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Sir, On my return from a holiday in Provence, I read “Christmas cheer dimmed by health and safety rules” (Oct 13). How many people have been injured as a direct result of street Christmas lights? How does this number compare with the number injured and killed in road accidents each year?
The French prefer the “at your own risk” principle. We watched bulls being driven along a main street by five Camargue cowboys on horseback, where there were no railings. On the Pont d’Avignon, some 20 metres above the fast-flowing river, a sign simply warns parents to hold their children’s hands. We watched more bulls being driven at speed past coffee and hot dog stalls. We saw people jumping out of the way at the last minute, the only concession to safety being that the ends of the bulls’ horns had been filed down. I applaud the French.
Anie Forster
Tavistock, Devon
Sir, We have troops in Afghanistan to prevent the return of a regime, part of whose creed is to prevent any activity of a celebratory nature. British soldiers are dying so that Afghans can sing, dance and, although unlikely, put up Christmas lights.
Back home there is an organisation, large in number, and apparently well funded, whose very raison d’être seems to be the prevention of all joyous activity whether commercial or recreational.
The Health and Safety Executive’s title makes criticism almost heretical: why would you not want health and safety? We do, but we also want to hold summer fêtes and put up electric lighting. The HSE would say that it has no power to ban these things. Correct, but it does have the power to burden them with so much red tape and, specifically, extra cost, that many organisers give up.
Peter Davison
Camberley
Sir, None of the disproportionate safety measures described in your article stems from specific regulatory restrictions. It is the councils, or their insurers, who are insisting on applying guidance too literally and failing to use common sense.
Obviously those installing Christmas illuminations need to assess issues such as stability, electrical and fire safety. But it is a common misconception that statute and/or the common law require such installations to be totally risk-free. Whether they are acting on poor technical advice or are just using health and safety requirements as an excuse to save money, such behaviour not only denies the public the enjoyment they deserve, it also risks bringing legitimate health and safety activities into disrepute. Safety is about saving lives, not stopping people living.
Roger Bibbings
Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents
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These kind of things make me so mad, councils and government are more bothered about harassing a little old lady tending flowers than they are keeping the public SAFE, when I say safe I don't mean from balloons or step ladders, I mean from violent criminals, discrimination, rape, pedophiles, dangerous motorists who go out of their way to cause hazards, chavs who mug, beat, bully and rape anyone who does not wear Nike, look at poor Sophie Lancaster who was brutaly murdered for being a goth, where were all these "rules", oh there are non to protect you from murderers. Someone, somewhere has their priorities screwed up, BIG TIME.
Cheryl, Mansfield, Notts
I have to agree with Roger Bibbins that councils who police Health & Safety legislation on the High Street are in general being too pedantic in their enfoecement of regulations.
The HSE is campaigning for sensible interpretation of the rules. The idea is to reduce serious risk to an accepatble level, not eliminate the day to day possible risks that have a less than a million to one chance of actually happening
Colin, Warrington, Cheshire
As ever people seem happy to use Health & Safety when it suits their own needs and take any opportunity they can to criticize the HSE .
If individuals want to do something, they will do it, in spite of Health & Safety advice or regulations. But these same people, with the aid of their claims lawyers, will be quick to quote H&S regulations if things go wrong.
Conversely, if they don't want to do it, they will use Health & Safety as an excuse for not doing it. Taking any piece of guidance they can find and applying it in a way that suits them at the time.
Unfortunately, I have to admit that there seems little room for 'common sense' when it comes to H&S these days... not because the HSE don't allow for it.. but because the claims lawyers have made it impossible to advocate common sense without leaving yourself wide open to litigation when things go wrong.
Health & Safety gone mad? Maybe! But it's our own doing in this claims hungry society that we live in.
J Jones, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
I concur with Roger Bibbings' view that the government, local authorities, the police, in fact most in authority now hide behind health and safety concerns to deny us more and more of our freedoms. It's the drip, drip, drip effect. They know we all want to be safe and they cunningly use this to inhibit our enjoyment and ultimately our liberty. How the likes of Stalin would envy the ease in which our rights are so easliy eroded-all in the name of Health and Safety!
John Neate, Manchester, UK
What seems to be lost on everyone is the fact that we are a more legatious country than before. We have large numbers of ambulance chasing law firms due to the changes in the law and of course this has only encouraged how shall i say it "dubious claims" which local authorities and others have to guard against. Unfortunately it is far more cost effective to pay out these claims than to fight them and these law firms know it. Hense these organisations try and limit there costs by being very strict in what they will allow and insure for. Most of us have played conkers in the autumn and yes we may have had our knuckles and fingers hurt during these games, I even had the misfortune of having one come off its sting and hit me above the eye giving me a right shinner. My parents wouldnt of thought of suing the school where it happend but in todays money grabbing society thats exactly what probably has and probably will happen again. The HSE arnt to blame the lure of any easy pound is.
Mark Gilligan, Wigan, England
I came to this page from the HSE website, specifically from Mr Podger's reply to Peter Davidson above. As I see it the HSE are guilty of promoting the survival of the very worst of our society, the steadily growing army of the terminally stupid. We need to weed these rejects from the gene pool, not lengthen their lives and their genetic prevolence. Please though do not think that I am suggesting some sort of cull, the costs alone would be prohibitive, the "Darwin" method is quite suitable.
kiereann, Manchester, UK, England