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Two terrible natural disasters have affected two neighbouring countries within eight days. In Burma, the cyclone that left up to 100,000 people dead or injured now threatens the lives of thousands more people because of the criminal refusal by the junta to accept and deliver urgently needed foreign aid. In China, the worst earthquake for more than 30 years is known to have killed at least 12,000 people but has probably taken the lives of three or four times that number in Wenchuan alone, the epicentre that remains cut off from the world. China's leaders, however, have reacted with exemplary speed and concern, mobilising a massive national effort to rescue survivors and prevent the outbreak of disease. The contrast could not be more poignant.
For China, where old habits of secrecy still linger, the new openness and concern are heartening. Wen Jiabao, the Prime Minister, flew immediately to the disaster area, voiced national grief and sympathy, visited survivors and repeated his call for even faster efforts to reach those trapped under buildings or buried in the rubble. More than 50,000 troops have been mobilised to aid the emergency teams and distribute food. Helicopters have been put on standby to drop medicines and provisions. Nearby airports have been closed to civilian traffic to aid the emergency effort. Priority has been given to restoring electricity and clearing roads. An appeal has gone out for blood and television provides frequent bulletins.
Things have come a long way since the 1976 earthquake that destroyed the city of of Tangshan, northeast of Beijing, taking an official toll of 240,000 lives. At the time, emergency teams were wholly unprepared. Details of the 8.3 magnitude quake were suppressed for as long as possible. No foreign relief teams were admitted in. And most of China was gripped by rumours and talk of omens - to the point where the collapse of the Gang of Four was attributed to the disaster.
The Chinese response this time is sharper and more mature. Beijing has voiced thanks for the world's sympathy, accepted aid offers and even appealed for help to neighbouring Japan, despite recent frosty relations. President Hu has accepted a call from President Bush to discuss the earthquake as well as Tibet, and voiced restrained hope for an “objective and fair attitude”. And suggestions that foreign relief workers may not be needed appear to be based not on defensive secrecy but on the realistic assessment that China now has the manpower and experience to cope.
Burma, by contrast, has neither the experience nor the capabilities to deal with the neediest 1.5 million people now at risk. The military Government's refusal, ten days after the cyclone, to accept help and expertise is causing growing frustration in United Nations and international relief agencies and has even led to proposals, well intentioned though impractical, for armed intervention to deliver aid. It is hard to comprehend a mindset so closed to reality that it puts the security of a regime above the survival of the population. But a junta that still regards the cyclone as an omen of its wisdom in moving the capital inland is one that has little conception of how it is derided abroad. Perhaps only China can convey the harsh truth. It needs to do so. Beijing has shown sense and leadership in rescuing its own victims. Tough talk to Burma might also help to rescue those suffering in that benighted country.
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William,
They can't have all 2 million troops doing the rescue either because it would be excessive and counterproductive to the rescue efforts. Have you ever tried to understand the government beyond just villanizing them as communists by name? Thanks to the non-China-bashing people.
Kat, Suzhou,
Is it possible the junta are trying to hide and protect their illegal opium fields and growing methamphetamine labs?
I've studied the matter and it makes sense to me that they would try to keep other countries from seeing the way the junta make billions of dollars a year.
Dee Davis, Deltona, Florida, US
The greed of those in power has condemned their fellows and nature itself. The environment has been polluted and has reacted. The Christ, now Maitreya, appears. Suffering during this process of adjustment is inevitable, but in this, destructive forces are released from their natural pattern.
Jaap den Haan, Namen,
china verry good !1
genrongwang, jiangsu , china
This shows that ASEAN is a mere talking shop. Where is this famous ASEAN?
Tops, London, UK
Praying for the survival of the many injured and in need in China and Myanmar and for those that are trying to help. We are one world.
Sharon, Abilene, Texas, USA
Try to understand the Chinese and hear their voice,stop calling them just "communist",China is a great country and it deserves respect and much more just than that .
Pray for China and all the best for the Olympics,and the people.
