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From The Times
April 19, 2007

The British National Party gains strength

As a Government minister warns of the dangers of immigration, Martin Fletcher finds a swath of middle England ready to vote for BNP leader Nick Griffin — a convicted racist who favours birching delinquent teenagers and paying immigrants to leave

It is, at first sight, a vision of rural bliss — a cream-coloured cottage high in the hills of Mid Wales and two miles from the nearest road. The daffodils are out. Lambs gambol in the fields. Chickens peck around the yard. In the side garden, beyond the rabbit hutch and fishpond, two blonde girls are playing in the sun. Look closer, however, and you spot the incongruities: the two rottweilers in their caged kennel, security cameras, the burglar alarm. You begin to suspect that the owner has chosen this house precisely for its inaccessibility. He has reason to.

Nick Griffin is leader of the whites-only British National Party and one of the most hated — and, to his many detractors, hateful — men in the country. He is a former National Front member, convicted of inciting racial hatred against Jews in 1998 and acquitted of similar charges against Muslims in two high-profile trials last year. He is a man who has called Britain a “multi-racial hellhole”, Islam a “wicked, vicious faith”, British Muslims “the most appalling, insufferable people to have to live with”, overt homosexuality “repulsive” and the Holocaust “the hoax of the 20th century”. He has declared that “nonwhites have no place here at all and [we] will not rest until every last one has left our land”.

I am about to spend two days with Griffin before next month’s local elections. Anti-fascist groups insist that the BNP should be denied the proverbial oxygen of publicity, but as the party gains strength with each successive election that stance becomes increasingly untenable. Nearly a quarter of a million people voted BNP in last May’s local elections and elected 49 councillors. The party is putting up 750 candidates on May 3, double last year’s tally, and may gain dozens more seats. The BNP is Britain’s fastest-growing party and it is absurd to hope that it will go away if ignored.

The self-styled champion of indigenous Britons greets me in a T-shirt and green wellies. He is a youthful-looking 48 with a plastic left eye (he lost the real one when a shotgun cartridge exploded in a fire) who has spent the morning working on his two acres. As he goes inside to change, I chat to his wife Jackie, a specialist nurse in Powys.

She and their four children — three daughters and a son, ages 14 to 21 — are BNP members, but she makes clear that she does not share all her husband’s views. “There’s some things you have common ground on and others you don’t agree on,” she says, refusing to elaborate. She clearly adores him, however. She frets about his safety. She calls him a “hopeless romantic” but merely giggles when I ask for examples. Griffin reappears in a purple shirt and suit — he disapproves of politicians dressing down, though he does wear a gold ear-stud. He poses for pictures in his tiny office. The wallpaper on his computer screen reads: “Haha, Dad you don’t know how to change this back!!” There are trophies from his days as a Cambridge boxing Blue. There is also a framed Kipling poem which starts: “It was not part of their blood/ It came to them very late/ With long arrears to make good/ When the English began to hate.”

Griffin kisses Jackie goodbye, reminds her to water his newly planted aubretia, and we head off in his Ford Mondeo estate for the fertile BNP territory of West Yorkshire, with its immigrant populations of 10, 20 or even 30 per cent. In the back is a book recording the Scottish National Party’s transformation from an extreme to a mainstream party.

Griffin’s inspiration, however, is Jean-Marie Le Pen, the leader of France’s far-right National Front, who turned “a bunch of crazies into a serious political force”.

“You’re all lying scum,” he replies when I ask why he is letting a journalist accompany him. “It’s part of your job. But you can’t say you’re a normal party, then hide yourself away. There’s nothing to hide.” That, of course, is the question.

He tells me about a life spent mostly on the extreme right of British politics. His parents met while heckling a Communist Party meeting in North London in 1948. During the 1964 general election campaign, Griffin pedalled up and down the street outside his home in Barnet with Conservative posters on his tricycle. By 1974 his father, a Tory councillor and member of the right-wing Monday Club, was so dismayed by Britain’s leftward drift that he took his family to a National Front meeting. Griffin, then 15, joined immediately.

After graduating in law from Cambridge he worked for the NF in London, living on the dole. The party imploded during the Thatcher years. He quit in 1989. In the mid1990s John Tyndall, the neo-Nazi demagogue who founded the BNP in 1982, lured him back into Far-Right politics.

Griffin made statements condoning street violence. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, for alleging the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to brainwash the British people. In 1999, however, he ousted Tyndall as BNP leader and set about turning a bunch of neo-Nazi skinheads into an electable party. The rhetoric was tempered, some of the worst rowdies left and suits replaced bomber jackets.

Griffin has earned his £1,800-a-month BNP salary. The party won three council seats in Burnley in 2002. It now has 49 nationwide, and on May 3 Griffin expects to win many more in what he sarcastically calls “enriched” areas such as inner Essex, the Black Country, West Yorkshire and Lancashire.

The party will also be contesting seats in blue-rinse towns such as Harrogate, Bath, Windsor and Torbay. One recent poll suggested that 7 per cent of the electorate would consider voting for it.

Griffin says that membership has risen from 1,300 in 1999 to 10,500, boosted by home-grown Islamic terrorist plots, globalisation and his dramatic acquittal in last year’s race-hate trials. Critics insist that the BNP’s move towards respectability is purely cosmetic. Griffin retorts, as we join the motorway, that it is “deep and sincere”. He admits “past stupidities”, and says that he regrets the way that the BNP used to provoke confrontations or to discuss race in a way that was “frankly crude, or cruelly and inaccurately supremacist”.

He is not racist, he argues. He does not believe that whites are superior. He believes that races are different and that multiculturalism is a recipe for disaster. He opposes miscegenation “because most people want their grandchildren to look basically like them”. If the liberal elite had its way, the world would become “a giant melting pot turning out coffee-coloured citizens by the million”.

The BNP no longer demands the recriminalisation of homosexuality, but Griffin still expresses disgust at the idea of two men “snogging in public”. His revised views on the Holocaust are striking, too. He says that he derided the Holocaust only because the Left used it as “a huge moral club” with which to beat opponents of multiculturalism. He now accepts that millions of Jews were killed, but claims that some historians (he cites David Irving) still question whether it was deliberate genocide.

The rules of warfare on the Eastern Front allowed 50 civilian hostages to be shot for each soldier killed in a partisan attack, Griffin states without trace of irony. “When you consider that the communists claim the partisans killed at least 10,000 German soldiers, that would account for five million people being shot to death.” Near Halifax we pick up Martin — Griffin’s hulking, 21st, shaven-headed bodyguard who bench-presses 500lb (227kg) but assures me that he is a “nice pussycat really”. Martin drives us to an evening meeting in Ripon. As we pass through Bradford he points to a mosque which, he claims, has a firing range beneath it. “That’s why we have a car with tinted windows,” Griffin adds. The BNP leader says that he can no longer visit Indian restaurants because “I wouldn’t know what’s in the curry” and within 15 minutes there would be a crowd outside “with iron bars and knives”.

In pockets of Britain the BNP is almost a mainstream party now, with ever more people daring to run for office or to put posters in windows. But it still prints its newspaper in Eastern Europe because British plants refuse to, has trouble renting halls and cannot advertise its meetings because they would be picketed. Potential supporters are instead instructed to gather at “redirection points” and told where to go.

In Ripon the meeting point is the town square, where the local BBC radio station interviews Griffin. Ripon and Harrogate are “lovely English towns and we believe they should stay that way. They can’t if there are high levels of immigration,” he says. On our way to the meeting we pass a painting of a black inmate outside the Workhouse Museum. Griffin splutters. It was poor whites who suffered in workhouses, he says.

About 70 people are packed into a back room of the Golden Lion pub, with not a skinhead or pair of Doc Martens in sight and more tweeds than T-shirts. They are male and female, young and old, working class and middle class, ex-Labour and ex-Tory, several of them Daily Telegraph readers. They are mostly solid Yorkshire folk who have watched immigrants transform areas in which they grew up and believe — rightly or wrongly — that their way of life is under threat. They are bewildered more than hate-filled. They are fearful more than fear-inspiring, and feel gagged by political correctness. They do not come from sink estates. They are stakeholders, people with something to lose. “We’re being overwhelmed,” laments a retired Latin teacher. “I’ve nothing against other races. It’s just that they keep flooding into the country to breaking point,” says a lorry driver. “We can’t invite the whole world to live in England,” says a former merchant marine officer. Few will give their names.

Griffin and his fellow speakers do nothing to calm their fears. Quite the opposite. In a promotional video he decries the alleged banning of the cross of St George, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and even Piglet because the character offends Muslims. Against a background of soft music and beautiful scenery, a woman’s voice decries the millions of foreigners of all races settling in Britain: “The one thing they have in common is there are too many of them.”

Michelle Shrubb, a candidate who lived in South Africa, says that a black crimewave is coming to Britain. Nick Cass, the BNP’s Yorkshire organiser, declares that “decent British people are fed up to the back teeth with seeing the country fall apart and being called racist when they want to do something about it”. The merchandise table offers “It’s Cool to be White” T-shirts and “I vote BNP because they look after me” bumper stickers. BNP candidates are presented with rosettes for daring to stand up and be counted. Griffin humorously coaxes about £500 in donations from the audience, then answers questions for an hour. He puts on no airs and graces. He has a pint on the table beside him. He presents himself as an ordinary bloke, like his audience, who is fighting a corrupt elite that bleeds taxpayers for its disastrous social engineering projects and treats them with contempt.

He is a shameless populist. He calls the rise of the BNP “a peasants’ revolt”. He talks of “our people”, meaning whites. He mocks those who regard criminals as victims, advocates “damn good thrashings” for wayward teenagers, and says of drug-dealers: “Hang the bastards.”

The audience loves it, but this is more than knockabout political rhetoric. Griffin firmly believes all this. Party policy — which he sets — is draconian and xenophobic. The BNP would deport all illegal immigrants, asylum-seekers and subversive foreigners, and offer existing immigrants money to return home. “It’s clearly worth talking in terms of six-figure sums to persuade families to go,” Griffin says.

He would create civilian anti-crime patrols. Anyone who has done National Service would be allowed to keep guns to shoot burglars, and as “a last resort against a tyrannical government”. He would restore hanging for the worst murderers, paedophiles, rapists and drug-dealers, and bring back the birch.

He would abolish affirmative action programmes and hate-crime legislation, ban the promotion of homosexuality, prevent the NHS from recruiting foreign workers and stop women soldiers serving on the front line. State schools would restore mandatory (nonhalal) lunches and morning assemblies with Christian worship (minorities should “either accept our ways or go somewhere else”). A BNP government would take Britain out of the EU and the European Convention on Human Rights.

Remove the BNP label, Griffin claims, and most Brits would support these policies.

The next day we go to Dewsbury (“It’s like living in Rorke’s Drift,” says a local BNP councillor), where The Dewsbury Reporter refuses to interview Griffin. Some people greet him on the street but no one heckles. “The English are very polite. If they don’t like you they walk away,” he says.

From a studio in Leeds he does a phone-in show for BBC Radio Wales, on which successive callers denounce him as a racist and fascist and he snarls back (“the usual Searchlight ambush”, he says later, referring to an antifascist group). We visit Heckmondwike, where David Exley, a soft-spoken and rather impressive BNP Councillor, has persuaded Kirklees council to restore a run-down park (wards that vote BNP find shocked councils suddenly chucking money at them).

We then visit an old factory near Leeds that houses the BNP’s recording studio, Great White Records. Griffin has written the lyrics for its first in-house album, The West Wind. One song begins: “I wandered through my native land/ And stood aghast at what I saw/ As she wept under foreign hands/ No justice, truth or rule of law.”

I suggest that Griffin’s one good eye sees only the worst aspects of Britain. “It’s already a divided, sad, overtaxed, fearful place,” he replies. “And it’s going to be too unpleasant to put into words.”

Between umpteen calls on his mobile phone — one is about ways to use Simone Clarke, the ballet dancer identified as a BNP member — I ask if Griffin sees any advantages to multiculturalism. Chicken tikka masala, he replies. And some good sportsmen, though he thinks that England’s all-white 1966 World Cup footballers outperformed today’s team because they had “common values and identity”.

Then he lists the downsides — a catastrophic loss of social cohesion, racial harassment and violence, spreading knife and gun cultures and old folk dying in nursing homes surrounded by staff who do not speak their language and feeling “totally alone, alienated and in a foreign place”.

He warms to the theme, claiming that some Muslims deliberately use heroin — “Paki poison” — to undermine nonMuslim communities around them. “It’s narco-terrorism.” Even worse, he says, is the way that hardline Muslim males deliberately seduce and corrupt “thousands” of young white girls in a practice called “grooming” that the authorities downplay for fear of being labelled racist.

But surely the vast majority of Muslims in this country are good, law-abiding citizens? Griffin disagrees: “The vast majority are entirely decent Muslims, but the better Muslims they are, the less good they are as British citizens.” The Koran orders them to obey the word of God, he says, not infidel governments: “Democracy and Islam are absolutely incompatible.” A Gallup poll this week suggested that 81 per cent of London-Muslims were “loyal to Britain” compared with just 45 per cent of nonMuslims.

In public Griffin appears personable and plausible. Talking in his car, he verges on the paranoid. Many British Muslims subscribe to a form of Islam that preaches a “ruthless, aggressive imperialism”, he says. Its goal is a world-wide caliphate. “It’s a takeover attempt,” he says, and it will end — literally — in civil war. Wherever an Islamic population establishes itself “you get all sorts of bloodshed and horrors and there’s no reason to think that this little part of the world will buck the trends of world history”.

I ask, mischievously, if Griffin can see himself as Prime Minister. It’s possible, he replies, though he says that he and Jackie have agreed that they don’t want to live in London. He then spells out how: the US economy collapses, decades of Western economic growth come to “a grinding, shuddering halt” and the people turn on the liberal elite. The only question, he says, is what will replace it — a “nativist backlash” or Islam. If the crash comes later than 2030 or 2040 “the likely winners will be the Islamists purely because of demographics”.

The 60 people at that night’s BNP meeting in a Batley pub are not thinking in such apocalyptic terms. They have more immediate and prosaic fears about the consequences of immigration — their children being squeezed out of jobs and council housing, the emergence of no-go areas, the undermining of their rights and culture.

“We’re frightened to be British,” says Ann Nailor, who runs five Age Concern shops. “I feel alienated in my own community,” says Neil Feeney, a water company employee. “People who read your paper have no idea about places like this,” said Marjorie Shaw, a former policewoman now in a wheelchair. “The BNP are the only ones standing up for this country,” adds Lynn Winfield, a pub dishwasher. Griffin fans the flames. He calls the English “one of the most oppressed peoples on earth”. He says that when people like him try to speak out about real problems “they try to throw them in jail”. He says that bad laws should be broken. He calls global warming “an excuse to say that we, the international elite, have to interfere with every sovereign state in the world, and if we don’t you will sink by Thursday”.

When I take my leave, Griffin asks what I will write. That he is both the BNP’s greatest asset and its greatest liability, I reply. He does not protest. He recalls something that he said earlier: “I perhaps have too much baggage that won’t be allowed to stay in the lost baggage office. I can take the BNP to a certain level, but to make the final push someone else may have to take over . . . I can go back to Wales and keep pigs. Tremendous.”

well! so you all read about the BNP and know their policies are the only policies that make sense,so then support and vote!

paul, cardiff, uk

People of England its now your turn to stand up and be counted
This is going to be our one and only chance left to get it right,turn our backs on Nick Griffin and the BNP this time and you can start digging your own graves, Then our so called goverment will know what a spinless population we are

John Waite, Hastings, Great Britian

Can you blame people for feeling this way? How many of us feel uneasy at an ATM when groups of immirants are staring at us? In British culture we are taught to mind our own business,not to stare etc.People from other cultures just do not seem to know how to conduct themselves here.We feel threatened.

Terry, Gillingham, England

times are a changing now is the time for english men and women to stand up and be counted.

billy, hayward heath, england

Im convinced....Its time to join the BNP.

MARK, east london, uk

Nick Griffin (Englishman living in WALES) now who is the immigrant Nick?

Mr Edwards, Swansea, WALES

If we want to be free its the BNP

dianne, luton , beds

With the destruction of our culture, heritage, and history, by the self loathing political left along with the appeasement of criminals and the feckless we need someone to stand up for what it means to be british, we need a return to discipline, respect, and personal responsibility. no to pc idiocy

clair, salford, england

If I were in the UK, I would belong to BNP. Look what happened in Zimbabwe, the bread basket of Africa while it was ruled by whites, and it collapsed when the blacks took over. They committed genocide which the world conveniently ignored, they murdered and chased out the white farmers.

Jane, Bulawayo, Zimbabwe

In times of recession the nationalistic parties always prosper. Some commenters are saying the BNP are Britain's last hope. I am sure that in 1932 a lot of Germans felt the same about the National Socialist German Worker's Party. I hope the voters are aware of the results that followed that election

Andrej, Ljubljana, Slovenia

Here is a timeless (edited) gem from Winston Churchill, in the 1945 Conservative Party Manifesto:

"Ours is a great nation.... It has its roots in the character, the
ability, and the independence of our people and the magic of this wonderful island. British virtues have been developed under the free institutions which our fathers and forefathers struggled through the centuries to win and to keep. We of this generation are trustees for posterity, and the duty lies upon us to hand down to our children unimpaired the unique heritage that was bequeathed to us."

Ron, Cape Town, South Africa

Lets face it, the world is full of people who think they are born better than others, then do nothing to make society better, just fill it with hate and fear. These people often have a criminal past, and would happily hurt their spouse and family, never mind someone of different race.

Alan Jones, Harrogate, UK

life is valuable, one man should not be inticed to act on actions of another. the BNP is a reaction to immigration, where their policies might seem universally true now, in the future they may destroy us, look at Hitler and communism

Ahmet Hussein, london,

I dont want to be multi cultarul.I am British as my ancestors before me...I wont be voting as in my area mylocal politician is asian and I do not want to be represented by anyone who is not British. How do we get Britain back to the country to be proud of. lets be GREAT BRITAIN,

pam, leeds, Britain

You have got my vote Nick....

CHRISTOR, YORK, ENGLAND

Mr Griffin and the BNP are Britain's last hope.

David, Nottingham, Notts

I come from a typical working class, dismally multi-cultural area. I certainly agree that the BNP should be allowed a say in politics. I would vote for them, and probably join if things got that bad - and I fear they will.

John (West Bromwich)

John, West Bromwich, England

George Duberry was my grandad, he died 6 months ago and I have just read his response to the said article and I am proud he took on board my fears and it is true to say that over the last few years I ave changed my view on this subject. I am a white girl living with her long term partner in a village in Derbyshire - probably shielded from problems in urban areas however it is true I myself have gone from alive and let live attitude to one resentment and a wonder of what the world is coming to. I endorse everything my grandad said and would even go further as to say that many of my friend's too have changed their attitudes as to one of Great Britain was is that??!!
Interestingly I know of a number of teenagers in surrounding areas who have taken great offence to the polish in our area who have caused such terrible problems for local businessmen and locals alike. Resentment is growing and I think that trouble is instore. Perhaps and I've heard it said vigilanties are afoot!!

B. Knowles, Matlock, Derbyshire

It is strange that those who say the BNP should not be allowed their say because of their supposed intolerance feel that they can make these statements. Are they not being intolerant?

Stuart, Glasgow,

Good isn't it .. sitting here, all cosy and warm, expressing our opinions re the BNP and national issues. With this comment it will be a total of 366 comments. 366 people who sit and write here. Would it not be a better idea to all get together and lobby someone about it. We are good at sitting back and moaning in places like this or to someone else and doing nothing about it. Perhaps that's part of the reason Britain is becoming overcome with immigrants. Yeah vote BNP, let someone else do it for us, how good we are at that!!!!

The BNP may perhaps achieve one thing for us, a strenthening of our other parties, they may JUST make them sit up and listen. I think you all know what I am talking about.

Sue, Sheffield, Yorks

I left the UK because of the mass immigration and the problems it has caused. It will also get a hell of a lot worse.
My wife is a Malawian (coloured), so am i a racist for saying this.
The BNP are the only party who tell the truth.

Phil Mcracking, Zomba, Malawi

Im a sikh and I'm voting BNP!

David Singh, Slough, England

Keep up the good work Nick! England is now full up, it seems that all you liberals in influential job positions have totally mucked up this couuntry (because of the im alright Jack mentality,not in my backyard ) England is sleepwalking into a disaster they even build new council houses in Newcastle just for Muslim families with 4-5 bedrooms the reason being they like to have large families - any body ever wondered why oh why? Any you lot even read the BNP manifesto before you start shouting your big lefty mouths off?

Jane,, Sussex,

i am a british sikh who was born here and my uncle fought 4 this country..if nick griffin were to be mp would he send home sikhs..or what about asians who are christians? we havnt done anything wrong!

priya, london, middlesex

darryn, do you care much about the native Maori population of New Zealand which has been hugely marginalised by an uninvited influx of Brits? Or is that ok?


