useful and limited role as have the Jewish Beth Din courts.
To ensure impartiality the parties who agree on such arbitration must not forfeit the right of appeal to the British legal system.
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M Khan, Peterborough, UK
No doubt we will soon be subject to "stoning" or amputation for parking on yellow lines or putting the wrong rubbish in the re-cycling bins
This country is becoming a real joke
Phil, Lymington, England
I'm sure the BNP are at this very moment are feeling overwhelmed by the sudden attention and interest their party will be experiencing. From my own point of view, it seems inevitable that tens of thousands of level headed citizens will be drawn to them, myself included after years of voting Labour !
PR, Manchester,
This is disgusting and is pure discrimination in favour of Sharia Law.
Other religions don't have this benefit in UK Law. If this applies, ALL religions should be treated the same, leading to a breakdown in the UK Legal system.
Presumeably then all Muslim states will reciprocate? I think NOT!
Paul C, Harlow, England
its explosive, the labour PC crowd are apologists and are creating an explosive situation. Thank god I left the country for australia and my children are safe from thier stupidity. When it all goes wrong they will cry for me & my fellow soldiers to save them, just as they did in every war.
james, southampton / auckland, england / nz
"Throughout the golden era of Islamic civilisation, non-Muslim people living in the Muslim world were able to follow the legal system of their faith so long as it didn't conflict with the Islamic legal system. Good to see partial reciprocity.
Farrukh, Woking, "
This is the bit that is wrong with your comment:
"legal system of their faith"
G, Reading,
Can the government be held to account for Treason? This lot have destroyed the UK and soon we will be fighting for our lives against this invaison by muslim fanatics.
Before things go too far (if they have not already) we need to put a stop to this nonsense.
John, Dover,
You can't pick and choose which laws you want or don't want..
Sharia is package if the want it; then they should have it all. Death for murder, rape, adultry . Amputations for theft, floggings etc.
In fact Sharia requires muslims to follow the laws of the country they live in.
Frank heaton, Manama, Bahrain
What is it with the Labour Party?
It was bad enough that Atlee's Government gave Russia a couple of jet engines!
Nu Labour should be put on trial for treason and hung!
Paul, London,
Democracy? A whole new system of civil courts 'agreed' with no vote in Parliament? To hell with New Labour. I am very relieved that Dominic Grieve is opposing this: the Tories are generally so compliant with Labour's changes.
NO. This gives hard line clerics the chill factor to control their women
Janice, Witney, UK
Never has an electorate been treated with such contempt as by this Government. Make no mistake all the hall marks of civil unrest are present and the Police and prisons would simply be overwhelmed. We are being led by fools in a direction that is utter folly and very dangerous. I despair.
Roger, Surrey.,
Time for a one nation Conservative platform: no more sectarian courts or schools...Islam is different and changes the game entirely. Have any politicians got the guts to stand up for law and justice in the UK? Probably not - if they are happy with Lisbon, then this is fine.
Ib, Dalston, UK
This is totally and utterly unacceptable. Unless the Lib Dems and Tories repudiate this insanity then people should be encouraged to vote BNP at the next election.
We are now way down a road of concessions to muslims that will lead to civil strife and I fear bloodshed.
Richard , Nottingham,
British justice has stood as a beacon around the world, much envied and much copied. If Britain must let the EU decide on its sausages and other petty interferences, so be it. For the British Parliament to end the notion that the law is fair and just and equal for all people is incomprehensible.
E.Cowham, Melbourne, Australia
Is this a joke? I suspect it is not. It is, however, an outrage and it should be allowed to go no further.
jo, Grays, uk
that is it. I am now voting BNP
Neil , London, UK
Appalling. A sure sign for me to now leave this country of weak fools.
John, London,
This is absolutely appalling. Why can Muslim's not live by the laws that everyone else in this country has to abide to? I find it disgusting that we are bending to the demands of a minority whose views on religion/sexuality/life in general is so backward and damaging to our beliefs & values.
Brendan, London, UK
Oh, dear me! Has nobody in our administration heard of "The Darwin Awards"?
Steve , Inverary,
Government must move and move quickly to quash this absurd nonsense that any laws or courts other than British laws and courts can exist within the United Kingdom. Should Government lack the courage and the will, the demise of British life & culture as history has defined it, will no longer exist!
Bob Evans, Anaheim, Caluifornia
We have now past the point of no return!
If they want "ISLAMIC" law then go live in a Muslim country simple really.
Mark, Leeds,
Thank you Mr Brown for making me vote BNP! There clearly is no otherway now!!!
Lee, Manchester,
No way - if they want sharia law they should go to a Muslim country not change Britrain to suit them.
Do not pander to the Muslims
paul carruso, Scunthorpe, England
Law should not be based on religious views(which are arbitrary) but should be based on reason, which is universal to all mankind. Allowing the muslims to have a parallel legal system will NOT increase integration, but will only revive new forms of tribalism. Welcome to the new Middle Ages!
Alessandro, London, UK
Literally, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
Is the Uk now "Animal Farm"?
Martyn Taylor, Swindon, England
All are equal before the law. Not anymore it seems. Now, people who have emigrated to the UK to flee 'oppression' are actively seeking to promote their own countries legal system over here. How does that make sense?
Up to now i've laughed at the 'throw them out' brigade but now i wonder?
anthony, Brum,
Throughout the golden era of Islamic civilisation, non-Muslim people living in the Muslim world were able to follow the legal system of their faith so long as it didn't conflict with the Islamic legal system. Good to see partial reciprocity.
Farrukh, Woking,
You guys better figure out how to re-establish control and British identity... perhaps its simply too late!
Ireland is too far behind...
Liam Connaughton, Elphin, Co. Roscommon, Ireland