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Sir, General Sir Richard Dannatt’s assertion that the population of Britain sent the Army to war, and should therefore show its appreciation, is not accurate (report, Sept 22 ). War was made by an executive that suspended parliamentary democracy and failed to carry the nation to war. It is hardly surprising that when they are marginalised and voiceless, people make their feelings known through apathy and indifference.
The dodgy dossier, the shameful debacle over David Kelly and the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq have eroded public confidence in politicians. We are not Americans. We are now a people less interested in jingoism and militarism. If the sight of a British army uniform in Selly Oak, or the horror of having wounded Service people’s kith and kin descend into our Surrey backyard, is enough to upset British citizens, do we really think that politically correct councillors will entertain marches through their towns? Is this really the solution to raising morale in our Armed Forces; bands, marches and football tickets? Try accommodation, hospitals, pay, equipment and decent tour intervals.
The betrayal of British soldiers began at the top, with politicians who are not leaders, with people who have bankrupted the cultural capital of this country.
They are managers and fixers of problems, not leaders. To reengage us, politicians need to carry us with their vision, mission and values – and be seen to be embodying them.
I was a soldier and officer in the Army for 20 years. Now I am one of the masses. I feel for the soldiers, but I also know the betrayal of them does not lie down here.
MILOS STANKOVIC
Farnham, Surrey
Sir, General Dannatt demands too much when he calls for a “Roman Triumph” for soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. As he should know, the casualties of either of these campaigns fall well below those suffered in Northern Ireland in 1972, yet none then called for such a spectacle.
Additionally the “rules of engagement” in 1972 were far more onerous than any in force today, and the sole reward was a Bar to the General Service Medal (GSM), rather than the rather vulgar American-style, specific campaign medal of today.
In fact one must wonder what is going on, particularly in Afghanistan. We are slaughtering hundreds, if not thousands, of young Muslim fanatics, whose incompetence and lack of equipment are matched only by their courage. These are not grizzled old Pathans of Kipling, experts in fieldcraft and sniping, but adolescent hotheads from anywhere but Afghanistan.
General Dannatt seems to be one of that school of generals that regards Dunkirk as a victory.
MARK CORBY
London SE24
Sir, The people of Britain are well capable of separating their views on the wars we are fighting, of which they may not approve, and the soldiers who fight them, who still have the support of the country.
The problem is the recent reorganisation of the Army, and the links between our soldiers and the areas from which they come. Local people don’t recognise the new regional titles in the same way that they did, when regiments and counties were synonymous.
We can’t put the clock back but we can put the conditions in place for our population to pay tribute to its soldiers. It will cost money - money that the Government seems unwilling to provide.
EDWARD GREEN
Lichfield, Staffs
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That canard of supporting the troops but not supporting the war reminds me of ian Mosley.
The BBC's decision to cancel a programme about Johnson Beharry, the newest VC winner because it "might offend those against the war" is another prime example of disrespect. You can't have it both ways.
"I have talked to herr Hitler, Peace in our time."
Bydand, Tucson , Arizona
I would suggest that, although there were votes in both Houses of Parliament, Members of both houses were deceived by a dishonest Executive. Had a Third World dictator gone to war under such circumstances both Bush and Blair would have labelled him/her a war criminal.
Neil, Gloucestershire, England
Mr. Stankovic's view is echoed by many in the US. Here also we did not send our military members to war, that was done by an executive whose motives were and are suspect, and who was kowtowed to by members of the legislature whose subjection was a kneejerk reaction to the horrific events of 9/11/01. We support our troops and we too want for them "accommodation, hospitals, pay, equipment and decent tour intervals." Which the President continues to refuse them.
Linda, Albany NY US,
Incorrect Al. You ignored the dodgy dossier. We were not told the truth. The leaders of the government were not wholly truthful, Hutton may have been deceived, but the vast majority of the public weren't.
J Barber, Oxford, UK
Mr Corby's letter is disingenuous. There were 30 infantry battalions in Belfast alone in 1972, compared with 3 in Basra now. 4 RIFLES battle group has suffered 16 dead since May, a casualty rate unequalled by any Battalion in Northern Ireland, even after disasters such as Warrenpoint. In addition, the Rules of Engagement are actually more rigorous now than then.
Z Smith, London,
"War was made by an executive that suspended parliamentary democracy and failed to carry the nation to war"
Not quite right on both counts.
1. There was a vote in the House.
2. The YouGov Poll carried the question "Do you think the US and UK are/were right or wrong to take military action against Iraq." In the weeks from the start of the war (March 20 2003) to July 22 2003, at least 50% of the people polled answered "right". It was only in May of 2004 that the majority decided that the action was wrong, which is a little bit like trying to change your bet after the race has started and your horse is not doing as well as anticipated.
Facts please, not the usual "Urban Myths "
Al, weybridge, UK