......elitist ideology that nick griffin speaks of, is not simply that there are groups of newcomers who look a wee bit different, rather, it is the destruction of the native culture to make way for the incoming foreign culture and the ethnocide of the native population by way of race-mixing, which will result in the loss of the native ethnic and national identity. clearly martin fletcher cares nothing for his own ethnic identity and culture, but that does not mean he has the right to deny others the right to care, and fight for a future for their own civilization in their own land. if the english don't stand up for themselfs that future will not exist.

darryn, dunedin, new zealand

pico, London,

...what I meant is...if you feel british culture is under attack, think about what british culture is to you and take part in it. Cultures change but only get lost, when noone participates anymore. Britain is changing and I am nostalgic for the Britain of my childhood, but not because of other cultures sharing the country, more because it seemed like a safer, more family orientated place back then, with common sense values. I always relished meeting people who had moved to Britain from other exotic places, or 2nd/3rd generation immigrants, and found them mostly to be an enrichment to my life and the culture. In contrast, the most criminal people I ever met in England were all english white middle class males (serial benefit fraud, drug dealing, theft, etc.). When I hear that the BNP is gaining ground it saddens me, as it indicates even more loss of traditional British values. The BNP are bigots and that to me is the exact opposite of everything I ever loved about Britain

Nerina Wilter, munich, germany

I am really surprised at the number of people who think the BNP is 'spot on'. In the article above Nick Griffin has expressed homophobea and presumably would ban homosexuality like Robert Mugabe has. He is xenophobic. He would bring back hanging and take us back half a century. He would re-introduce birching. He would [presumably] ban mixed marriages judging by his comments on miscegenation. He would take away all the freedoms we have fought for in the last hundred years.

The reason why many of us are against the BNP is not because we want unlimited immigration; it's because they are extremists. The article above clearly shows this. Britain quite clearly benefits from immigration of people who have something to offer, like the engineer who comes over to work for this country and we didn't have to pay for his training. What is bad is immigration of unskillful people who come here to go on the dole.

Chuck, Bristol, UK

The whole argument about "eroding Britishness" is a crock. I am British everyday. I drink many cups of tea a day, have my Sunday Dinner each week and drive a Rover Mini. I will celebrate Christmas in true traditional style. I don't feel that I have to conceal my Britishness or scale it back to get on with my (very nice) muslim neighbours (or colleaues from other cultures)! I also do not feel anyone has a plot to take over the work via re-production (my neighbours have never offered me Heroin either). I do find it rather interesting that many of those adopting a "Pro-BNP, preserve our British Culture" stance are actually unable to construct their comments using correct English grammar and spelling Maybe indiginous Brits should make more of an active effort to ignore the nonsense and demonstrate their Britishness with more vigour, instead of worrying about what others may say. This would achieve more than placing a cross in a questionable box on a ballot paper.

Leigh, Birmingham, UK

Griffin's fears don't sound like "paranoia" to me. From reading articles here and from other news agencies, I'd say the BNP is the only one making any sense and who has the backbone to stand up to the politically correct crowd. Hell, clone him and send a copy to the States. We could use him to!

Dave, Phonenix, AZ , USA

the most important addition to the ballot paper would be "none of the above".

jem, london, uk

BNP voters beware. Terry Palmer was quite right to compare the situation with Germany in the twenties before the Nazis were voted in. I too feel sad that Britain has lost a lot of it’s identity over the last 40 years. But if you vote BNP you are not thinking of where they will take their power. The BNP are using common sense arguments to win people who would never normally call themselves racist.
This should be a warning to con/lab/lib. The warm hearted english are being pushed to the end of their tether and are turning Nazi. Offer a valid alternative to these people who want to uphold Britains britishness and common sense values and are feeling alienated in their own country. Political Correctness seems to work for everyones rights except the indigenous Briton. But PLEASE - the BNP is not the answer. Start a new party. Lobby parliament. Decide what it is you want that you feel has been lost, but don’t give Nazis the vote!

Nerina Wilter, munich, germany

I accept Shankar's point about the dubious use of the term 'paki poison' for the selling of heroin (basically as a weapon). But I assume that the same islamists groups who detonate bombs on busses would have no hesitation is using it that way - it must generate much cash for their jihad. The terminology may be grating, but the point Griffin was making was probably correct.

It will be interesting to see how the mainstream parties respond to the BNP vote threat though - I assume it will be with platitudes and promises, as they will not want to alienate the crucial muslim vote in key labour seats like jack straw's blackburn, or bradford, oldham, etc.?

I believe both of the above points to be true, and that lab/con will deny them or ignore them (and other of griffen's gripes), and in doing so will drive more voters to the BNP.

paul, sheffield, england

Historically, the far-right parties have usually thrived during periods of Labour governments because of Labour's recklessness with immigration matters. That is what we're seeing now. The Tory party usually then assumes some of their [BNP and NF] policies, without the labels, win an election, and the far-right parties experience decline.

Mr Griffin has some points which are exaggerated to absurdity. Some further refinement would be required before they can win power, but by that time they will be indistinguishable from the Conservative Party and therefore redundant.

Chuck, Bristol, UK

Goodluck with that David from Hemel Hempstead! because there are other countries int he world that only have british people eh? great logic!

Kiran, London,

The Labour party has made British people feel like second class citizens who have no voice, politician can afford to up and leave the country once they've destroyed it.
I've started donating a small amount of money to migration watch each month, I'm hoping that they will put pressure on the government to consider how frightened many Britons feel when they see the rampant changes in their communities. Everyone has a different viewpoint based on their surroundings and life experiences, some wear rose colored spectacles - I don't.

VeeJay, London,

"I am a legal immigrant; a white-collar tax payer. Also, I am not Muslim, Indian, Pakistani or Black. I am ethnically Chinese and I am a Christian.

Can I stay?

Chee, Coventry"

Well, i'd like you to stay...but, what if a small percentage of your 1.3 billion brothers and sisters back home followed you over here? You'd most likely breed us out of existence. There are already thousands of unemployed east asians selling illigal copies of pirated dvd films on the streets/markets of London.

J Rotten, brixton, uk

"Delinquents"? If I wrote down what these "delinquents" do to their victims it probably would not get printed. This kind of self-righteous sanctimony about condign punishment simply endangers people.

Kevin, London,

Ben, York

You preach the politics of white middle class guilt that saddles this country with political correctness and shackles its decision makers from making tough but fair decisions.

Controlled immigration is essential for this country. Controlled being the optimum word.

An open door policy because the middle class have guilt issues over a previous empire will destroy the country and is quickly doing so. Forget the millions in economic aid we poor into former countries, just open the door.

We need to wake up before it's too late.

Salty, Reading,

The fact is politicians are not listening to what English people are saying, that is, we have had enough. Our tolerance is gone because there are too many immigrants. Its tipped over and something really needs to be done, otherwise people will feel there is no where to go apart from the BNP.

Torchy, Romford,

After reading the comments so far I would only like to say this: I hope all of those who have expressed your open support for Mr Griffin's party policies, have the decency to NEVER AGAIN take the moral high ground against Germany. Your comments exactly mirror the feeling pervading the German people in 1932 before Hitler came to power. After your years of feeling morally superior against countries like Germany and South Africa you are now showing that actually, if you were there, you would have done the same!

anglophile, London,

I voted Labour and they've got out of their way to destroy my countries culture.
BNP get my vote

Phill, Caldy, England

European arrogance will never cease to amaze me. However, the problem is minorities (2nd generation and all) are less likely to go back anywhere, so beside the populist rants what do you pride pure blood Britons (whatever that means) propose....the ovens?? sure.......it worked so well the last time...

Clay , New york , NY

A succession of inept governments are more responsible for the rise and rise of the BNP than any other factor . They will reap the rewards before they see the error of their ways .

Benzo, Nr Chelmsford,

All people that agree with Nick Griffin are very narrow minded people. I like the way all british people have got the a..s now that the UK is multicultural. whilst i agree with the comments by NG regarding Islam, it doesnt mean that all cultures(aside from British) are like that.

I think most people are ignorant agreeing with his comments, as some of you need to read up on history, on how the British wanted to take over certain countries and they did succeed in doing so. India was one of those country's and the Indians were treated like slaves in their own country!

A quote i strongly believe in 'WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND'!

perhaps you people should blame this country's government...and the Scots that are running it!!!

Kiran, London,

"Nobody who honestly supports the BNP has, in my opinion, the right to call themselves human."

This is a classic technique of totalitarianism. First dehumanise those who disagree with you. Having established to your own satisfaction that they are in fact inhuman, there need be no restraint in eliminating them. This is psychologically paradigmatic of the proponents of immigration, and shows, sadly, how their sheer bigoted ruthlessness has so far prevailed despite their weak arguments and low numbers.

S.G., London,

Stamp out intolerance.

Kidd Garrett, Bristol, UK

I might vote for these guys, Britain needs to be back in the hands of the British, like it or not, 'multiculturalism' damages our identity as a people. Now I am not preaching hatred or intolerace to any race or nationality, I just think that we should look after our own people before concerning ourselves with the needs of others.

Rob, Wallasey,

Where else exactly should people turn to at least START to put this country back together again?

Too hot a potato for the other political parties, who are so scared of being labelled racist for even daring to suggest unlimited, unregulated immigration might not be in the best interests of the nation.

Me, I'm actively looking for somewhere better to live than so-called 'multicultural' Britain

David, Hemel Hempstead, UK

I am a legal immigrant; a white-collar tax payer. Also, I am not Muslim, Indian, Pakistani or Black. I am ethnically Chinese and I am a Christian.

Can I stay?

Chee, Coventry,

I want MY country back. The end justify the means. If it means a shooting war then give me the tools.

mike mines, london,

I agree 100% with MR.Griffin,and I wish we have him in Canada.He is just simply says : (1) Please WAKE UP and stop Muslem immigrants to protect your country and its vaues .(2) What is it more important : To protect your country and its values OR: To be accused of racism .
Any country MUST GAIN from other cultures and MUST NOT loose . UK IS LOOSING and it is a fact.
Mr. Griffin Read the history,the others do not , nd if the others read the history ,they do not have the guts to announce it .

Z.B., Montreal, Canada

The problem is the main parties are not alloweed to debat imagrants becuse they fear being called racist. If they stoped worry about it and spoke commen sense and stop trying to force on the British people there ideas of what the ethnic minorities want but insteead listened to what they wanted IE to live like us not to be singled out because of their religion and colour by the goverment. Yes the goverment. They cause the biggest problem then the BNP would not have such a big following and support. I suggest everyone votes for a different party this time aroudn but not the big 3 then maybe the big 3 will listen and get on with it. I will not vote for the BNP though i do agree with some there views. People vote for monster raving loney party any one but the big 3 and BNP.

Lawrence Scott, Norwich, Norfolk

A policy of repatriating all illegal immigrants is perfectly reasonable and logical - anything else allows illegality to prevail. As for offering legal immigrants payments in order to build new lives in their countries of origin, such a scheme has existed for a number of years but is little publicised. It is therefore an overreaction, at least, to characterise such policies as "draconian and xenophobic". The article also suggests that some of Griffin's fears verge on the paranoid. Yet it seems to very many people, at every level of society, that immigration is now so dangerously out of control that the future is chaotic and uncertain and, while inherently unpredicatable, it is now impossible and indeed unwise to rule out the prospect of catastrophic developments which once seemed vanishingly remote. It is thus wrong to confuse this perfectly realistic sense of foreboding with paranoia.

S.G., London,

"Nick Griffin -- a convicted racist who favours birching delinquent teenagers and paying immigrants to leave"

Paying me? hummm....okay then, how much ? CI:-D>

I might vote fo BNP, now they're talking business. (kidding)

From radicals to racists, everyone gets their say on the Timesonline. It's the worlds best paper. Comments are even published from every ethnicity/country.

Mohammed, London, UK

I dont agree with every thing he said I do agree that we are
now a minority as regards our rights thankyou for showing
them in an unbiased way that is true journalism

Mark Wiltshire England

Mark Deville, Chippenham, England

Well done to The Times for allowing a leader from one of the less rich, smaller political parties of the United Kingdom to have his say!

I actually do not agree with four or five of the British National Party's policies and I will not be voting for them at the next general election.

However, the British National Party are a non-violent, perfectly legal political party and should be allowed to voice their opinions just like Labour, the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats are all allowed to.

John Curd, Southport, England

my parents are english and moved to Gibraltar about 25 years ago because of high taxes etc. im one for live and let live, but it gets to the point when you go back to uk to see ur family and no one speaks english.... i mean whats with that.

those who come to uk to live, if they have a skill thats needed i say come on in, get a job have a family. it those who end up living off the system that should be kicked out. also its the ones who start um-ing and r-ing about how they want their own culture. well why come to england if you want ur own culture go back to where you came from.
if you come to england to live you give up your other nationality and become british, you learn english and up hold english culture thats what i say ..simple.
war.... this county the world infact is so hung up on what is happening outside its own borders its lost sight of whats happening within them. who cares whats happening on the other side of the planet. deal with internal issues first.

Chris, Gibraltar,

The BNP have my vote!

lab/lib/con only have them selfs to blame!

tom , london, england

I take the anti immigration/ multi-cultural comments made here with a 'pinch of salt', becuse so many white Britons from all social classes have chosen to be with non-European partners. The U.K has the highest number of mixed-race relationships in the West. And such relationships are steadily increasing.

Jacob, London, U.K

i value much of what you have to say, but i can't agree on the Jewish issue. I my opinion, studies, and experiences, the Jewish population in all countries has always brought progress and good citizentry. They follow the rules, work hard, not on the public dole and don't cause trouble. I want to see a reemergence of a judeo-christian ethic that supercedes the islamic invasion.

anna chrisoff, toronto, canada

i agree with everything you say and want to know more about what i can do to help

amanda kelly, liverpool merseyside, united kingdom

You people are seeing the results of allowing too,too many migrants to come here plus denying those illegals here even existed.

All migrants have one aim in mind and that is to improve their lot in life and that of their families.With that aim in mind they do not care one jot about the rights of the people here as can be seen by the over balanced numbers who have entered politics courtesy of the welfare and free education system nurtured for us by our own ancestors.

We must do the same and ensure our schools and colleges are for us and our children and not some group of people from around the world.

The appalling attitudes that have crept in here are indicative of the communistic enforcement laws so beloved these last ten years.

Little wonder that our people are leaving when they are overtaxed and over burdened by laws and discrimination in favour of foreigners.

Taking control of us and our country is the first on the list.

Nothing else matters until then.

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Sorry, did you not really read my points? What goes around comes around. No Danes have died from being protested at. The last two posts make about as much sense as eachother ;-)

Ben, York,

Ben
Denmark not really suffering? Where have you been? What about the Mohammed Cartoons? I only wish that all pro-immigrationists were as uninformed as you. Immigrants from countries such as Somalia, Iran, Iraq and Lebanon are causing huge problems in Denmark, prompting the Danes (quite rightly) to introduce some of the strictest immigration rules in Europe. But my case is made. The real reason many people defend mass immigration into Northern Europe isn't because they think it's beneficial to the ‘host’ nations. It's because they think the 'host' deserves to be punished for whatever reason.

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Holland - colonising the West Indies and Indonesia.
Germany - World Wars, colonies in Africa, partitions of Poland.
Denmark - not really suffering, but where were the Vikings that pillaged England, Ireland etc from.

Wat goes around, comes around.

Ben, York,

Ben’s arguments are so typical of those spouted by the multiculturalists. Once their first argument which espouses the utterly bogus benefits of mass, uncontrolled, third world immigration have been totally discredited they resort to argument B. That is that somehow the West ‘deserves’ mass, uncontrolled, third world immigration as a ‘punishment’ for slavery, imperialism, being rich and successful etc. Well Ben, what about Denmark, Holland and Germany? They are suffering from mass immigration. What did they do to deserve it?

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No political party has the 100% agreement of the electorate on all its policies and the BNP is no exception. To squeeze a political party out of the media because of some of its policies is plainly wrong. The extreme left have no such gag. They are allowed to spout their appeasement based agenda ad nauseum with no fear of a media backlash because the anti-racist bull is broadly in line with their politics.
I am not a racist - I am a patriot. The BNP are far from perfect but they are the only patriotic party on the political agenda.

Tim Keating, Slough, England

We owe the people from the old colonies. How would you feel if, say, China invaded us, took our raw materials, imposed their way of life on us, took some of our population back as slaves - and then kicked out their grandchildren after eventually letting us free? I am only glad the local election showed the BNP supporters to be a small, if vocal, minority.

Ben, York,

Helen, Stirling... I understand you are a little bit away from the pointed end of the 'multi-culti experiment' foisted on the good British peoples by a succession of Lab Con governments over the last 50 years. However look at a snap-shot of the inner city slums of England, go to third 'asian' hell-hole of Pollockshaws, a little closer to you, in Glasgow. I and the BNP do not blame the disparate ihhabitants of those poor areas. The blame must be laid squarley on insane immigration policies... What you and people like 'Ben' have GOT to realise is that creating such ghettos in OUR small country is NOT doing those poor people from all corners of the planet a favour. If, and I believe you WOULD want to help poorer people, the last thing to do is transplant them into an alien mish-mash in the middle of Britain. Not good for THEM and not good for US. END OF STORY!

Scot, Edinburgh, UK

Ben,try and get real,you keep posting about America wanting the poor and huddled masses,but this was when USA was an empty continent,but rest assured Nu-Lab are on board and are going to try and put the worlds poor and huddled masses into this tiny island all with a house and income,but reality is that all these houses being built are sitting on a time bomb whereby the water supply,gas,electric,wont meet the demand.there will be literally nowhere left to bury the rubbish,etc.I am liberal and compassionate for humanity, but these policies will be the end of a liberal democracy and a disaster for all,I fail to see how this agenda can be more extreme, in comparison the bnp manifesto is moderation verses extremism,it is the fascist left driving these policies who have been completly wrong on evry isseu they have touched,

sidney, ashford,

People like the BNP who display such hostile attitudes towards other fellow humans make me ashamed to be British.

Helen, Stirling, Scotland

Nobody who honestly supports the BNP has, in my opinion, the right to call themselves human. It is the oxygen of publicity that keeps them alive. They prey on very basic fears and instincts, understandable but exaggerated. This can only lead to a fascist state, where like Hitler or a Dalek (fictional but a metaphor for fascists) anything different is wiped out. Welcome to Griffin's Final Solution - if you vote for him.

Ben, York,

I will continue to vote bnp as it is a party for the British People, and they speak out for the British, I am so not happy with all this political correctness, which is always in favour of the ethnic minorities, well, I feel like a minority in England. You have my vote BNP and thousands more like me...keep up the good work.

Dianne Catley , luton, england

nick griffin has a point ,,keep up the good work ,your a true Englishman.

chris, weollingborough, n/hants

You seriously trust the BNP and Griffin's hollow words? They will kick out every Muslim and millions of others if elected. Of course a minority (20%? 30%?) of Muslims are dangerous or frightening. But not everybody foreign is. We owe something to Pakistan, Africa, the Caribbean islands and all the other people we have subjugated in history. I will repeat something I posted earlier, but it proves my point: see the economic power of the USA, and immigrant nation, and remember the poem on the Statue of LIberty "Give me your tired, your poor/ Your huddled masses yearning to breath free".

Ben, York,

Well done to the Times, I applaud you for being so brave as to write this article. I am myself a Conservative voter and have always been so. This time I intend to destroy my vote, I feel that not one of the political parties is worth a vote and unfortunately we do not have the BNP in my area. I do not trust the voting system which is why I will go to the polling station to destroy my paper.
So all of you out there who do have the BNP in your area you are very lucky, don't let this chance slip away. This country cannot go on the way it is, tax, crime, war, this is your chance to help start the process to stop these terrible things from happening but most of all pave the first steps towards saying goodbye to the EU (the thorn in our side).

Peggy, buckinghamshire,

Most people are now openly suggesting that the BNP are the only party that is bothered about the British indigenous way of life. In 1926 the Nazi's could only muster around 3% of the German vote, ten years later they had over 95% of the German people with them, why? Because they promised to give the German people their country back which was being erroded, wrongly or rightly by an immigrant race.

Terry Palmer, Barnsley., England.

As an inter-racial couple (my wife is Chinese) we have everything to fear from the BNP. However, having experienced the true meaning of Islam first hand, we are a million times more fearful of the Islamic takover of this country than we are of the BNP. For this reason we have voted BNP at every opportunity for the last five years.

Oh, and by the way, the BNP will not send my wife back to China. We have checked. The only thing the BNP will do to my wife is give her back the country she fell in love with all those years ago.

David Cooke, Warwickshire, England

The British National Party will indeed gain power in the not too distant future. I believe this totally. Without it, Britain will rot beyond repair and all that we take for granted such as freedom, culture and a country for our children to inherit will expire. I back the BNP without reservations, it is THE Party for our future. Once my fellow countrymen no longer have their 'ivory towers' to hide away in, the party will sweep through this country like a great brush and we will ask ourselves how we got into this mess with disbelief. Look beyond your noses my British family, try to think what may come of our great land if we allow it to continue. Act now, our time is running out!

DEBORAH NORTH, Cambridge, Great Britian

I am a Christian with serious concerns about Multiculturalism. Multiculturalism has become the driving force of British life, ruthlessly policed by a state-financed army of local and national bureaucrats enforcing a doctrine of state-minded virtue to promote racial, ethnic and cultural difference and stamp out majority values. British nationhood is being disembowelled by mass immigration, multiculturalism and the onslaught mounted by secular nihilists against the country's Christian values.

Consequently, we can no longer afford to be the naïve, decadent, muddling-along, apologetic old British establishment. The indigenous population of our great country are at crisis point. Britain is currently locked into such a spiral of decadence, self-loathing and sentimentality that it is incapable of seeing that it is setting itself up for cultural immolation.

Long Live the British National Party!!!

Vincent McKenzie, Conwy, Wales

Elizabeth, I come from South Africa which has third world slums, for many years I lived on the edge of one and let me tell you there are parts of Britain today which look the same! Dirving through Stratford, London is like driving through a ghetto in South Africa called Umtata - it looks the same! And don't for one minute tell me that living in fear of your life everyday is fun!!! Its not! And remember the immigrand population is still quite small - imagine what it is going to be like when it is twice its current rate!? The probelm is people like you don't do any maths and therefore because the situation isnt utterly dire right now - in your eyes that means its not happening.

