John O’Leary: Commentary
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Schools must publish everything from their truancy rates to the proportion of pupils with special needs, as well as examination results. So why should they object to telling the world how many sixth-formers get into university?
Parents would like to know, and universities might find it useful in deciding where to target their recruitment efforts. But what would the figures actually show? Almost certainly, the number of sixth-formers going to university will be in direct proportion to the A-level results that already appear in league tables. Universities use them to gauge whether applicants deserve special consideration, while parents can see which schools have the track record that makes a degree place more likely.
But every published statistic affects the way schools behave. They focus on teenagers on the boundaries of five high-grade GCSEs, for example, in order to improve the school’s position. In this case, the incentive will be to get as many students as possible into university, regardless of whether that is the best course of action for them. As Vice-Chancellor of the University of Exeter and chairman of the 1994 Group of universities, Professor Steve Smith can be forgiven for seeing higher education as every teenager’s aspiration. But some are better served by going straight to work. Teachers are sometimes accused of not encouraging their pupils to aim high enough. One of the objects of publishing leavers’ destinations is to address this problem. But schools should not be tempted to steer students towards higher education when they are not ready for it.
More than 90 per cent of those who take A levels go on to higher education, but too many drop out at the age of 16 or 17. For some schools in deprived areas, getting significant numbers of students into any university represents a triumph. In more affluent areas most leavers already go. There the question is which universities they are going to. Leading independent schools judge themselves by the number of leavers going to Oxbridge and a number of other universities. But it would be hard to know where to draw the line in official statistics.
Professor Smith is right that this important information should be put to more use, but not everything has to be published in league tables. Schools should be judged on the things for which they are directly responsible, like examination results, rather than their sixth-formers’ career decisions.
John O’Leary is editor of The Times Good University Guide 2009
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The most successful person in our extended family barely graduated high school (US), but threw himself into business with energy and resilience. In the States you have to have a BA to flip burgers these days. Absurd.
Nancy, London,
People must be allowed to fail. this process of dragging everyone all the way through education and engineering exams so that everyone gets something degrades high and low achievers.
University should be for the elite. And I mean elite whatever your background.
Olaf, Dundee,
A word of caution! Uni is not for everyone! My daughter, a good A level student did go on to university. She got a 2:1,without trying. She feels it slowed her career. She is a successfull international merchandiser. " I could have been there sooner", her words, "If those 3 yrs hadnt slowed me down"
Sheila Blakeman-Shead, Boston, UK
Of course it's right, Mr Brown says so. Anyway who is going to pay the lecturers wages if less than mediocre kids don't go into thousands of pounds of debt to fund those more capable? Honestly fancy pointing out the obvious...you naughty media you!
judy, Liverpool, England
With a daughter currently at university I was horrified to find out this weekend that at the end of year one over 30 students had left the course with an initial intake of 84 and that the average graduation class after 4 years was in the region of 20.
Tim, Northampton,
The way things are going I wouldn't be the least surprised to find that legslation is introduced making it a criminal offence to not attend a university!
Bill Q, Derby,
It used to be true that university wasn't for everyone. Now 50% of peers will have a degree. It is very dangerous to advise someone who could be in that 50% to be in the half without degrees, until we've seen how the new social reality plays out.
Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK
Going to university is not necessarily a passport to a good job. Tradespeople often earn as much or more than gruaduates. The left needs to get over their bizarre chip about education, accept that people have different abilities and let them play to their strengths. Stream by ability like the German
Colin, Glasgow, UK
Pushing too many people to University can be detrimental in the long run. After university, job expectations can be high. if these are not me, then the person can lose hope and probabaly not work at all.
Hamad Lone, London, England
It may not be right to push all pupils to take a degree; but it is definitely wrong to push pupils from poorer backgrounds to do degrees which are third rate.
Pupils faced with a choice between starting work and studying for a next to worthless degree should think very hard before deciding.
Des, Edinburgh,