Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.........................!

Dave, London, England

Poverty brutalises people. Many migrants to this country have lived in poverty conditions. I was brought up in Glasgow which has many 'white' British knife wielding brutalised hopless youth. They have lived in poor conditions without any motive for improving themselves they may have peer pressure and poor role models. It leads them to crime and drug addiction.
My father worked long hours in his little local shop. He was attacked at least 6 times by 'white' British youths with knives. My sister was also stabbed by a white British youth. My father and sister were very hard working and I felt very distressed when this happened.
However we would never blame their colour or their race, it is poverty and hoplessness that caused their actions.
It is narrow minded, and idiotic to blame someones skin tone or nationality for their actions it is irrelevent to mention these murders were commited by migrants.
I never read headlines saying majority murders (52) by white youths in Glasgow.

A. Fatima, Aberdeen,

In response to LUL of London. You are quite right the IRA and Al-qaeda are both considered terrorists however one significant difference was that usually the IRA, gave a warning of an iniment bombing by a code word. Giving people those vital few minutes to escape the carnage. Remember Manchester city centre.
What about all the other crimes that immigration has increased. Shop lifting, prostitution, gang masters, people trafficking, drugs, non payment of every concievable type of tax, rates, licences, motoring insurance etc etc that most native people have to pay.
Get the information from the police on the streets its a far cry from what the MP's put out.

Dave, chorley,

Send them (or us) to Australia! Alternatively,emigrate to America, Canada, France or...Damn, they all have immigrants. What has the poor British nation ever done to deserve such a situation? Is there any correlation between the origin of the immigrants and the former British colonies? What is the Oxford definition of KARMA.

Crime is everywhere. Criminals are not restricted to any nationality or ethnic group. It is plain ignorance to ascribe social problems to immigrants.

Sarj Gosal, Vancouver, BC, Canada

True Britain has experienced immigration for a 1000 years but during that time the immigrants worked for a living we didn't have social securty, social workers and the PC brigade asking us to sustain them. When they committed crimes they were punished or banished not looked after. Why can't we be like other countries where you are not allowed to obtain a residents permit unless you have a job offer?

George, Glasgow, UK

Let us not forget, this particular issue in relation to immigrants falls within the context of a wider hostile attitude towards 'foreigners' in Britain today. I wonder if these lightly hostile strands of foreigner hating debates were echoed in post-WWI Germany. They certainly were, but even earlier in neighbouring Austria, where a certain young man received his initial education in hating 'foreigners' and associating all evils with them. If Britain is such an enlightened society, perhaps we can find alternatives to continued progress without seeking to alienate and castigate on the basis of the lightness of skin. Then again, perhaps it is our heightened enlightenment that brings us here and promises worse, after all, too much sunshine makes a desert.

James, London,

I am heartily sick of hearing bleeding hearts bleat Racism anytime anyone mentions immigrants. To be against immigration be it totally or purely the numbers involved have nothing whatsoever to do with being a racist. Any right minded person would be concerned if the amount of people entering the country change how their country can cope with the costs, financial and otherwise.

Stop hiding behind the racist shouts and try looking at what ordinary non-racist people are trying to say.

JonO, Canaries, Spain

History Man, London-

Have you not heard of " no dogs no blacks no irish signs"?. The Irishare integaraged into the British Isles but it toos some time. The Majority Irish Catholics were not allowed to go to thrir own univerivrsiry for yrars.

Raymond, Liverpool,

I really don't know what you're talking about Raymond. I think its accurate to say this problem dates back decades, I'd estimate about 5 of them, and that's all there is to it. You seem to be struggling to reconcile this with your personal thought process, and in the process bringing in irrelevant and tangential matters. There is no real comparison with the IRA beyond their tactics of violence: all the Irish have Western values, are not motivated by their religion as such (trying to impose it, feeling inspired by Jesus to hate, maim and murder), the ideology of the IRA was not remotely comparable (basically just 'troops get out', though it was understandable they were there trying to stop Caths and Pros killing each other), and the Irish are British citizens like the rest of us. For many Muslims on the other hand, even if they're born here their attitudes on that matter are questionable. And finally, 2,000 are a direct threat says MI5 and 4,000 are under surveillance, say the police.

Joe, Manchester,

Its very poor to see that this region is very well populated with Serbs looking for a Milloschevic in England!

Surely leadership in this country will never fall to such hands, but just look at yourselfs for a second, look at the bigger picture!

While crime is disgusting, lok at the total picture and realise once again, that crime has allways been part of the lowest strata of society, of those who do not have, or are not aware of other means to deal with problems.