Hilton, Wimbledon, UK

How refreshing to read an article about the BNP which has not been polluted by the usual claptrap. I've looked, but can't find much in their manifesto that I disagree with. The people who complain about the BNP need to remember that we live in a democracy, which means I get to choose who I vote for - not them.

Robert, Boston, England

Nick Griffin.

You Sir are spot on.

You have my vote

kevin, Swansea, Wales

I really do believe the whole issue of excessive immigration is being swept under the carpet by the main parties - and voters think it is Tony Blairs biggest failure. So do I. If only there were a BNP candidate in my area. I am NOT racist and do enjoy other cultures, but there should be far fewer in my own country.

Patrick, Hedge End, UK

I was born in London in 1937.I lived in London until I was called up for military service inj 1955.I had NEVER seen a black or asian person until I was called up and I lived in West london.How the scene has changed

robert cherrie, London E14, United Kingdom

i was born in london and was a white flight family of the 1970s,i want to return to my capital city,when the english get it back,as i cant believe the english have a capital with no english in it,as for the labour and the torys,they are in a big club getting all the perks,and using the voters when thye need them.They have destroyed this country,and are trying to destroy the english peolpe by wave after wave of immigration,till there is no england anymore.

paul, southend,

Ben, Market day is Friday in my town and as we have a very good market, parking is at a premium, sometimes requiring leaving one's car some distance away, or walking from the bus station--surely a perfectly legitimate activity! It should be possible to walk in any part of my home town on any afternoon, without being subject to abuse.
Yes I have seen football crowds, but never had the same reaction.
No, I am neither xenophobic nor racist, just saddened that parts of my town are turning into ghettoes.

Jean, radcliffe, Manchester, UK

I live in one of those so called 'sink' estates that nick griffin was mentioning in the interview,and i have to say everything he said was correct!

steven horn, watford,

"YOU and your ilk are the reason that this country is in the mess it is (many areas of our inner cities looking like third world slums (don't suppose you happen to live in one)."

I live in an inner city area and Maria I don't think you've ever been to a third world slum. In fact I've never heard as much nonsense about this first world country, which is a bloody joy to live in as is evident in these comments. I live in a high crime area but I've never experienced any problems, that means that even our high crime areas aren't as dangerous as in other parts of the world. Nick Griffin whips up fear of people because they look different, he makes out that white middle class people have more problems than everyone else but that's just not true. If you vote for the BNP it's because you're scared, maybe you should deal with your own fear instead of blaming everyone else for it.

Elizabeth, Streatham, UK

Jean, you pick up on the one comment of mine that is merely an observation or even opinion and ignore the facts. Nobody forces you to walk past a mosque at a certain time, and you will get jostling and abuse in any busy place with people on high spirits. Ever been to a football match? Plus, even if you are afraid of Muslims, fair enough. What about every other race?

Ben, York,

I would like to thank the Times for printing this article. I would also like to say : Nick Griffin, thy time is nigh!

James, Harrogate,

As The Times writer seemed to suggest, there is something of the "natural politician" about Nick Griffin. If Griffin was only interested in a safe seat, a good salary and all the perks that go along with it he could no doubt have fitted into one of the establishment parties. That he has chosen not to go down that route - and followed his conscience - puts him head and shoulders above Blair, Cameron and the rest of the Westminster "careerists".

Myles, Glasgow,

To all those that keep stating we are historically muticultural, that may be correct but all those who came over in the past did a number of things, learnt English and contributed to the country through skill sets, not by scrounging, undercutting local wages, denouncing this very country and its democratic system, threatening its religous groups and basically demanding all that they can get. I for one am a convert to the BNP i don't agree with all that Nick Griffin says but i agree with enough they are the only party prepared to say what people think. Well done to this publication for not sticking its head in the sand and ignoring what s happening country wide. The media blackout on the BNP only gives them more voters. Have the BBC and tabloid comics never heard of the Internet. The truth is definitely out there

Richard, coventry, GB whats left of it

Ben of York asks why there are more xenophobic women than men; I had not noticed that there are, but maybe it is because they have been unfortunate enough to be walking alone close to a Mosque at the end of Friday prayers.
The abuse and jostling is enough to make anyone xenophobic--even you Ben

Jean, manchester, UK

good luck nick ...... youve got my vote mate !

jason, HULL, ENGLAND

I despair. This is not what humanity is about. There was a recent poll suggesting 85% of Muslims here are loyal to Britain - double the number of whites. Britain is made up of immigrants. Trace your ancestry back 3000 years. You will be surprised. Also, why are there so many xenophobic women compared to men?

Ben, York,

Whilst being single, self sufficient and with no children, I feel my 'group' of like persons are penalised for being so and taxed to the hilt on absolutely everything with no remission for not being dependant. Also, watching with sadness the way our country and human society has become so fragmented and segregrated (subsequent to the Enoch Powell's warnings), BNP and much of its truth and philosophy seems sensible to me and a way forward and is something, as mentioned in another comment, that no other party is actively or has any inclination to approach or initiate in any way for fear of upsetting anybody. Something's got to give, pussyfooting around the issues does not work and is very dangerous to society. I hope the BNP grows and develops clout to what is currently 'head in the bucket of sand' politics.

J, cornwall,

We cant blame the immigrants for trying to improve their standard of living by coming here. Im a builder ,I was able to work in Germany during the last recession.However ,i didnt ask for a council house when was there, and I learned German to get by .Im deeply concerned by the change in our society,and I see no prospect of a solution coming from the other 3 parties, who ignore the fears people like me.Our only chance is to vote for change, if we dont change ,we,ll have civil war. Im so worried about our future , ive enrolled in Spanish classes , and like thousands of other white taxpayers , im ready to leave at the drop of a hat.

phil jackson, brighton, england

Alice Y... YOU and your ilk are the reason that this country is in the mess it is (many areas of our inner cities looking like third world slums (don't suppose you happen to live in one). Never in the history of the planet has such drastic change been made to the demographic of this Country or indeed ANY country. Yes! the British, and in particular the English, are reknowned for thier tolerance and sense of fair play, BUT this is the feature that will end up with YOU being an Infidel (non-muslim) minority in your own land. Do a little research into how the Kuffars are treated in a swathe of countries world-wide and just hope that at least some of the inhabitants of the 'culturally enriched' areas have seen the light and will vote for the BNP on your behalf. (Not sure if you deserve it), but perhaps if you have grand/children they may live to appreciate in the future that the PC multi-culturalists were out-numbered by a percentage of the populus COULD see the wood for the trees..

Maria, Edinburgh, Scotland

The really worying thing of many of these posts are people blindly saying how awful and nasty it is for other people to tell the truth,how nasty is it going to be when the fascist left are faced with the reality that on current policies will mean millions of houses that will have no water supply,rubbish where there will be literaly no where left to bury it,no road space left,the tipping point reached where this island ceaces to be a nation state, followed by the collapse of democracy and politics, the outcome of these mad policies is plainly evil.

sidney, ashford,

Replying to these comments and report in any meaningful way is impossible, but I'll just say this:

Please please please don't vote BNP. Please.

Peter, Corby, Northants, UK

People like Nick Griffin and the BNP claiming indigenous status in these islands is a joke, I wish we could sen. If there ever was a people of mixed heritage, Britons are it. Intelligent and motivated people have joined these islands every generation over the thousands of years since the last ice age.

Britain's best when we acknowedge how multicultural we are and seek ways together to care for each other and these marvellous islands we share. Being indigenous here deamnds a respect for the gifts all people have to offer. The British heritage to be proud of is our dissent and intolerance of bigotry. Where did British manners come from? Well maybe from a thousand generations of immigrants learning the land and how to get along with each other.

I'm proud to be British - and people like the BNP are disgracefully antisocial. My fondest hope is that the hatred they peddle helps the majority of us make it clear they belong to a past age and their hate speech and bullying are not welcome.

Alice Y., Coventry, UK

I never in a million years thought I would read an article from the BNP and find myself agreeing with what was written. I have been brought up in a very middle class left wing family - i was sent to school in a council estate to broaden my horizons - and i truly believed i was left wing, a real believer in 'the people' i am in no way racist, homophobic, classist yet i am actually finding myself reading a BNP manifesto and taking it seriously. Now if someone like me can read it then what about those less open minded... we are demonised for daring to critizise the fact that we're scared to get off the bus. I have every sympathy for those unfortunate enough to live in the sink estate environments that the government ignores. yet i don't see why i should suffer and feel afraid to walk home when young 'children' folow me wearing hoods.

rosie moss, London,

It’s incongruous that the reporter should report the bile coming out of BNP members in Ripon and at the same time we have Cpl Bryan Budd, also from Ripon- a Yorkshire man and paratrooper, who gave the ultimate sacrifice fighting for Britain and was awarded the VICTORIA CROSS POSTHUMOUSLY. If BNP have their way, his non-white wife and mix race children would be regarded as second class citizens and be expected to “Go home”.

Those people who attended the Ripon meeting should hang their heads in SHAME.

kate, Harrogate,

Reza's story is a terrible indication of what the BNP does. Remember the inscription on the base of the statue of liberty,
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free".
Surely a greater virtue than "Kick them out"?

Ben, York,

If you are a Christian, have a White face are Working class (not able to fleece the immigrants, in fact are in competition with them for work) you would have to be nuts NOT to vote BNP...

Mary, Pollockshaws, Scotland

If the conservatives significantly toughened their stance on immigration there would be no need for the BNP
Why don't they? I havn't got a clue.
They could surely guarantee a win in the next election if they did?

Mark, Peterborough,

I can understand why, people in this country are angry. There is no control over immigration. The hate and the vengeance should not be directed at the 'established' ethnic minorities in this country. They have no say over the politics in this country. It was labour that allowed in millions of eastern europeans in over the last 3 years.
But they can blend in somewhat, cause they are white. But it is the ethnic minorities who are part of Britain who will feel the brunt of this.

Sam , London, UK

Ok its SIMPLE we have two main parties trying to win at the poles both using silly marketing yuppies in London to portray a false image talking about green issues and cleaning up streets etc. Well NO ONE is interested anymore! The Problem is we have no one else to vote for about immigration issues and crime! So who do we turn to? yep you have got it the BNP WE SIMPLY HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO VOTE FOR ! lets stop over analysing If the labour goverment took some of the ideas from BNP they would probably win !

Lee harrison, London , UK Baghdad

I came to Britain aged 8 and obtained British Citizenship at 16.

Yet now I am looking at selling up and leaving. The Britain I loved is disappearing before my eyes, and the third-world country my parents and I left is rapidly taking its place. All I see is uncontrolled immigration, the rise of parallel societies, ghettoisation, the pandering to and promotion of foreign cultures to the determent of the indigenous population and culture.

Being “British” is not about getting a passport and access to free education and healthcare. It’s about understanding and embracing British values, culture and history.

I loathe the racism of the BNP and their Apartheid-style vision, but I can’t blame some people for turning to them. Who else offers an alternative to the current irrational nonsense being spouted by the multiculturalist zeolots?

Reza Mirsadeghi, London, England

“Immigration in the UK has increased the size of the economy and has made us all richer as a consequence”, so says James Docherty… Well James if that’s your opinion you must be wallowing in a priviledged situation. My friends in Construction, Transport, Health etc who have been confined to benefit culture, through inability to compete with Third World wage rates worked for by hot-bunking immigrants would beg to differ. You are in good company Blair, Cameron, Campbell et al would agree (they are possibly living in a similar cosseted lifestyle to your own). As someone who has teenaged children, relatives and young friends who will be in the job-market in the next 20 years or so, I would like to think It would be nice if life came back and bit you in the bum for your short-sighted greed. Roll on the BNP, the only party with the guts to tell the truth as WE the ordinary people of the country see it!

Macca, Edinburgh, Scotland

Very interesting reading, I think my vote is with the BNP, i do not agree with all of there policies but then again, I have never agreed with all of the policies of the conservatives I used to vote for.

The country is going to change, either politically or violently I pray God its not the latter but at the present time it looks increasingly likely.

Anthony Clarke, Manchester, Englnad

>>Wonder how Griffin is labeled "a racist" when your average Joe in >>Holland and Germany speak exactly the same words and are >>labeled as honest citizens

>>keylogger times , keyloggersville, uk

I wish it were so. Over here they don`t have to call you a racist. It suffices to call you "auslaenderfeindlich" (xenophobic) to yell everybody into submission. Another eyample for new speak is islamophobic, which is used to silence anybody who opposes islamic infiltration.

Isent it funny that Islam translates >submission<?!?

Germandude, Dresden, Germany

The longer unrealistic levels of immigration are tolerated, encouraged and engineered by a Nation such as Britain a few facts must be noted. Peoples of different Races, Religions, Cultures etc will tend to gravitate to, or flee from, areas to be with their own kind. This is a self-propagating slide which, as percentages get more polarised, this desire to be in your own community ferments into a fear (perceived no-go areas). All OK! NO need for immigrants to assimilate, NO need for learning the host language, NO need to deal anyone other than your own people. This can proceed quite happily until the immigrant population begin to think they are getting a raw deal OR the host community feels that the percentage of immigrants is becoming a threat, or is not a beneficial part of the overall picture. When its YOUR mother, father, son, daughter who cannot get work, cannot get health treatment, is confined to the human scrap heap this is when a scapegoat is hunted. This is happening in a

Scot, Edinburgh, Scotland

If immigration is a negative force, then we are only reaping what we have sown, and if immigrants are exploiting British society, it is only becuase we exploited them first. Just payback for imperialism.

betty , london, UK

Most so-called English are descended frrom Romans (Italy), Normans (France), Anglo-Saxons (Germany) or Vikings (Scandinavia), or else more recently Africa, Asia or Eastern Europe. No real difference.

Ben, York,

How kind of A K of Birmingham to permit us to teach our culture to our children in private! I would remind him/her that this is Britain--or more specifically England, where the official language is English and the public celebrations should be of things English.
It is the newcomers who should teach their culture at home and not demand that their languages and celebrations should take preference in our schools and public life.
Earlier immigrants understood and respected this; more recent ones do not. Hence the constant protests at Christmas and Easter celebrations and at flying the English flag, or even speaking English.

Jean, Manchester, England

Nick Griffin calls Mohammedanism a "wicked, vicious faith". Matthew Parris writes in "The Times", "Listen instead to Nietzsche. 'This eternal indictment of Christianity,' he said, 'I will write on walls, wherever there are walls.'" Will that quote follow Matthew Parris wherever he goes?

Kevin, London,

Ian Payne asks: "If the BNP gain ground in this country then why the hell did billions of brave men and women die in a 5 year bloody war between 1939 - 1945 ?'

Well, Ian, my mum (God rest her soul) helped the war effort by joining the Red Cross in World War 2. But she wouldn't have had any problem with the BNP's manifesto - and neither would most of her generation. Their views are deeply conservative by today''s standards. But Nazi? No.

Mum was always friendly and respecftul to members of ethnic minorities, but horrified when large-scale Commonwealth immigration started. If she had lived to see the recent colonisation of large swathes of her native land, she might well have wondered why she (and Dad and millions of others) fought that war that was supposed to keep us free from foreign control. What a betrayal of their courage and sacrifice.

JD, Sydney, Australia

"Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century”- The Guardian.

The writer mentions about assumptions, qualifications and back-of-the-envelope calculations. The article had not foreseen the expansion of EU to East European countries, the 600,000 white Christian poles coming to Britain and the discriminate immigration policy, where non EU immigrants have to meet strict criterias.

If the BNP is not racist, then why should the descendants of Johnson Beharry -the black soldier who fought bravery for Britain, who saved the lives of white comrades and was awarded a VC, be less British than a BNP member? If Nick Griffin’s descendant was to marry Johnson Beharry’s descendant, would their offspring be foreigners?

keith, Bristol,

I think it is great that the times has had the decency to place a debate like this in its paper , and hope all the other papers and the bbc follow suit .

No longer will decent british people be ashamed of voting for the only party that is answering the questions that need answering the most , for too long we have all been labeled racists for anything we have to say on immigration , muslim culture , e.t.c, but finally the tide is turning , Nick griffin is no racist even though the typical 40 plus year old do- gooder has him labeled as one .

I can tell you now that i know of 30 - 40 people alone down my street that will be marking there papers with a BNP cross even though there is no candidate here this year , doesnt that say anything about how much support the party is getting.!

GOOD LUCK NICK , BRING BRITAIN BACK

JASON, HULL, ENGLAND

Reading these comments about the rise of the BNP an old saying about the English come to mind,
"Slow to anger, quick to fight."
We English take so much then people start getting angry about unfair decisions taken by a remote political elite.
But also, what happened to the other Engish saying,
"I disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death to allow you to say it."
The BNP is almost exclusively ignored by the mass media despite being the fastest grownig poltical party? Mmm..

steve, northants, uk

Nick Griffin is a breath of fresh air compared to B-liar in power today and the want-to-be Cameron.Posh spoil't brats with no idea about real people, two public school boys that have been fortunate not have been exposed or been a victim of this multi-cult society in its raw form, that most working indigenous British people have to endure on a daily basis, assault,violence rape,vitriolic hate,loss of identity,druggies,robbery,fear to venture out in our own land. All because of immigration by those who have nothing but resentment of us commie greedy cor-prats one and the same.Then when we verbally fight back we are landed with some hate speech crime by our own! First off FREE SPEECH for Britain should be without question. If we don't like what some say ignore it turn the box off or whatever. Next we need to get out of the EU skam for for lazy traitors to earn big money for nothing out of our pockets. Vote BNP your only option they may not go far but the message will be clear.

Roger, Oslo, Norge

Immigration in the UK has increased the size of the economy and has made us all richer as a consequence. So says James Docherty... I wonder who he thinks is encompassed by 'ALL'. Not the people I know in the Construction Industry, Transport (drivers), my children, young relatives and friends who aspire to go to Uni but have no option but to fund part of thier own costs. All of them are suffering and will continue to do so to a greater extent, as they compete with hot-bunkers who will work for third word wage rates. I would guess that he is fortunate enough to have quite a comfortable lifestyle, but I would be suprised if at some time in the future short term greed will not come back to bite him. Life has a habit of doing just that. Sorry James!

Macca, Edinburgh,

Dear Editor:

recently the Telegraph invited Billy Bragg to post his opinion on 'Englishness' then answer questions posted by readers.(Needless to say he hand picked the ones that suited him best and what he wrote was 'Blairite' populist tripe,)

Would it be possible to ask Mr Griffin to answer some of these questions? NOW THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING!

Ben, London,

"Whites will be an ethnic minority in Britain by the end of the century…it would be the first time in history that a major indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority, rather than through war, famine or disease."

The Guardian, Sunday September 3 , 2000

This is the reason increasing numbers of people are supporting the BNP. It has nothing to do with 'blaming immigrants' or 'hatred'. It is simply a matter of wishing to survive as a people and a nation.

David, Southend,


Dear Syed, London, England

Good god!! is that what you think?
And you wonder why the BNP is gaining support?

Ben, London,

Immigration in the UK has increased the size of the economy and has made us all richer as a consequence. Immigrants come to the UK to work hard to make a better life. Many have escaped not only crippling poverty, but intense and all pervading repression from controlling and corrupt governments. On arrival here they see a better life, and the UK, being one of the most advanced countries in the world, can take advantage of this new and stronger influx and lead in the inevitable spread of multiculturalism. The introduction of a diversity of ideas and perspectives not only improves our domestic situation but would help generate a populous with a more international mindset.

Besides, the UK has always been a country of an immigrant population and this is evident in our language and our history of invention. There are problems, but they are not impossible to solve.
ML King said, "either we learn to be brothers and sisters or we die next to each other like fools." Too true.
Don't fear.

James Docherty, Southampton, Hampshire

We owe the people the hateful BNP wants to kick out. Troops from the Empire fought and died for our freedom, we plundered their riches and left them in a total mess when we withdrew.

Ben, York,

As a soon to be graduating history student, allow me to offer a history lesson to the historically unaware. For many hundreds of years, England has run riot around the world, benefiting immensely from numerous different lands and people, does the slave triangle or india, 'the jewel in the crown,' mean anything? Those are just two examples of England benefiting unconditionally and inhumanly from far off lands. Today, some of the people from those far off lands have chosen and in some cases been invited to settle in England and the rest of the UK, surely, as the descendants of peoples who have been exploited deeply for centuries by England, they are entitled to take something back. Be allowed to live in England and peacefully experience some benefits in return for the centuries of oppressiona and exploitation they suffered at the hands of England. Let us not forget, this great country would not be so great without having used the resources, material and human, of the whole world.

Syed, London, England

I wish people would stop BULLYING refugees as they are the most vulnerable and the least able to defend themselves. Refugees are fleeing from CONFLICT and PERSECUTION. UK is home to just 3% of 9 million refugees world-wide. In 2005, UK ranked 14th in the league table of EU countries for the number of asylum applications per head of population and only 11% applications are accepted. Asylum applications are at the lowest level since 1993. The UK is outperforming other European nations, which collectively saw their own asylum applications rise by 14%. It’s so hard to claim asylum now that the only acceptable route is via airports. The benefits refugees receive are one third less than basic income support (30% below poverty line).

There are 1,000 refugee doctors.11 noble prize winners and17 noble laureates were refugees or children of refugees.

If people just come here for the benefits and to sponge, then there won’t be any illegal immigrants, i.e. they have
no welfare rights.

david wilkes, manchester, uk

You can blame immigrants for the breakdown of British culture until you turn blue. It takes two to tango. Like other observant posters have noted, the British have had extensive influence over many foreign territiories. Are you so arrogant to assume parts of their culture have not sustained irrevocable damage?

No one is stopping you passing on your culture and values to your children. No one can induce sudden amnesia of your culture. If you've failed to pass on your culture to your children, don't even think of blaming others for your failure.

