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PROPOSALS by a former Conservative minister to prevent Scottish MPs, such as Gordon Brown, voting on English matters were said to be “interesting” by the Tories last night.
Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former Scottish secretary, has put forward a plan which he claims would solve the long-running saga over the “West Lothian question”.
However, suggestions that David Cameron, the Tory leader, had already decided to back the plan were denied last night by senior party sources.
Rifkind has written a paper and submitted it to Kenneth Clarke, the chairman of the party’s democracy task force. But the committee has yet to decide whether to adopt the recommendation in its final report.
Rifkind is keen, however, and floated the idea in a newspaper last night: “Since devolution there has been a growing English consciousness and that has given credence to the unfinished business of devolution.
“The issue is not an English parliament. It is how you reform the way in which the House of Commons operates so that on purely English business, as opposed to United Kingdom business, the wishes of English members cannot be denied.”
Under Rifkind’s plan, a special English “grand” committee would decide on which matters MPs who represent Scottish constituencies would be barred from voting on. The Commons Speaker would have an overview.
David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, warned of the consequences: “This proposal is utterly unworkable. Taken to its logical extent it would create multiple categories of MPs. Where does it end? Do the Tories think only London MPs should vote on Crossrail; only countryside MPs vote on foxhunting; only coastal MPs vote on fishing? It is utterly impracticable.
“Take the English smoking ban. This was proposed in clauses in a bill which applied to the whole of the UK. Would the Tories seriously take those clauses out into the grand committee for consideration?”

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The proposal by Sir Malcolm Rifkind surely cannot fail to attract the support of all English voters; it is, as he says, only fair.
Of course, Ian Burgess is right: Labour will fight tooth & nail to hang on to their Scotland-based majority.
If the idea were to be taken to its next logical step, & England had its own parliament, as Scotland does, that would frighten the wits out of Scottish MPs like Gordon Brown. He could no longer be PM of the UK. It seems to me highly desirable that this course should be pursued with the utmost determination. Peter. Hitchin
Peter Stoker, Hitchin, England
Sadly the Scots want to have the advantages of both parliaments at the same time. Congratulations to the Tories for putting forward this idea - not before time! While we are on the subject Scotland has proportionately more MP's representing them in the British Parliament than the English have. May be it is time for all round reform.
Mary, Crewe,
Sounds like a good idea to me and would have the support of at least the Scot Nats! We all know why Labour object - they'd lose their majority when ruling for England! As for David Cairns well isn't it NuLabour who wanted to establish Regional Assemblies? So what's he complaining about. Devolution and Europe will come to haunt NuLabour.
Dr Ian Burgess, Bristol,
Sooner or later the free bee's being handed out by the Scottish Executive is going to course a split with England and English MP's. When that happens and the Scottish people find themselves footing the bill without English taxpayers money they may then wake up and realise how lucky they have been to be in a Union with England
Dave, mold, Flintshire
good idea, devolution was an inevitable step in destroying the union, the will be a quick fix till we either federalise or break up.
Robert, London,
I have every confidence in the English. They should be able to run their country efficiently now without the help of the Scots.
She has been supported by Scotland for too long and after 300 years, the time is right for her to leave the security of Scotland and reach for independence. Rifkind's proposal is the first step
As a Scot I wish her well.
pints, edinburgh,
Anything other than an English Parliament is another fudge, regionalisation as recommended by Neu L'bore is nothing more that the EUSSR dissection of the 1080 year old English State; an English Grand Committee as suggested by the Neu Torists has already been tried and shown to fail when introduced to Scotland by the Tories who, through Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former Scottish secretary, immediately overuled its authority by introducing the Pole Tax to Scotland against the wishes of their Grand Committee.
I'm sorry, the issue is exactly about an English Parliament working in a fair and open federal system where each constituent part of the YooKay gets their say on issues that affect them. Anything less will not be tolerated by the fair and just people of England. Anything less will guarantee exactly what most of the MP's in Westminster fear the most, the break up of the Union. Personally speaking , it looks more and more attractive and likely.
stubby, Telford, England
May I remind you all that the SNP does not vote on England only issues.
Disgruntled Dorothy, Glasgow, Scotland
David Cairns objections are pure obfuscation. As a consequence odf devolution there are already four classes of Westminster MP. Clearly, all English MPs should be able to vote on Crossrail and the like, since all English MPs have the same powers as one another (but not the same as Scots, Welsh or Norther Irish MPs). As to bills such as the English smoking ban containing clauses affecting the other countries this is a minor drafting issue, not an Insuperable problem behind which New Labour can hide.
James Matthews, London,