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GERMANY
German men see the conquest of German women as an extreme sport, a physical
activity that is up there with bungee jumping and paragliding. It boils down
to three essentials: stamina, technique and the right kit. The charm thing
doesn’t really come into it, any more than it does with mountaineering. One
chat-up line suggested by the much-visited German site Flirt-mit-mir (Flirt
with me) is: “Your eyes are the same colour as my Porsche.” Apparently this
works quite well, even better than, “Do you want to see my gun collection?”
There is a growing awareness though that this might not be quite enough. The fact that Germany’s most celebrated beauties are falling for foreigners (Claudia Schiffer for Matthew Vaughn, Heidi Klum for Seal) is beginning to be seen as a national problem. The columnist, Jochen Siemens, views German men as suffering from Caligynephobia (also known as Venustraphobia) – the fear of chatting up beautiful women. “The fact is that a beautiful woman undermines the illusion that one is leading a happy life,” he says, “doubts begin to gnaw at us.” And, since there is no chat-up line in the German language that can overcome this kind of brittle masculine self-confidence, the country is now brimming with flirt academies and seminars. Here, German men are taught supposedly romantic lines such as “Life is a big jigsaw puzzle – and you are the missing piece”. And that it is not absolutely necessary to line up your mobile phones on the restaurant table, or casually drop your car keyring (with Jaguar symbol), or to flash photographs of your villa in Spain.
Surveys usually find that German women prefer men who listen to them. For all the obvious reasons this message has yet to be taken on board. But part of the problem, of course, is that German women cannot quite distil what they want from a man into a text-book formula. The journalists Stephan and Andreas Lebert recently interviewed women on this subject for their book Instruction on How to be Manly. One typical response: “A man shouldn’t be a fretter, someone who is always asking how you are, or who is checking whether the yoghurt in the fridge has passed its sell-by-date. He should be able to show feelings and weaknesses, but not be a wimp, that’s the worst, not a gossip, no, no, but he should have the gift of the gab, that’s the most important, oh yes, and a sense of humour and, he should be, you know, a bit of a cowboy.” That’s it, then. Back to the classroom, Hans
Roger Boyes
UNITED STATES
Strategy, planning, opportunism, execution – all feature in the American
heterosexual male’s pursuit of the opposite sex. Take, for example, my
American friend Jim’s recent flight to Spain. On the plane was a
conspicuously attractive Spanish attendant, who was receiving a great deal
of attention from the Brits at the back. The Brits had calculated that if
they ordered as much booze as possible from her, then with every repeat
order, they would get more confidence and therefore another opportunity to
charm her with their self-deprecation.
Jim had also taken a fancy to this stewardess. He was polite, he smiled, he made eye contact. He also made sure to get her name and repeat it often. And then, when the plane landed, he went straight to the newsagents’ to buy an envelope, a pen, and some notepaper. At a nearby café he composed a letter to the airline congratulating it on its excellent cabin service – in particular the helpfulness and professionalism of a certain Spanish flight attendant, whom he named as a tribute to the values of the organisation. He included his name, number, and e-mail address, and posted the letter right there. Two weeks later the woman called him to say that his letter had earned her a bonus and that could she please go out for a drink with him next time she was flying through LA. “The idea just came to me, as soon as we landed,” Jim explainsto me. “I didn’t expect it to actually work.”
Hogwash. American men know very well that this kind of thing works. The very fact that I have two American male friends who have successfully charmed flight attendants – a career that surely represents the most fortified beachhead of womankind’s defence against unwanted romantic advances – suggests that it was no accident. In a culture where the drunk‘n’lunge method most definitely doesn’t work (although it has been known to happen), it’s a necessity.
In terms of romantic pursuit, the American male is simply a more evolved creature than his British counterpart. It’s been this way for a while: take the plot of Graham Greene’s The Quiet American, in which the quiet American in question arrives in Vietnam and uses a letter-writing campaign to steal the girlfriend of the hero, a foreign correspondent for The Times. The key to the American strategy is deferred gratification: what my Dad still calls “courting” and what the Americans call “dating”. Essentially, the American seduction comes in three stages: a conversation, a phone number, and then a date. Strategy, planning and execution.