My enthusiasm and fascination for Britain and its culture far surpasses that of my 'native' friends, even though I have only ever suffered from the alleged prioritisation of minorities.

The Sikhs have spilled so much blood fighting for this country. Unlike Muslim countries, within the one sovereign Sikh kingdom which existed, all cultures were welcome. The British were welcome in our court. We ask only for the favour to be returned.

A K, Birmingham, UK

Don't be taken in by these lies about nazism, racism and fascism. It's childish propaganda to put people off voting for or joining the BNP. As they are the only party that truly opposes globalisation, and as the mass media is largely foreign-owned and pro-globalisation, the media go to great lengths to scare the electorate by quoting the party leadership on things they said or did many years ago (no matter how trivial it was).

The BNP may well have had some idiots in it's ranks during the days of John Tyndall, but Nick Griffin has turned the party into what it should have been 20 or 30 years ago - a respectable and electable party that represents the interests of all British people.

Warning: Not electing a future BNP government will cause irreversible damage to your grandchildren.

Andy, Brighton, Sussex

If you want to know why I shall be voting BNP, come and spend a bit of time in Bradford!

City Boy, Bradford, West Yorkshire



I Notice that on the Guardian Website they refuse to acknowledge that the BNP exist. Every other party is listed.
This is foolish in the extreme. Whatever the rights and wrongs we must have FREE speech.
While it can be admirable to have principles, subverting free speech and perverting democracy, smacks of the very thing the Guardian accuse of the BNP. This is tantamount to propaganda. In behaving in this fashion the Guardian show they cannot be trusted.

Well done to the Times for your responsible and more importantly HONEST approach to this journalism.

Ben, London,

I would have thought voting for candidates from the British National Party would have been beneath Middle England, or is it now called Middle Earth? I always thought that Oppressed of Orpington and Apoplectic of Appleford were simply English eccentrics!
Have they finally lost their marbles?

Mr Lachie Todd, Edinb urgh, Scotland, U.K.

"I will go "home" tommorrow if the BNP gives me £100,000. Plus, I want £10m compensation for my two grandfathers' who both fought and died in WW2 whilst serving in the British Army."

Sam Iqbal, Glasgow,

Sir, when you have agreed to pay £10.000,000 (FROM YOUR TAXES) compensation to all the other MILLIONS of descendents whose grand parents died in the last war, only then can you demand this sum for your own relatives.

Ben, London,

This quote is interesting because it accurately reflects the views of about 90 per cent (and I sense I do not exaggerate) of the population where I live :- "He would abolish affirmative action programmes and hate-crime legislation, ban the promotion of homosexuality, prevent the NHS from recruiting foreign workers and stop women soldiers serving on the front line. State schools would restore mandatory (nonhalal) lunches and morning assemblies with Christian worship (minorities should “either accept our ways or go somewhere else”). A BNP government would take Britain out of the EU and the European Convention on Human Rights."

clive, NW Surrey,

Why, given the enourmous geographical distance that so called refugees have to travel to reach this safe haven, should we even consider offering sanctuary to anyone from outside of the countries immidiatly bordering our own? Surely refugees should stop fleeing as soon as they get to a "safe" country, and not continue across the whole of Europe to get to this one.

Clearly our generous benefits system is the carrott. It's high time we introduced a system like those that operate in Austrailia, New Zealand and heaven forbid even France, which insists on 5 years residence before qualifying for any benefits and insists that you have a job to go to before you're allowed in. Implement those changes and just watch the tide of grasping spongers dry up.

I have always consideered myself to be a tollerent moderate, but after 50 years of living in a free and democratic society I beleive the time has come to stand fast against the overwhelming waves of imigrants - and I intend to vote BNP

Andrew , Birmingham, West Midlands

I think issues like the one raised here are very difficult to get your head round - there are so many facts, assertions and worries it's hard to know what to think. Yes there are immigrants with decent and hard-working values - working in restaurants I've met a range of, on the whole, pretty fab people from all over the globe, and not one would I think "you're a threat to Britain - get out", on the one hand,my partner and I can't afford to buy a house, so we rent privately with my daughter, and coupled with water shortages and congestion I think it would be sensible to, at least, match immigration to emigration.

My main concern over immigration isn't that "there's a lot of brown people around" I don't give a hoot what epidermal pigmentation people have - it's the cultural values of some of them. In this country, women worked hard (and died) for equal rights, as did gay people, and I find it quite distressing that we are taking in people en masse to whom that means nothing.

Anna Bowman, Birmingham, UK

God Bless Nick Griffin and the BNP. I have many friends -Chrisian and Jewish- who will all be voting BNP. Why can't the politicians and the media -The Times excepted - have the guts and honesty of Mr.Griffin and tell the truth about what is happening to this country of ours.

Dr. R Cook, London,

I will go "home" tommorrow if the BNP gives me £100,000. Plus, I want £10m compensation for my two grandfathers' who both fought and died in WW2 whilst serving in the British Army.

Sam Iqbal, Glasgow,

The comments here show how polarised views on large scale immigration into the UK are. At the end of the day we live in a country where talking honestly about the problems relating to race and immigration can get you put in prison for a number of years. The average person is simply not willing to put themselves in harms way for their political beliefs, so it is left to less average people like Nick Griffin to take up the issue. People who slam Nick Griffin and the BNP for scare mongering and fanaticism should look at the demographic trends in this country. Personally, I do not think anyone will benefit when the UK is turned into a war torn, third world country.

Chris, London, UK

I am appalled to see so many people on this comment page express admiration for a political ideology which is centred around HATRED and spreading FEAR and INTOLERANCE. If thinking this makes me part of the 'liberal/left elite', then 3 cheers for the liberal/left elite!!!

Huw Peach, Shrewsbury, UK

Some BNP ideas are good, others not so. I live in woking, where the first British Mosque was built and the number of muslims is ridiculous. On fridays i feel threatened to walk the street even when i am in a big group. A large proportion of crime in the area is commited by the muslims from in and around woking. Maybe its time this country woke up to the fact that the religion breed crime against none muslims. Im not racist im religionist.

Ledit, Woking, Surrey

Many of these BNP supporting posters are clearly expressing racist views. If you're so proud of who you are and are and are so sick of political correctness, why don't you just admit it....you are a racist!

I'm so sick of these "I'm not racist but.." hypocrites.

JS, London,

Mr Griffin's ridiculous and unworkable policies speak for themselves. it is easy for the BNP to make wild promises in an attempt to seduce the electorate, while there is little chance of them taking power. I only hope the majority are intelligent enough to see through it.

Rob K, norwich,

We have lived in Redbridge all our lives. We have seen it change for the worst.. People are moving away in droves. Last year we voted in a British National Party Councillor in Hainault. He is a local postman. He has never missed a meeting or a surgery. At his first council meeting his stood up in a hostile chamber and made a speech that blew everyone away. No one would have heard about this, but everyone knows now. This was just the begining. He has made people laugh in the chamber , not at him, but with him. He works tirelessly, is personable, and always smartly dressed. We hear in the media that BNP councillors don't even bother to turn up. You wish.

Sylvie, Ilford, Essex

If you are prepared to accept racism as a "side effect" of the BNP, because you agree with other policies, you're just as stupid as all those people who voted for the NSDAP all those years ago. And THEY didn't have WWII to learn from.

starling, Lancaster,

Well said Katie. These idiots clearly have no understanding of irony. I met one BNP voter who ranted about immigration and how it was destroying Britain. To escape this he said he was planning to move... to New Zealand! I for one feel ashamed that so many people in this country are willing to vote for a Fascist party.

Sam, Sheffield, UK

Steph, London - I think it is over egging the pudding to say the comments here are "hate filled". Fear filled would be more appropriate. Fear of overcrowding. Fear of loss of identity. Fear of social breakdown. My own wife was a first generation immigrant from Jamaica back in the 1960s and she too shares these fears. The recent pace of immigration is far too great to be sustainable - that is the point. If it is not radically curtailed, then the hatred and dislocation will follow for sure..

Richard, Worcester, England

The BNP are profiting from both the main parties arrogance and stupidity. Griffin and his ilk are trying to appear reasonable in the same way as happened in Germany not that long ago. Don't believe them. Don't trust them.

I find it maddening that so much ridiculous pandering to avoid offending Muslim sensibilities has been done. The majority of Muslims don't even want special treatment and the minority that feel it is their right should be offered free one way flights to the sharia state of their choice.

The BNP don't seem to have a platform to deal with the hundreds of thousands of white native yobs. They certainly don't acknowledge it. Nothing to deal with the Britneys and Traci's of this world that squirt out child after child while sponging from the state. Nothing about the gangs of Kevs thieving, vandalising and murdering. They certainly have no platform to deal with racism.

The BNP are part of the problem, nothing more.

Dan, Hampton, Uk

Mr Griffin's sacrifice is admirable and the Times should be congratulated for doing its journalistic duty. I notice that the title has been changed in a more positive direction. Or.......is this a clever plot by MI5 in collaboration with anti-"fascist"(never anti-nationalSOCIALIST) Searchlight to flush out all BNP defenders?

The crime of the established parties is that BEFORE embarking on alien mass-immigration, they shoud have obtained a democratic mandate for it by making it an election manifesto with a no-namecalling national debate , or through a national referendum.

Leaving aside incompatible cultural differences, fixed resources on a crowded island means there is less available for the resident population. As Migrationwatch recently again showed, there are no economic benefits for the resident population; any increase in GNP goes to the immigrants. Common sense ofcourse, that is why they come in the first place.

J Foreman, Hastings, England

It’s ironic that a party which says it's a champion of the white English people should give “SIX FIGURE SUM” to black foreigners. At the same time the hard pressed indigenous pensioners get nothing, hard working doctors and nurses get nothing, stressful teachers get nothing, under pressure policeman get nothing, indigenous poor get nothing to get on the housing ladder nor with council housing, the unemployed get nothing to train to find jobs and the overtaxed get nothing.

Rebuilding Britain? More like bankrupting Britain.

“Johnny foreigner” will be laughing all the way to the bank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pauline, leeds, engand

I wish I could say I was shocked by the hate-filled comments left by the majority of people on here, but I'm not. The world really is falling apart and hatred is the final nail in it's coffin.

Kick all foreign nationals out of Britain seems to be the general consensus, and all your problems will just disappear. 390,000 british citizens left their home for new shores last year, why? Well I'd imagine because they wanted to make a better life for themselves, make a fresh start somewhere else. Nobody is kicking up a stink about that. Would you enforce repatriation for them aswell, or is it okay for british people to live where they like?

Just let people be, let them live where they want to live, what the hell does it matter anyway. Crimes aren't commited by one nationality more than another, wake up and learn to think for yourselves.

steph, london, england

"God bless the BNP! It's alarming that the country of my ancestors is being overrun by foreigners. No one should apologise for wanting to have his own country. Britain for the British!

William Worsley, Arlington, Virginia"

Hahaha, possibly the funniest comment of all time. In that case, Mr Worsley, I suggest you get back on a plane to Britain since you clearly favour giving America back to the Native Americans. Be seeing you soon then shall we?!

Katie, London,

But who says differences cannot work together? 'multiculturalism' is just that - MANY cultures, i.e. DIFFERENT cultures. Every country's 'culture' is a changing thing, do you think that British culture would be the same as it was 500 years ago without immigration and outside influence? Of course not. Immigration is just one of the factors that influence old jaded "values" and usually for the better

AnneMarie, Cork, Ireland,

A German friend said to me 25 years ago when the first Green politician won a seat in the German Parliament, we don't want these peope to win power, but we need them to make the main-stream politicians feel uncomfortable. Cowardly main-stream party politicians and other appeasers refuse to address the real problems. A vote for the BNP represents the only way to send a messsage to the free-loaders at Wesrminster.

Stephen , Arbroath,

As a man in my early eighties, I am not ashamed to say that I am delighted with the article on the BNP. I am not a racist, but I do not agree with them being over here. It is never going to work squashing individuals with such different beliefs into a small island to " get along". Historically this has never worked and only resulted in bloodshed and terrible conflict, why are we so naive as to think things will be any different now.
It seems that despite the efforts of the "do gooders" attitudes are becoming increasingly more negative towards those of ethnic origin. I see it in my own local community and within my grandchildren how their attitudes are changing - from a live and let live mentality to one of resentment and fear.
The answer? Send them back - we are over crowded, lack of resources, housing, jobs etcetera. Consider war and terrorism, are those in power so blind?!

George Duberry, Matlock, Derbyshire, England

If the BNP gain ground in this country then why the hell did billions of brave men and women die in a 5 year bloody war between 1939 - 1945 ?

ian payne, LICHFIELD - STAFFORDSHIRE, ENGLAND

Good grief! Don't tell me the lion is finally stirring? About bloody time!

Archie, Vancouver, Canada

The irony of the commonly held viewpoint that the BNP are 'extreme' is that in reality the 'Liberal Elite' represented by the Lib/ Lab/'Con' Party (they are all the same Party aren't they?) are the real extremists - with their illegal wars, support for the criminal class, social engineering, political correctness etc. The BNP are in fact the moderates, talking nothing but common sense.
That's why I will be voting for the moderates next month, the moderate BNP!

Paul Williams, Egham, UK

We have Labour, Conservative and Liberal parties, all either supportive of, or innefectual against, a policy of international genocide which has so far killed over 600,000 dark skinned people in Iraq, and threatens to slaughter some 3000,000 more in Iraq.All on behalf of a foreign power.
On the other side stands Nick Griffin of the BNP, who wants to bring our troops home.
Yet most of the media and especially the BBC describe Nick Griffin and his supporters as 'extremists', and his policies as dangerous and racist, because he espouses a policy of reduced immigration and repatriation. Equally he is denounced for anti Islamism.
Yet which is more racist, more anti Islamic: To slaughter muslims by the hundreds of thousands or even by their millions by invading a foreign country, or to campaign merely for the restitution of one's own country?

I have long resisted joining the BNP, but now I see their staying power, I intend to both vote for and join them.

John Daly, Harrogate, Yorkshire

British media always introduce Nick Griffin as a "convicted racist" as though that is a bad thing. But all it really means is that he holds his convictions in spite of authoritarian laws that limit your freedom of speech.
Why not tag Peter Hain as "convicted anti-apartheit protester" or Jack Straw as "former student agitator," every time you mention them?
Britain and the rest of the EU are heading towards a crisis caused by years of institutional racism, but it wasn't racism hostile to people from the former empire and colonies; it was, instead, a concerted attack on the rights privileges of the original British population. The unfairness of the civil rights movement and the laws passed to promote its agenda may have destroyed any chance of true integration for generations to come. What a pity.

ScottQ, Boise, USA

My intial views were clearly not what Martin Fletcher wanted, so I will give a few more.

Griffin has for years supported Hitlers actions and denied the murder of six million Jews. In this article we are told simply that he now believes they did happen. Where is his comdemnation of the event?. The answer is nowhere, because he does not disagree with the actions. Where is his support for our country's fight, costing many British lives, against such actions?

He claims to be the messiah and according to some of the reponses here has managed to get black, jewish & homosaexual backers - even though these groups would beeradicated / repatriated if, god help us, the BNP was elected!

The country might be in a mess thanks to the Tories and Labour, but the answer is definitely not to vote BNP!!!!!!
The most vital answers Martin Fletcher failed to obtain was what would Griffin do if non whites don't want to be repatriated and where are the first gas chambers to be built???

Roy Sheward, Birmingham, UK

I have always voted Tory in the past. However, under David Cameron they seem to have become indistinguishable from Labour. All three main parties just seem content to fight it out for the votes of a small bunch of liberal-leftists who constitute some imagined "centre-ground".

Anyone who is concerned, as I am, about crime, about immigration, about preserving our own culture and way of life, about maintaining our national independence from the EU, or about a host of other issues, is now completely ignored and unrepresented by the main parties. Only the BNP offer an alternative to the current trend the country is on, and only the BNP seem to share the concerns that people such as myself feel. Who else am I to vote for?

The only alternative I have to voting BNP is to give up on the democratic process, and to give up on Britain's future. I am not ready to do that yet, and shall therefore vote BNP the first chance I get.

Liam, London,

The left have more in common with the BNP than they like to think. The BNP thinks we should recognise the reality of differences between races, this is exactly what identity politics promotes: celebrating diversity and difference.

What we need is to forget 'multiculturalism' of left and right, and go back to a more traditional liberalism of the melting pot.

Richard, London, England

Human beings are fundamentally tribal, regardless of the ideals of enlightenment philosophy and the current emphasis upon "multiculturalism." Tribalism divides groups of people upon race, class, religion, origin, politics, or any number of distinctions. Is there any surprise that segments of the population are becomming fed up with being told that being in the majority is bad and repressive, and that one must contiually bend towards the will of some other minority tribal group simply because they're a minority and shouldn't be "offended"?? If you're surprised, then you're in a minority. No wonder the BNP is gaining traction.

Thomas, Atlanta, GA, USA

It is true to say that, as far as I can discern the BNP have a
‘Past’ but it is just that, in the past. From what I can deduce they seem to be normal people, not thugs, criminals or demagogues; it would seem that they address fears rather than exploit them. As for the ‘racist’ tag, how exactly does one even define being racist these days? In regard to politics my concerns, like many others are remarkably simple: Europe and its expanding powder: abhorrent levels of crime, and immigration/multiculturalism, in fact these issues are inexorably linked and if no other party will address them then it would seem that the rise of the BNP is assured

Jonathan Lambert, barry, Wales

I see a lot of similarities between the BNP and Islamic extremists. If you belong to either community it’s very easy to be seduced. They use words like Englishness (Islam), Patriotism (jihad), the down-trodden white working class (Islamic- phobia) and loss of culture identity (pollution by western immorality). It’s not difficult to succumb and empathise with your tribe. It becomes “Us and them”. “Leaders” tell ludicrous lies (blame all the tribe’s ills on the “them”) to stir up fear and hate. When they give simplistic solutions, people accept it, because the leaders are one of “us”.

I pray to God the British electorate are sophisticated and realise how lunatic the BNP policies are.

Brian Mcfall, newcastle, uk

We have friends who live in the areas that the people in the meeting at the pub come from.The press are not givng the true picture of what is happening to out country and one day there wil be a viloent backlash and they will regret for not exposing the lie that our corrupt politicians keep peddling to the people.Look at Iraq they cannot live together,we work there we know,look at Lebonon,Fiji,many places in the World different races and customs do not mix.In the future the UK will be like Northern Ireland you have been warned.

Taff, Hereford, UK

10 years ago the responses to this article would have overwhelmingly anti BNP. how things have changed !! those who fi nd this disturbing need to look long and hard at many of the comments posted

neil, london,

To M. Lawlor, Florida. I think you'll find that Darwin made no claims for 'group selection' and that such selection is now a discredited hypothesis. That apart, though, I concur with all your other points. The truly sad thing is that, with all the main political parties grovelling to the 'swing voters' and minorities, voting for parties like the BNP represents the only way to send a messsage of dissatifaction with their attitude

Bob Finbow, Haverhill, England

40 years ago the SNP were considered extremists and radicals. On May the 2nd, it looks like they'll be taking over the Scottish Parliament. Perhaps the BNP will follow that course.

Congratulations to the Times for a fascinating article on the BNP and its leader, who comes across as a thoroughly decent man despite a chequered history, the result of naivity. He's big enough to admit past mistakes even though they were comparaitively minor.

I will be voting BNP on May the 2nd as will many of my relatives and friends. The BNP doesn't represent what I stand for but by having a strong BNP, I feel I'm more likely to get the country I want.

Colin Liddell, Irvine, Ayrshire

Well I might disagree with 75% of what he says, but he has every right to say it. I'd never vote for the BNP given their support for fascist organisations.

In a strange way I'm rather impressed with his courage to stand up against the current torrent of trendy politically correct multiculturalism that organisations like the BBC try to impose on us.

Tom, Essex, UK

The BNP today is not unlike the labour party in the mid 90s - both with baggage they need to lose to become acceptable. Another odd similarity is that just as not all those who will vote BNP would support all its policies, not all who voted Blair supported all his policies. They know that many of the extremist policies (Blairs was the total absorbtion of the UK into a European superstate) would never happen under our system. Until the Tories give us an opposition to the current politics, people who would support them will turn instead to BNP and UKIP

George Edwards, harrogate, UK

Wake up, Brits! Stop thinking you are superior. Think about what you've done in the past couple of centuries. By invading other countries and turning them into British colonies, you too have incorporated British culture into different quarters of the world. As I can see, the main difference between our culture and yours is at least we are open to different races and cultures but sadly you are not.

Jasmin S, Hong Kong,

Only the West is engaged in national and cultural suicides led by rampant, uncontrolled immigration. What other part of the world would allow millions upon millions of foreigners into their midst to upset centuries of development, change the culture, and set neighbor upon neighbor?
The Left has done a great job leveraging Western cultural guilt to promote "diversity" and multiculturalism all to the detriment of the native cultures of Europe. When civil war comes it will be the Left that's responsible and the Right that provides the soldiers that will be the West's salvation.
What good has come from multiculturalism? Certainly the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, et al haven't suffered from their LACK of diversity.
The Left's most powerful weapons against concerned citizens that wish to protest the changes in their countries are guilt and fear. Fear being the most powerful. How many citizens who love their countries keep their mouths shut for fear of being labeled "racist" by some Lefty?

Eric, Little Rock, USA

There are some contributors to this site who are unwittingly allowing our country to sleepwalk to to an extreme right hell they can not comprehend.Please check out the Panorama transcript (dated 25/11/00,freely available on the internet).Why not ask yourself how a party promoting strong law and order has at it's very head,many criminals,some with convictions for violent deeds?Tony Lecomber part of a group who in 1995 (not 1945),jailed for unlawful wounding,as part as a gang who attacked a Jewish school-teacher who had tryed to peel off a bnp sticker.Colin Smith (South East London organiser),multiple convictions inc possesion of drugs.These are cold facts.Read what insiders and ex members say about the REAL ideals of the bnp.This is not a group of slightly concerned people,fearful of immigration,this party is far,far more sinister than that.These parasites look to capitalise on the twisted, media generated tales of high livin asylum seekers(on 36 quid a week.,get real press boys).

