Etan Smallman
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Trust Britain’s youth to be characteristically ungrateful. The Government goes to all the effort of making a website for 16 to 25- year-olds to express their views on identity cards, and all they get in return is a solid mixture of scorn, sneering and scepticism smattered across their fancy new forums.
In a bid to get the country’s youngsters on board the controversial scheme, the Home Office has launched MyLifeMyId.org, where 16 to 25 year olds “can have their say about identity issues in the UK.”
But anyone browsing the discussions on the site would be hard pushed to find a single positive comment, with contributors branding the controversial scheme as “creepy,” “dirty” and “illegal” and the website itself as an “online propaganda machine”.
One contributor writes: “I think it's pretty disingenuous of the government to come out and say “hey, yo, cool dudes! If you sign up for our hip hoppin' ID card scheme you'll never have to carry a heavy s*** passport to prove your age to some wack bartender again" or however it is they think we talk.” Meanwhile, amcs1983 had this to say: “So far the stats look like 100% say no to ID cards. Time to lose these results in a train station.....”
Another is equally censorious: “A Note to Jacqui Smith”, which contained the advice: “George Orwell never intended 1984 to be a manual for society. You’re a smart woman, I'm sure you knew that but I thought you ought to be reminded.”
Complementing the MyLifeMyId website is a YouTube video featuring Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary. But rather curiously for a scheme that sets out to spark debate, the page indicates that “adding comments has been disabled for this video.”
Consequently, one intrepid YouTuber has re-uploaded the video to offer this facility. WillHowlett says: “Thought I'd reupload this piece of propaganda on behalf of Jacqui Smith but with the option to post comments and rate ON. You know, seeing as the video's meant to be promoting discussion and everything.”
At the beginning of the year, when leaked documents revealed the Government’s proposals for the first stages of the rolling out of the contentious scheme, there was a ripple of discontent from a certain sector of the population. It was announced that the first ‘guinea-pigs’ for the project were to be students.
The National Union of Students (NUS) described the proposals as “extremely disappointing” and “morally reprehensible”. Ama Uzowuru, the NUS Vice President for welfare, said: "We would also be concerned for the safety of students' personal information if they were forced to enter the ID card system."
In March, the NUS expressed concerns that students would be in effect compelled to join the ID card scheme because they might not be able to gain access to key services – like the student loan system – without one.
The Government however is adamant that this will not be the case: “We will issue identity cards on a voluntary basis to young people from 2010, and there are no plans to make it necessary to hold an identity card to access any services,” a Home Office spokesman said.
“Young people who do not have an ID card will still be able to get student loans, and indeed no other public services will be denied just on the basis of whether they have an ID card.”
Nevertheless, the NUS say the Government may make it harder for students to claim loans and enrol at college without ID cards.
Although it is now evident that the overwhelming majority of comments on the website have lambasted the scheme, it is unclear what effect these views will have on its rollout in the run-up to 2010.
The Home Office’s spokesman was noticeably ambiguous on this question. “We want to know what people in this age group think of the National Identity Scheme, and their reactions to what services could be included with it,” he said. “The website will run for 12 weeks (until mid-October), and the feedback we get will be assessed, and the findings will help us shape how we roll-out the voluntary enrolment system for ID cards.”
However, one of the site’s users was less equivocal: “If they get a large negative reply [the Government will say that] ‘online figures do not necessarily represent the greater population’s opinion.’ If they get a large positive reply [the conclusion will be:] ‘We have received positive feedback from the population.’ Thats politics for ya!" he wrote.
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" have a buddy that is very adept at politics and he swears that the U.K. is the control center for the New World Order, who's goal is the destruction of nationalist western nations"
I can assure you that your buddy is not 'adept' at politics unless David Icke is your yardstick...
Farida Mohamed, london, uk
Exactly how are students going to pay the £100 fee for said ID card?