Claire, London, UK
I can't help crying when I see the news each time, but I believe that we can confeat this disaster. And I hope every one in sichuan would be safe.
grace, zhongshan, china
The natural disaster happened right at the border of Tibet and China to figure out the really human fate and punished those ignored the Tibetan fate. So, can we still undermine the Tibetan fate now! Let's China step toward near Human Right!!! Even the nature inspires people to solve the prob though
John Allen, Washington. D.C, US
Ridiculous. Buried survivors stood the best chance in the first 24 hours after the earthquake but China waited 96 hours to let in the first international help. And 50,000 troops is a joke. The country has over 2 million soldiers. The Communists need to figure out no one is waiting to invade them.
William, Arlington, USA
As a Chinese, I thank you for your kind words from fellow Americans. As well, I am glad to see the progresses that the government has made over the past 30 years. This incident again demonstrated that the government is genuinely doing good things for the Chinese people. Condolences to the victims
Jake, Edmonton, Canada
Thank you to all the international aid to China and Burma. The disaster isn't over, however, so please contribute if you are able.
Again thank you
Chang, DaLian, China
Why doesn't the US just "invade w/ aid"? That would at least be a better use of our military than destroying Iraq ... oh right: no oil in Myanmar.
agnes, ypsilanti MI,
Sichuan and Myanmar have brought great sadness to the entire world. They also bring out the best of humanities as a whole. If only the world can behaves like this consistently, we will have a very peaceful world.
CH Tee, HK, Hong Kong
To those Chinese who posted complaints: work on your English! This article PRAISES China for a quick response and excellent leadership to help the earthquake victims. China is showing a perfect example of how a country should respond to help the people. As for Burma, the world is LATE! Help them NOW
Micki, Olrando, FL, USA
I feel reall really sad after watching the news on the China earthquake. It affected me much more than Burma.
maybe it's because I'm Chinese too, blood is thicker than water, no matter what nationality we may be in.
Sincerely wishing China and Burma well! may more survivors be found!
CT Tan, Singapore, Singapore
Wow its it just insane that the burma government has reacted in such an evil way...... Its hard to believe there are still governments that treat their people in such a horrible way.
Eric, Boise, ID, USA
To the person that said something about "not liking the world police", given the chance to make a difference and save lives, what would you do?
Its no different than defending someone getting mugged on the street... Sometimes its just the right thing to do...
Eric, Boise, ID, USA
Zhuang Zi (370-301 BC) reminded us that :
"Fortunes are so light (like feathers) that we don't know how to carry it, Misfortunes are s0 heavy (like earth) that we don't know how to unload it"
Lets make the light feather heavy and heavy earth light for all the victims of the disasters.
CH Tee, HK, Hong Kong
Katrina affected property much more than lives. We did not lose thousands of lives. It was not handled as well as we would have liked, that is true, but I bet the people of Myanmar will never see brand new trailers and debit cards of cash handed to them free of charge.
Beth, St. Louis, USA
thank all people that hleped china ! At the hardest time,we will remember you forever !
li yushan, xi'an, china
All are politics. If the aid is not from American troops, the Burmese will accept. So we should not harsh them other than persuade them, they will let some international aids workers in.
Hieng, Hong Kong,
Chinese students are always known for their diligence in study, and just one month later, the juniors in high school will have their once-a-year college entrance examination, which is really important and regarded as the only path to success for thoses living in the poor and remove villages.but..
Stephanie, Beijing, China
I saw the TV everyday how difficult to see the bodies in Burma river floating like dead pigs. The government is denying the urgency of the problem. How these people in the government can sleep in their comfort when their own people are dying of hunger, no blanket, nothing at all????
Dita Tuazon, Bulacan, Philippines
John, Ashley, Indiana, you are one sick man.
I just can't stop crying after watching parents crying over their dead child, their only child, and the news on how teacher and parents sacrifice their own lives to protect the youngs. may more people be rescued! God bless China n Burma! kindly donate!
Faye, Singapore, Singapore
I have donated SD$1000 to China and SD$200 to Burma, as a student, this is all I can afford. please be kind and donate generously! God bless them all.