Rob Levy, Manchester, UK

Oh dear, I see the comment from "starling of Lancaster", spiritual home of the Unwashed And Fragrant. How can anyone be so naive?. our country is teetering on the brink of collapse, even those who were blind to this a couple of years ago have now woken up. Look around you starling, there is hardly a blade of grass left that hasnt been built upon, and why should this be?, given that our birthrate has dropped, the population ageing and todays headlines highlighting the unparalleled ammount of indigenous folk who are leaving?. When I used to come across views like your own I used to really worry for the future, however now that the slumbering masses have been given a prod and see the dangers facing our overcrowded little isle, I am glad that the resistance has began. I am no skinhead, (well a little follicaly challenged maybe, but as yet theres no law against that!), and maybe one day when my kids ask me what I did in the great reclaimation, I can say with pride that I joined the BNP!

Daniel Levinson, Glasgow,

Whilst I don't agree with all of Nick Griffins views I think Britain should bring back British Culture and not be afraid of being called racist it's our (British taxpayers) country. Bring back christian assemblies at school and the hymns we sang; if people don't want to join in for any reason stay outside. Everything is too Politically correct British people are fed up yet daren't speak out for fear of being called racist. I pay my taxes and I object to illegal immigrants coming here and using our funds for hospital treatment and houses and handouts, the money pot is low enough for British users do we need more drains on our once proud economy?
And bring our soldiers home they are needed here to patrol the streets and bring order once again to our land. Iraqi people don't want us there, they are not grateful for our British soldiers losing their lives for their fight, why don't the goverment keep their nose out of other countries affairs and stick them in their own countries affairs??

Michelle, Manchester,

Nasty jibes... by the reporter about having a false eye .

Maureen , Leicester,

Forgive me if I am wrong. If we have 6million immigrants, and let's say a family unit has 4 people, so equals 1.5million families. If each gets £100,000, then doesn’t that equal £150billion?

steve, manchester, uk

I have just read the comments here and noticed that JM from London is bleating on about people showing greater tolerance.

Well I would just like to say that in my experience as a disabled person, the people who claim to be tolerant and preach tolerance are quite often the most intolerant of all. ‘Tolerant’ Liberals are also very patronising and have tendencies to talk down to people. Whereas right wingers don’t give a hoot who you are or what’s wrong with you they treat you and speak to you the same as they do everyone else, which is the way it should be.

As for the BNP I do sympathise with some of their views especially in bringing back the death penalty for child molesters and murderers. For now however I will remain a card carrying member of the Conservative party, though I will certainly be keeping an eye on the progress and policies of the BNP.

Jim, Southampton, England

"Nationalistic, and to a lesser extent ideological, movements simply cannot compete."

Did you inform the Japanese? Tell them that if they import 100 million Africans they'll become more competitive. I'm sure they'll take you seriously.

Steven Palese, San Diego, USA

I love multiculturalism! Probably because I get along better with the furriners than with the Brits. They seem to be politer on the whole.

So this country is overcrowded? How about using the space better? Knock the puny little terraces down and build low apartment buildings with communal gardens instead. Or build new houses, but give them an extra floor. Build up, instead of out. Seems to work elsewhere.

starling, Lancaster,

To think that multiculturalism will work is to ignore Darwin's survival of the fittest. In any group situation there will be the Top Group" and the "Others". For multiculturalism to work the indigenous culture must be made subservient to the immigrated cultures. Any native culture with a strong identity and nationalism will feel resentful and thus try to re-establish their heritage - in the UK case - initially thru the ballot box. I think that the UK NEEDS to move to the right in order to save itself. Once in political power the Right will be mitigated by those in the far Left and eventually find itself more towards the center. The only difference will be that rampant immigration will be stopped/controlled and the British people will regain their proud heritage, Country and sense of identity.

M. Lawlor, Florida, USA

There are many things which can be stated in response to Helen, London. Firstly, this country is overcrowded and congested as it is, so whatever you may think personally of the new arrivals, there simply is not the environmental headroom to accommodate them. More overcrowding means a reducing quality of life and living environment for all. Secondly, the economic benefits of mass immigration are overstated - it is per capita GDP that enriches individuals, not the overall wealth of the nation. Mass immigration means that employers can keep wages down as new arrivals increase supply in the labour marketplace (plus they tend to be prepared to work for much lower wages than current citizens doing the same job). It is simple - current levels of immigration are unsustainable and have to be curtailed one way or another.

Richard, Worcester, England

God bless Nick Griffin. For those of you who like to pretend that the BNP is a party of 'skin-'eads', all I would say is that it is faith in a political party, a commitment to a cause and the rewarding tasks of electioneering that prevents true BNP supporters from turning to violence. Lord knows, without them I would have a lot of spare anger - not unjustifiably.

J. Thompson, Darlington,

Only part of the UK's crime problem can be attributed to immigration. Other issues; family breakdown, problems with young offenders, inflation, transport etc. have very little to do with it.

Many of the problems the UK has are down to the population's lack of self-respect for themselves and the place in which they live.

Immigration is a subject that should be discussed more openly, but the BNP use it as a scapegoat - a cheap gimmick with no real substance. It sounds like they've managed to suck many of you in too.

JS, London,

Inspirational and charismatic leaders may give these movements an attractive gloss, but their tenets are so regressive that they are unlikely to ever gain traction on the international political scene.

The future is globalisation, open markets, freedom of intellectual expression and international regulatory harmonisation. Nationalistic, and to a lesser extent ideological, movements simply cannot compete.

Mark, Woking, UK

This country has a long history of turning things round at the fifty ninth minute of the eleventh hour. This time I fear that we may have made our final mistake and for the life of me I cannot see a way out of this situation. As a working class Englishman I am proud to say that I will be voting for the B.N.P. And all the screaming accusations of 'racist' by all the self-seeking politicians will do nothing to change my resolve

Larry Ramsden, Keighley, Yorkshire England

Tom Blanc asks where the six-figure sums to persuade families to be repatriated back to their countries of origin is going to come from.
Try re-couping £1.3 million per hour at present being paid by the tax-payer for the privilage of being ruled by the EU. Try bringing back our military personell from Blairs illegal war in Iraq. Try bringing back our troops from Afghanistan.
That should bring in a few quid for repatriated families and with enough left over to fund essential services in our own country.
And as an afterthought, cancel Gordon Browns' £5 billion gift to tghe bottomless pit of Africa.

Peter C. Lucas, Torquay, Devon, England

Britain is no longer a sovereign nation state. Successive governments - driven by the drift towards corporatism, privatisation and globalisation have transformed it into a mere franchise, where the inhabitants/comsumers are interchangeable. We are no longer a citizenry - with an active stake or pride in the community around us - merely passive 'customers'. Business has no need of regional differences, only homogeneity, which is why populations are encouraged to drift around the EU from one economic marketplace to another. The next time we're asked to fight - in the hills and on the beaches - we should pause to reflect that we don't actually own anything indigenous we're being asked to defend; the country has already been gradually hived off into the hands of overseas 'investors'. Conclusion: don't blame foreigners for these ills - they're victims too - blame international capitalism.

Thomas Croft, Liverpool, England

The problem with immigration isn't the people who come here. (And i find it insulting that in this age of globalization some people still tend to think of british muslims (along with other nationalities/religions) as second class citizens - however that is another rant for another day!)

While the government supports mass immigration, it does nothing to update the social/housing/education services that are vital for such an increase in the population. This causes certain communities to feel excluded, which is why so many people feel alienated and resentful to immigrants

However, lets also not forget that only a couple of days ago the Pound Sterling was at an all time high, much in thanks to the boost the economy has received from immigrant workers. So to close our doors to the immigrant population will only harm the UK in the long run.

So for once let’s say thank you to our foreign brothers and sisters who have now helped make the UK the richest and most well off it has ever been!

Helen, London,

I love the comments which start 'I'm not racist but......' I can only hope that the reason that the majority of the comments here are pro Nick Griffin is that his supporters were the only ones who could be bothered to write in.

Catherine, London,

Living in the meltingpot that is the U.S. I can relate on the issues of change and immigration. However, even if this man has the best of intentions, his views are too extreme. No one necessarily likes change and we are most comfortable with those who our similar to ourselves, but to suggest that others aren't worthy because of cultural differences does indicate prejudice and does project an elitist attitude. Even if they dress better now, it doesn't coverup who they are. I am white, but do not agree with hate groups in any form and that's what I have taken from reading this article. What can start as prejudice in one area can spread to other areas as you can see. Maybe eventually this party won't like the way you look and decide you aren't worthy either, afterall they've turned there back on others for less than reasonable causes.

J. Cotton, Cincinnati, US

To support BNP policies is not a route that the average UK National would wish to adopt. However,the accelerating downward spiral of our way of life is seroiusly and almost terminally out of control and the BNP represent
at the very least an escape valve for people to express or demonstrate their anger at the appalling state of breakdown in all areas of our lives. Quite simply, if we were not in this situation the BNP would not be required.I suspect that Mr Griffin would probably agree with that. Unless the serious issues that are concerning UK Nationals are addressed directly and openly I believe the BNP will gather dangerous momentum.

steve, newport/MON,

The BNP has support only because there are people who feel alienated in the only land they have ever known, feel trapped and unable to get out, unable to change their surroundings. Powerless in short. May be a lot of people really do support the BNP but in a country where we get taken to war with less governmental scrutiny than for fox hunting (ultimately pointless when the fox still dies and with pretty as much pain) where is the sense of empowerment. Do these people really believe the "lies" when "weapons of mass destruction" are supposed to be the truth and bombs are set off in the Underground by islamic terrorists? Are they supposed to love "foreigners" Where is the alternative to a government that lives with spin, lies and has no clue how many immigrants there are? These people need an alternative but without any inclusive sense of citizenship (which will take time to develop) the situation can only get worse. Colour is not important - culture is.

John, Shrewsbury, England

I have many British friends from non- anglo saxon backgrounds who express the same sentiments as Colin from London who is British and Black.

I predict that as the BNP gains popularity it's political agenda will has less to do with ethnic background and more and more emphasis will be placed on "Britishness" ie. respect for tradional British values.

One of those traditional british values is tolerance and respect for others . It is those people who abuse british tolerance who are not welcome.

Neil Oliver, London,

When you feel, as I and others living in my local area do, that you have to get your child Christened as a Catholic, just so you can ensure a place at a Catholic school, and therby ensure that your child will receive his/her education in a Christian environment, then there are obvious problems with the level of immigration in this country. Those who make major political decisions are very unlikely to live in an area, as I do, where immigration effects their everyday lives and prevents their children from enjoying and celebrating British culture and identity. I work hard and pay my taxes, as have my parents and grandparents. I should be able to feel safe in the knowledge that my children and future grandchildren will enjoy and be proud of their Britishness, but sadIy iam not. Political correctness has gone too far. We should not be made to feel ashamed of who we are. The BNP are the only party who have the nerve to speak out. Well done BNP. You have my vote.

Trish Baxter, Middlesbrough, England

So long as the average working Brit feels he will be castigated by a government capable of allowing a police "force" to get away with sending four officers to deal with a boy for calling someone homosexual in playground banter; and a Christian "Soap Box Preacher" is arrested charged and fined by a court for quoting from the Bible, no real discussion of any topic with a hint of race, immigration or religion, to take place freely and openly. Then the BNP and their like will prosper. At least they are saying what many whites fear to say openly in this country today.

Michael Lunt, Wigan, UK

I have got to say for the first time in my life and "i'm no spring chicken" i am actually considering voting for the BNP. Not that i am racist but because i feel the main parties have lost sight of the feelings of the British people. They are too worried about keeping the minorities happy. To the detriment of the majority. This government in particular is full of liberal lefty do-gooders who are so PC its a joke.
Nobody can deny the uncontrolled immigration that has been allowed into this country has damaged it. The infrastructure is creaking under the strain, and where i come from it is causing tensions. So yes at the next elections i will be voting BNP

Carolyn, Yorkshire, England

Unfortunately the major parties have not fully addressed the problems that are real and exist. They act as they do over Iraq: Pretend there's no civil war and saying for the last 4 years, that the insurgents are "desperate men's last push".

The British people on the whole, are not that stupid. Misguided and liable to persuasion, yes, but they know that the BNP does have certain views that appeal. I won't vote for them, but many who feel dis-enfranchised in this country, will. I just hope that the major parties wake up or like Hitler, he, or someone more charismatic, will be helped to power.

Peter Day, Doncaster, UK

The BNP were, up until a few years ago, a party out of step with the UK it was supposed to be 'defending'. By then, the multi-ethnic society we live in seemed to be working. I'd say it still is, but the panic over migration, the dreadful way the government has handled resettlement and asylum and the very real threat of Islamist terror has made us forget this. Of course, the Islamists want to conquer the world, but the UK under the BNP would simply be a different flavour of the same hell.

It would, of course, be ironic that one totalitarian ideology was used as an excuse by another totalitarian ideology to take power, but then that's what the Nazis did when they used the fear of Communism to their advantage. Don't panic and remember the lessons of history.

Alexander Hay, Winchester, United Kingdom

I would vote for them not because I believe in white supremacy or anything like that - it would simply be a vote of no confidence in the other parties - at least this party is drawing attention to the ridiculous mess we are in & political correctness gone overboard where we are afraid to speak our minds for fear of being labelled as racist or worse.
The UK as a whole has lost its personal identity & I wonder what kind of a country my children will end up living in.

John, Leeds,

The way things are going, it seems that Britain might be headed for a very violent Muslim-White clash in a few decades time.

Non-Muslim, non-Whites would do well to leave the U.K. in the meantime, if they don't want to get caught up in the crossfire.

The future belongs to fanaticism.

Arindam, Doha, Qatar

It's time the BRITISH public stood up for their own beliefs.
This errosion of their culture needs to stop NOW.
Enoch Powell was SO right.
This is what it has come to, a sad, sad situation.
To respect other peoples cultures is a good thing, but not at the expense of our own!
What it is to be BRITISH anymore?

Ex-pat

Joanne Alexander, Royal Oak, Michigan, United States

I'm a school teacher and would definitely vote BNP. They are not standing in my area but i'll mark my ballot paper BNP in any case.

I'd love to join the party but I daresay I'd get sacked by the left wing fanatics that infest my profession. My grandfather fought in ww2 for a free country yet the left want to limit what party i can and cannot join!

Disgusting

Michael, Wolverhampton,

So is this the BNP fanbase?

Any mention of the BNP and and people jump aboard to show support. I read nothing in this article but man's weakness and fanaticism.

Supporters of discrimination and prejudice.

If this is the shared ideology of England then I don't know it anymore and can no longer love it.

liz, york, UK

Whatever you say about him or his party, he is certainly telling the truth when he says that the LIB/LAB/CON pact have been treating the electorate with scorn

Ben Moss, London,

"Let reason govern thy lament" V of Somerset if Shakespeare fanswill forgive me. Who else is listening to us? I am not a Russian Oligarch. I have no ethnicity. I earn less than £18,000 so multicultural Gordon will be taking more money from me next year to buy votes from those on 2/4/6 times my income and I will retire on a pension of £65 per week because I put my family first. I of course, had no "right" to return to work or any other rights come to that. I have only ever had responsibilities. What exactly have I got to lose by voting for the BNP?

Joy, Devizes, Wiltshire

- He would restore hanging for the worst murderers, paedophiles, rapists and drug-dealers, and bring back the birch.
He would abolish affirmative action programmes and hate-crime legislation, ban the promotion of homosexuality, prevent the NHS from recruiting foreign workers and stop women soldiers serving on the front line.

Sounds an awful lot like sharia law to me! Griffin and his supporters have got much in common with the Iranian president, haven't they?

guzzidave, Madrid,

Wherever I've been this afternoon, I've found the Times completely sold out in every outlet, while the other papers remain on the shelves in their stacks...

This is a very good way of showing our approval.

NG for PM.

Jeffrey Marshall, London, England

I think Nick Griffin looks positively mild and decent compared to enormity of the problems we face. Don't forget that MI5 are having to keep track of more that 2000 potential Islamic terrorists. Saudi Arabia is funding the spread of pernicious wahabism in this country, as in others. In spite of all the horrors of which Islam is guilty, the EU is now setting out plans to make defamation of Islam a crime. We don't have much time to save our country - the BNP are only suggesting remedies that have become necessary due to the follies of the post-war era.
My heart goes out to the decent, hard-working people of this country who've had immigration and multiculturalism rammed down their throats year after year.

Mike Wood, Bradford, UK

I my self agree with quite a few points that the BNP have. I agree that labour, have led the country down hill with their PC attitude. I am however Asian, by birth. My father fought in WW2 in the British Army. I my self have also spent numerous years in the armed forces.

It is very sad that we no longer have freedom of speech. I class my self as British, not British Asian, simply British. I was born, raised here and live here. I find that the world has changed around me and society had degraded so much in the past 20 years. I believe the problem is also due to upbringing.

Children represent there parents, it is the beliefs and values that you teach your children that is what governs them. Then why is that there are so many gangs of youths out there? Why are there no enough police men out on the beat, but there are hundreds of cameras, waiting to flash you.

So again, where does that leave me in the BNP frame?

S.H, Hampshire, UK

Simon , Farnbrough, Hampshire

Makes more sense than bLiar and call me dave put togeather by a long way

ian, gloster, uk

Nu-Lab have duped us these past ten years into maintaining they have effective immigration policies whilst all the time willfully refusing to implement any border controls,and at evry opportunity encouraging mass immigration with "human rights"laws,you can not get any more extreme than this.Expect a lot of talking about what they are going to do now elections are coming round again,and again the outcome will be more immigration as hapens evry time they are re-elected.

sidney, ashford,

oh, for that certain someone who thinks britian fended off hitler, you might want to get your facts right, because britian would have lost if it wasn't for a lot of other countries. We would be speaking german now so you might want to shut up

erik, london, britian

For me the best aspects of Britishness,are the bits that the sussed people have fought for,the extension of the franchise,union recognition,pensions,reduction of the working week,etc.What some people call Britishness,the monarchy,house of lords,the empire etc seem to be forced on to the people by a ruling elite,for their greed,and are about suppression of freedom.I am happy to be British,it's where I was born,and it's a damn sight better than some places...America to name just one.The problem is that our national consciousness is damaged through our biased,sectional and frequently xenophobic media.Newspapers tell stories about nasty asylum seekers which often contain barely a grain of truth,if any..(it sells papers), while ignoring how the mega rich pay less tax than the average nurse or teacher.People (at risk) flee their country of origin to avoid death,torture or evil of evils to look for a better life for self or children.Beware the divide and rule tactics of the press barons.

Rob Levy, Manchester, UK

The BNP is the only political party asking the questions that ordinary people want answers to - it’s as simple as that.

Mark, Sheffield,

Funny, I agree with just about everything Griffin advocates.
Wish we had someone like him in the states. The closest we come to him is not a politician but a talk show host. Shows how lame our political elite is.

robert a, novato, ca/usa

I know we're supposed to read this and be appalled; but I can't help thinking it makes a lot of sense. I don't support violence or racism - but let's be honest, he is only saying what many people are thinking. Perhaps more than we realise.

James Browne, Shefffield,

come may the 4th the oldgang parties who thought it is their god given right to rule the native britons of this beautiful land are in for one mighty shock.The british people ,decendants of nelson and wellingtons stock ,are no longer going to put up with this multi-culti rubbish any more, woe betide if these greedy politicians fail to see whats coming.

kenny, Chester, Great Britain

My teenage children are earning the minimum wage, less than £10k per year, they cannot afford to buy a house and will not get social housing due to the already ridiculously long waiting lists. The assylum seekers, their friends and relatives and now even the polish are given immediate housing. Most of todays racism is caused by the govenments actions. Far from treating everyone the same, these people are given preferential treatment for fear of repercussions and we, the humble man in the street have our hands tied. There is a definite gang warfare involving guns and knives, currently televised in London due to deaths but is prevalent all over our country with regular stabbings and beatings. Who is going to get a grip on society and help tomorrows citizens because the way things are going it is proving that different cultures cannot live together on the street without violence and we, our families, our pensioners and our children are getting caught in the firing line.

Deborah Holmes, Gainsborough, England

I am kind ,liberal,and compasionate,and because of this I am dismayed as to where mainstream politics is taking us,Nu-lab has given a nod and a winck to evryone on the planet who at the moment is not in possosion of a house or income then make your way here and it will be provided,as this must be half the globe you will not be able to house three billion people on a small island no matter how many homes you build,however Nu-Lab is going to try,but at some point two facts on opposing graphs will meet,an ever growing population on a small limited place and decreasing natural rescources such as water, gas ,electric,etc.It seems unbeleivable to me that politicians can not see or acknowledge such simple basic truths,(look at Bluncketts revelation on newsnight he can not see any limits to immigration) this is an evil waiting to happen and I would feel complicit in it if I were to vote for a party that is determined to bring it about. BNP are making more sense.

sidney, ashford,

I will be voting for the BNP this year in local and national elections.

I do feel that certain sections of our new community are taking advantage of our tolerance to implement an intolerant system based on faith.

I past years I have been proud of this little isle that we would offer asylum to those who were persecuted, but now I am afraid that the government will allow these repressive ideas to take hold in the UK. i.e. we will now pay social security to immigrants who have more than one wife because their culture allows it.

It is time that all of this was stopped and I think the BNP are the only ones strong enough to stop it.