Martin Briggs, Heversham, England
truth is our democracy becomes more and more a prison state dictatorship every day! micro chips in bins, thousands of surveliance cameras, speed cameras. The chip in the bin thing was a secret untill an unspecting person found it there bin. how much spying is going on behind our backs?
mark, london,
What an ungrateful lot the British are. Your government has bent over backwards to eliminate all the rights and freedoms you once enjoyed and to replace them with cameras to watch your every move - all to protect you - and all you do is complain.
David Masu, Zürich, Switzerland
Do we not have the option of mass refusal to participate.
This would throw the system into an unworkable mess.
Travel companies and others dependent upon the document would soon have to call for it to be abolished in order for them to continue in business.
Bob Lomas, Whaley Bridge, England
Yesterday, Jacqui Smith was still claiming that the majority of the population support the introduction of ID cards. Methinks Jacqui Smith is telling porkies.
Dave, Newcastle,
Sometimes, students are truly positvely amazing - in this case they are at least fortunate to have a say on the issue whether or not the government cares to agree. It seems the opinion of students on this subject is a good sign for the future - good luck to them and please, goodbye to Jacqui Smith.
Howard, London, UK
Im a 22 year old, university educated professional. If they introduce ID cards and national database Im voting with my feet. Let Mr. Brown generate some tax revenue for a change.
Tikhon Savrasov, london,
last thing I will do in this country will be take delivery of an ID card ... then its off to the airport (if leaving is still legal in the Monitored Workers Playground of Great Labourland). NO 2 ID!
Geo, Glasgow, Still the Uk
I have a cheaper, more reliable alternative.
Why not just tattoo a serial number on everyones forearm?
David Turner, Leeds, England
Hopefully the Conservatives (or somebody) will get in in time to scupper this ID rubbish New Labour need to keep its old Stalinist eye on the public.
Roger Lorton, Nongprue, Thailand
Of course Spain, the only country to have made ID cards compulsory, have had no problems whatsoever with their own home-grown ETA terrorists.
Jacinta, London, UK
I think it is dangerous for Orwell's 1984 to still be a standard text in secondary schools. It infects young people with the wrong ideas. It should be taken out of the libraries and burned along with that seditious book by Bradbury.
William Haines, Northwood,
Oh for heavens sake not Spain ID again! The UK scheme is NOT AN ID CARD. It is a massive, tracking database, that contains massive amounts of data they want but don't NEED, and you are criminally liable if 1item (Any item) is even accidentally out of date. It is NOT an ID card scheme. It never was.
George Edwards, Beijing, China
Spain may have ID cards now, Felix, but that hasn't always been the case. They were imposed on your country by the Fascist dictator, General Franco.
Well, the British people have beaten the forces of tyranny and totalitarianism before.
A. J. Moss, Spalding, England
Come write about me and I will check out this site because the declaration of human rights says nothing about ID cards and everything about habeous corpus, freedom of holiday, work, and at the end of the world we'll be sorry we didn't adopt an international card for trading our CO2 like Airmiles!
Ben Samuel, Hendon, London
ID's, in spain i see the use of them, and there is no privacy infringment or anything. It helps identify people in cases where the card holder is unresponsive (comatose, fainted, death...)
Oh, and Roger, grow up...
Felix, Madrid, Spain
The Labour Party's version of the Poll Tax debacle.
You know, it's almost painful to watch an organisation hell bent on political suicide; if it wasn't the labour party, I'd almost feel sorry for them.
ID cards - one more reason to kick this administration to the dogs! "Back to School Jackie!!
Keith, Hythe, G.B.
I have a buddy that is very adept at politics and he swears that the U.K. is the control center for the New World Order, who's goal is the destruction of nationalist western nations for some greater aim, mainly to enslave the west to a central authority. Having read that England spies on its own....
Bobby, Long Beach, U.S.
Say no to the unfree ID. I will never take it willingly and civil war will begin even if you think you have taken all our arms and ability to rebel to kick you traitors out! The young today hav awoken because of the net, which BB did not realise would be a freedom tool for us the youth today, too learn the truth and the lies our dumb down parents were fed to vote us into the EU lie.