As for the Albanian peasants, make no mistake in fast judgements, Albania has a top 5 place in the world when it come to brain drain (Pocket World in Figures 2008 , The Economist)!

Unfortunately it take much more work for PhD's to get on the news then a simple peasant, who hapen to know how to commit the most basic of human agressive act!

Thanks you people of the Media for giving so much voice and attention to such people!

Dor Albi, London, London

Is not Somalia's current message to the world that one should respect the local customs above all else?

David Masu, Zürich,

How many of the 19 British chargees are of English, Welsh, Scots or Irish descent? A minority again, I expect, since for the purposes of Home Office records, "migrant" means only foreign-born.

I would estimate that no more than 7, and probably less, of the 47 charged are of native descent. The peace and trust, stability and connectedness that we have lost since 1948 is right there, in that numerical disparity.

We never asked for this. We have never been asked whether we want it. We never consented to it. We do not want it today.

We have been told that "diversity" is enriching and to be celebrated. We have been told that "too white" is "hideous". We have been told that we have always been a nation of immigrants. We have been told that the English do not exist. We have been told that our defining values are "openness" and "tolerance". We have been told that we cannot survive without immigration, cannot pick our crops, cannot look after our ageing population.

All lies.

Guessedworker, Lewes, England

This sort of story just plays into racists' hands - all the qualifications re the figures are right at the bottom of the story, by which time most people will have stopped reading.

Wasn't there a better story is the very last sentence - a big drop in the Capital's murder rate? Surely this too will have freed up money to pay the extra translators (and how many of these were needed for tourists or short term visitors, I wonder?)

All in all, a shoddy piece of journalism which, from the responses here, has succeeded in the rabble rousing no doubt intended. To think, The Times was once seen as the paper of record.

Richard B, Plymouth, England

When we started permitting people to come into this country from other countries where carrying guns and knives is a way of life for survival, the authorities should have been prepared for an increase in violent behaviour here. The police aren’t visible on the streets unless it’s around a football match. This labour government just spins and lies all the time, setting a bad example to the youngsters of to-day. A 5yr mandatory sentence for carrying a gun was introduced; I’ve yet to hear of this being passed down. A recipe for disaster has been brewing for the past few years, and the authorities have been shoving it under the carpet, the time for action is nigh. Innocent people are having their lives disrupted and indeed paying with their lives because there isn’t a politician willing to stand up and tell the truth. Nu labour could be allowing violence to escalate hoping the public will be willing to accept more and more draconian laws, therefore giving more control to the politicians. The losers as always with Labour is the ordinary law abiding citizen who they hold in contempt, and only engage with around election time within marginal seats, and at all other times treat like fools, as proven throughout these latest scandals.

Michael, Sheffield,

The comments about "murder" not being new are off the point.The article speaks about now and it is now that must be addressed. Very diverse societies can only work if the population is small and resources comfortable.The population density of the UK is now very high much higher than the USA.. All immigration must be stopped immediately .Work permits must be issued and followed up,Student visas issued and followed up. Fetching marriages stopped .We must not admit those who are a risk and we must kick out those who behave criminally with far far less regard for their human rights and more for ours .We do know quite a lot about which groups are likely to be trouble.People who come from very primitive societies are likely to be trouble as they are not likely to have the skills or even the IQ to succeed here.
Planned immigration is quite different from floods of asylum seekers ,the majority of whom seem to be unskilled young men of dubious provenance.

Frances , Tunbridge Wells, Kent

The figures don't add up: 47 killings and 52 victims.

A couple more caveats: people who are charged aren't always guilty and some murders take years to be discovered. The number of murders also suggested that London is particularly dangerous for immigrants, tourists, foreign workers, etc.

kath, Nottingham, England

Thank you New Labour for giving us all the opportunity to 'celebrate diversity'. Immigration is not a bad thing if it is tightly controlled and administered - but it has been a shambles in the last few years.

We now have:
New industry like cannabis farming & cashpoint fraud.
New crimes like people trafficking and honour killings.
An increase in gang culture.
A revitalized sex industry.

New Labour - Things can only get better !

Kevin Herbert, Greater Manchester, UK

I heard Jack Dromey (at the Immigration Committee ) call the Irsh and Welsh workers who moved around the UK in the 19th Century 'Immigrants'. Is he mad, The indegenous people of these islands are family - it stands to reason that generally we share the same genetic imperative, and that is to look after our close family - and we are close family. One can never be British without first being either Welsh, Irish, Scottish, or English. In my family as for many truely British families, there is a mix of the W.I.S.E. in their family ancestry.