Nic

nic, Dudley, West Mids

If BNP is not racist why does it want immigrants to leave?. Does it mean just the “Darkies” ? ,what about the mix-race?, how many generations will one have to go back to?( Duncan Smith MP has Japanese ancestry). What about the JEWS?, gypsies, the disabled and the mentally ill?. “As a result of PC , the ‘Darkies’ are getting special treatment”. That is why the “coloured” are over represented in the Parliament?, the police?, the judiciary?, the armed forces, the MEDIA? Etc. The poor oppressed white man?.

john wright, luton, engand

It is very sad to see the BNP portrayed as a normal run of the mill party espousing nice, English / Bristish decent values. The BNP leadership are supporters of Far Right parties with Nazi sympathies. Many believe Hitler was right.
They, as he did, play on people's worst fears - blaming a small section for the failings of us as a society.

The one aspect I do agree with in the report is that Labour and the Tories have ignored the views of the general public so driving people into the BNPs arms. I can't comprehend however why the more extreme and downright nasty the views expressed the more column inches and support they attract. I was a Liberal Democrat candidate at the last election. How I would have loved 3 pages to expand on my views, rather than simply being dismissed as a sandal wearing hippy! I don't sit on the fence, I have clear and definite thoughts on how to rebuild this society. They involve being able to make a choice. Something I fear we wouldn't get with the BNP!

Roy Sheward, Birmingham, UK

People should realise that the 50s are over and they're never coming back. I find it laughable that multiculturalism is seen by some as a great evil. 10% of the population is non-white, and half of those live in London. We've all seen the problems there, but even then it's still mostly one ethnic minority.That just leaves the remaining 5% spread around the country. Do people really believe that 5% of the population is taking their jobs, commiting crime whilst simultaneously being responsible for the loss of British culture? Paki poison, interracial rape...I'm only surprised he didn't go on about the Jewish sacrifice of Gentile babies. A few of their policies make sense,but then they have to otherwise they wouldn't be able to gain any support. So people hear what they want to hear and close their eyes and ears to the rest of their hate-filled policies because they want to be patriotic. It's Nazi-lite. And no amount of revisions, apologies or court acquittals will persuade me otherwise.

Maureen, Hull,

There is perhaps a legitimate debate to be had in the UK on Islam and immigration, maybe even a Royal Commission.

A quick check of the credentials of all the leading members of the BNP and their criminal histories, leads me to conclude that they are not the individuals or the party to be involved in such a debate.

I note that the current government are introducing a points based immigration system from next year so, by the BNP's reckoning, we can anticipate the end to all the UK's ills from 2008 onwards.

JC, London,

I am an immigrant and I do agree with some of the views of the BNP. Uncontrolled immigration IS unsustainable, and the constant influx of immigrants will do nothing to promote the Britis identity. I myself find it incredible that asylum seekers and the immigrants who bring their whole family over leech off the welfare state. I also believe that the majoroity of those supporting the BNPshare my views. They/you are not racist, but you just dont want your children to suffer at the expense others just because they are white and British.

The problem is, Nick Griffin and the BNP *were* previously a racist organisation! He has said himsel that he only changed their policy from forceful deportation of immigrants to the encouraging the voluntary exodus of immigrants to garner more votes! I fear that the moderate extremism shown now is merely a front.

Chee, Coventry,

Having read all the comments posted here it is clear to see many people are sick to the back teeth of been ignored and that they don't matter. They feel the three main parties have not listened to their concerns, so they have no where else to turn.

All the liberal PC lefties should hang their heads in shame that they have left so many with little option but to vote for the BNP. Having said that every time i have heard Mr Griffin speak he comes across as a decent person who actually is an intelligent man and not an out an out racist. I do however believe that there are some in the party who are intent on stirring up trouble. I hope Mr Griffin can keep these undesirables in check for his sake...

Carolyn, Yorkshire, England

Wow ! Things have changed, a year, or less, ago, people would have run crying and wringing their hands in self loathing at the merest whiff of a debate like this ! Time moves on . At last the we begin to speak the truth .But too late i fear.

G Ward, London, England

To all you that feel the BNP are so bad WHY is it wrong to be proud of your heritage/culture because you are white my children are brought up to be proud of the fact and that doesnt in anyway make them racist its about time you all become proud and stand up for that otherwise you may not have it to stand up for much longer.. your doing a first class job Mr. Griffin keep it up Great has to be put back in Great Britain My vote always

Linzi, Leeds, GB

Alienated, strangled by political correctness, afraid to speak, my culture destroyed or ridiculed, unable to be English....but I can be British Asian / British African etc etc what did I fight for in WW2? You tell me, because it wasn't this. I will certainly vote for the BNP, until the major parties actually represent the views of the MAJORITY.

K. Wilson, Warminster, England

Kudos to the BNP,you can count on my vote.The Labour government have gone out if their way to destroy BRITISH CULTURE ,i now feel alienated in the land i hold dear to my heart.Thank god for common sense.


Vote BNP.

Ahmed dool, Leeds,

Since when has multi culturalism worked? It is a failed policy by idealistic dreamers.
Look to the former Yugoslavia: Serbs, Croats and Muslims could not live in peace together. Look to Cypress, Greeks verses Turks. Northern Ireland. Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq. All around the world there are examples of different groups that have difficulies coexisting.
So why should immigration work in England. Quite frankly it has not and the indigionous population are getting very fed up with their own politicians (of the major parties) who have let them down. Hence the growing popularity of a party which is prepared to stand up for them.
I see nothing but trouble and resentment growing in an already overcrouded, decaying land.
Glad I got out!

Richard Ward, Greensboro, USA

It seems a bit disenguous for Martin Wingfield to "forget" to mention that he's the editor of the BNP newspaper when posting. Any chance the other BNP activists commenting could be honest about their affiliation, or is that out of the question?

Laurence Clarkson, Kent, UK

Although many of the BNP's policies go beyond the line and have no place in politics many of the issues they raise need to be dabated. Whilst reading the above article i felt myself nodding in agreement with many of the comments made by Mr Griffin and his supporters. I increasingly find it so frustrating that any comment made against multiculturism is seen as racist or right wing. The lack of debate and growth of frustration is dangerous and will surely only lead people to alternatives such as the BNP.

Matthew Connolly, Bradford, uk

On three major issues - immigration, European integration and capital punishment - the views of the British people are treated with contempt by the Establishment.

Darren Wilson, Lancing, England

Protestations of extremism are overdone, and otiose, when one considers that this is a small party with no propsect of attaining power, whereas the untrammelled immigration policy imposed by the present government truly can be characterised as extreme, by any sane standards. We need to concentrate on undoing the consequent damage, without being distracted by the pitiful question (which still preoccupies too many) "What will Mrs Grundy say?"

Stu G, London,

Why, Mr Barnett, aren't you glad Switzerland doesn't have the attitude the BNP has against immigrants?

People are blinded by the BNP in the same way the Germans were by the NSDAP.

starling, Lancaster,

Earing:??? he doesnt wear an earing....

Paul Ison, cambridge, cambs

what a wonderful insight into a true Brit guy like Griffin,..whose views are more in line with the average Dutch and German citizen.
Wonder how Griffin is labeled "a racist" when your average Joe in Holland and Germany speak exactly the same words and are labeled as honest citizens

keylogger times , keyloggersville, uk

God bless the BNP! It's alarming that the country of my ancestors is being overrun by foreigners. No one should apologise for wanting to have his own country. Britain for the British!

William Worsley, Arlington, Virginia

Working in a school on the Isle of Wight, having just helped a collague dragged through a supine management's interrogation after a (disproven in the end) accusation of racial discrimination; a school that banned a high street magazine because it quoted Kipling's poem "Fuzzy Wuzzy" for racism, living opposite a mosque and seeing the difference in Police response times when a "racist" incident is reported against a common or gardan assault; this old Tory will vote the BNP in future.

Billy, Newport, Isle of Wight

Having read all of the comments here, I am shocked to find that so many of those who put their view across actually support and admire Nick Griffin.

I agree that proper, open debate about immigration and multiculturalism is long overdue, but did people not understand some of the things that he was saying?! Can some readers look at comments by him like, 'Paki poison' and seriously consider voting for him? He is clearly a racist and many of his policies are racist.

Do not be deceived by the suits or the intelligent rhetoric.

Excitedrainbow, Basildon,

Could I wote for the BNP? well despite their views on race which I don't agree with, they are the only party that clearly understand the threat posed to this country by Islam and it's agenda to dominate and suppress all it encounters. Until muslims can choose or reject their own faith, without recrimination or death threats for doing so, then Islam needs to be treated as a special case.

I think the time has come to selectively discourage - even ban – Muslim immigration to his country, before we have the lawless Islamic ghettos that plague France and some other parts of Europe, and yes, I would definitley vote for any party that advocated such a policy, even the BNP.

Kevin , worthing, west Sussex

the only alternative to the monumental decline of this country, and to combat the corrupt 'liberal fascist' establishment whom are in the final stages of bertraying their own people to whom ever they believe will enable them to hang on, is to support the BNP

martin , slough,

If it wasn't for the BNP then I reckon I might kill myself. Britain has become a very depressing place to live, for those of us who are it's indigenous folk. So a party for patriots to unite under, led by a statesman like Mr Griffin, is like manna from heaven. Politically correct navel gazers just don't get that they are the minority & not the majority, their arrogance knows no bounds.

Charlotte Lewis, Croydon,

Any 'politician', and I use the term in the loosest possible manner, who can discriminate upon factors such as colour of sexuality (factors which have no influence upon the nature of a person in terms of how they behave as citizens of the country) has no right to any form of power. The problems which the UK currently faces can and will be overcome by understanding and liberalism. Discrimination perpetuates violence and discontent, Nick Griffin is the perpetuator of everything he claims to fight against. I find I cannot accept a single one of his views based upon the hideous hypocrisy which permeates the BNP's ideology.

Rachel Mountain, Leeds, UK

Good reporting. I was born and bred in West Yorkshire but became so repulsed by it's degeneration I moved my whole family to an island in the middle of the north sea. Mr Griffin is the only one telling it as it really is.

DCE, Shetland, UK

Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5h4PFBuzvw

george enock, tunbridge wells, england

It is amazing is it not that those who champion free speech only do so if that 'speech' does not contradict the ruling ideology. A few years ago I would have turned my back on the BNP but the more that the liberal centre/left dnied their voice the more it raised my interest level. Now Iisten to many politicians and social commentators who dare not express anything but the socially-acceptable liberal view on a wide variety of issues. If people try to question (not oppose, just question) that view they are shouted down as racists, sexists, fascists and so on. However, when I ask a range of decent people their absolute private views I can see immediately that they would be labelled racists (or whatever), denied work and so on. Long live Mr Griffin, I salute his courage - and I am someone who not so long ago ceased to be a liberal activist after 30 years. If I have a candidate here then I shall certainly vote BNP.

John, Oxford, UK

Well done to Nick Griffin for a balanced report on the BNP. Though I am against their policies. It is so easy to blame the problems in Britain today on multicultralism. It only applies to Britain it seems not places like America or France. Please! You people have to get over these prejudices there are plenty of hardworking ethnic minorites that deserve the money they make, pay taxes and deserve to be here. Get over your complaints and show some tolerance. If you were to take every non-white from this country it would still go the dogs. Things will only change if we face the real issues. And by the way has Nick Griffin ever met a muslim becasue the majority are law-abiding citizens some more so than those who believe they are truly English.

JM, London, UK

There’s no possible chance of a right wing party on the lines of Le Pen’s National front in France obtaining a sizable vote in England.
Frankly, the English have long since lost their national pride and self respect.
I was brought up in this country when the map of the world was one quarter red.
What one earth happened to a nation that successfully defeated Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler and had such a benign influence of so much of the world.
How can a nation’s character change so radically in just one generation - one I don’t recognise at all.
I can’t imagine the citizens of Britain in the 30’s would have passively accepted being ruled by a corrupt foreign organisation over the water - the sort of state that Hitler envisaged.
Weak willed, pathetic wimps, they’re sleepwalking into oblivion and they deserve to disappear before they embarrass their ancestors even more.

sean dunne, louth,


So there are poorly educated, or overly-naive individuals who can be persuaded to follow a nationalistic herd.

America has rednecks [KKK], Germany has neo-nazis [NSDAP], and Britain has the Bumpkin Nimby Patrol [BNP].


Mark, Woking, UK

I think this article has been a long time in coming but it is very welcome and well done to The Times for presenting it in an unbiased format. From the general consensus of people who I speak to through the course of my work, the vast majority have had enough of England going down the drain. Everywhere you look there are problems relating to violence, fraud, theft etc. If you were to go back say 25 years in time and look at the situation and problems then and now, the main reason for the increase in all of the above is immigration. (Bleat all you want some of you but it is true), Multiculturism doesn't and can't work. Oil and water don't mix and neither do people with opposing cultures and religions. This coupled to a weak government who can only pander to the minority has broken our country and alienated the very people who fought to make it great. The B.N.P seems the only way forward to get the "Great" back in to Great Britain. I for one would definately vote for them.

Mike Jones, Farnborough, Hampshire

This country , and to a greater extent the EU, is now manipulated by a political elite bent on imposing its agenda upon the free world. Big business and 'centrist' politicians have found common cause. Groups like the Bilderbergers try to shape the destinies of nations. Money dictates behind a veneer of democracy ! Meanwhile, communities and individuals feel deceived and alienated.

No wonder people increasingly turn their backs on so called moderate parties ? When latter day parliamentarians are more concerned about their salaries -their guaranteed pensions - their high expenses - their status - their promotion and their legacy . Who speaks for the people ?

I could not support the BNP or its like - but understand why many voters will. Our national patience is wearing thin with Westminster politicians. There is tension everywhere.

Those who govern us - should fear and respect us. Not until then will the renewal of Britain commence !




Dave, Swindon, Wiltshire

The majority of immigrants are from former British colonies. Britain is just reaping what they sowed in the creation of the "Great" British Empire. You can't go around raping and pillaging countries for a century and not expect to pay some sort of price.
Nick Griffin is a dangerous man, as is the BNP, because they appear to be so respectable; Hitler didn't come into promising to eradicate the Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals and other "undesirables" (including alcoholics and bad housekeepers) in a cold, industrial fashion, though this is what he ultimately did. He got into power by promising jobs, stability and a return to "traditional" German values, and the people were duped.
It is horrific and incredibly worrying that this man and this abhorrent party are getting any support.

LB, London,

I have to say that much of what Griffin says I agree with, but I have a personal problem, I am a Black British male who has seen all the good things I grew up with disappear. And I am not alone in this thinking, so where does that leave us in Griffins world.

Colin, London,

We must assume that the major parties in the country want to become the next government..so why do they ALL still fail to hear what the majority want ? Do they think that our patrience is unlimited ? We have seen our country destroyed, we now need to restore and rebuild. If they are too deaf or too stupid to still fail to hear us, we have no alternative but to turn to those who satisfy many, if not all, of our demands. Yes, demands ! We have been betrayed, we now demand restitution, led by a government who represents us. If the BNP is the only party on the voting slip that can do that, then we have no choice but to vote for it. ( If we see a real opportunity to elect a party of action and democracy, instead of sleaze, we may also witness a public revival in interest in our political system...............
...and people like me may be drawn back to our homeland...as it is, I am more free , here, in communist China...where we can celebrate Christmas!

Mid J., Guangzhou, China

The BNP and Griffin are racist in the extreme. This side to their personality they are trying to play down. The only reason they are being taken seriously by so many is that the British people are sick of the way the current government knowtows to a certain minority.

Does this mean that the BNP are the only way to return to a sensible middle ground? I hope not. History shows what happens when racists are elected.

Dan, Hampton, UK

The only thing more chilling about Nick 'Paki poison' Griffin's rant are the number of posts on this site agreeing with him. Is this what it's come to? Chuck all the darkies out, I say and watch the country get back on it's feet. It would lovely to see the whole island collapse and the ecomomy in tatters. Why are posters so dumb as to not understand that immigration and the economy are two sides of the same coin? More people working and spending leads to more prosperity, and yes, perhaps more crime too. But to blame all the ills of this country on the dark-skinned really is beyond the pale. Anyone who votes BNP should remember what they're voting for: hate.

Nasser Raza, High Wycombe, UK

People who support the BNP are so severely disillusioned I almost feel sorry for them. They also no very little about the world, and about human beings, and have zero emotional intelligence.

BNP supporters should realise they are the disgrace to Britain.

Sheeva, London,

As a middle-class, Christian and mostly apolitical person, I find it slightly scary how much of Nick Griffin's agenda I find myself supporting and how few people in this forum are against him. The major political parties have only themselves to blame for creating a country in which we fail to punish criminals, cry 'racism' every time somebody points out some of the problems caused by some minority groups and don't expect immigrants to buy into our society. As a result we give a political toe-hold to the appalling agenda of mass repatriation for some of the more diverse, fascinating and useful people in our country. So please, let's have the main parties pick up the moderate but sensible message in favour of decent traditional British values, before we throw out the baby with the bathwater and have to vote for Mr Griffin.

PS - Please could some people from minority groups post, as your views would be interesting!

Tom McNerney, London, England

A well balanced report that successfully demonstrates why the media tries so hard to to keep the BNP view quiet and distorts the policies that that party has. Most people who have any interest in this country, either its past present and future can not help themselves supporting many of the things the BNP hold dear to them. Its not racist or fascist to want to preserve what OUR for fathers fought, bled and dies for ........... the preservation of OUR way of life ..Quite simply!

Dave Owens, Boston, Lincs

Isnt it nice that the silent majority are waking up to the mess that we now live in High taxes appalling levels of crime ,drug culture britain .Hundreds of thousands of immigrants arriving here .Most of them have zilch in common with us . We have been lied to and brainwashed with for years . Good luck nick griffin and the bnp

MICHAE HARRIS, WEST BROMWICH, ENGLAND

im so glad to read the results of the gallop poll that 8i per cent of london muslims are loyal to briton as i have been very worried about the state of affairs between the west and iran, and if the worst happens and it comes to war i was afraid the english muslims would have sided with iran after seeing the way they called for our death in london over the danish cartoons im sure i will feel more secure now and not as fearful for the future

sue howard, chester, england

If the BNP would just go colour blind they would overwhelmingly devour the vile lot that constitute the ‘three in one’ major parties.
I am sick of Clan politics, bloodline politics and party politics all of which are common to all the 'three in one.'
I can understand Nick Griffin in protecting his party from swamping but he must remember that some people who are not white are the salt of the Earth.
Never the less, I do not blame people for turning to the BNP for salvation. They see themselves at the door of the 'Last Chance Saloon' and they are right.
The biggest racists and bigots in politics today are the ones that surround Downing Street. I just wish they would go home and close the door firmly behind them instead of perpetuating the bloodline nepotism that is Labour. They have turned the corridors of power into the corridors of corruption. We do not need a change of government we need a change of politicians. There are English parties other that BNP that are emerging. Try them!

Fred Forsythe (not the), Worc's,

Interesting to see so little hostile comment about a political/cultural position presented in the usual channels (if at all) as abhorrent. Herein is seen the gulf between the rulers and the ruled, the latter of whom didn't expect to see the bricks from the Berlin Wall used to used construct longer thicker higher walls surmounted with CCTV and barking speakers. Those at the top will not change course willingly, and a Tianamen Square or two can be expected.

Reimer, Derbyshire, England

I feel things in the UK has plunged to such depths in the last 10 years, that despite being ethnic, gay and female I would vote BNP at the next election. I consider myself completely English having been born and spent my entire life here but England has completely lost it's identity. All the current poltical parties appear to have morphed into one and I can't differentiate between them. What I do know is that only the BNP appear to have policies which could rectify things.

I can't see the BNP winning power but if by at least winning a few seats they make the main 3 political parties rethink their policies to deliver what the indigenous population actually wants then I will vote BNP. If however this politically correct, namby pamby situation continues, I like numerous others who actually work and pay taxes will be out of here never to return.

Stephanie, London, England

Hard to argue that England has lost its way and is a mere shadow of the great country it once was. Our ancestors, would be thoroughly disgusted with us for letting the country get into this state.

The best hope is that the people's anger picked up by increased support to the BNP will rub off on the main parties and change the flow of the country's direction. Despite agreeing with several of Griffin's points, there's too much similarity to the arguments of the National Socialists in the early 30's for comfort. The BNP under its present form and leadership cannot be allowed power but some of its causes should.

brian, virginia, usa

I have a friend from Cameroon, a very good friend. He told me: "people say they are not racist,but......& it`s what comes after the" but " that reveals the extent of their hypocrisy ". I declared I`m not racist " but " you can`t deny the existance of some who give good reason to the racists for the way that they live & behave; now where`s the hypocrisy in that ?". He said there isn`t any & no racism either but the same old story of a few who screw it up for everybody else. For some time now some have said enough is enough, but when some say it`s too much will it be too late?

Mike Burkinshaw, Gran Canaria, Spain

Great to see that the media is finally realising that they cannot ignore the views of the hundreds of thousands of people who currently vote BNP. As the numbers grow, the more media coverage the BNP will get.

As a lifelong Tory voter and local canvasser for the Tories, I am so appauled by the liberal swing that David Cameron is making.

Now that the BNP is becoming a legitimate party, I look forward to voting for them.

Martin, Oxford,

I have had the pleasure of meeting Mr Griffin several times. He is always polite and answers any questions truthfully and sincerely. The fact that he is honest does not make him a racist, although often branded as one! I do not agree with all of his views but as stated in this article, neither does his wife!

I make no secret that I am a BNP member nor do I apologise for it. I am very open minded and I found the BNP by simply looking at all the Party's Manifestos and seeing which one I agreed with the most.

