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GORDON BROWN will this week put his personal authority behind a move to allow evidence from telephone taps to be used in court to ensure terror suspects do not escape the law.
With less than a month to go before Brown takes over as prime minister, he is determined to take a tough stance in the fight against terrorism and make it one of the priorities of his administration.
Tony Blair has hesitated over whether to endorse the use of secret phone taps, which at present is not permissible in court. While the issue has divided cabinet members, security chiefs and senior police officers, one of the chancellor’s first acts will be to launch a cross-party review of such “intercept” evidence. The panel, which will be expected to report within a few months, will be made up of Privy Council members, mostly former cabinet ministers.
A source close to Brown said: “Personally, Gordon believes the weight of argument points to using intercept evidence in court, but we want this review to build a nonpartisan consensus on the best balance between obtaining convictions of people plotting terrorist acts and preserving our sources of intelligence for the future. It is vital that the security services are closely consulted and happy with the outcome.”
The review will consider both the police officers’ desire to bring to court more cases where terror suspects have been recorded conspiring to commit atrocities, and balance it with the need to protect intelligence sources whose safety and effectiveness may be compromised.
Ahead of the publication this week of a counter-terrorism bill, including new police powers to stop and ask suspects for their identity and movements, Brown will also signal proposals to:
- Allow the police to continue to interrogate terror suspects even after they have been charged with a criminal offence.
- Make terrorism an aggravating factor in sentencing, in a similar way to when a racist motivation in an attack on a person allows judges to give harsher sentences for offenders.
- Increase the number of days a terror suspect can be held without charge from 28 days to 90 days.
- Give MPs and peers greater powers to scrutinise the work of the security and intelligence services, allowing them to cross-examine the heads of MI5 and MI6 in public.
- Boost the national security budget, already doubled since September 11, 2001, to more than £2 billion a year in the forthcoming spending review.
Yesterday the chancellor hinted at the plans during a Labour hustings meeting in Glasgow. “We must be vigilant for the benefit of security in this country,” Brown said.
“Antiterror methods must be more sophisticated, with earlier intervention. That is why I support an increase in the length of detention to build up evidence across nations, and I support postcharge questioning with an increase in police resources.
“But because we believe in the civil liberties of the individual, we must also strengthen accountability to parliament and independent bodies overseeing the police.”
Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, and Sir Ken Macdonald, the director of public prosecutions, have all called for the ban on phone tap evidence to go – pointing to America where the majority of big prosecutions against terrorist and organised crime figures are based on phone tapping.
Until now Tony Blair and John Reid, the home secretary, have been swayed by intense lobbying from intelligence figures such as Sir Stephen Lander, the former director-general of MI5 and now chairman of the Serious Organised Crime Agency, who believes the move would compromise secret intelligence techniques and expose the identity of informers.
Sir David Pepper, the director of GCHQ, the government eavesdropping agency, has complained to ministers that GCHQ would have to divert substantial resources from the war on terror into the administrative task of compiling properly audited transcripts of thousands of hours of phone conversations for court cases.
The Tories and Liberty, the human rights group, say introducing phone tap evidence would allow police to charge at least some of those terrorists who are being monitored under control orders.
At present they cannot be prosecuted in court because much of the evidence against them is held in the form of phone taps.
Brown’s proposals to reform the parliamentary intelligence and security committee will also be welcomed by reformers. The committee came in for stiff public criticism after it appeared not to hold MI5 fully to account for alleged failures of intelligence in the run-up to the July 7 London bombings.
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John of Bradford says "We are at war with Islam".
Please, edit the schoolboys and half-wits from an otherwise interesting collumn.
Paul Medhurst, Vienna, Austria
"Tough on terror"!? Why on earth have we adopted this lazy description of terrorist activity as"terror". If George Bush declares war on a noun should we also consider being "hard on horror", "nasty to nausea", "mad at melancholia"? The resulting military campaigns are headlined almost in the manner of "COMING SOON! AMERICA VS.TERROR. PART ONE.: THE TAMING OF FEAR". I do not expect our current PM, who is his own man if all the soundbites are to be trusted, to continue in this empty vein which sounds irritatingly frivilous.
Garry, Solihull, UK
I'm all for being hard on terror, whether that is 20 youths jumping up and down on an old ladies shopping basket, or some deranged Iraqi doctors trying to delay our two weeks in the sun!
