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Gordon Brown’s plan to extend the 28-day limit for holding terror suspects was in tatters last night after opposition from the Government’s senior law officers as well as the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Both the Attorney-General, Baroness Scotland of Asthal, QC, and the Solicitor-General, Vera Baird, QC, believe that the case has not yet been made to extend the period of detention, The Times has learnt.
Yesterday the Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Ken Macdonald, QC, told the Commons Home Affairs Committee that the Crown Prosecution Service had found the 28-day limit “useful and effective”. Asked if he would be joining calls to go beyond that, he said: “The most I can say is that it is a matter of record that we have not asked for an increase. We are satisfied with the position as it stands at the moment.”
The blows dealt by senior legal figures to the Prime Minister’s plans came as The Times learnt that the Commons committee was unconvinced of the case for extending the limit. The MPs are currently looking into counter-terrorism proposals.
Sir Ken gave warning that, were an extension to be passed by Parliament, it would prove hard to implement. Courts “very rigorously” scrutinise applications to extend the period for which a suspect can held without charge, he said; “it might be quite difficult” for a prosecutor to persuade a court after 25 or 26 days. “The longer you’ve got somebody in custody without finding the evidence to charge, the tougher it is to make these applications,” he said.
The two government law officers want to avoid the scenario of suspected terrorists being released because the time limit has been reached. Yet they believe that the evidence for an extension has not been produced and are concerned that the proposed safeguard that judges would approve any extension could be compromised, because defendants would not have access to the case against them.
The law officers’ concerns have not been aired publicly, but yesterday Lord Goldsmith, QC, who stepped down as Attorney-General when Tony Blair left No 10, came out strongly against an extension. He had seen no evidence to justify going beyond 28 days, he said, and confirmed that he had privately opposed Mr Blair’s attempts to introduce a 90-day limit – saying that he would have quit had they been approved by Parliament.
The lineup of opposition leaves Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, and the Association of Chief Police Officers as the only senior figures in law-and-order circles to have spoken for an extension. But Sir Ian’s credibility has been undermined by the furore over the shooting dead in London of Jean Charles de Menezes, who was mistaken for a terrorist.
Despite having heard from Sir Ian and Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, MPs on the committee are said to believe they have seen no evidence supporting police being allowed to hold suspects for longer than 28 days.
Last week Admiral Lord West of Spithead, the Security Minister, appeared uncertain in an interview of the need for extending the time limit – but after a meeting at No 10 stated that he was in favour.
The MPs, chaired by Keith Vaz, yesterday heard evidence for the last time before they report next month. Lord Goldsmith told them he was sure the proposals were “based on a genuine belief that it is the right thing to do in protecting the country. I do not take the view that, if the proposal was to extend to 56 days, that is justified by the evidence.” He had seen no evidence while in office to support going beyond 28 days, but it might have emerged since, he said.
Mr Blair’s attempt to introduce a 90-limit led to his first Commons defeat. Parliament agreed a compromise to double the limit to 28 days. Mr Brown is determined to get an extension to the limit although he has yet to specify by how many days.
Lord Goldsmith told the committee: “If the 90-day proposal had come from the Commons unamended, I would have found it impossible to vote for it in the Lords.” That would have had inevitable consequences for his position in the Government, he said. His position had been “well known” within Government but he had never made an explicit threat to resign.
The committee also held a private briefing at which the MI5 Director-General, Jonathan Evans, detailed the terrorist threat facing Britain.
A spokesman for Mr Brown told reporters at a regular briefing: “It is the Government’s view that there is a case for considering an extension beyond 28 days as long as there are the appropriate safeguards in place.”
David Davis, the Shadow Home Secretary, said: “Neither the Director of Public Prosecutions nor the last Attor-ney-General have seen the evidence to go beyond 28 days. Terrorism will be defeated by good intelligence, professional policing and the rigorous application of justice, not by incursions into the freedoms and rights that British subjects have had for centuries.”
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The 90 day issue was always codswallop, plucked out of the air by New Scotland Yard then followed up by Blair in a silly & pathetic attempt to wrong foot the Tories as the so called "law & order" party. It is very diificult indeed to envisage a situation with enough evdince to hold suspects longer than 28 days yet not have enough to charge.
Constantly during the arrest & then interview, there has to be a test of "is there enough to charge". If there is, a charge MUST follow. this is not an option, this is the law. It is not expected that ALL the evidence that might become available should be present BEFORE charge. The wrong impression is being given by those who claim otherwise.
David Raynes, Bath, UK
He will not win the argument or the vote, but he will win in the polls on his reponse to terrorism. Let us not fool ourselves it is about anything else.
He went along with TB when he did it. He is just trying to be more subtle. The trouble is that, as always, he plots and micromanages but doesn't see the bigger picture. He will not get as much benefit as he would likke - but he will still get some.
Sally C, York, Yorkshire
The law professionâs Rumpole-of-the-Bailey tradition, of concern for the individual above the interests of the group, is alive and well. Legal consciences can be clear when the case is incontrovertible, but by then the mass murderers will be in as many pieces as their victims, and the courts will no longer have a role. Immense damage to the community is done by the present system of letting crooks off in order to avoid the small possibility of an innocent being punished, but to extend this system to potential terrorists is truly horrible. There is no reason for denying the police as much scope as they like. They have nothing to gain from abusing this power, and anyway there are safeguards. The drugs situation is similar: we sacrifice our young rather than get serious with the sanctioning and deterrence of dealers.
Mike MSN, Midsomer Norton, UK
It beggars belief that Brown did not confer with his Attorney- General and his Solicitor General before suggesting the need for an extension beyond 28 days.
If he did then he must have known their views and that these would come out in due course and obviously decided he knew best ,so carried on.If he did not consult them he is a bigger fool than most of the country now accept that he already is.
The only reason I can see why he wishes to pursue this extension is to try and show a tough stance as opposed to the opposition parties who oppose it.
With the senior legal figures views now known, Brown just looks totally ridiculous.
micah, Hull,