History Man, London, England

"There is no excuse for racism, prejudice or generalisation, so stop being so damn worthy and think of ways to improve your situation, not condemn every person different to yourself. "

No one, absulutely no one, has done that.

You generalise YOURSELF in your spurious condemnation and mere mudflinging.

It is not OUR situation, strictly speaking, it is a situation caused by other people. In the case of hostile Muslims for example, it's like a time warp from 500 years ago, or when Mohammed himself thought he was divinely entitled to conquer and murder the Infidel because Muslims were the master race authorised by Allah.

We are therefore justified to 1) identify the culture or ethnic group in question and 2) condemn it accordingly.

Joe, Manchester,

O'Neill points out that the number of murders in London is 47 for six months of 2007. That equates to a yearly total of 94 for 2007-8. The yearly total for 2006-7 was 127. This is surely good news. Could not the article have been headlined 'Influx Of Migrants Leads To 35% Fall In Murder Rate'?

Samuel West, London,

With the greatest respect, I'm not sure that the IRA is comparable.

Irish people didn't come to this country and upset the cultural balance. They didn't demand that Mosques be built at the cost of the taxpayer. They didn't seek to impose their views about gender politics upon the host community. And they didn't scream 'AHA!! RACISM! A HERETIC! PERSECUTE! KILL THE UNBELIEVER!' whenever anybody takes issue with the merits of immigration.

Some forms of immigration are more easy to absorb than others.

Jo, London, UK

If in six months of 2007 there have been 47 murders in London, that equates to a yearly murder rate of 94 for 2007-8. The figure for 2006-7 was 127. Could this article not just as well have been called 'Influx of Migrants Causes Murder Rate To Fall by 35%'?

Samuel West, London,

Joe manchester, if you are using a time frame of 50 years, then most terrorists have been from Northern ireland and not muslim. This problem has been sorted out and the current one will be sorted out. I don't ever remember an argument then saying people from there should haven't been allowed in the country in the 1st place and should consequently be barred.

Raymond, Liverpool,

I came home for a visit in 1997. Still recognized my country. Still felt like home although I left in 1970. Came back here to live in 2006. Where am I? What has Blair done to England?

And what about these wonderful judges who don't send rapists and murderers home since they may be hurt! What?? It's the law but I have yet to fully understand whose law?

If you don't want to sort out the problems in your own country, come here, apparently our taxes will take care of you, and if not they can always be raised. Once you become "British" make sure you still wear the costume of your birth country so we'll know where your heart is. And, when we don't give you enough, or you don't approve of the free property you are occupying well then go on the rampage and let us all know how "racist" we are.

Wasn't like this before Blair. Foreigners fit in, didn't wear costumes on the street kept their religions to themselves and worshipped privately. They were welcome.

Jill, Tiverton, England

If you add in all the black-on-black gangsta murders between second/third generation immigrants, it makes you wonder whether there is a decent, hard working cockney murderer left.

Janet, London,

No big surprise, the same could apply to many sorts of street crime - but it's not the sort of thing you can usually get away with acknowledging except to family & friends.

I wonder how many of the 19 so-called "British" suspects in reality just snagged their citizenship out of a cereal box a few years ago. My guess is at least 55% of that lot as well.

Steve Jacks, London,

I am the son of an immigrant, and i am proud of my father and my heritage. I respect the laws of whatever country i am residing in because that is what anyone with half a brain would do. If there are immigrants committing crimes in london or the country as a whole, the britons and americans are breaking international laws with their wars so none of the crap you're saying weighs up to your messed up wars. I do not like racism, i am not a racist and i certainly do not like people mentioning ''terrorism committed by muslims'', they are people who were diverted of the right path of Islam, and are you forgetting your bloody wars with your own country men, the Irish i mean!! Catholic vs protestant wars - now that is funny because you never say, it is the ''catholics'', no you call them the IRA. How many bombings were the IRA responsible for? How many deaths????? That you certainly fail to mention!

Lul, London, United Kingdom

Its been out of control going back over 50 years - we should never have allowed Muslims, in particular, to come here and practice their ignorant and primitive traditions, and develop seperatist ghettoes with private and unpoliced mosques. Wasn't it obvious what would happen from the evidence of their violence against Hindus, and more! - going all the way back to Mohammed the supremacist warlord.

This is not the fault of Labour or any other one government, and in addition to being a subject that needs raising, this point also needs emphasising: stop reducing it to anti Labour polemic that is no better than political spin - from any party, not just Labour, since the others do it as well.