Ben, Singapore, Singapore
thanks,to all the people who helped chinese !
niya, weifang, china
The natural disaster had controlled human fate, at this moment to whom we still can blame??? The only thing we can do is that rescue the ones on the half way between dead and alive, and pray for those dead ones. Otherwise, where is our science? Technology? They got rid of us this time though!!!
Tashi Namgyal, Lhasa, Tibet
just because they don't lose any family, they really not giving a thing. these are the worse kind of people to be ever living on the earth. worse than animal worse than terrorist. China has recovered so many survival within a few day but the burmese junda are killing the survival in a slow death.
Julia, Singapore, Singapore
I am a student from china and I am studying in a university in my own country.
"Don't blame everything on China" ,Thank you ,Yuna.
We may not need your sympathy or donation ,but we do need understanding from the international society.
fandong, Tsingdao, china
The Chinese government is doing its best to help the people. They shouldn't have to worry about Burma when they have such a crisis already. Don't blame everything on China, considering America only sent 500,000 when in Hurricane Katrina, China donated more than 1 million dollars.
Yuna, Burke, Va, US
Folks, latest news was that the Myanmar authorities had allowed in aid from US. It seemed that US had by now airlifted a few plane load of aid. Well this are good signs for the Myanmarese victims. Lets pray that all will be well with the country and its people.
Let peace be the guiding light.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
Sadly, the first rule of all regimes is to keep staying in power. The Myanmar junta is a piece of crap, I think we all agree, and is worried that if someone other than themselves take care of the most basic needs of its people, those people will either revolt or leave. So they won't do squat
Adam, New York, USA
To continue, I recently read an article saying that even before the cyclone, military forces themselves barely had enough to eat, let alone anyone else. As cruel as it sounds, perhaps a tough stance against the regime, halting food coming in, will bring about its collapse, which is necessary for aid
Adam, New York, USA
After, listening to the news, seeing those images on miracle and grieve., I cried. I cried after listening to the news saying, teachers and parents sacrifized thier lives just to save the young ones and I was extremely moved. Eg, Song Xinyi, a 3-year-old, survived because her parents protected her.
Lynn, Singapore, Singapore
The quick reaction to this terrible disaster by the CHInese goventment really heartened us. We're extremely moved to see the troops risking their own lives to save the others. This is really a terrible disaster. The entire China is united at this moment of crisis, we really hope we can survive it.
Shirley, Wenzhou, China
I'm in Shanghai. We all felt the shock of the earth. The powerful earthquake has taken so many lives but China don't cry! We need put more effort to heal the wounds of anyone who suffers the pain of the disaster. We need courage and strength. Thanks everyone who concerns the lives in China.
Wan Kai, Shanghai,
Having lived recently in Rangoon for 6 months, we know some of the extent of incredulous wickedness in the junta. If the international community doesn't do something NOW, then they never will. No consideration should be given to such inherent evil as these leaders are.
Bonnie Walker, Chiang mai, Thailand
Since 1962 this Burmese government reined. The history of greed and the bully tactics this government delivers to it's people is beyond evil. Yes! the whole world can see what you have been doing to our people in Burma. You can't hide or run no more. We world see's everything now.
Trish, Texas, United States
"i say we send the aid for BURMA, to CHINA. at least they want it. a country deserves the government it has . . --- BOB from TEXAS
So the sick, starving and dying in the remote and inclement irrawaddy delta deserve their government?
I am from the United states but I don't think like you, Bob.
Anne, Durham, NC, USA
Burmese Government.....what a shame! They are looking for their own good.. So selfish and So stubborn. They are more cruel then dangerous animals, more cruel than tsunami. They never care for Burmese people they are exploiters. They destroy our country. But their term will go soon
HtetMyat, Yangon, Myanmar
Knowing that 50,000 troops has jumped in the disaster area is very encouraging. Even many elite air force troops has jump out from their plane with parachutes, to the most unreachable areas. What an impressive rescue efforts. Hoping the best for the victims. Hoping the best for China
Patrick , New York, USA
This earthquake place are chinese moutain place. Difficult to go. But Wen go there work day and night. In China, We like Wenjiabao.We call Bursh "world police". I think he is rich. So he don't know what is pity. he always stay in his farm...Power important for him than others life.
