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Sir, The Virginia school massacre has predictably led to calls for more laws. But the only effect of gun laws is to disarm the law-abiding while leaving madmen and criminals with firearms.
In June 2005 a Virginia Tech student, who had a gun carry permit, took a firearm on to campus and was disciplined. The university governing board stated that they would never allow employees or students to carry firearms on campus for self-defence and publicly announced that it had disarmed everyone on campus: apparently everyone except the student with massacre on his mind.
Gun laws are part of the problem, not part of the solution. They did not prevent Dunblane or Beslan. Ordinary people need to have the means of self-defence. The school shootings that were quickly stopped by armed citizens never get much attention — such as those at Pearl, Mississippi, and Edinboro, Pennsylvania.
STEVE DEVEREUX, Dar es Salaam
Sir, Surely any tightening of the sale of firearms in America would be largely pointless given that there are already more guns in circulation than people. If the supply of ammunition were made illegal it would simply be pushed underground.
America’s lack of success at restricting drug sales and consumption suggests this would not lead to dramatic reduction in access, merely a reduction in tax revenue.
HUGH BANKIER, Tunbridge Wells
Sir, Mr Schollick’s suggestion (letter, April 18) that the Second Amendment is outdated now that “security” is the job of the police and the FBI misses the point of the amendment.
It was written to ensure that free citizens could defend themselves not just against foreign invaders, but against their own government, should it become despotic.
It is an argument we might take seriously if we consider the 20th-century regimes that proved particularly keen on gun control: the Ottoman Empire in 1915; the Soviet Union in 1919; the Nazis on coming to power in Germany in 1933; Pol Pot in Cambodia and Mao in China.
We can sneer all we like at the American gun lobby, but I doubt that anyone will ever try herding their children on to a cattle truck.
GERVASE PHILLIPS, Principal Lecturer in History Manchester, Metropolitan University
Sir, It is often said by Americans that non-Americans can never understand the depth of feeling among many in the US about the right to bear arms. But I think that in Britain many people now understand all too well the reality of a large civil government holding the monopoly of force.
The British Government is increasingly becoming a threat to the lives, liberty and property of its citizens: sexual orientation regulations, environmental policy, ID cards, the smoking ban and the surveillance society. Nevertheless, few of us would consider the restricted access to guns in Britain an assault on our liberty. Our liberty is, in fact, preserved by legislation that restricts others on our streets from holding guns.
NICK WELDON, Enfield, Herts
Sir, George Bush was wrong to say that the students at Virginia were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The students were in the right place at the right time, but the university, the police, and the country failed to provide them with the protection they deserved.
MIKE DRISCOLL, Adelaide
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Nobody having guns = best
Just good people having guns = good
Everbody having guns = worse
Only bad people having guns = worst
Unfortunately, the bad people already have them so America is trapped in a deadly spiral.....
JP, uk, Uk
Was the letter-writer, Mr N Feldon, being facetious when he wrote that "our liberty is...preserved by legislation that restricts others on our streets from holding guns"? Have you British failed to note the enormous increase in all categories of crime since your emotion-driven response to the Dunblane tragedy when the right to bear arms was taken from you, the law-abiding, and law-preserving, citizens? It is a responsibility, as much as a right, to bear arms because it carries the implication that you bear them not only in your own defence but, if the need arises, in defence of those unable to defend themselves. A madman or a criminal will always gain access to weaponry. You British have no defence against increasingly criminal and alien presences which are a very real personal threat to every individual. You have abrogated your defence to a hostile and disinterested govt. Americans are not impressed by your disregard of the greater tragedy of your nation's disintegration.
American resident, london,
Steve Deveraux quotes to massacres where gun laws didn't help. Dunblane was the catalyst for the gun laws we have in this country and Beslan was a terrorist outrage committed by people fro one country on another. I am not sure what gun laws there are in Russia, either then or now, but there are probably few in Chechnya. Even in the USA members of the armed forces spend quite a lot of time being taught how to use their firearms, yet anybody can get just about any weapon and use it without any training whatsoever. This means that many American are shot accidently by people who have no idea what they are doing. The prohibition of guns is likely to stop a lot of that happening.
David Leslie, Perth, Scotland
Sir, like every other mass-murder in recent American history, the Virginia Tech massacre occured in a gun-free zone. A gun-free zone is a place where even persons licensed by the state to carry a concealed handgun for their protection, and others, are prohibited from carrying a firearm. Of course, it's no surprise mass-murders target gun-free zones like schools and post-offices, where it is well known there will be no armed resistance to a massacre. The lesson here is clear: law-abiding citizens trained, tested and certified by the state to defend themselves and others with force should not be prohibited from carrying firearms at unsecure locations. If a facility wants to set up security guards and metal-detectors at the gates to prevent anyone from bringing in a weapon, like at an airport, that is fine. But to simply pass a law that filters out the good guys while allowing in the bad guys is totally unacceptable. As a student, I expect my state legislature to address this issue ASAP.
Nick Staha, Austin, Texas