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Sir, The majority of Church of England (CofE) schools do not control their admissions policies – the local authority does (“Sneaky, unfair, divisive: welcome to church schools”, May 23).
Alice Miles suggests that all church schools only select those who are the most advantaged in their catchment area. She cites one London church school with a privileged intake (whose admissions policy has changed) as if it is typical of all church schools.
Much more typical of the 147 church schools in the London diocese are those in Tower Hamlets, where the majority of the pupil population are from a Muslim or Bangladeshi background, or the 37 church schools where English is an additional language for more than 50 per cent of the pupils – or, indeed, the 68 church schools where more than 30 per cent of pupils are eligible for free school meals.
Church of England schools in the Diocese of London take the same proportions of white and ethnic minority children, as well as deprived and privileged, as is true of London as a whole.
The real agenda here is not about admissions policies in church schools; it is about the views of those desperate to deny a place in the education system for any schools which explicitly recognise faith and the religious approach to life as being of value.
Must secular liberalism be the creed for all schools? What then for those unfortunate children whose only fault is to have religious parents?
DR RICHARD CHARTRES, The Bishop of London
Sir, CofE schools largely mirror the communities they serve, and help to build social cohesion rather than the opposite.
The Church of England has endorsed fully the ban on interviewing for places, or any other mechanism for “covert selection”. National guidance issued by the Board of Education to dioceses earlier this year, designed to inform individual governing bodies’ admissions policies, are based simply on attendance at worship where faith criteria apply.
Our recent announcement of plans for 100 new CofE academy schools is a development that will provide quality education in an “inclusive and distinctive” environment, for children from some of the most deprived communities. Historically, serving these children’s educational needs was behind the Church providing large numbers of schools 200 years ago. It is still our main driver now.
THE RIGHT REV STEPHEN VENNER, Bishop of Dover and Acting Chairman, Board of Education, Church of England
Sir, Alice Miles highlights the divisive selection policy of CofE schools – the same applies to Jewish schools, where membership by parents of “the wrong type of synagogue” can prevent a child attending, despite the school being publicly funded.
However, there are even greater objections to such schools: by encouraging religious segregation from the age of 4 upwards, they create a social fragmentation that is unhealthy for society at large.
The best of them do attempt to teach about other faiths and British culture, but many do not, and exist precisely to oppose integration.
It is possible to believe in a faith, and in schools that take faith seriously, but not in single-faith schools, with religious identity instead coming from the home and extracurricular classes. Schools should be places where national cohesion takes priority.
Politicians need to be brave enough to resist the demands of local religious groups that wish to isolate their children, while bishops, rabbis and imams should see the common good as a religious value in itself.
RABBI DR JONATHAN ROMAIN, Maidenhead, Berks
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Faith schools have to follow the national curriculum and are regulary inspected by Ofsted. Children are taught about other religions and cultures and believe me,they also have sexual education! It would be unacceptable if the education
system forced all schools to have the same ethos. We live in a democratic society where different views on education should be accepted and parents should be able to choose from a variety of schools to send their children.
Fernanda Giles, Woking,
I live iin South London. What surprised me was the amount Faith secondary Schools We have down here. It appears the result of many yearsof Labour local goverment rule. Discerning parents have abanded the county/council schools and have opted instead for the faith schools which they believe to have the ethos that appeals to them.Leading to progressive closure of county schools.
Schools such as Tulse Hill School for Boys and Dick Shepherd have closed, whilst the faith schools such St Martins in the Fields High School for Girls have thrived.
The argument against faith schools is dishonest. It usually conducted by middle class white secular liberals. No one ask what the "ethnic minorities" want. Most of them opt for faith schools. Believing that they will promote the morals and standards that they desire for their children.
Certain highly academic and partially academic selective faith schools in big cities or even the home counties are not typical to those found in economic disadvantage
winston scott, penge, , london
The political subjugation of the state education system first by the unions then by succesive goverments and this one in particular to socialism. where evry subject is brought into conformity to a political agenda is the main reason why there is a such a flight from them.The progresive destruction of the univerisyt system by first flooding the system with spurios ones but using the same amount of funding and the continual attack on the independance of all universities is but the part of the whole .faith schools sem to offer an alternative yet in reality these too will be continualy attacked for this parliament in general and this goverment in particular hates all independant thought and anything that is not in conformity with its 'grand' .....folly.As for islamic faith schools it is understandable in one degree why they want thier own schools seign how far we are from teaching ANY morality to our own children other than a very subjective pc.
Gerald Blezard, LONDON, uk
Sir,
We sometimes behave irrationally, & often don't question whether our prejudices are supported by the facts.
How many of the British born terrorists were educated in British faith schools in comparison to British secular schools?
Perhaps well-policed faith schools could help long term integration as opposed to outright assimilation as evinced by our Jewish & Catholic communities.
SC, London , United Kingdom
What an interesting contrast between the Rabbi and the two Bishops, one acknowledges a problem exists and seeks to address it the others choose simply to deny any problem exists.
Well said Rabbi Romain!
PJ, Chinnor, Oxon
Bishop Chartres claims that his church bans covert selection but overt selection?
Nationally more than three quarters of its Voluntary Aided schools have religious criteria in their admissions regulations; its Voluntary Controlled schools (almost all the rest) are urged seek agreement to include them (Dearing Report).
He must know of the graded preferences being used by Greig City Academy for 200 places: 71 places for actively participating Church of England families; 56 for other active Christian families; 19 for families of other "recognised world faiths".
His final paragraph attacking "secular liberalism" is deeply disturbing and shows a culpable misrepresentation of community schools. Staff work hard with great success to meet the concerns, including religious ones, of children and families from many different backgrounds.
Demonizing of community schools and secular society is creeping into the Churchs rhetoric: it is revealing, dangerous and unacceptable.
Allan Hayes, Leicester, UK
Faith schools should not be lumped together, 'for fear of giving offence'. RC schools are for RCs, and are closed if not enough RCs attend, hence Cardinal Vincent Nicholls vitriolic campaign against government proposals to force faith schools to take 25% 'others'. Islamic schools are yet another few notches to the right: they are there to inculcate conservative Islam and mould lives, hence boys and girls are separated, daily Islamic ablutions performed, and the Koran memorised, never treated with any sort of critical questioning, a radical apartheid effect. Anglican schools are quite different: their ethos is 'serve the community locally', not promote a sectarian style of faith. We all know this, but cannot say it - for fear of spurious offence, the great dishonesty of our time, 'thought crime' in Orwell's dictionary.
Hildebrand, Oxford, UK
Voyager is talking nonsense. Rationalists do not want to force the conversion of the religious. They merely want religions to keep to themselves and not force their irrational beliefs on the rest of us by trying to hold on to their overpriveleged position in society.
Jim Hadfield, Kendal, Cumbria
When Clarendon restored the Church of England in 1660 it was to prevent another Civil War and hold the nation together. It did bind the people of England together until this century when the rise of Secular Socialism has become a new compulsive deity for those who view the world through forms of Marxist prism.
Attack religion and watch this society unravel and perhaps even explode. There is nothing more dangerous for Secularists to attempt than the forced conversion of the religious to the axioms of atheistic politics.
Voyager, Peterborough, UK
Rabbi Romain is absolutely right! I was educated by the Irish Christian Brothers and between beatings we were encouraged to think of Catholics as special. Ecumenism was merely a tool to show how others want to join us.
Dónal Thompson, Madrid , Spain