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Sir, Martin Samuel’s parody of the Cheshire police would be funny (Comment, Jan 18) if it were not so frighteningly true. Police forces in general have largely given up proactive policing.
Here in Somerset a real police officer on the beat is a very rare site. You may find community support officers chatting to noisy youths or asking beggars to move on, but they have no powers of arrest and command no respect among criminals. We do not want community support but community protection and that will only come from vigorous law enforcement by highly visible police officers.
The public has lost faith in a police force that it perceives as being officiously present to enforce political correctness or minor traffic offences but loath to get to grips with violent crime.
Richard English
Norton-sub-Hamdon, Somerset
Sir, The inhibitors to police dealing with antisocial behaviour are: the volume of administration associated with arrest; that an arrest reduces the number of already scarce officers on the street leaving yobs to run riot; that forces have had to make significant cuts because of falling budgets; micromanagement by the Government; and, a point that no senior police officer dare agree with, the overemployment of young women. I do not doubt their courage or commitment, just their presence and physical strength. Most public order arrests involve the use of force and officers need to know when they call for help that some “bulk” will arrive, not a 9-stone young woman.
Much of the above have let yobs get away with a great deal more than their fathers would have ever attempted, knowing that they have little chance of arrest and even less chance of being investigated for criminal damage or minor assault.
Public-order policing has to be impactive, very firm, consistent and with a lot of officers directed at problem areas. This means something else will have to give. So what should that be?
Robert Bartlett
Brockham, Surrey
Sir, For too long the police have held the view that community policing should embrace all members of society. It should not. There are those who, by their behaviour, exclude themselves from this softly, softly approach. They require a more robust approach from officers, as Mr Samuel says, who “have a mandate to deal with any incident in the manner they see fit”.
But there lies the rub. There are many in our society, including senior officers, who, while publicly condemning the offenders and offering condolences to the victims, would not be prepared to take the forthright action to confront the thugs on our streets properly.
This problem can be solved. It may not be pretty, and a few people may have their civil liberties infringed. Senior officers will need to be less “pink and fluffy” and the courts will need to pass the sentences commensurate with the offences. A small price to pay to protect the likes of Mr Newlove.
V. Hill
Worcester
Sir, To attack the police alone is missing some key areas of responsibility. Certainly the police should deter and punish senseless acts of barbarism, but they will only be able to do this if there is full support from the rest of society, most notably parents and the Government. The police want to do their job but they are handcuffed by bureaucracy, political correctness and a legal system that still favours the perpetrator. If we are to prevent our society from destroying itself through stupidity and weakness then we must force parents to take full responsibility for their children, and allow the police and the legal system to control crime properly with laws that actively protect from mindless and thuggish behaviour.
Matthew Minshall
King’s Lynn, Norfolk
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After reading Martin Samuel's article and comments provoked by it may I share some comments made to me by an ex police officer who took early retirement?
He claims that a significant problem is the fact that officers are effectively answerable to their political masters. We agreed that this meant that the police was being run by a bunch of Supintendent Mulletts.
As a number of others have implied it is not entirely fair to blame the police for the current state of affairs.
Other factors include:
Inappropriate setting of targets which lead to arrests for
inconsequential "crimes"
Difficulty in obtaining convictions
The last is presumably a consequence of under-resourcing.
We should hold the politicians to account and call for a radical overhaul of policing. Why for example can't we emulate NYPD by having an effective zero tolerance regime?
Sadly my friend feels that we have got the police force we asked for and that the situation is beyond redemption.
Colin Parker, SAFFRON WALDEN, UK
The police have made their own job much harder by alienating the very people they need to support them - ordinary law-abiding members of the public. As a member of the latter, I have had few dealings with the police, but those I have had have generally been less than satisfactory. I resent the assumption being made from the start that I must be no more than a common criminal. By the time it has become obvious to Mr Plod that I am nothing of the sort, and his attitude suddenly changes, it is too late. The police have an attitude problem and fixing that would be a good start.
Martin Evans, Newmarket, Suffolk
A suitable punishment for under 18 criminals would be to be handcuffed to one of their parents for a few weeks.
If two parents are available they could swap at half time.
Quick and cheap, does not prevent either child or parent earning a wage. A few weeks missed schooling ( if parent has to work in school hours) can be made up by special tuition for a few days.
Paul Samson, Geneva, switzerland
Yes, all very true but the essential point is being missed here : criminals get away with their depredations because there is only a slim chance of their being defied by their victims or caught by the police.
Criminals know that the law-abiding have been effectively disarmed by government (with the connivance and support of the police) and if they do resist actively they all too often find themselves being arrested and charged. Or injured. Or dead.
Now that we have "fire-brigade" style policing there is seldom an officer near enough to respond promptly when trouble breaks out; by the time the police arrive the perpetrators are long gone.
Lewis Thomas, High Wycombe, Bucks UK
Street crime, petty crime, antisocial behaviour - seems you all want more and tougher policing. But Why are these people behaving like this? They have no job and no prospect o one. Their fathers and grandfathers had decent jobs in mills, mines and factories, railways and farms - these jobs are either gone to the four corners of the world or have become so low paid that unemployment is an affordable alternative. With no future, no prospects, what do we expect this lost generation to do?
Policing is not the problem. Economic decay of the working class's world is.
These young people need a reason to participate in society. We don't give them one, other than empty threats of a punishment they are not scared of.
Mark, Grays, Essex
What should that be, Mr Bartlett? The administration. Every nick should have a couple of clerical officers to handle all the paperwork associated with all the arrests, working from the arresting officer`s recorded commentary of the event and perhaps a few brief words at the station. If the accused has to sit around on a hard chair while this is done, tough. The officer can be off harvesting another yob.
Rosemary , Germany,