Colin Cox, Dundee, Angus, Scotland

This agenda thrilled the 'cleaning lady' on the next table in the down town early morning coffee shop!
As she saw history the ''PC agendas which develop in the process of communities becoming civlised were the prelude to the uprising or arrival of the Vandals, in various forms!
She is fearful for her safety of course!

John, Rotherham,

It's high time Nick awarded himself a substantial pay rise! This is a man that can rake in a six figure salary with his amazing head and solid education. Instead he chooses to represent the British people for peanuts, continuous aggressive, non stop abuse, ridicule, hatred and all at a huge risk of his and his families lives.

Can the same be said for Blair, Brown or Cameron? Make the comparison and remember that when you vote on 3rd of May.

Simon Bennett, Bude, Cornwall

Those in 'government' in the broadest sense of the word - whether local, national, incumbent, opposition, politicians or administration - have long since forgotten that they are, in fact, our SERVANTS. While increasingly lording it over every aspect of our lives. And that's a major reason why the BNP is growing in its appeal.

GC, Harrogate, UK

I agree with many of the BNP supporters: this is a nuanced article that was largely free of any political bias and lets the facts speak for themselves in condemning Griffin as just another opportunistic charlatan. However, the supporters' comments betray their ignorance in two ways:
1. In spite of being supposedly "real" British citizens, the messages of the BNP supporters are full of grammatical and spelling errors. Note to patriots: learn to master the English language yourself before holding non-native speakers to standards that you do not satisfy.
2. Most BNP supporters conclude that the article presents Griffin in a favourable light. By contrast, careful reading indicates his superficiality (viz., the comment about chicken tikka masala, which is in fact not an authentic Indian dish), his manipulation of the facts to take advantage of people who are afraid of change (e.g., ignoring the poll that British Muslims are more loyal to the UK than non-Muslims), and his paranoia.

Afzal, Trondheim, Norway

"Nightmares and Dreams do not follow the rules of political correctness." Werner Herzog
I think we all need to support Mr Griffin. Thank you for your courage.

John, Oxford, UK

No matter what stance English nationalism takes the media always labels it "right wing".

The English Democrats Party is the rational voice of English nationalism but is constantly lumped in with the "far right" and its efforts suppressed. Therefore, people are only now learning about the party. When they find out about the English Democrats they dump the BNP.

The BNP says nobody who is not white can be English. Labour, Liberal Democrats and Tories say nobody can be English.

I would rather have an English bloke like Ian Wright standing shoulder to shoulder with me for England than "fellow Brits" like Gordon Brown or John Reid bagpiping down to Westminster to vote through laws affecting England which do not affect their voters in Scotland.

Only in English schools is "Britishness" being rammed down schoolchildren's throats.

I am English - and never will be British.

Stephen Gash, Carlisle, England - there'll always be one

Mr Griffin, Please make it later rather than the sooner.
Keep up the great work for all of us.
WE THANK YOU.

Barnsley, Nationalists, South Yorkshire

Congratulations to the Times for a fair piece of reporting. If only the BBc could be persuaded to act similarly and tone down their constant multi-cultural propaganda.
The English are amongst the kindest people in the world but they are so gullible.
I feel so sorry for second world war veterans who fought for us and must now wish that Germany had won.

Mike Beesley, Worthing, England

Recently a pleasant hard working young lady of my acquaintance applied to join the West Midlands Police. She had a proven track record of responsible hard work.
She was rejected.
Today I learn the Police are pondering adopting a postive discrimnation recruitment policy.
You tell me where it will end. Times Columnists ?

Peter Bolt, Redditch, UK

Fact is, many (more) people will vote for fringe parties out of sheer desperation and frustration with the mainstream parties. New Labour is obviously due for a spell on the Opposition benches, yet the revitalised Tories still don't seem to have any coordinated message to the nation. As for the Lib Dems, no one, I believe, takes them seriously at the moment while dear old Ming is at the helm. Therefore, the simplistic message of the BNP starts to appeal to voters' base desires, even though many would find the details of what the BNP might achieve abhorrent. Although the devil is in the detail, many voters will just grit their teeth and mark their cross anyway, if only in the forlorn hope that at last the mainstream parties will start to wake up and smell the coffee.

Mike Mitchell, Spalding, England

Griffin is right, "most Brits would support his policies" if they were adopted by any of the main parties.

COLIN , Hong Kong,

Yes reasonable sensible article by the Times, i'm not sure of the stat that you threw in about 81% of muslims pledging loyalty to Britain. You could have mentioned that 50% want sharia law in Britain. But in general I should imagine you've presented the party fairly enough to expect fallout from Searchlight and the "anti-facsist" lobby. So i praise the newpaper and the journalist responsible's integrity.

It's interesting from the article also that Nick griffin admits that he has too much "past baggage" to lead the BNP actually to Government. I think this is probably true. Though I wonder how many times Searchlight can rely on quotes going back tens of years to scupper the current party.

david whittaker, eastbourne, England

Ignoring the BNP is no longer an option. It's about time we had a (genuinely) free and open debate about multiculturalism. Do we really need it? What EXACTLY are the benefits?

G Bauer, Norwich,

Nick Griffin is one of the very few politicians in Britain today with the true welfare of the British people as his motivation . Our political classes have been in decline for the last sixty years and have almost reached rock bottom , they cannot go much further surely , before they begin to return to sanity but by then it may be too late to save the nation . I pray that Nick Griffin will one day , soon ,be rewarded for his patriotism and bravery , he surely deserves it . A true political "Man of the people " and certainly in touch with their hopes and aspirations .

D.Harcombe, Llandeilo,

The rise of the BNP is, alas, the inevitable consequence of the Government's refusal over the last ten years to allow proper public debate of such issues as immigration and multiculturism. In a democracy people have the right to express their fears without being derided as racists, fascists or - crowning insult - Conservatives. You do not change people's minds by enforcing silence on them; you simply drive them into the arms of extremists.

Terry Dickon, St Ives, England

martin fletcher, like so many well meaning but incredibly naive english people is accepting of multiculturalism because he equates it with what is good and tolerant in the world, but he simply cannot see, or refuses to, that the downside of this elitist ideology that nick griffin speaks of, is not simply that there are groups of newcomers who look a wee bit different, rather, it is the destruction of the native culture to make way for the incoming foreign culture and the ethnocide of the native population by way of race-mixing, which will result in the loss of the native ethnic and national identity. clearly martin fletcher cares nothing for his own ethnic identity and culture, but that does not mean he has the right to deny others the right to care, and fight for a future for their own civilization in their own land. if the english don't stand up for themselfs that future will not exist.

darryn, dunedin, new zealand

Brilliant article and a brilliant newspaper. Thank you.
Vote BNP!

Brian, Liverpool, England

The argument is topical throughout the Western world today and deserves some thought. In many ways, I, a Catholic of Italian ancestry living in the Mediterranean, am the antithesis of the Englishman Griffin wants to reclaim Britain for. Nonetheless, through voracious reading, I came to love the nation and culture bracketed by Alfred the Great and Margaret Thatcher. When I visit the UK, I do so to enjoy and experience the country of Alfred, Harold, William, Chaucer, Shakespeare, Spenser, Milton, Wellington, Nelson, Scott, Dickens, Wilde, Tolkien, Chesterton, Churchill, Thatcher and the whole constellation of great men and women who blessed the entire world, not just the British Isles. Instead, I find a nation and a people that have forgotten the hallowed names outlined above, I find a country that has forgotten its culture and its past and is mired in a million alien cultures. If immigrants refuse to integrate and assimilate a country's traditions, they have no place there.

Joe Debono, Lija, Malta

You only have to realise that by reading this Nick Griffin is in fact a very throroughly decent Englishman. So what can be said of other BNP members such as myself. May I suggest that anyone who so wishes may spend two days with 98% of BNP members, and I am sure your views on the Party will change. We are decent hard working British folk and are no longer scared by the press to acknowledge our association and support for the British National Party.

Nick Griffin is a true leader, a man of honour and courage.

A very decent piece of jouralism also, a breath of fresh air. Not the stale stench of corruption we are used to - well done!

Simon Bennett, Bude, Cornwall

I never would have thought the day would come when I would find some commonality with such a group. There are many proposals middle Briton would never agree with but many others they would

Labour & the left do stifle debate on any topic such as immigration, Muslims & homosexualtiy by shrilly using the race card. Brits are too self affacing & polite to stand up for ourselves when this occurs. Labour does spend too much of our high taxes on immigrants, lay-abouts & foreign charity when many in this country, especially the old suffer

I disagree with Griffin in that Sikhs, Jews, Hindu's etc are law abiding, retain their culture but are British, they add so much to British culture. We do however have problems with immigration & Muslims, am I a racist?

I am in my 30s & a conservative but dont see how Cameron can turn this around, in order to do anything he must be in power & there are too many voters who Labour has bought with benefits for that to happen without moving to the left

Paul Phillips, London,

“It’s clearly worth talking in terms of six-figure sums to persuade families to go.” Where is the £billons for millions of immigrants to leave coming from?. It means slashing budgets on health, education, police (cutting crime?), prisons (locking up criminal?) and border police (cutting illegal immigrants?). At the same time BNP wants to CUT TAXES and LAMENT THE CLOSURE OF HOSPITALS.
If Immigrants don’t want to leave; will they be excluded from work, public places and schools and wear “I” badge.
Who will look after the increasing aging population and pay for their NHS and care home costs?.

White men are second-class citizens and their culture is being supplanted?.The symbols of Britain have always been the union flag, Britannia, the lion and national anthem “God save the king/queen”.The Queen is the head of Church of England, House of Lords has 26 Church of England bishops, religious holidays are Christian, Sunday is the day of worship.People swear an oath on the bible.

Tom blanc, london, uk

I find the best way to dissaude people from voting BNP,is to tell them the true views of the party.Mark Collett leader of the young BNP stated on the Dispatches programme on channel four "I honestly cant understand how a man who's seen the inner city hell of Britain today can't look back on that era (of Nazi Germany)with a certain nostalgia".Collett was not removed from the part,and continued to be a regional organiser.The above lines were a rare and nieve showing of honesty from a party who try desperately to hide their true views.There is much on "you tube",that reveals this true ideology.This isn't a party merely concerned with immigration,it is a group of people with a far,more sinister plan for Britain.Don't be fooled by suits,and carefully rehersed lines.These so called patriots,are not too happy with the outcome of World War Two,or the many heroes (Russian US black Indian or even white British) who died to stop evil.

Rob Levy, Manchester, UK

Just who is the extremist when Ray Honeyford as one of many has been forced from his livelihood for saying the truth, and who is the extremist when goverment policy has been to shut down debate and free speech in what is supposed to be a democracy, Imagine the rightfull consequences if BNP set it self up as the arbitter of what politically corect views we were forced to have. The democratic wishes of the people have been ignored by our "representatives",

sidney, ashford,

It is truly frightening that a party with such stances enjoys considerable support. Even if some of their stances are acceptable, others should fill the average citizen with disgust.

It is shocking the extreme right in Britain today so closely resembles Nazi Germany. Extreme right parties in Holland have come out of a reaction of fear regarding Islam only; they uphold modern values such as gay marriage which they consider a cornerstone of liberal Dutch society (and democracy) that needs to be protected from the influences of Islam.
To see such a truly conservative extreme right party in Britain today is deeply worrying.

Erik, The Hague, Holland

The BNP will do increasingly well for perfectly respectable and non-racist reasons.
1. Immigration. We are greatly over populated as house prices and strains on public services demonstrate.
The main parties, and politically correct civil servants, have no intention of enforcing what weak controlls we have.
2. Multiculturalism. This positively encourages an apartheid outlook, with the indiginous people at the end of the queue for everything from social housing to preservation of traditions.
3. Islam.

There are plenty of well integrated black and brown Britons who share my views.

Martin Bright, Bracknell, Berks

I am a second year Law student. The BNP will have my vote. Having observed the party as closely as i could for the past four years i am satisfied that the party is making strong progress towards a popular nationalist position. Griffin deserves a chance to show his party for himself without being forced through the courts and the relentless persecution from the tabloids. To say that multi-culturalism has enriched Britain is naive.

J Hulme, Nottingham, England

"The BNP would deport all illegal immigrants"

It wouldn't have to if the government did its job and got tough with them. But it won't, will it?

This government may bewail the rise of the BNP, but it has only itself to blame.

Martin, Hereford, England

I agree wholeheartedly with the BNP, we are loosing our Country, I for one would come home if they get in, just one thing bothers me and thats the hanging issue, countless people have been fixed up by the police for crimes the did not commit, we cannot allow hanging( which i agree with) untill their is an absolute foolproof system in place to prove guilt.

Mr Barnett, Stein am Rhein, Switzerland

Having being present at the British National Party meeting in Batley on 11th April 2007 where Martin Fletcher was taking notes at the back of the room, I too was noting what he wrote out of a full 3 hour speech. He has obviously chosen his own views and not a honest overall report. When Nick Griffin mentioned breaking bad laws Mr Fletcher's pencil almost set his note pad afire, however the majority of Nick Griffin's speech including a questions & answer forum, was positive rather than negative, which has gone unreported. Nick Griffin is approachable and straight talking which is a rare commodity in politics.

Sharon Towers, Dewsbury, England

The British National Party is the patriotic choice for Englishmen sick of seeing their country destroyed by high taxes, rising crime, multiculturalism, and the destruction of the social fabric. Nick Griffin is a great hero for the British people.

Chris Epstein, Livingston, New Jersey

I am a life long time labour voter who has experienced first hand the Labour movements lack of interest in white Britons such as myself. On May 3 i shall be happy to switch my vote for the BNP as I refuse to accept that I should be marginalised in my own country.

D Smith, richmond,

If you stopped and looked at what our country has become you would all agree we don't get on.

This is our land they have their land and never the twain should meet.

Dennis, London,

Well done for portraying the leader of the BNP as a human being instead of a fascist monster. Interesting too that Martin Fletcher dared to report that BNP supporters are not rent-a-chav bovver merchants after all! We are, in most instances, well-behaved well-educated and well-bred; we've also had enough pc nonsense and government spin from Noooo Labour to last us a lifetime. What's wrong with wanting to preserve British culture and heritage for our descendants? This is NOT Britistan, it's the United Kingdom and imo immigrants should be given only two options - swear allegiance to this country or get back on the boat......

Jay, Ipswich, England

Nick Griffin's wife is right to call her husband a "hopeless romantic", as his view of England seems to stem from an imagination free from the constraints of reality; so too, I believe, are the people prepared to vote for him and his like. If he thinks that ridding these shores of all the non-white faces is the solution then presumably there wasn't a problem before they arrived? Except: While they might say now: "all the immigrants are taking our jobs" before it was probably a case of , "I'm stuck in this menial dead-end job because I'm being repressed by all the wealthy and privileged, just wait till the revolution comes"; While now PC dictates that people can't call someone a nasty four letter word, it just means they have to use some of the seven or eight letter ones they learnt when they were receiving a free state education - courtesy of liberal policies and tax payers. And is the 4% Muslim minority really in a position to take over? Vote BNP? Come on, get real!

Cirep G Nol, london,

i think that the bnp are becoming a major threat,i live in blairs constituancy and people around here are sick of our country being given away and free loaders arriving by the thousands.i say go mr griffin and stand up for the british people because we are so self indulgant that we cannot see that it is people like you who can save this once great nation.

ian moore, spennymoor,

Fair reportage (about time) of a decent man on the most decent mission imaginable.

The British Nationalist, as exemplified by Nick Griffin, is attempting the rescue of those whose decency, fair-mindedness, tolerance and respect for others has been (and still is being) taken incalculable advantage of by a sinister elite that has used the Marxist tool of political corectness to instill a wholly undeserved sense of guilt into the finest people on the planet. The actions and behaviours of the PC crowd over the last 50 years precisely demonstrate that THEY only ever had the WORST interests of the British people at heart.

Jack Black, London, England

Congratulations on an honest reporting and the courage to address the serious immigration issues that Labour and the Conservatives are ignoring.
If the BNP make a strong showing in the may elections, the hand wringing liberals who have caused such unease have only themselves to blame.

Steve Michael, Kent,

It is interesting that there are people in power in the Northern Ireland Assembly today who have been convicted of quite awful crimes but whom the media talk about in measured terms and who are considered morally acceptable to run the province. Yet Nick Griffin, whose crimes seem far less reprehensible is constantly 'bad mouthed' by the media. Indeed one senses there is a concerted effort by the media (The Times excepted) to mount a propaganda campaign against him. I find it interesting the media find it acceptable to embrace those who have killed and maimed innocent people on the basis of extreme sectarian views but that Nick Griffin, who as far as I know has never hurt anyone, is unacceptable because of his views on race.

Dr Kevin Law, Dundee, UK

he's got my vote

James, Reading,

It's sickening that far right ideologies like the BNP's and Islam are growing in strength in this country.

The double standards shown to these almost indistinguishably awful ideologies are also nauseating.

mark johnson, Edinburgh, UK

I know Nick G, he is a decent, hard working, Honest, Proud, intelligent, Family man - all of this should preculde him from Westminister :-) On a more serious note, Nick has to courage to point out the obvious, that this country is in very serious trouble and something needs to be done. Whilst I dont accpet all of his views I do believe he is sincere and does care about the future of this once great Nation. God Bless you Nick

Steve Burns, Wokingham, Berkshire

Does Nick Griffin even realise that St George was Turkish?!

David, London, United Kingdom

The three main political parties have for years treated the majority of voters with contempt whilst sucking up to ethnic minorities and other pressure groups.

Perhaps a good kicking in the polls will remind these worthless politicians that we are still around.

D. Hardy, Manchester,

So the Holocaust didn't happen,the Americans and the UK have not invaded Iraq will be the next claim.I think Martin you have it,he can go back to his pigs any time he wants.I hope he does not come to Bath!

Tony Barrett, Bath, Somerset

My Husband and I are leaving England, sick to death of what it is becoming.
People should vote BNP, let's stop being a sissy state, We used to be called Great Britain

Mrs G Leake, Wetherby, England

One day there will be a well-balanced and objective article about the BNP. You won't find it here though.

tobias, London, England

The National Front imploded under Margaret Thatcher. Exactly. Wat we need is an ethical Margaret Thatcher to do for our degenerating society what Mrs Thatcher did for our degenerating economy. Though multiculturalism is part of the problem it is not the root of it, and we can't blame immigrants for our divorce rate.

Malcolm McLean, Bradford, UK

The policies of the BNP and Nick Griffin worry me a hell of a lot less than the Blair/Cameron vision for England.We differ slightly on the Union issue but overall they have my support.

Terry, Radstock, England

A fairly even handed view of the BNP for a change. To those who ceaseless promote multiculturalsm, I would ask why it is not an appropriate in India, China, Africa, Indonesia, Mexico, Syria, Egypt - the list goes on. Try to move to one of these countries if you are English - you can't. Why is it only the white west that needs to be "diverse"? The white population of the world was 30% of the total in 1960. It is now less than 10%. What is wrong with wanting to preserve european ethnicity and culture?

Jacob Bloomenthal, London,

This is groundbreaking journalism.

A report on the British National Party without the constraints of the National Union of Journalists (NUJ) guidelines on covering the BNP.

Let's hope where The Times leads other newspapers will have the courage to follow.

Martin Wingfield, Carlisle,

I remember Enoch Powell a past British politician saying the same thing as Nick Griffin over 30 years ago about the problems of Britains Immigration policy. He was branded a racist at the time but he has been proven to be right if you look at Britain today. Nick Griffin says what a lot of people think and not only in Britain but in their own respective countries where the same thing is happening as in the United Kingdom.

Paul Martin, Brisbane, Queensland Australia

The merest hint of a debate about immigration prompts accusations of racism; the very real grounds for concern over the pernicious influence of islam are met with accusations of 'islamophobia;' calm doubts over the wisdom of multiculturalism are met with the presumption that the doubter is "speakin gout of fear, or hatred." As a white man with a black wife, I can only feel disgust at the BNP - yet also feel frustration at the weakness and shallowness of mainstream politicians (and the pointless pollwatchers in the media) who have shut down necessary debate. It is this silencing - this policing of thought - that makes the BNP stronger. It is a potentially catastrophic error.

Nick, Rotherham, Yorks

We have 6 BNP councillors in Epping Essex. They are all hard working and approachable. We have 2 Jewish councillors, Pat and Tom Richardson . Pat is on 13 committees even though she has a special need son. She is tireless, and a lovely person. Since these councillors where elected the police are more in evidence, and people feel safer.
Most people l speak to will be voting BNP at these local elections. The truth is you can't afford not to.
Sylvie. Essex.

Sylvie, Ilford, Essex

Griffin comes across as both intelligent and articulate. His strategy is sensible and well-thought out.

He focuses on the issues that knows that voters can get behind - increased toughness on crime, immigration, etc., and leverages the latent paranoia of traditionalist Britain.

At that same time he waters down the more extreme views of the BNP, presenting them in a palatable way, making them more acceptable, or at least more forgivable, to voters who would not otherwise stomach them.

The BNP has realised that all they really need is the thin end of the wedge - to be taken seriously, and if that means that they have to water down their policies for the time being, then that's a small price to pay for legitimacy.

Its an good strategy, but if you look, you can still see the tips of the iceberg. We may be seeing paranoia, rather than hatred, but the result is just as poisonous.

Underneath all the rhetoric, the world he wants remains utterly chilling.

Chris, Derby, UK

Vote BNP thats what this country needs - I hope they win lots of seats.

deborah keay, manchester, england

It is revealing to contrast some of the views posted here -

"I as a young, white, middle class Briton will fight to the death for my multicultural Britain"

"If Civil war is what it takes to return Britain to the British - then so be it."

