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Sir, Your article (“Students with great job expectations are heading for a reality pay check”, July 21) quotes research that does not accurately reflect the earnings reality for today’s university leavers.
John Jerrim’s assumption that the average graduate starting salary is £16,600 is based on a very small sample of students whereas research published recently by the Higher Education Statistics Agency, which is based on the entire student population, shows that the average starting salary for graduates who entered full-time paid employment in 2006-07 was £19,000.
Having a degree remains one of the best pathways to a rewarding career. Employers prize the highly developed skills and talents that graduates bring to their businesses and are willing to pay accordingly. Individuals’ earning expectations will naturally vary but graduates can expect to earn considerably more over their careers than workers without a degree. The average graduate comfortably earns at least £100,000 net of tax more, in today’s valuation, compared with someone who only has A levels.
Other countries are not having debates where broadening access is questioned constantly. They are getting on and doing it, as we should.
Bill Rammell
Minister of State for Lifelong Learning, Further and Higher Education
Sir, I am somewhat bewildered frequently to read that graduates are having a tough time finding good jobs.
I am currently trying to recruit graduates and struggling to attract interest in a desirable marketing-related career with a starting salary of £20,000 and excellent prospects. I received only about 70 responses to adverts placed in multiple sources. Most did not have the required level of qualification stated in the advert.
However, out of the dozen or so graduates I approached to progress applications, four have not bothered to call me back at all and most of the remainder don’t want to relocate, despite being aware of the location when applying (Berkshire, by the way, not Timbuktu).
I have successfully employed hundreds of graduates over the past 20 years and been proud to see many of them progress to senior levels in industry through hard work, commitment and desire to succeed. Now I am experiencing either apathy or pickiness.
It’s not just me — according to the recruitment consultancy I am working with, there are plenty of great job opportunities around but not enough graduates of either the right calibre or with the right attitude.
Margaret Drye
Maidenhead, Berks
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Thanks to "no fail" secondary school exams and every back street FE college and night school rebranding as a "University", A Levels are now the new O Levels, Degrees the new A Level and MBAs the new Degree. Employers know the score and fix starting pay accordingly.
D Roberts, Leeds, England
I would have thought that 70 applicants for one position confirms the original contention that there are many graduates looking for too few opportunities. A ratio of 1 in 70 seems pretty tough by any measure.
Sandra, Slough, Berkshire
£20,000 per annum is an unrealistic salary in the UK. I bet you earn a lot more Margaret. I did post grad studies, it cost a fortune to maintain myself in the UK while studying and represented a significant investment, 20K pa is a not a good return, it's not being picky it's a necessity to earn.
Winston Smith, Edinburgh, UK
look we all know the truth. 2.1 or better from the Russell Group sorts out the men from the boys. There may be more graduates than ever before but there is no increase in the intelligent motivated ones who are gobbled up by the city, still.
colin, london,
Martin has it right. The large increase in numbers of people attending "universities" since the early 90's appeared to have been no more than a device to reduce unemployment figures.
Edward Johns, Lannion, France
Sir, Bill Rammell overgeneralises. The average graduate salary figure is probably a mean figure and is inflated by the higher earners. I have a degree and a postgraduate degree (albeit from a 'new' university) and have never earned more than around £33k p.a. Advice? Get into the right job markets.
David Abbott, Cambridge, Cambs
Margaret Drye, your problem may be the dismal starting salary you offer - I suggest you check what investment banks and the like are offering if you want to know where all the ambitious, high-calibre graduates are going, and why you are left with the apathetic dregs.
Sarah, London, UK
I graduated in 2005 and have never earned more than 14k a year. Never being able to meet basic living costs, and like half of my friends who graduated from my course (law), I moved abroad (to Spain) where I could afford a better quality of life. I could not have afforded a move to Berkshire.
Alba, Marbella,
Well said, Ms. Drye! Given their attitudes, may I suggest you stop advertising job vacancies and advertise the opportunity to win an 'apprenticeship' instead? Include a selection process to be shown on 'reality TV' and ask candidates to send links to their myspace pages. Or - look for older folk!
S Bucjan, London, England
Graduates have "highly developed skills and talents"? Most graduates do not have these nowadays, thanks to government "dumbing down" policy. Having a degree is much less of a differentiator than it used to be.
Martin, Newmarket, Suffolk