As for opportunism – look no farther than Jim’s letter to the airline.
Chris Ayres
ITALY
It’s lunchtime at a high school (Liceo) in Rome’s historic centre, and
older pupils are milling about discussing plans for the evening. I ask one
of the girls, Francesca, if Italian boys are shy about asking her out. She
looks at me fairly witheringly. “Nowadays we do the asking,” she says.
My friend Fabio agrees. “It’s not so much that we have lost the art of seduction as Italian women become more feminist and independent. It’s more economic. Italian men tend to be old fashioned and think they should pay for everything. But times are hard, and we sometimes hesitate to make a date because it means asking the girl to go halves, even for a film and a pizza, which is not very romantic. So they take the initiative.”
Changes in the law have also had an effect: Italy has caught up with the concept of sexual harassment, with the result, Fabio says, that Italian men have discovered “there is a fine line between making advances and molestation. Making what you think is an innocent gesture can nowadays land you in trouble.”
The same evening, Rome’s youngsters are gathered on the cobbled piazza of Campo de’ Fiori, still in groups, though some will pair off later. In Italian socialising there is often little need to break the ice: going to a disco, club or pub is a group activity involving school or university friends, the extended family, friends of friends. Singles bars are thin on the ground in Rome, and speed-dating never really took off. Nor is there much binge drinking compared with Britain: Campo de’ Fiori is lined with bars but the only people getting legless are foreigners.
In the end, though, someone has to make a play for his or her object of desire – and despite economic constraints and fear of harassment allegations, young Italian men can still cut it, according to Daniela, a blonde Alitalia stewardess. “Italian men are pretty forthright. They don’t hesitate to compliment you in the street on your beauty, ciao bella and all that. They even whistle.” Does she mind? “Don’t be silly.”
What Italian men do not do, Daniela says, is drink to work up courage. Francesca agrees. “If they did it would be counterproductive,” she says, looking appalled. “If a boy came up to me and asked me out smelling of drink, I would tell him he was schifoso (disgusting).” And that would be that? “And that would be that.”
Richard Owen
FRANCE
For younger Frenchmen, dalliance with the opposite sex is no longer the
elegant dance of their fathers’ days. A smile and a flash of wit used to go
a long way, even between strangers in the street. “I used to prefer
galleries and cafés,” remembers François, a lawyer in his late fifties whose
recent divorce has put him back on the market. “Women were playful. There
was time. Now everyone is in a rush and they are suspicious and don’t flirt
with strangers. You have to meet at a dinner party, and even then it can be
hard work.”
Nicolas, 24, an accountant in Montreuil, Paris, says that he is quite successful with women but the old pickup places such as the street or disco no longer work. “The disco is absolutely out these days. Everyone is with their mates,” he says. “I have joined a salsa dance class and that’s great. It’s a super plan de drague (pickup method).” As for the approach, Nicolas sticks to the age-old one. “I improvise depending on the girl’s personality. There’s no set line. The thing is to try to make her laugh.”
A common complaint from Frenchwomen young and d’un certain âge is that younger men no longer know how to make a delicate approach. “Too many guys come on heavy and they tell lies,” says Mireille, a 34-year-old secretary in the posh 16th Arrondissement. Muriel, a recently divorced sales executive in her mid-forties, says: “Men nowadays don’t have the old panache. They’ re not romantic. They used to know how to make compliments and put you at ease.
Now they just come at you.”
Christine, a publishing editor in her fifties, who has lived in London, says that there is still a big difference in the art of flirting on each side of the Channel. “Englishmen do not look at you in the street, perhaps because Englishwomen do not know what to do. Frenchwomen love being looked at. You miss it when you go abroad – those glances exchanged in the street, on public transport, the little smile of admiration,” she says.
“Frenchmen still know that an admiring look flatters a woman and gives them pleasure. No more than that. It doesn’t mean the man wants to put you in his bed.”
