We can argue about this indefinitely.

The recognition of the Holodomor as genocide is not anti-Russian – it is about honouring the memory of the victims and finally giving them historical justice.

Maybe Moscow should consider being a little less sensitive - this is not about them!!!

Stefan Jajecznyk, Nottingham, UK

2Arks: Facts are well known and reasonably well documented despite the USSR attempt to destroy all the evidence. Some of them are given in the original Times article. The format of this forum does not allow for an in-depth analysis, but u can read Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow,for instance

dan, Cardiff,

2 Riley, Kiev.
"Russians trying to hide the murderous behaviour of their troops...". SOVIET troops, Riley. With at least 40% of troops ethnic Ukrainians, led by Ukrainians (Chubar, Kosior...).

2 Roman, Montreal
Ilya Kovalchuk born and raised in Tver is also a Ukrainian, eh?

Oleg, Ontario, Canada

Apart from famine further brutality,was imposed on Ukraine brought about by Stalin as he feared the increasing autonomy that Mykola Skrypnik, Commissar for Education had encouraged in the country. In January 1933 he was replaced by Pavel Postyshev who accused him of Ukrainisation.

Margaret Siriol Colley, Nottingham, Britain

Roman, you give figures, but you don't say your sources.
maria, it's a pity that people died, but your president & your "historians" lie to you. Not a genocide but just a usual famine. If you want people to believe you that don't lie, give facts. I wonder why do most of those who speak of this...

Arks, Barnaul, Russian Federation

...If you want people to believe you that don't lie, give facts. I wonder why do most of those who speak of this so called "genocide" shows photos of a famine in Russia in 20s? Why, if there are so many facts & documents, eh?

Arks, Barnaul, Russian Federation

After all there were non-Jews who perished in Nazi concentation camps, but, I hope, the Russian Ambassador would not deny that Holocaust was an act of genocide.

dan, Cardiff,

In 1933 RSFSR included Kazakhstan where most of the "Russian" (read: ethnic Kazakhs) died from famine. 8,000,000 ethnic Ukrainians resided in RSFSR, 3,000,000 in North Caucasus, where hardest hit was Kuban with 900.000 Ukrainians (62% of population). Ethnic Russians were very minority of victims.

Roman, Monteal, Canada

As a Briton living in Ukraine I am troubled to see this site used as a propoganda platform for Russians still trying to hide the murderous behaviour of their troops in the 1930's - Holodomor evidence is overwhelming, despite Stalin's attempts to destroy it. Read a non-Russian history book about it.

Riley, Kiev, Ukraine

Only now our president tries to tell about this genocide to the world and he has terrible punishment, hatred from all the Russians because they are scared we will ask for compensation, make full investigations, open all documents from communist regime in 1932-33. But we dont ask it. Russians destroyed the first ever exhibition about it in Moscow gallery 2 years ago, bit the staff there and there was nobody responsible for it. Police was silent and if you tell them truth about it, they will just hate you but God IS GREAT!



Ukraine is free country now but the memory of 5 millions Ukrainians killed from pointless starving, at time when Ukrainian peasants had the biggest harvest for 10 years is still crying & telling today to all world: Dont forget us, please! We are innocent victims! We did nothing wrong to die like this!

maria, london, uk

I can in law witnessed about my grandmother being tortured but she didn’t died after Stalins food scavengers ransacked houses. How you can prefer lie about history Russia if Russian ambassador truthfully defends Russia? Ambassador don’t defend Stalin. My grandfather has perished defending Russia from Nazis, and other grandfather was in Gulag, and they bequeathed to me to defend multicultural polyethnic Great Russia.

Sergei, St-Petersburg, Russia

How can The Russian ambassador Blatantly lie about history and Stalin. My mother in law witnessed her mother being tortured and killed and her sister sibblings died of starvation after Stalins food scavengers ransacked houses and fields and took away their cows back to Russian borders.

Eugene Hawryszko, Melbourne, Australia

What do you know about US Holodomor in 1930? The great depression had south US famine. How many black and poor people could die in USA? and even real genocide ameridians. Why, economic policy of industrialization of Bolsheviks was absolutely identical of British economic policy of industrialization "when sheeps to eats of people".

Sergey, St-Petersburg, Russia

The British aristocrats had money from trade of the slaves, but Why they have expelled the peasants and have executed the wanderers not died from famine? Also, US archipelago Gulag had huge quantity of individual islands on all south of USA. Anglo-Saxon superstrain don't want the world to know how brutal they were to amerindiands, black, Indians and even British peasants.

Sergey, St-Petersburg, Russia

2 Jerry Moodry

Also well documented is where the grain went. Not only grain - the Hermitage and other Russian museums were literally looted at that time. This grain was consumed in the West while people in Russia and Ukraine were dying from hunger. Think about it before rushing to lay the blame.

Oleg, Ontario, Canada

Everyone should remember, that there was not Russian Empire, but Soviet Union. Soviet leaders cared little about "ukrainians", "russians", "khazakhs" etc. Social groups resizing and other communistic plans - that was their agenda. Ethnic nationalism was not even possible that time.

DmitryS, Tula, Russia

The revisionism of history is not by "nationalists" but by Russophiles like the Ambassador.

The sealing of Ukraine's borders, the mass export of grain during a very good harvest, and the Kremlin's replacement of dead Ukrainians with Russian's is documented.

Jerry Moodry, Jonesfarm, USA