Philip Webster, Political Editor, and Frances Gibb, Legal Editor
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Gordon Brown set a target last night of deporting 4,000 foreign criminals by the end of the year as a way of easing the prison overcrowding crisis.
The Government is asking prison authorities to begin the deportation process a year before the inmates’ release date, rather than six months as at present.
In an interview with The Sun, the Prime Minister said the Government wanted to double the number of foreign convicts to be removed by December. The previous target was 2,000.
Mr Brown said: “We expect to deport 4,000 foreign nationals who have previously been in our prisons. Two years ago the figure was 1,500 but we are going to take a far tougher line.
“I want a message to go out. If you come here you work and you learn our language. If you commit a crime you will be deported from our country. You play by the rules or you face the consequences. I am not prepared to tolerate a situation where we have people breaking the rules in our country when we cannot act. That will be toughened up.”
Foreign prisoners will not be released early. But by starting the process a year before the release date ministers believe they will drastically cut the number remaining locked up in detention centres while they await deportation.
Mr Brown also confirmed that he is looking for a substantial increase in the time the police can hold terrorist suspects without charge.
In a statement today he will set out a number of options for replacing the current 28-day limit. But he is understood to believe that there are grounds for doubling it to 56 days.
The measure will be at the heart of proposals for a new counter-terrorist Bill to be outlined by the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary today.
Last night Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, said that since Parliament last debated the issue there had been new evidence to justify such an extension, with the alleged bombing attempts in London and Glasgow.
Gordon Brown and Ms Smith will announce a series of options for debate, including the case for extending the period of detention before charge, plans to question suspects postcharge and strengthening of control orders. Today’s proposals, in the form of a consultation paper, will also give an update on the review of the use of intercept evidence in trials and will look at other methods, such as the French system of examining magistrates, who supervise the investigation of a case.
Ms Smith told the all-party Home Affairs Select Committee last night that alleged plots were becoming more complex, the international dimension to terror investigations was widening and the security services were now aware of 400 more terror suspects since last November’s figure of 1,600.
“This all gives us a strong view that the time is right to reconsider whether we should allow longer than 28 days for precharge detention,” she said. Her predecessor, John Reid, rejected an extension of the 28-day limit earlier this year, saying that he had not seen evidence to justify it.
But Ms Smith outlined details of recent recent police operations in which six terror suspects had been questioned for 27 or 28 days, after which three were charged. “There is already evidence of us stepping up to the point of 28 days,” she told the committee.
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Border Police eh?......I'd advise Cameron to remain quiet for a while so that his good ideas aren't at risk of being stolen by Mr Brown......sneakthief.
Judy , Liverpool, england
This government is clearly using the whole war on terror as an excuse for totalitarian controls. I worry for our future since no one, including opposition parties, seem to be trying to stop them. Are there any politicians feeling the outrage that I feel? Apparently not.
Pete, Bristol, Security State
Measures to fight terrorism without action to address underlying causes will only have limited success. Why, after all, have the USA and UK become a focus of such hatred? The main grievance is Palestine. Jewish population of Palestine was less than 10% in 1917. Since then we have helped "Zionism" (the movement to create a national home for Jewish people) to take away over 80% of Palestine from its indigenous population and are allowing Israel to continue to annexe more and more of it. Included in Israel's wished-for annexations is East Jerusalem, containing a site holy for moslems all over the world. It was Britain that encouraged Zionist settlements through the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the subsequent British Mandate, and it is the Americans who have in recent decades given Israel every financial, military and diplomatic support. More recent grievances, of course, are our bloodily counterproductive invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, both USA / UK led.
Rod Walters, Abergavenny, Wales
National Border Police Force? Stop imposing cuts on the Nations only fully armed Police Force, The Ministry Of Defence Police (MoD Police) and increase it substantially, to cover all official ports and points of entry. They are the only nationally, firearms, anti-terrorists experienced Police Force in the United Kingdom. They are the best in their field, why does this Government continue to allow the Ministry of Defence to slash their numbers? Indeed at times of hightened alerts, it they (MoD Police) whom the BTP and Metropolitan Police call upon for the armed backup and speciallised search and other anti-terrorist experience.