Charles Bremner
AUSTRALIA
Six months ago a larrikin Australian mineworker woke after four hours’ sleep,
following eight at the bar, and saw a man in the mirror with a
thousand-yard-glass stare.
Ian Green might finally have caught 40 winks, but none of those he gave to the girls the night before had got him a phone number. Ditto his mate, Brett – but they had a plan.
“We walked up to the shopping centre and we went, ‘Righto, let’s just approach 25 girls we don’t know’,” he says. “By the time we left we had phone numbers galore. We actually met up with two of them that night out in a club.”
The 30-year-old health and safety adviser, in the macho state of Queensland, explains that the hangover has the same bracing effect as the brews that got him there – giving him that “what the hell” confidence.
Australian blokes may revel in a manly reputation and prefer – in the words of one comedian – to have their shirt ironed while it’s on their back. But anecdotal evidence suggests that they would wilt in the presence of a wildflower if not for a little liquid courage.
“If you’re sitting there at a barbecue, and you’ve got a beer, a girl’s drinking the exact same drink, well then you’ve got something in common just to start up with,” Ian says.
Jeff Cashen, of Sydney, says that most of his mates need a couple of drinks to up their swagger. But the singer-songwriter and emergency doctor says that now he’s 35 years old, girls expect a more mature approach and he has studied the little black books of Neil Strauss, the American seduction artist.
“A couple of my friends have done a lot of reading on strategies. We’ve tried a lot of those strategies – in fact, more work than don’t,” he says.
One common strategy is noted by Katherine Feeney, an internet agony aunt. In this game plan, as one fella locks on to a female target, his “wingman” steps in to distract her friends with a little witty banter and, yes, a little more social lubrication. But there are some more redeeming features to the Australian – and British – male.
“There’s a whole sort of larrikin spirit that you can’t overlook and self-deprecating humour, which is fairly strong in Australian culture and it’s accepted that that is a way to open up conversation,” Katherine says. “In comparison with Poms, I have met a heap of English guys who are wittier, and that’s a bit of a winner with Aussie girls, I think.”
Sarah Miller, 22, of Mackay on the central coast of Queensland, agrees that confidence is the key to success in the dating game but that alcohol more often than not encourages a straight-up proposition – small talk not included.
Does she mind? “Not really, if they’re hot it doesn’t matter.”
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interesting article about various countries chatting up techniques. i can understand most men need a drink or two before they approach a women to get courage. as i dont drink i just approach them, be myself ,staying calm and collected, worst they can say is no thanks and try again, lifes to short
Ali, london,
best chat up line is ''nice legs wot time do they open'' u will most probley get slaped tho lol
andrew lindsay, portsmouth,
Reverse psychoanalyse her; pretend you're homosexual for a while, get to know her, then confess.
Alex, London,
No need to psyche yourselves up, boys. Here in Japan where English gentleman is flavour of the month, the ladies do most of the chatting up. Pretty much all you have to say is, "So, you fancy getting together socially, Darling?" Of course, saying it in Japanese can be an advantage. Trust me, no Japanese lady will be "washing her hair" on the date an English gentleman suggests a private conversation. Spoilt, conceited, male chauvinist? Bet the farm on that.
Andrew Milner, Yokohama, Japan
I am useless at chat up lines and most social situations (loud bars, clubs etc) don't really allow for "intelligent/intelligible" conversation. However, I haven't done too badly over the years so am not too worried about my inability to use one-liners.
What I have noticed is that smoking areas have become a great area for picking up. Maybe it's the "we're in this together against the ban"...I don't know, but friends of mine have done ever so well since the ban was imposed. Reason enough to take up smoking...
Matt, Singapore,
In England best chat up line to snag a woman...would you like to have children??
Uche George, London, England
Its a disaster and a frightful state of affairs that the art of conversation is becoming lost to the world. I am sick and tired having to explain various anacdotes and turns of phrase to people who simply have a less than basic grasp on the english language, or the art of communication for that matter.
I relish the time i spend with choice friends with whom i can engage in a sport of verbal fencing.