Tina, Beijing,
I am glad to see China reaching out to its people, maybe there is hope one day we can all live together peacefully.
Michael, North Carolina, USA
It is heart rendering to see such suffering by those affected by these natural disasters. It is from a sense of human compassion that we all wish to help in some way. Politicians are the key. The quality of the rescue will stand as the judgement of the character of man.
Don II, CharlestonWV, USA
It's just like someone addicted to drugs, you can't help someone if they don't want to help themselves, obviously Myanmar doesn't want to help themselves. They are probably just scared of something different. That's what causes people to hate others, fear.. Very sad. I wish they would accept help.
Crystal, Ft Lauderdale, FL, USA
On 7 may, a lake emptied out 80,000 tonnes of water near the region. Any siesmologist worth his salt would investigate earth movements. The authorities could maybe have warned the people. My sympathy and prayers go out to the sticken people of China.
nik, brazilia,
Go in and destroy the junta, and at the same time send unrestricted aid to those in need. Thousands will die and are dying presently, and the junta just dont care.
ken, Conesus, USA
This is the same troops that we viewed as harshly cracking down the Tibetans 2 months ago? Maybe not. Maybe, they were using the minimum force needed to restore order just like ours. it looks like the newer generation of Chinese military personnel understand how treat civilians with respect.
Tony, Georgia, USA
The Burmese government's hardheaded stance is beyond comprehension. It is evil. This is worst than the "killing fields".
I'd been to Chengdu and to the Chinese border with Burma. Such beautiful places. It's painful to watch and read about limbs sticking out of rubbles for help.
Anton, Baguio, Philippines
i say we send the aid for BURMA, to CHINA. at least they want it. a country deserves the government it has.
BOB from TEXAS
BUFFALO BOB, BOWIE, USA
I have relatives in Burma who said the junta is profiting from the foreign aids by reselling them. The supplies the junta "give out" to cyclone victims are for the cameras only and are taken back immediately. My relatives gave food supplies to monasteries cramped with survivors but were confiscated.
Julie, San Francisco,
To John from York, England
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:5
Look at England's own history of Invasion of Tibet and Colonization of India, and Burma.
Robert, Cincinnati, USA
I couldn't belive China even "appealed for help to neighbouring Japan, despite recent frosty relations". China gov't did the right thing. I believe they did that for the people, not for rebuilding the reputation as someone said.
polly, brooklyn, new york
Heart broken when I saw the pictures of the Chinese people crying over the bodies of their family who died in the earthquake. so sad...
polly, brooklyn, new york
pray for those who still surivise under the rubble...
polly, brooklyn, new york
If this govt, which is guilty of genocidal manslaughter by willful negligence compounded by tyranny, is not a candidate for (consensual or unilateral) regime change, then the International community and the UN have no further relevance in global intervention.
Jason, Bombay, India
If aid is forced onto Burma by air and land, do you think the military will challenge the `invaders' and fight while the stench of > 100000 victims assails them? if a city of corpses does not move them, then they need to be moved by force and tried for crimes against humanity.
Jason, Bombay, India
i have been to Maoxian county and Wenchuan county, very beautiful places. and people there very kind. I can't believe they were shaken by quake. Just wish my friends be all right.
Michael, hangzhou, china
i just could not keep my tears when i saw the pictures of all these innocent kids died and badly injured.
Emma, Hangzhou, CHN
The swift response of Chinese gov't is very impressive. I pray for the people still under the rubble...
Michael, San Francisco, usa
If you stay in Tibet and know tibet people? We don't like world police. And if somebody thought Myanma have problem, you can go there help them with your army. But there have no oil as Iraq! Myanmar is a neighbor for China. China like help them. But Chinese government work for chinese.
Tina, Beijing,
Myanmar/Burma junta won't and didn't care anything for its people. The less people they have in those area (e.g: Yangon), the more happier they are. Because they don't need to worry about another protest out there. I read that victims have to buy back those aid stuffs back from local authorities.
