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The golden rule of politics (and life in general) is that if you are in a hole, stop digging. This sentiment has manifestly not occurred to Wendy Alexander, the leader of the Scottish Labour Party. In reversing her party's stance on a referendum about Scottish independence she has not only startled colleagues at Holyrood and exposed a split with Gordon Brown but allowed Alex Salmond to ridicule her as he did at First Minister's Questions in Edinburgh yesterday. The relevant issue in Scottish politics now is not whether a plebiscite on Scotland's constitutional future will take place in 2009 rather than 2010 but if she will still be in her present post by then.
If the timing and the execution of this policy shift had been different it might have had something to commend it. Mr Salmond has favoured the 2010 date for two sound reasons. It would let him have enough time to show that the SNP is effective in office and to build up backing for separation from its rather modest base, and, crucially, it might coincide with the arrival of a Conservative government disliked by the vast majority of Scots at the next Westminster general election.
There is no reason why Mr Salmond should be allowed to call the tune on this matter. In theory, forcing his hand on the date of a ballot could be an astute political initiative that would serve the noble cause of the Union. In practice, nonetheless, the way in which this has been handled by Ms Alexander is little short of a fiasco. If the policy shift had been conducted a year ago when the SNP won the 2007 Scottish parliamentary poll, it would have looked magnanimous. Today it appears cynical with an extra whiff of desperation. If Ms Alexander, Labour MSPs and the Prime Minister had been able to sing from the same song sheet, their words would have had the value of being tuneful. Instead, they have come across like a record being played at the wrong speed and backwards. Furthermore, in order to succeed in putting Mr Salmond on the defensive, Ms Alexander needed to square the Scottish Conservatives and the Scottish Liberal Democrats. She has not made any effort to do this.
Even if Mr Salmond could have been stampeded into an early referendum, the consequences for Labour in Scotland and the United Kingdom are far from certain. The sight of Scots publicly debating what they thought of their ties with the English might not be that attractive south of the Border. If Mr Salmond lost the ballot on a timetable that was not of his choosing, he would be within his rights, if re-elected in 2011, to ask his compatriots to vote again, especially if David Cameron had by then entered 10 Downing Street. Nor would the SNP disappear as a force because it had not won independence at the first time of asking. Mr Salmond's popularity and Labour's disarray are based on more than that.
The end result of this saga is that Labour is left with two possible courses of action. It could stick with its latest stand on the referendum and in so doing preserve Ms Alexander as its leader. Or it could decide, having contemplated further, that if Mr Salmond will not bite on an early referendum then it will return to being against one at all, in which case Ms Alexander could not carry on with any plausibility. This is a ludicrous state of affairs for a political party. Of these alternatives, however, the second would be the less damaging to Labour in Scotland and in England.
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As a Scot living in Aberdeen, I can assure you that I would be delighted to retain all tax revenues raised in Scotland, and end all transfers of money between Scotland and what remained of the UK. (Please note that the effect of this on the London treasury may not be what you expect...)
Gordono, Aberdeen, Scotland
How many nations used to be ruled from London and were told they couldn't manage on their own? How many of them want to return to London rule? NONE!
tony, Manchester, England
Dave of Slough says
"I would start negotiating now with the Scots over oil (it's not all theirs) and the national debt and the other matters needing to be sorted out. "
Problem is there is no to negotiate for the English . We need an English negotiating committee elected by the English only.
Alwyn , London , England
This is already an issue at the next UK election. The Tories are likely to win a big majority in England, but have a small majority or hung parliament, due to Scots over-weighting, which is unsustainable as their MPs have the right to vote on English and Welsh laws.
Richard, London, England
Can anyone take the Labour(ious) party seriously after all the scandal, muddle, fiddle, & bumble.
Hmm - Bendy Wendy Alexander, Gordon Brown...or Nicola Sturgeon & Alex?
Nnnnope, no contest. Independence cannot come soon enough, away from the Westmincester sleaze.
Labour..how low can you go
Richard Taylor, Aberdeen,
Please read the SNP manifesto before entering the debate,
Their declared intention was to show the Scottish people that they were a capable government ,then , in 2010 they would put forward their bill on independence.
Seems reasonable , don't you think ?
Labour is NOT in power in Scotland.
Disgruntled Dorothy, Glasgow, Scotland
I would start negotiating now with the Scots over oil (it's not all theirs) and the national debt and the other matters needing to be sorted out.
A "yes" vote (PLEASE!) will instantly give England a foreign PM, whom we can deport, along with Darling and the other Scots idiots in charge down here.
Dave, Slough,
Time for the PUBLIC to have their say.
The English/Scotish/Welsh AND Northern Irish all.
But can we have it in a friendly AND honest fashion please?
Ben Moss, London, England
What are the choices left for Scotland?
1) Vote Tory at next election? That's not going to happen.
2) Vote New Labour and help them to victory? Nope.
3) Continue to increase SNP vote and ask for increased powers/independence? Yes.
This train has one destination: Independence.
joe, Berwickshire, Scotland
The Thunderer has spoken loudly and clearly ...and not a soul in Scotland was listening. Now did you hear that?
JohnMcDonald, London,
While we're at it, UDI for Wessex! Wessex out of the EU!
THEN, Wiltshire can call for its own independence, and then you can all bog off. Bring it on.
On behalf of the WNP (Wiltshire Nationalist Party), PPC for the parochial Yokel-sub-Normal ward,
Mike L, Chippenham, Wilts
The sight of Scots publicly debating what they thought of their ties with the English might not be that attractive south of the Border."
I have to admit that the sight of the sassenachs doing the same thing vis a vis their ties with the Scots , have not exactly filled me with brotherly love either!
John Banks, Dumfries,
"in which case Ms Alexander could not carry on with any plausibility"
She had little to start with as she did not face an internal election, burned what she had with the donations scandal, and is now in credibility overdraft - which I suspect the bank may call in at any moment.
EuroMac, Brussels, Belgium
When will sanity enter this debate? I personally couldn't care less if Scotland left the Union. I just don't think it will happen. Not once the Scots (canny people, after all) see that their freebies (currently funded by the UK as a whole) will after independence have to be paid for by THEIR taxes!
JF, Canterbury, UK
So the Times says:
"There is no reason why Mr Salmond should be allowed to call the tune on this matter."
O yes there is! His party was elected in enough numbers to form a government, and he is the First Minister. He is also simply sticking with the pledge made in the manifesto. So tough!
MH, Cymru,
The double U-turn should just about finish Labour off I would say.
Labour ARE going to lose the next Westminster election.
The SNP ARE going to have a referendum on the back of a Tory victory.
The Scots ARE going to deliver a YES vote
Scotland WILL become an independent State.
Colkitto, Inverclyde, Scotland
You are advocating a double U-turn for Scottish Labour on the independence-referendum issue?
If that were to happen no one should be surprised if support for Scottish Labour collapsed to the benefit of the SNP and the noble cause of Scottish independence.
Ronald MacDonald, Edinburgh, Scotland