Sadly its becoming the same with the opposite sex. Romance is losing its value faster than the Dollar vs the British Pound right now. A look of admiration far to often becomes a misconcieved "sneaky peek" i mean honestly.
The most attractive quality to date?
Being genuine. (truly ), A dash of confidence and a spinkle of witty banter.
I have yet to have any woman be offended from me being honest and saying i find her breathtakingly beautiful BUT i want to get to know her better
Its honest she is beautiful but beauty is not enough to warrant me sharing the night, my bed or my life
Mr Duff, Edinburgh, Scotland
Amongs all my female friends and all women I've heard talk about it, the one thing we all believe is that the single biggest turn-off, the most unsexy thing in the entire world about a guy is when you realise he's up himself. If he's shy thats fine - in fact its nice, if he's confident thats okay too but if he thinks he's great- yuuuuckkkkk!!!! ergh.
Most aussie guys are not up themselves at all and do need a bit of 'dutch courage' from a beer - but that's cool.
In fact, a bloke who needs to summon up his courage a little to talk to a girl is less likely to be a slut and a bore and therefore might be worth listening to or going out with. Guys who talk a lot too are also very boring.
greykangaroo, Sydney,
Years ago in dance-hall Ireland I was always jealous of this guy in our group who, despite not being particularly good looking, was always getting dates. He would go up to a woman he fancied, especially older ones, and say "I don't know what age you are but you don't look half it". It was always guaranteed a laugh and very often led to a late night cup of coffee.
Patrick English, Abu Dhabi, UAE
Looks like Africa does not come into your discussion. FYI Africans also follow some dating routine like the rest of the world. One way is the dress code--latest fashions in shoes and pants go a long way to help, a flashy car, ; yes women like being looked at openly in the streets at least in non-moslem countries. Yes, you can pick a woman in the streets by saying hi and starting some story based on that days events on news or if it is raining , curse the rain and start a story....... The other is a club where you buy her a drink but you are not guaranteed to succeed.... etc
JOshua, Lansing,
Successful or not, I hope I'm not reading books on pulling strategies when I'm 35. Or any age for that matter.
Dave, Beijing, China
Anyone who comes to a bar with a "wingman" should be shot out of the sky! Using your mates as a crutch means you lack the ability to keep a woman engaged. Start to use the whole "Maverick and Goose" approach and it's time for some self-analysis.
Scott Millson, Toronto, Canada
Despite the superficiality, a fun article.
I am an American living in France with a British wife.
Yes, the dating game is vastly different depending on where you are!
I think you are dead right about the way women in some cultures like to be ogled and/or admired and the way others (Englishwomen stand out here) can be offended by the very same attention...
What's at issue here is a skewed definition of equality - the basic fallacy that men and women are just the same, and that sexual attraction can only be expressed under certain special circumstances at certain set times...
No, no, and no. Nature always has the last word!
Best regards,
Alex R.
Alex Rychlewski, Bordeaux, France
âEnglishmen do not look at you in the street, perhaps because Englishwomen do not know what to do. Frenchwomen love being looked at. You miss it when you go abroad â those glances exchanged in the street, on public transport, the little smile of admiration,â she says.
âFrenchmen still know that an admiring look flatters a woman and gives them pleasure. No more than that. It doesnât mean the man wants to put you in his bed.â
What utter crap, I am an English woman living in France and absolutely detest the pathetic shallow rapport between the sexes in this country. French men look..but that is all and after a few months this leaves one feeling like a piece of meat! I am much more than a pretty smile and a great butt! but feel that this is what I am reduced to in this country! I MISS terribly being able to walk down the street and just be left to myself without leering from "all looks & no trousers" French men in my face!
Molly O' Reilly, Paris,
Andrew,
There are really women who would be interested in a dumb line like that? Why? It seriously sickens me to think that women go for money in a man. It's something I've never done. I always like intelligence, humour and generosity of spirit. No-one I could never get an English boyfriend in London.
Martina, Dusseldorf, Germany
Here's a chat up line that works on almost all women: " Do you want a credit card?" Guaranteed to get you lucky!