JJ05E3, Cheshire, Great Britain
Preventive detention is a must, and is one of the secret weapons against these invisible army of bent Islam.
When will people wake up to the reality that these zealots are exploiting the conscience of we reasonable people?
Here´s to all those Brits who thought that once Blair is gone, all their perceived problems would be gone.
Kong Kek Kuat, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
Surely if you have sufficient evidence to detain a suspect for 28 days you have sufficient to charge them.
With the recent attack in Glasgow, was there anyone involved who had been held for 28 days and then had to be released?
Would the availability of longer detention have had any impact?
Has there yet been an occassion where someone has been released after 28 days without charge who has then gone on to commit a terrorist act?
If a member of a terrorist cell was held in this way would they be likely to remain active?
Is there any real evidence that longer detention without charge has any benefit?
Ok, how about re-examining what is currently non-admissible as evidence and why; look at whether such evidence should be valid.
What's better: infringement of civil liberties or changing the methods of intelligence gatherers?
Jon Dawkins, Bristol, UK
Internment is the only answer, if we suspect someone of being a terrorist they should be locked up until the case is proven either way. If the muslem comunity oject then it is up to them to rid themselves of this menus. We pander too much to these people and it is high time they took on board that this is our country and if they don,t like that then they should go live some place elese.
Go for it Mr. Brown, lets have our country back and rid our self of those who wish to change it.
D Case, Newquay,
""How much more of the Conservative manifesto is Gordon Brown going to use as his own.""
I neither know nor care.
This ridiculous us-and-them ideological polarisation has got to stop. What matter is good ideas, regarldess of where they come from.
Joe, Manchester,
Call me naive, but surely after 4 weeks of questioning, if there is not sufficient evidence to prosecute, will there ever be?
Andrew Torode, Nottingham, England
Who are these "community groups", and what are they supposed to do with £70m to "resist violent extremism"?
Nick, London,
the PM is bowing to the lowest common denominator, the extension of detention without trial is unjustified and will not make this country any more secure, on the contrary it will damage it.
As a british muslim I got into a taxi a couple of weeks ago, and when asked for destination I mentioned my work address. as the driver didn't know it, so I pointed out the nearest landmark "its near scotland yard", the look on his face changed as he eyed the heavy rucksack I was carrying. He was ok when I explained my journey but there was an uncertain moment. The politcians are to blame for over hyping the threat, this extension to detain people, flies in the face of justice and will be dark period of our history.
Akram, London,
this border force could also be used (like east german border guards) to halt the flow of thousands of british families desperate to abondon this island because they know this country is no place for their offfspring.
a wee bit too late for border controls eh what?
alan, glasgow, uk
This seems like a promising idea.
Comments to the effect that foreigners should be prohibited from entering the UK in the first place is counterproductive to effective globalization. And those with few skills on arrival can probably gain some.
Charles Smyth, Belfast, Northern Ireland.
Gordon Brown is quite extraordinary. Has he just arrived from another planet or was he the number 2 in the government for the last 10 years. Did ever express these opinions at cabinet meetings or in his one to one with Tony Blair. He must think we are completely naive.
Gwyn Davies, Cardiff, Wales
Internment, which is what extending the 28 day limit on detention amounts to, added at least a decade to the Irish problem and was one of the best recruiting tools the IRA had at the time. Clearly Brown is doing what Blair spent his entire premiership doing, pandering to the Daily Mail and trying to make headlines rather than have an intelligent deabte on the issue. The king of spin is dead, long live the king of spin!
Bobby Smith, Surrey, UK,
How much more of the Conservative manifesto is Gordon Brown going to use as his own.
Nite Owl, Ferndown, Dorset
Perhaps Mr Brown can also look harder at the people we let into the UK at the border, before they commit crimes? Do we really want a never-ending stream of young men with few skills and no funds flooding our cities?
RN, plymouth, UK
More BS from Labour and how come only now????
Peter andrew, Montreal, Canada