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While Simon Jenkins rightly asks Muslim scholars to pay attention to “blood-curdling mullahs and madrasahs” rather than “writing platitudes to the Pope”, his assertion that Islamic militants do not “undermine western values” ignores reality (Comment, October 14).
Freedom of expression is already restricted by Islamist intimidation. In many Islamic states equal rights for men and women are curtailed, and such restrictive attitudes are brought to the West by Muslims.
Until the West acknowledges that the conflict with Islamic militancy has deep ideological roots it cannot win the struggle for preserving its freedoms.
Hopefully, the Muslim scholars will join the moderate Muslims in the reform process.
Dr Jiti Khanna
Vancouver, British Columbia
DOUBLE STANDARDS: Jenkins laments the erosion of democratic freedoms in the West due to the paranoia induced by jihadist terrorists. He is right that the threat to the West lies within itself, but he is wrong that “for all its occasional and manifold lapses, capitalist democracy has been tested and not found wanting.”
In the West, the national interest overrides the investigation into corruption in awarding a lucrative contract to a foreign state, and the cash for honours inquiry ends up as a farce. A bank is rescued by pumping in taxpayers’ money. Wars are waged at the behest of a powerful ally. There is no consensus on pollution or global warming. The Islamic world’s venom is directed not at Christianity but at the double standards of the West.
Migel Jayasinghe
Alicante, Spain
PAST GLORIES: William Dalrymple’s article (A lesson in humility for the smug West, News Review) doesn’t make any sense today. Of course, Islam and the East had its golden age and the West learnt from it in all areas of science, politics, economics and culture. But that was 1,000 years ago, when the “thinking” age of Islam came to an end. The Abbasi [clan] invented the sharia and much of the sunnah [the way of the prophet], and the door of “consensus” was closed, much to the merriment of the Muslim clergy.
What worked as an orthodox body of political and social laws under the garb of divine sanction does not work now.
Dalrymple’s proxy chest-thumping on behalf of us Muslims is not only misplaced but also dangerous, as it merely adds to the anarcho-fascist era of Islam. The Muslim mindset has been imprisoned in the ruins of a dead golden age.
His fascination with Mughal India is also misplaced. Ultimately, the Mughals were just hedonists. The Taj Mahal is a wonder, but such projects almost bankrupted the empire.
Izzat Majeed
London W1
COMMUNITY VALUES: To be “a cheerleader for western values”, Jenkins must be happy to watch a society based on greed destroy itself. I would describe myself as a recovering Evangelical Christian but, while I’m now with Richard Dawkins, if there is a religion I admire for its values it would be Islam. If there is a religion with reason to feel under attack from the West it would also be Islam – from Israel’s failure to comply with United Nations resolutions dating back to 1967, to the silence over conflicts such as Chechnya and Bosnia.
In the West the cult of individual has taken over. Islam, with the “umma," has a society. We underestimate the power of this at our peril.
Steve Vickers
Worcester
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It is my personal experience because i live in a country where there is a mixture of east and west.
Muslims are guys who always are pointing a speck in your eye while they forget to see the log in theirs.
The very people who are islam backers who come from their jail like living in the east and come to the free societies of the west preaching about their culture fail to recognize the liberty they are enjoying are the efforts of millions of deaths by the early Christians who were assertive to the rulers of the day.
some of the things the early Christians died for, i can be absolutely certain they cant follow to this day :
1) To accept " all men are created equal ", you look at the rights of minorities in the east. To accept equal social status ( There is castesim, and racism in islam can you believe it , it is true )
2) To accept monogamy . to accept monogamy is to respect a woman just as you are, they count women not in people but in possessions.
3) To love your neighbour as yourself.
xavier, hyderabad, India
Of course Muslims are undermining the West, it is because Islam undermines Christianity.
The worst sin in islam is "Shrik" that is: to believe that God has a Son (Koran 4:172+/-5) . The ultimate revelation in Christianity is that Jesus is God's Son (Matthew 3:17).