But the way to deal with both is effective and localised policing, a strong, but judicially monitired, intelligence service and an equitable application of fair laws for all. The latter is clearly not something we can expect to learn from the current US Administration.
Locking people up without charge is no way for a democratic government to act. Find them guilty and I have no sympathy for the terrorist. In fact my views on what their sentence should be are probably more right wing than Georgie (I run the World like my pappa did) Bush. But at least give them a fair trial first.
Otherwise, where is the freedom in the 'free world' we purport to inhabit?
Mark, Birmingham, UK
this new legislation doesn't go far enough.
anyone who sympathizes with muslim terrorists should be prosecuted for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
we're at war with islam and yet our own citizens lobby in support of the enemy.
not only is this shocking and disgusting, its also treason.
john, bradford, UK
Concerning " Brown Getting Tough On Terror"
Considering the aim of the terrorists in the UK, To kill and maim as many innocent victims as possible, without mercy.
I believe that it is about time that the authorities considered as wll asimprisoning the terrorists, deporting their immigrant parents and families to their countries of origin. Although this is a very drastic measure it will compell immigran parents & families to monitor and take responsibility for their sons & daughters actions and if neccessary to report them to the authorities if they believe that they are being influenced to take the terrorist path.
Ex Sapper REs
Richman, Netanya, Israel
If you want to get tough on terror, then start at the core causes: stop illegally invading sovereign nations, stop hypocritically trading with nations with horrendous human rights records (ie. China, Saudi Arabia) whilst demonising other states as being 'evil' (ie Iran), stop meddling in the affairs of other nations for our own economic/political gain, etc etc. THAT would root out terrorists more than silly phone tapping would.
robin, london, england
What have we done to deserve this fatuous, meaningless language - 'Brown will get tough on terror' - as though Blair had been 'gentle on terror'! - under cover of which we continue to ally ourselves uncritically to the most right wing, most incompetent, most lawless government ever seen in the USA and enthusiastically associate ourselves wth their war crimes, and thus ensure we are an ever juicier target for the madmen, meanwhile casually trashing centuries of hard won liberties here.. 'Getting tough on terror' should mean, first, that we stop being instruments of terror ourselves. But no, easier to tear up Magna Carta on the entirely spurious grounds that if only we had no rights, no law, we would beat the terrorists. Actually, that thinking means they have in part won already.
julian, london, uk
Be really useful if SOMEONE got tough on crime ! All I see in the papers is relentless, unwarranted crime, murder. Where have the values of people gone ?????/
stevet, Singapore, singapore
Reading all of these comments, it becomes more clear that our use of a common root language leads both the English and those of us in other places, to assume that we understand what is being said, what is really meant, and etc, is simply wrong, there is no way that I can relate to any of the words, thoughts, opinions, which your readers have expressed.
wpo, warsaw, n.y.
"... like the poor victims at Guantanamo. " These "poor" people are against you and me Mr Chuckman. Don't waste your sympathy.
What a pity these rules did not apply during the mad years of the IRA.
Jim Hatch, Acapulco, Mexico
I suspect Bully Broon will confound his party, the country and in all probability destabilise Cameron's Conservative Party by moving even further to the Right than Blair? He will totally confuse voters and IF he manages to pull off another couple of years of good economic news then he will walk it at the next General Election! The Tories must be extremely worried at this proposal!
Mr Lachie Todd, Edinburgh, Scotland, U.K.
I don't know what to make of this.
I suspect we have this notion being floated as a counterweight to the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq.
You need to do something to keep Bush's ugly mob from using their many resources for revenge against policy changes they don't like.
We really are all, to some extent, their captives, a little like the poor victims at Guantanamo.
America simply has too much influence, and we all know what Lord Acton said about power.
John Chuckman, Toronto, Canada
"we believe in the civil liberties of the individual", Cor Blimey! he could have knocked me down with a feather, "get tough on terror", "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" and not forgetting the classic: "winning hearts and minds" (we will bomb you from a great height).
Phil, leeds, uk.
It is all well and good to allow phone tap evidence in court for terrorist offences, but the problem lies with where does it stop. Should such evidence be allowed for violent crime, drugs related, shoplifting, fly tipping.........
Where does it end and where does it escalate into an even more intrusive big brother society, that this government and in particular Mr. Brown appear to love.