While the situation is now becoming so unstable that civil war can no longer be ruled out, these views suggests that the greatest enmity is between native people with opposing views. So far the pro-immigration view has prevailed with ruthless success, as, despite being the minority view, it has enjoyed decisive state support. Now, although the tide is turning, we still have to live with the daily and very disturbing consequences of mass immigration, which cannot be undone and which many people will not forgive. I suspect that the (admittedly dwindling) band of hardcore pro-immigration reactionaries will also not forgive being proved so catastrophically wrong, and will fight tooth and nail for the right to re-write history in their favour.

Stu G, London,

Seems like a perfectly decent chap to me, and lets face it, you only have to look at the backgrounds of the leaders of the "allowed" parties to see that they were too involved in allsorts. I think we must take the man as he is now, and I guess I would rather have a man who supported pro-British organisations like Griffin did, than former Communist party members as were Bliar/Brown and most of the other now "respectable" Labour politicians. the proof of the pudding is that most of the things Griffin had warned about have now come to pass, so does that make him a liar or a person with common sense?, which is why the LibLab=Con are ganging up on the BNP, i mean for goodness sake, what have politics come too in this counry when Dave Cameroon goes on mainstream tv and advises a potential BNP voter to vote for Labour instead?. Time for a new broom!.

Daniel Levinson, Glasgow,

For so long the political establishment has ignored the silent majority. Because of this we find ourselves unable to protest in case we are accused of an "ism"of some sort.

i dont agree with everything the bnp stands for, or would seem to stand for, but if the political establishment dont wake up then a lot more people with find the bnp's arguments very compelling.

billy, livingston,

The BNP is typically portrayed as an opportunist party seeking to take advantage of people's fears. This is much like saying the suffragettes were taking opportunist advantage of the failure to enfranchise women....The BNP is a response to extraordinarily rapid and profound change in this country (and to England in particular). In the past it has said many unpleasant things and attracted unpleasant people to it. This is no longer the case - as this excellent article makes plain.

As the BNP has grown it has welcomed ex-Tories and ex-Lib. Dems as well as ex-Labour supporters - which in turn has permitted the development of a much more sophisticated response to the problems this country faces. Some BNP members have views which would have been regarded as belonging to the centre-left of the Tory party of Lady Thatcher's day but which have been abandoned by Mr Cameron. The BNP has embraced change not out of opportunity but out of duty - to coin a phrase 'there is no alternative'.

david Lovibond, devizes, england

The BNP is not anti-Jewish and has Sikh supporters.
It has a Jewish Councillor Pat Richardson. (Get your fact right.)

So cut the NAZI nonsence. Hitler was a National Socialist which is a left wing race based ideology. Winson Churchill was the greatest Nationalist this country ever had.
Of course,it will have some members inspired by Hitler but thay are few in number. Most of the BNP supporters I have blogged with are perfectly respectable concerned Christian people who want the country to stay that way.

Labour have created a big problem by being soft on immigration and have squandered British culture for some multi-cultural pipe dream.

Enough is enough,

I know alot of people who intend voting BNP.
Vote Cameron and get more of the same!

raz, Glasgow,

How on earth could the BNP force our people to return from overseas ?( comment A Jones)
However, if some of the problems which caused many of our brightest and best people to emigrate in the first place were solved by the BNP, then it is possible that some skilled net contributors to society would return.
In any event, the BNP does not have to win the election to change things - all they need is to have a few members elected to parliament. As nothing motivates our Current MP's like the danger of losing their own place at the trough, the election of BNP members would send shockwaves through the establishment, forcing them to face facts which ordinary mortals are already well aware of.

tdummelow, birmingham, uk

It is quite obvious why the BNP can win votes- particulary in working class areas.
The more affluent you are the more likely you are to benefit from immigration- immigants will nanny your kids, iron your shirts, harvest your fields, hand wash your car and also rent your buy to lets. Immigration has without a doubt helped to keep a lid on inflation and bring proper. However if you move a mile or two away from the high brow areas you will see that large sections of british born people are not prepared to go to work for such low wages and blame all their problems on hard working immigrants. Being a hard working british born person who is not middle class I suppose I see this from a completely neutral point- I do not reap the benefits of immigaration nor do I resent immigrants for being here. I am a fan of sensible politics but unfortunately there is not much on offer, labour's management of immigration has made them cannon fodder for anyone in the UK - not just BNP supporters.

Phil Mooney, west malling, kent

The only Party that can save our Country!

John Robertson, Cleethorpes, England

The chattering and political classes have no idea of the difficulties faced by the already most deprived members of our communities, who find themselves pushed further and further back in the queue for housing, education and every other service. The PC brigade whole-heartedly support anyone who stands up for an ethnic minority--but deplore those who wish to support the ethnic majority. Racist abuse and attacks are ignored if the victim is white, but any minor complaint is vigorously pursued when the complainer is Muslim.
Freedom of speech should not be one sided.

Jean M Purdy, Manchester,

In your strapline, you quote a Labour minister 'warning of th dangers of immigration'. You can be sure that he would not be uttering such hypocritical cant were it not for the very real threat the the BNP poses in its heartlands, where they are now the official opposition. Labour has abandoned its traditional support in the white working class, in favor of sucking up to the rising immigrant demographic. They are now reaping the 'rewards'. Nick Griffin is a hero; he dares to utter truths that others are too cowed to embrace

Rhory Fraser, London, UK

The BNP, like the Front National in France, prospers on the many lies the media and political correctness, keep repeating (Immigration is not only unavoidable but beneficial to Britain, Islam is a religion of Peace and love, Everything from poor countries is good, everything from Birtish or Christain origin is bad, ...). Everybody who dares to question the pros and cons of immigration, is at once branded a racist. The only thing the BNP lacks compared to its French counterpart, is a charismatic leader.

Frederic Dodin, Cambridge, Cambs

Nick griffin is giving British people a voice, he's doing a great job.

The main political parties have betrayed the British people so thoroughly that many people see the only alternative is the BNP.

Given the deceipt of the current PM and the fact that Dave Cameron will say anything he thinks will get him votes, I think most people distrust the two main parties.

That Dave Cameron will tell a voter to vote labour rather than vote BNP says it all. The main parties have an agenda which serves the same few people, and the British people will be ignored.

PC madness has been embraced by all main parties and it leaves indigenous White Brits in a dangerous position.

The BNP have certainly got my vote in future elections!

Lesley, Devon, UK

I wonder what would happen if we placed Mr. Griffin in one of the poorest regions fo Eastern Europe, Africa or the Middle East. My guess is that he wouldn't last a week before he was fratically trying to do everything in his power to escape.
Now I wonder if afterwards he's still be able to harpoon others for doing the same.

The 'enemy' isn't the desperate refugee who only wants a better life, it's the corrupt govrnment that causes him to flee. It's the privates companies, schools and other services which divided the whole of society, in to the 'haves' and 'have nots'.
It doesn't take a huge leap of logic to realise that if the BNP members actully sat down and talked to those they're so desperate to condem, they'ld actually find they have more than a little in common,

Talking, it's quite, it's civilised, some would even say it's BRITISH. It's the most powerful tool we as humans have. It seperates us from the animals. Talking & empathy.

Niether seem to be in large supply.

Lizzie Houghton, Liverpool, Merseyside

I have to say that Nick Griffin knows absolutely what he is talking about. How would British immigrants be treated in a Muslim country? Would they be able to protest about the wickedness of Islam, and then burn the flag of that country on the streets? Would that country tolerate and nourish that hatred the way Britain does? Political correctness is one thing, but when it makes a British citizen second-class to so-called "political" refugees and illegal immigrants, then something is clearly wrong.

Neville Devanney, Doncaster,

I would advise Nick Griffin to rebrand to NewBNP to remove the baggage of the past and make them more acceptable.
I agree with all but the most extreme of their policies, not wishing harm to anyone, but wanting Britain to maintain its national character and society. I do not want to see areas which have become 'whiteflight' areas because the numbers of immigrants are overwhelming and have changed parts of Britain into foreign lands. Even Government minsters, venturing from their offices for once, have said that the change is 'gobsmacking'.
Good luck to the BNP. If all it does is shut the open door on immigration, it will have done us all a service.

D Holley, Southend, UK

The main political parties have betrayed us for years and a backlash will surely come.

When Dave Cameron told a voter to vote Labour rather than for the BNP Cameron made it clear that there is very little difference between Labour and Tory, both parties of which have brought us to the mess we are in now.

Nick Griffin has done a great job in building up the BNP to what it is today. He's got my vote!

Lesley, Devon, UK

This is the danger of reporting on the BNP. As the above comments indicate, when an article fails to mention the disgusting underbelly of the party and allows Griffin to set his calculated agenda, people are going to see him "as making a lot of sense".

Griffin is a very clever man, he knows exactly which buttons to push to get sections of British society to start sympathising with him. There is no evidence of a coordinated or widespread phenominon of Muslims raping white women in Yorkshire yet Griffin continues to wheel this idea out, playing on an understandable yet misconceived Islamophobia spreading throughout the country.

I agree, to ban the BNP and banish them from the press would probably be counterproductive. However, an article like this should take Griffin up on some of the rediculous claims of his party, if only in the name of good and fair reporting.

Mylos Smith-Jones, Leeds, UK

Not much to disagree with there. If Civil war is what it takes to return Britain to the British - then so be it. Anything is better than the cancer that is spreading through this once proud country.

J GRAY, Lincs, UK

THE OLD MAN ON THE MOUNTAIN

In response to another article in the TimesOnline, I commented that one cannot help but get the impression that Great Britain today is a quietly rumbling volcano....waiting to explode!

This article confirms that view, however I would now leave out the word "quietly".

WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES...pun intended!

Sometimes history engulfs us...sometimes it pases us by
and we are not even aware of what has happened. On a few occasions we are in the privileged (?) position of being like the Old Man On The Mountain....watching history unfold before us in the valley below.

A. G. Gumbs, Glendale Heights, USA /IL

The article is well written, well presented, and well reasoned. Personally I am against the BNP purely on ideological grounds, and would rather see them disolve into the background like the league of Fascists and other extremists groups.
unfortunatley they appeal to the side of humanity that is xenophobic and reactionary which is within us all, and they message tries to bring out the worst in us, without us realising.

I can see the appeal of 50% of the BNP's message, which I agree with, but the idea that multi cultural Britain is the worst thing going is beyond the pail. Yes Islamic extremism is eroding our trust in the Muslim diasphora, but ultimately we benefit by having a melting pot society. We all enjoy the fruits of their labout, whether they be Poles, Afghans, Turks, Pakistani's, Phillipino's, or Americans. We need them more than ever as we strive for growth and a stable future.
The only thing that needs to change is extremism of all varieties.

Rachel, York,

I completely disagree with racism and had previously written the BNP off as a racist party, however I have to admit that reading this article I was very surprised. A lot of what Nick Griffin said made a lot of sense and was clearer straight talking about the problems and threats faced by this country than potentially any of the other politicians I have ever heard. Apart from what he says about the holocaust, which whilst being stupid didn't merit a jail sentence, I found myself agreeing with much of what he had to say.
The numbers of asians and muslims in this country is actually quite worrying, as is the ethnic minority related crime figures and it's about time somebody addresses the question of immigration honestly.

Louise, London,

What this government fails to understand is that the relentless campaign against racism and prejudice in any form and its obsession with positive discrimination simply fans the flames of the BNP and also racist elements in the Black and Asian community who take advantage of it. It also does a huge disservice for the ordinary decent British citizens in Black and Asian communities who have no desire to attempt to hijack 'British culture' but are then thrown in with the radical elements at the drop of a hat. Multiculturalism can work and I as a young, white, middle class Briton will fight to the death for my multicultural Britain to work. But to do this we must first all toughen up and drop this silly fear of trying not to offend anyone we come across. Each culture must be treated equally and fairly and at the moment this simply is not happening for the terrifying fear of a phantom idea of racism which, in its very conception, is deeply racist within itself.

V, Somerset/London,

I find it difficult to disagree with much of what Nick Griffin says in the article. His most pertinent point was that if the BNP was not called the BNP most people would vote for it.

Much of his rhetoric is simple common sense and based on that they would certainly get my vote. The worry, however, is what would actually happen if the BNP were to win significant political power. What would happen to my gay, black or asian friends? Would they be left to their own devices provided they behave as the decent civilised human beings that they are, or would there be persecution on a grandios scale. of course the only reason they would succeed in the latter is our current governments reduction of the power of the House of Lords.....

.......congratulations to Tony Blair for taking advantage of most peoples ignorance and creating an elective dictatorship

Patrick Bateman, london,

An interesting and even-handed report.

The rise of the BNP is hardly surprising, bearing in mind that immigration policies have been carried out for decades with little or no thought for their long-term consequences. An example is my home town of Leicester, which in 40 years has seen an enormous population shift -- a 2006 visit to my childhood suburb showed not a single white face.

The rights or wrongs of this are not the issue -- what is important is that the main parties have bulldozed through immigration policies without public discussion or agreement.

DJ, Aylesbury, UK

Thank God for the BNP.The faster they grow the better.

iain elsby, sandy-beds, England

excellent reporting. thank you.

graham , dubai, UAE

More and more I find what the BNP is about makes sense. I know their history and I know they have many sinister elements inside their party. But then so does Labour. The difference is that the BNP is actually talking about issues that affect day-to-day life and how much things have changed, mostly for the worse. Let's be clear: our government has followed a policy that sees the UK as a globalised economy, not a nation. In theory that is fine, but in practice it is utterly unworkable and is the road to turmoil.

Bob Franks, Manchester,

The more is hear from the BNP, the more i find i want to vote for them.

James Pharon, Maidstone, England

This is awful. Everyone who uses the tired cliche about "PC" censors seem to lack the capacity for original thought. People are allowed to say what they want and they do. "Paki poison"? Come, the biggest share of crime comes from working class whites. As do the biggest problems of poverty and bad education. There are genuine problems of deprivation in England. However blaming immigrants, when they have done no wrong, won't solve anything. Do people really want more Facism?

Shankar, Coventry,

I agree with Pauline. Although I am not a supported of BNP policies and political thought (or lack thereof), their voice needs to be accounted for as an increasing population feels best represented by them. That, in itself, is a real threat to modern Britain - perhaps more so than other extremist groups.

Thanks for an insightful article.

Filip, London, UK

A great report, but a shame you can't do your maths - 50x10,000 is 500,000, not 5 million.

Ian, Chesterfield,

In addition to sponsoring of the repatriation of non whites from the UK will the BNP also force "our people " to return from overseas? Recent statistics show that there are more Brits living abroad than there are non-British living in the UK. So an even handed approach to their policies may not help to redue the intense use of reources in this country.

A Jones, London,

Well done all concerned with this report. Lets have more honesty and let us then decide on how this country can move forward. At the moment the Political Class has abused the system and we are all going pay for it. One thing for sure is that between Blair, Brown and Cameroon, there is virtually no difference and none of them can sort out our problems created by the political class which believes in the current false model under which we are governed both socially politically and economically. The doctrine of growth is not the way forward for the future of Britain that is for sure.

John , Farnam, Surrey

You shall reap what you sow! The BNP is doing well as a consequence of the overly liberal policies we have had to endure these past ten years. To counter the BNP we need strong and strongly enforced immigration controls. We need to abandon the discredited 1951 Geneva Convention on Refugees, which is no longer fit for purpose in an age of people trafficking and asylum shopping. There are many measures which could and should be taken, but won’t be whilst our establishment is in thrall to a perfidious, anti-English, liberal-left consensus. I don’t want the BNP to prosper, but they will for as long as mainstream politics remains contemptuous of the indigenous working class.

Richard, Worcester, England

Why does the BNP come in for such virulent castigation when we excuse murder and terrorism in Northern Ireland, and deep-seated corruption in Whitehall? Could it be that Nick Griffin is a convenient whipping-boy for incompetent government, a distraction to be hauled out every time our leadership (both government and opposition) disgrace themselves?

I find that there is nothing you can say to disparage the BNP that cannot be applied to the political spectrum in general.

Thank goodness someone has the courage to show up political correctness as base propaganda. And, thank goodness, more voters are realising that they too can express their fears and concerns as vocalised by the BNP.

Mike Smith, Salisbury, UK

He makes a lot of sense, and he os certainly correct in saying Muslims obey the Koran not the laws of the country.

Barry Holmes, Christchurch, New Zealand

I only wish Martin Fletcher's brave and honest report was receiving a much wider readership.

Once again The Times has had the courage to lead the way against the PC censors. Well done.

Pauline, Hornchurch, UK

a hatchet piece on nick

he's a gd fella and he's got my vote

niall, aberdeen, scotland

I find it chilling that he is exactly my age and was at Cambridge at exactly the same time as me. And that, as a Cambridge law graduate who couldn't get a job (really? why is that then?) my taxes in those early years paid for his indolence.

Ian Kemmish, Biggleswade, UK

What a great man Nic Griffin is. Roll on may 3rd and good luck to the British National Party.

Andy, Halifax, UK

From my point of view - white, middle-class, living in a quiet market town - the BNP is (on a good day) a joke, (on a bad day) a disgusting gang.

A quick burst of empathy with the dispossessed native working class shows a different picture. Nobody likes being colonised: ask the Africans or the Indians. From the point of view of our poor, their cohesive traditional communities have been invaded and taken over by alien, but equally (though differently) cohesive and traditional foreigners. Dress, food, marriage customs, religion can no longer be taken for granted. There might be little obvious common ground between Mr. Smith and his neighbour in a cramped terrace, Mr. Singh. No wonder the BNP as well as extremist Muslim groups attract support.

Tolerance and understanding are needed. If we tell people that they are just bigoted rednecks and despise them, how will they respond? Given time and space, we will adjust. East End Jews are now no longer aliens; just more Londoners.

Michael Bruce, Selby, Yorkshire

The BNP are what the tory party were 115 years ago, i take my hat off to them. Good luck!

Clive Jenkins, Holly head, United Kingdome

the bnp aer the only party telling the truthon immigration and the problems it has brought,I was a tory party member for years, now in west yorkshire the conservatives under cameron are a laughing stock.Patrick Mercer Mp told the truth about blacck servicemen and dozy Dave sacked him.I expect the bnp to win many council seats next month all over the country

martin, morley, u k

Thats right Paul, Hitler built the autobahns, you could have voted for him too.

Gavin, Susex,

On a number of occasions I have happened to witness, in central London, Islamic marches, protests and hate-preaching, including the most virulent racism and incitment to violence and murder. Their behaviour was not only repugnant but patently criminal. Yet on none of these occasions did the police, who were present, take any action whatsoever, nor were these events reported. If native British people behaved in an equivalent way, they would be arrested, and reported on the front page. While I am not suggesting that the BNP might behave in an equivalent fashion (from this article they sound tame by comparison), it is interesting that I have never happened upon a BNP gathering of any sort. Presumably they are prohibited in central London. I don't like seeing extremist protests of any kind, but it is wrong, and very damaging, to permit, in our own capital, an abundance of demonstrations against our own country, especially when the authorities zealously suppress opposition to immigration

Stu G, London,

Who can argue with the man? The liberal-elite have had thier 40 odd year experiment with multi-culturism, social engineering and a complete eradication of any form of corporal punishment --- the results are all around us. The longer we ignore the protestations of people such as Nick Griffin, the deeper we entrench ourselves in uncertainty. If one looks into one's inner heart, does he not offer a glimpse of something remotely appealing?

MAURICE BRADY, WORCESTER, WORCESTERSHIRE

Well done to the Times for daring to print this in the face of what I expect to be massive calls for censorship of this article and it's subject. I wouldn't call myself a supporter of the BNP, but everything Griffin says is correct, and faced with the thought of either a Tory, Liberal or God forbid another Labour government, the BNP ticks all my boxes. Unfortunately, they don't have a candidate in my area yet. When the above happens and the hoardes rush in to decry the BNP as they invariably do, usually based simply on "BNP = racist = bad" no doubt without having investigated it at all, perhaps they'd like to ask themselves why they want to silence the BNP so bad. Is it because they may just be right? Look at the way Europe silenced David Irving. Not for saying the Holocaust was good, but merely questioning numbers involved, methods etc. But of course to ask questions in mainland Europe and soon the UK is a hate crime, thus allowing the grip of Islam and the liberal elite to tighten.

Derek Leach, Bredhurst, England

I think that Griffin sounds like a pretty good fellow! And how can one know if he is paranoid? The Sikhs and Hindus say he is not, because they agree with him that muslims take over places they go to. I am very worried by this! I wish it were taken seriously! Also, regarding any economic crash, I hope I survive it! However, I also want it to happen, if it is the way to keep my country, so roll on the crash, hopefully in time to save us all! And I hope I survive it!

L Kelly, London,

At last someone is prepared to write a half decent article about the BNP and Nick Griffin, which isn't saying much considering the usual 'no platform' policy and downright lies normally perpetrated.

Martin Fletcher still cannot help but call the BNP 'far right', or 'extreme far right'; and uses words like 'the most hated' and 'hateful' and drip feed in the normal propaganda against the BNP hoping by repetition the negative image sticks. Using words like that perhaps he should apply for a job at the Government Broadcasting Corporation.

Unfortunately for the establishment media and their manipulation of the news, we now have the internet and we can go directly to the BNP website and find out what they are all about.

A big shock is in store come the May elections for the suits in Westminster. Lovely Jubbly. Perhaps then we may get something approaching: 'Government by the people, for the people and of the people'.

Michael Sullivan, Reading,

"a convicted racist"

I didn't know being a racist was illegal. Thoughtcrime indeed.

adam jones, Glasgow, Scotland

'He advocates “damn good thrashings” for wayward teenagers, and says of drug-dealers: “Hang the bastards.”

That's exactly what they do here in Malaysia where I live. 'Sounds like my kind of man. I might vote for him.


Paul Bastier, Penang, Malaysia

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