Andrew Nyazai, Godalming, UK
See, thats why you are single jim... ;)
The best pick up lines are the ones you can't understand, because then you don't have to roll your eyes in immediate dismissal!
sherine , Sunshine Coast, Australia
How heavy was the polar bear?
Jim, Melbourne, Australia
I married a polishman, who I met in England.
Will open doors, will carry bags, will pay compliments and will treat you like a royal goddess.
Can fix anything around the house, can dance, can cook.
Yes life has been much better since the inclusion of Mr Poland!
sherine , Sunshine Coast, Australia
My wife asked me out (on the phone), thinking I was my friend, she asked her friend to join her on the date, who asked my friend (the one my wife fancied) to come along thinking he was me!
We've been married 31 years with twin boys 26 years old, lucky for all of us I'd say!
Ian Turner, Dubai, UAE
Chat up lines that don't work:
A girl walked into a bar in Liverpool,, and there at the bar was the most gorgeous man she had ever seen, rippling with a fine physique and the most drop-dead-gorgeous looks.
She didn't have the courage to ask him out so she ordered a couple of double vodkas to build up a little dutch courage.
After a while the drinks took effect, so she sidled up to him and whispered into his ear "do you fancy a blow job?"
At that he punched her in the face, kicked her in the shins, dragged her by the hair to the door of the pub and kicked her into the street. He then returned to the bar and continued his drink.
The barman said "bloody hell mate...what on earth did she say to you that upset you that much?"
The man replied [need to insert liverpudlian accent for full effect] "I don't know...I didn't hear what she said, but the reason I hit her was she was offerin' me some sort of a job!"
Vaughan, Northampton,
We left Britain JHR. Got that right.
Jack, Adelaide, South Australia
Italians do it better!!!!
Walter Zenga, Rome, Italy
Brilliant comeback JHR, but at the end of the day, you're living in Norfolk, and I'm not. So I guess thats one -nil to the beastly colonials.
Matt, Hunter Valley, NSW Australia
Bobbie Crum, London, UK Wrote
"Out one night and saw a very handsome man standing against the wall with a drink in his hand - for some reason his shirt was buttoned to the neck - I looked at him and he had this silly little smile on his face so I approached him, said nothing proceeded to unbutton the top button of his shirt and then walked away. We ended up having an incredible relationship and are still friends today. Sometimes saying nothing is a very effective pick up line."
If a man did that to a woman, it would be sexual assault.
Greg, London,
Out one night and saw a very handsome man standing against the wall with a drink in his hand - for some reason his shirt was buttoned to the neck - I looked at him and he had this silly little smile on his face so I approached him, said nothing proceeded to unbutton the top button of his shirt and then walked away. We ended up having an incredible relationship and are still friends today. Sometimes saying nothing is a very effective pick up line.
Bobbie Crum, London, UK
Not much chance of Austrailia doing anything right Matt.....
JHR, Norwich, England
a man once walked up to me in a bar and wrote his number on my arm. he then walked away without uttering a word.
i called him and we met for dinner that weekend. we are now married with 4 kids. it just shows that words arent always necessary.
mrs reid, hitchin,
If Australia ever does ANYTHING right, you will let us know , won't you?
Matt, Hunter Valley, NSW Australia
i just said do you want to . A lot did!
donaldson, southampton,
A line that is guaranteed to fail, which is why I've never uttered it is..."Do you like chewing gum?" One would then grab and shake one's own groin area and continue..."cop this, it's wriggly".
peter moyse, Dubai, UAE
I remember this friend of mine. He's actually v.attractive, not exactly gorgeous, but still handsome and sexy. He once was in a posh restaurant and saw a more or less famous model sitting alone. He actually got up and started asking for her autograph. He suddenly stopped in the middle of the sentence and said: Oh, so sorry. I though you were XXX (her name), but I'm obviously wrong. You're so much prettier.
Stupid sentence that takes lot's of face and charm, but he still got her number and had a drink with her.
Gabrielle, Barcelona, Spain
God, you've gotta be deseperate (or thirteen) to read this stuff - at least the Oz stuff.
Bill, Sydney, Australia