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The Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, is considering appointing a regent to lead the Tibetan movement after his death until his reincarnation is old enough to take over.
The idea was discussed this week at an unprecedented meeting of 600 Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala, the northern Indian town where the Dalai Lama set up his government in exile after fleeing Tibet in 1959.
It is the latest proposal intended to ensure a smooth succession after the death of the Dalai Lama, who is 73 and has been suffering recently from ill health. The Tibetan exiles are keen to prevent China from hijacking his reincarnation, as it has tried to do with other of the most senior positions in Tibetan Buddhism.
The most likely candidate for the regency is the 23-year-old Karmapa Lama, the third highest in the Tibetan Buddhist hierarchy, who was born and raised in Tibet but escaped to India in 2000 in a huge embarrassment for China's government.
"It's now being considered at the highest level," said Dr Lobsang Sangay, a Tibetan research fellow at Harvard Law School who put forward the idea at the meeting.
"A lot of people are talking about the Karmapa as regent," he told The Times.
Tenzin Takhla, a spokesman for the Dalai Lama, confirmed that a regency was an option and that the Karmapa could, in theory, take the position, although he said that nothing had been decided yet.
"If we want the traditional way, then usually there's a regent appointed," he said. "He would be not so much a political leader, as a spiritual leader."
Delegates at last week's meeting agreed to stick to the Dalai Lama's policy of seeking autonomy, rather than independence, from China, but many called for a clearer succession plan.
Dalai Lamas are traditionally chosen by senior monks who interpret signals from the last incumbent after his death, search for promising young boys and then set them a number of tests.
The current Dalai Lama — the 14th — was born into a farming family in eastern Tibet and identified at the age of two after passing tests, including identifying his predecessor's rosary.
However, exiled Tibetans fear that following this process would leave them leaderless while the next reincarnation grows up, and open the door for China to appoint its own rival Dalai Lama.
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I respect Trinley Thaye Dorje. I believe he is true karmapa. Very kind, peace & dignity. like a buddha.
john, toronto, Canada
For Tibetans : for last 16 reincarnations, Karmapa himself said for many occasions that Shamarpa and Karmapa are inseparable. Never heard it about Situpa, Gyaltsab or Dalai Lama. And it never happened in Kagyu history that Dalai Lama would choose, approve or disapprove Karmapa's reincarnarnations.
Boris, New York, NY
Historically there were regents during the interim periods b/t Dalai Lamas but they were always from the Gelugpa school, the same as the Dalai Lama. However, in these difficult times, who knows what will happen & the Karmapa is popular among young Tibetans.
Wangchuk, NYC, USA
This person IS NOT Karmapa!!!!! This person was "recognized" by Chinese Govterment -destroyers of Tibet!Thaye Dorje ,who was recognized by the 16th Karmapa is real Karmapa!
Mark, Jerusalem, Israel
"Asked about the rival Karmapa, Ugyen Trinley Dorje said that one person is appearing at a time, who is the reincarnation of the previous Karmapa.
He added, Being its current incarnation, as I am, it is my greatest responsibility to embody the succession."
Dechen Lhamo, New Market, United States
due to a controversy the identity of the current 17th Karmapa is actively disputed. There are two claimants - Ogyen Trinley and Thaye Dorje - however, the majority of the main Karma Kagyu lamas, the Dalai Lama, and the Tibetans, inside and outside of Tibet, have supported Ogyen Trinley.
Dechen Lhamo, New Market, United States
Guys, relax,
it looks like Gelugpas just want to have their own pocket Karmapa - as they always did. Maybe they should introduce new title in Gelug hierarchy - Dalai-Karmapa :)
As Kagyu however, I'd follow Kagyu Karmapa - Thaye Dorje, found by Shamarpa. It has been Shamarpa's job for centuries
Boris, New York, NY
This is crazy! During the day "Times" was changing the photo of 17 Karmapa! Morning there was Thaye Dorje - inkarnation recognizet by Shamarpa (student of 16 Karmapa), now there is "Chinese" Karmapa. If Dalajlama thinks about succesion of "chinese" one its not very good news for buddist world.
Jarosław, Warszawa, Poland
The real Karmapa is the man whose photo was still removed, Thaje Dorje. This man on the new photo was recognized under an influence of Chinese government and by mistake approved by Dalailama. It would be very sad if this false man would be a regent.
Jiri, Prague
Jiri Lebeda, Prague, Czech Republic
why are you guys talking without any clear information. I am tibetan and i will tell you this is real Karmapa who will be regent incase if needed. This is Tibetan cause and this Karmapa has all those qualities which can unify all Tibetan under his influences. I know there is another selection.
tenzin, seattle,
Does every westerner know that in history, each of these 14 Dalai Lamas mush get the final decisive approval from the central government of China before he stepped up. This is the so-called 'gold bottle sortition' rule.
Ran, York, UK
The new pic is of the Chinese and Tibetan governments' politically appointed Karmapa. The previous pic was the Karma Kagyu Karmapa, who was recognized in the traditional manner and approved by the Karmapa Charitable Trust, who were the legal guardians in India of the 16th Karmapa's estate.
christoph, Seattle,
Good
no you have the right pic
michael lee, london,
This is a real photo, but wrong fellow. This man was recognized by influence of Chinese government and by mistake approved by Dalailama. The real Karmapa is a man on the photo which was removed on 24th November.
Milan, Prague, Czech Republic
This is another Lama who is called Karmapa, but not the one that is being cultivated by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Sumac, Amherst, USA
There are actually TWO Karmapas, one recognized by the Chinese Govt & the Dalai Lama & another one, Thaye Dorje ,who was recognized by the 16th Karmapa. Will the real Karmapa please stand up!
marila, Albuquerque, United States
The lama in the pic is NOT Gyalwa Karmapa
Michael Lee, london,
What better possible choice! The Kamapa Lama to succeed him! The Kamapa is the Buddhist Obama! He has travelled widely and widely respected.
San Ying, Montreal, Canada
Yes, I like this guy. He is really handsome.
Fabio C, London, UK
cool
d, london,