I'm on a course in Sweden right now, were they have an ID system,but its backed by much more stringent rules, than we would have in Britain! If Britain gets it, then it would be an abused nightmare! However in Sweden and the rest of Scandinavia its popularity has faded, and is only used when forced, because of the rampant ID theft and big brother abuse!
Swedes now have fast check outs at supermarkets and stores now, because credit cards and ID's have lost favour and Swedes have gone, and are going back to cash! Its safer and faster and private. ID's, speed camera's to steal from us and stress us to death, licenses for owning a fishing rod,or having to register how many knives you have at home is Commie-Zionist run Britain's GOV style, they want us as low IQ Tax slaves that's why immigration is key,first they have us say have less children then they say lets bring in more plus IVF of non westerners to out breed us! too have us lower our IQ via miscegenation ethnic cleansing by default and their NWO hell...Yes and I agree with the other poster NULabour has taken George Orwell's 1984 as their rule book!And forgot that it was a nightmare scenario!
Taking away trial by jury and Habeous Corpse and the time you can be held is more 1984 ****.
Poisoning us with flouride in the water the Nazi's did that which is short for National Socialist to subdue and make placid concentration camp inmates.MSG in the food to make us hyperactive with lower IQ potential GMO to make us ill and destroy the ECO system and to tax and control all food from source by not allowing farmers to keep seed.Taxing CO2 saying its a poison when its a buiding block of life that means its a tax on breathing! (They could have fought real polution! But oh no, no tax there!) Never mind the other multitude of crimes these trecherous political crimminals do! Yeah the west is trying to implament their NWO order,they want us to be a tracked tax slave from cradle to grave. Resign Jaqui and take the gov with you, and trash that evil big Brother nightmare on the way out.
roger, Cheshire, UK
Get over it. You're not citizens, you're subjects. Take the ID card and be grateful. Enjoy your surveillance society.
Ed, Pensacola,
ID cards and moving on to microchips are the lock in to the system..that at the moment has a loophole...
you have remedy without showing ID ... the government can only charge /discharge the person ..it is the person that has the ID ..not the human being ..
you tube ...bursting bubbles of government
Kay, surrey , uk
How much control they will have when you WILL have your ID card, A person wants to go for a few beers but before you buy your beer you need to swipe your card, after 5-6 beers your card tells you you had your fill please go home, total control, maybe not in 5 yrs but look in 15-20 yrs time."sheep"
patrick courtney, cork, Ireland
And the times when an ID is not producible?
Well let`s make that an offence
and detain the individual-stop searches would be a great way to promote state law and order and fiddle the crime statistics at the same time!
It`s already being done in Japan to demonise the foreign population.
Christophe, Osaka, Japan
Its like the old saying divide and conquer the brits get the job of the id card system the Irish got the smoking ban to introduce the French had some new work law to introduce more than likely all EU/US programs whats around the corner.
patrick courtney, cork, Ireland
Thank goodness these people are standing up for a free world. Of course 'at first' you won't need an ID card to perfom everyday tasks, but you will one day. And, then of course - we can do away with ID cards because microchips at birth would be a much better way of monitoring the sheep.
winnie, london, uk
Ray Poynter, we don't want your Big Brother b/s ID Card! Nobody in the world does! Find another job...
Matt, Brisbane, Australia
No-one believes that the Home Office, and Jacqui Smith, will take any notice of the results of My Life My ID. They've ignored all other feedback on the NIR and ID cards, Why should we expect them to start listening to the public now? ID cards are neither wanted nor needed, except by Smith and Co.
Simon Evans, Crockett, California
Students aren't stupid! They've sharply voiced what everyone's thinking regarding the cards AND cut straight through the political spin surrounding them. Nice try...
Eleanor, Yorkshire,
I'm an Admin on mylifemyid & a Director of Virtual Surveys, who are running it.
Your article is silent on the merits of the approach. Normal research is a very closed, command and control process. This is highly inclusive & open. Surely this is a move in the right direction?
Ray Poynter, Nottingham, UK