When Satan tempted Jesus, Satan quoted from the Old Testament (Martthew 4:11) but it doesn't make Satan holy or truthful, beacuse on the whole, Satan is the "Father of all lies" (John 8:44). There are a few truths in the Koran taken from the Bible but it doesn't make it holy or truthful, because a lot of untruth is added on, and especially because it denies all of Jesus's teachings (Matthew 5:1 - 7:28). [The angel that revealed the Koran to Mohammed was a deceiving spirit (Galatians 1:8-10)]
The West has kicked Christianity (the antidote to Islam) out of the front door, while letting in Islam by the backdoor and because of the warlike nature of Islam and the appeasing nature of the West, Islam is here to stay.
carmine cicchiello, adelaide, australia
I totally agree with Zahra that if one has interest to comment about Islam, then he should have some extra reading mainly in the history.
All over the world, the misunderstanding of Islam is basically due to tha devoid- of-know people who persistently claim and come out with their own, non-sensical interpretation of Islam.
Things get worse, when the west-based media is always behave in just one-sided manner.
I'm not that sarcastic but if only you are some kind of open minded, I bet that the peace of the world is retaining real soon.
faiz, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
I think that some of your commentators with such firm beliefs and views about Islam and Muslims should show some humility and carry out an introspection into their own people's history and behaviour. There might be a lot wrong with Muslims and Islam but these failings are not exclusively theirs. Their is no human grouping that is without its failings, the challenge is to work together towards a more positive and constructive world to build a better world for all both here and in the hereafter!
rizwan, london,
Ever wondered why 200 million Germans and Europeans hated us Jews and feared the Jewish threat? Is it mere innate anti-semitism? Do people really hate the Jew for no logical reason? Do those who question Israeli war crimes really want to gas us? We Jews dont like to admit it, but people hate us for our mis-deeds and actions, not merely for being jews. Others really dont care what religion one is. But most decent people get really angry if we Jews are seen controlling American Senators and Congress with pro-Israeli lobbying which endangers American interests, which brings terrorism down on us all, or we force America to vetoe UN criticism of Israeli army war crimes against unarmed, defenceless Palestininan families.
Some fantical jews who work in US Jewish lobby groups are getting us decent - but silent - jews a bad rap. All it takes for evil to succeed is for decent jews to keep silent.
Marc Feingold, MAnchester , Uk
To zahra: no - and don't be so presumptuous.
You read some history and then comment on what I actually said.
I suspect you never will, and will not accept history because it contradicts your brainwashing.
Joe, Manchester,
TO Joe read a book on the prophet Mohammed pbuh,and then please make a comment after that. thank you.
zahra, london,
Andrew Jones' comments beg the very questions Dr.Jiti Khanna raises. His reference to Dr.Khanna's ethnicity is stupid. A host of others who warn of "ideological conflicts between Islam and the West" - do their ethnicity matter to Andrew Jones ? The jury is still out on how much further "the West" will go to defend "its values", such as "free speech" in the strengthening face of militant Islam, right in their streets. Terrorists are impressed by Western values, are they? Where does Guantanamo Bay fit in, Mr. Jones, in Western value scale ? Is it possible that the Bay may have achieved better results than your values of free speech?!! Grow up, Jones. The world is changing and not in favour of free speech, sire.
Kris iyer, Wellington, Newzealand.
The problem is - one of them - the most racist, aggrressive and offensive aspects of Islam are found at its very heart. The terrorists who insist they are the "true" Muslims are technically correct. Pakistan so-called scholars were ideologically correct by honouring Bin Laden: its consistent with the historic and ideological heart of this religion.
It's well documented in the Koran and Hadiths what the attitudes and behaviour of Mohammed was like, and in 2007 he would be convicted for war crimes and paedophilia.
And, he is regarded by all Muslims as a perfect and unquestionable example of human behaviour.
Joe, Manchester,
Steve Vickers, why specifically are you a recovering Evangelical Christian. What values in particular do you admire about Islam? Would it be the subjugation of Jews, Christians and other 'infidels' (either by conversion or dhimmitude)as Islam must be dominant. Do you have your facts right on Israel? If you say Israel has not complied with UN Resolutions aren't you expressing a double standard as Palestinians and many Muslims don't recognise Israel's right to exist though sanctioned by the UN. Why the fuss over 1967 - why is it okay to be occupied by Jordan, not a squeak of protest, but a crime to be 'occupied' Jews.
Lynda , Wellington, New Zealand
Fascinating to see Dr Jiti Khanna , a Hindu talk about equal rights. He doesnt mention the wondrous Hindu caste system nor the absurdutiy of "the west" (sic) restricting the right to freedom of speech of muslim scholars it doesnt like to defend its values of freedom of speech.
Andrew Jones, London, UK,