Unfortunately the years have shown a very poor record of passing such law with terrorism and drugs as reasons but then using such to create a controlling mechanism for the normal 'free' population.
Andy B, London, UK
Too late for that now Mr Brown - you and your incompetent government of 10 years (the worse ever in the history of our democracy) have let them all in and the Counrty is running alive with them like the rats in sewers.
An election is what is needed to start the healing process not a Coronation of you as PM!
Michael, Sheffield, South Yorkshire
Just another move towards 1984.
Judy , Liverpool, england
It all comes down to how much you trust current security authorities and Senior Police Officers.
These are the people who will be making the decision whose lines to tap , when, how and for how long.
Do these people have proper emotional intelligence, the right experience, knowledge, discretion, honesty, plain insights and good judgement to wield such power?
If we cannot in all honesty answer a profound YES to the above questions...then the power to use wiretap evidence in a trial should not be allowed.
Just remember the number of high ranking, highly trained people who concluded that de Menenzes was a suicide bomber wearing a suicide vest and authorised the shoot to kill order.
Far too many people, today, in U.K Police and security services. lack the necessary knowledge, experience and discretion to be given carte blanche.
From my experience, authorities are dumbing down and becoming increasing incapable of independent thought and are going with the flow.
Pat van der Veer, Wirral near Liverpool, U.K.
I agree Gordon Brown should allow the Anti Terrorist Squad to take whatever actions they deem necessary to capture these maniacs but it must stop there, these new measures cannot be used as an opportunity for the police to spy on ordinary individuals.
If Gordon Brown really wants to do something to protect us from these maniacs then he should scrap the Human Rights Act, stop all legal aid for any crimes associated with Asylum, Deportation, Immigration, Illegal Entry into the United Kingdom, Preaching Hatred, Islamic Culture and Teachings, Terrorism and Conspiracy to Participate in Acts of Terrorism and Crimes against the State.
He should then allow the Laws to be ammended to close down and withdraw planning approval for any Mosque that allows Preachers of Hate to brainwash young Muslims to perform Acts of Terrorism and to refuse any further planning applications for a Mosque within 30 miles of the one closed.
Burt
Burt, Romford, UK
I see the "90 days in gaol without charge" is back again, despite having been turned down by Parliament on two separate occasions.
Whilst I'm no fan of terrorism or terrorists, I cannot believe that holding a person behind bars for 3 months will really do anyone any good. If the police can't find the evidence of your guilt in 28 days, are they really going to find it in 90 days?
Meanwhile, what if you're innocent? If you just disappear for three months, what's the chances of re-emerging with your job, home life, finances intact? Pretty close to zero, I'd suspect.
Ade, Wallasey, UK
David, burglers don't tend to kill vast numbers of people. I would advise investing in a burgler alarm.
Tom, Cambridge,
I was burgled 15 times in the UK in less than 20 years.
How about getting tough on burglars?
David, Andorra La Vella,
As far as I can tell it is the civil service and the intelligence and police who are most opposed to the use of taps. They are allowed in most other countries. Provided it's left for the police and intelligence officials to decide on each case whether to allow them, where is the threat to national security or to justice?
Isn't it time there was a proper open debate with all the evidence for and against made public so we can all decide what is best in our 'democracy'?
Neil Murphy, cromer,
I agree with Mr Brown that such evidence should be permissable.
However, it's all very well restraining terrorists, but, in the long run, what happens to them - the get the same treatment as 'ordinary' criminals, namely, a slap on the wrist, a few years languishing in the luxury of prison, then let go ........... to do it all again. Even deportation does not mean they won't continue to be terrorists.
Brough, Forfar, Great Britain
About time.
Now maybe we can put some of our suspects on trial and get a result instead of the limbo of tagging.
We have the ability in court to jail or free suspects now we need a sentence of immediate deportation (court to airport) to fill all the gaps.
David Thijm, Stourbridge, UK
Tough on terror cos we are the cause of terror, havnt we heard this rubbish before? The man sets fire to your house then knocks the door to say only he can put it out.
mitch, wolverhampton, england
If conspiracy can be proved with evidence recorded by electronic means then it is evidence of conspiracy and should be admissible in court. After all, the conversation did take place.
Peter Collins, Trowbridge, Wiltshire