Ryan, Singapore, Singapore
Our leader bush has been criticized for slow reaction to Katrina, and only Flew on helicopter to "see" the victim from the sky, that is far less passionate than Chinese leader who reach out hand to the traped soul in the rubble!,
we need to learn from them, stop calling them just "communist"
dustin , LA, US
To John from York, England:
"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:5 KJV
Look at England's own history of Invading Tibet and colonization of India, Burma, etc.
Robert, Cincinnati, USA
World community should act collectivly againt Burmese Govt who is irresponsible towards its citizen and has left them to die.
sudhir, delhi, india
Are we all forgetting Tibet so soon? The Chinese government has no choice but to help its people this time. The intermational backlash over tibet embarrassed the Chinese government. With the Olympics so soon they need to repair their reputation!
John, york, england
Joe Crompton, Los Angeles, USA
Yes, Joe, If China can twist little brother Myanma's arms to accept aid and relief workers, it will. Unfortunately it can't b'cos Myanmar is not a province of China.
In any event, I do hope Myanmar will do its utmost to bring help and aid to its suffering people.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
The Chinese Govt and the people are reacting very positively and swiftly to this natural disaster. It is very sad to see people esp young ones being killed but it is a great relief to know the nation is doing whatever it takes to rescue the trapped and recover soonest.
Hope Myanmar will do d same.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
I wonder why some people still say China has control over Myanmar? Is Myanmar a province of China? No. Hopefully Myanmar can learn from the Chinese how a good govt reacts in tackling such a disaster. Speed and unity is of great essence. It is not late. The aid are in hand, just to distribute fast.
Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
Since the junta is denying most of the aid offered and seizing that which got in, I am helping a Burmese friend to collect cash for her friends inside to go to the affected areas, risking military blocks, bringing tarpaulin, sugar-salt solutions and basic medicine. ASEAN can surely do more.
Siew Eng, KL, Malaysia
Should we just stand and watch thousands die ?
Mohan, Orlando, US
Perhaps we should send officials to China to learn how to respond effectively to a natural disaster in our country.
James Wandishin, Baltimore, MD, USA
Send aid in the way it was sent to the Afghans in the war against the Russians---overland.
Mary, Pohnpei, Micronesia
It's never easy too handle a crisis on this scale, I am heartened to see the changes displayed by those in the Chinese government. Indeed, they have come a long way form 1976. Prayers goes out to those departed and still suffering.
Bibo, Beijing, China
Can we do anything to help them? Can Yahoo set up a donation link just like the one yahoo set up for Burma?
Jay, Singapore, Singapore
If Myanmar/ Burma junta has an ally anywhere, it is China. It is past time for China to twist the little brother's arm and get them to admit emergency aid or else face loss of China's significant military aid.
Joe Crompton, Los Angeles, USA
sometimes one just has to face the facts, you can't help people when thier government or lack of is corrupt and greedy. we can not take care of everybody, look at the people who need help in our own country. it is sad people have to starve and live in slums in any country.
ramona, harrison, US
China has power over the Burmese military: why don't they use it? That would be seismic: using the influence they have in a positive way as opposed to condoning some of the worst regimes in history (i.e., North Korea and Pol Pot's Kampuchea in addition to "Myanmar") would be a welcome change.
John, Arlington, VA,
UN chief Mr Ban should send in humanitarian aids under "resonsibility to protect" the Burmese. It's a waste of time negotiating with the juntas as they have their own agendas. So don't waste time and lives, Mr Ban. Act before it is too late.
KK Lai, KUL, Malaysia
Agree! But support the air drop with combat aircraft. If the junta is stupid enough to try to prevent them, relief flights should be protected.
Scott Santangelo, Crescent Springs, United States
we can praise China for its humanity; most foreigners fear the Chinese government and power structure lack compassion I am happy to see this fear has little basis in a crisis. The individual, the environment, animal life is sacred.Our future survival depends on treating the weak with respect.
rebecca pike , ny, usa
Start dropping relief supplies by plane or helicopter. At least some might get to those who need them instead of just giving the supplies to the Junta.
Diane Darcy, New York,