Joe, Manchester,

I am sorry to say but loads of the comments really sound racist and it is outrageous but not at all surprising. If you asked me, i would say that we do live in a racist society, even in London, racism is present and we fear our jobs and money etc. are going to be taken by those immigrants. Lets not forget, they come from deprived places and as human beings, they should have the right of life in the least. The difference between this nation and other european nations is that we do not have open racism here and it would be disastrous if we did, but it is any better that we live in a society where everyone is subconsciously racist and where people make judgments and decisions on grounds of prejudice. Let us not go down that path and let us not mention names. Have you also forgotten the IRA bombings, where they not atrocious? oh muslim bombs are made differently and therefore cause more damage, no there is no difference between the two, al-qaeda are terrorists and so are the IRA!

Lul, London, United Kingdom

The problem with immigration is that it is needed at the same time as it is not wanted. For the current state of the world's economic system, globalization, dictates that for a country to get ahead economically, it needs to take in the brightest minds from all over the world to be above everybody else economically.

Make no mistake about it, immigration is needed for Britain to remain economically competitive in the future. That being said, however, multiculturalism may very well ruin England the way it is tearing away territory from my country. If you let a foreign group populate one of your cities, and you do not seek to assimilate them, you will then have a major...major...major problem. The kind of problem we're facing right at this moment with the Albanians in Kosovo.

The only thing keeping England together is its economy. Otherwise, Birmingham would've already become Birminghamid.

Aleks , Beograd, SRB

Many immigrants cite the desire to look for a better life as the reasons they come to this country, sadly I fear that some of them bring bring to this country the very problems the rest are trying to escape from - poverty, disease, crime and intolerance being but four examples.

Bruce Mcaaw, Grantham,

Well there is an option you can vote for a far-right party and this will ensure people will be transferred to re-patriation facilities. (Ha!, Ha!, Ha, that's what they'll be called but as no one else will want these people the most humane thing to do will be to put them down. Chambers pumped with some kind of gas).

Kris, London,

For much of my life, I have wondered how a country as cultured and sophisticated as Germany could ever have allowed the likes of the Nazis to come to power. I'm begining to understand now.

mel, Bath,

"...It,s a wonder that the "loonies" have let you report this story. The one thing that the hand ringing liberals cannot accept is the truth...."

Not loonies but carefully nurtured and protected 'advisers' and 'spokespersons' on 40/60ths pensions. The result? The walls have ears everywhere and one could conceivably lose their job for sneezing in a non politically correct way.

Well to those such as Trevor Phillips and the likes. You have done considerable damage, but looking at and taking the lead of the Oxford Union and their embracing of free speech you have not yet won...

Pete Balchin, Solicitor , Bristol, UK

"This leaves our country unable to act in our peoples interest because of excitable vocal minorities and a politcal and media system which has marginalised it's own people and stifled debate and action on issues which are of major concern."

History Man you are absolutely right. But even at this stage it would be well to realise that real British people are still the overwhelming majority of the people in Britain. The Baltic countries' approach to citizenship with its 1940 reference point This means that citizenship would only be given to people who can show they are descended from people who were in Britain in 1940 or previously. The rest would have to undergo rigorous testing in which deep knowledge and even more importantly, sympathy with the country's culture and history , would have to be shown. Testing might also include the use of lie detectors and similar techniques. In the meantime we, the majority, should insist that only EU citizens are allowed to immigrate to the UK

Marcia Borg, London, UK

It's also interesting that 80% of HIV cases in this country originated in Africa. In other words, it is largely a disease brought into this country by immigrants. It might not be very PC, but I certainly don't think it would be too unwise for us to start being more discriminating.

James, London, UK

This island has experienced mass immigration for 1000s of years. The Romans, Normans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Franks, Vikings, Gypsies, Palatines,Chinese, Heugenots, Jews, Germans, Belgians, Italians, Irish, West Indians, South Asians and currently largely East Europeans have all arrived in significant numbers over the last 2 millenia.

There is no such thing as a " pure Englishman" as some people have referred to.

I am not a hand wringing liberal and I do think our immigration policy needs amending however it is wrong to blame the people who we have invited here for many of societies ills. With so many foreigners present in London is it a surprise that they are killing each other ? That is what people (including British people) do the world over. Always have done , always will do.

To suggest that Britain didn't have a problem with disorder and violence prior to the last 20 years is also spectacularly naive.

It should be noted that the overall rate is down. Well done Met.

David West, Perth, Australia

I guess crass ignorance and racism is to be expected from Times readers.

You don't want foreigners in your country yet you're happy to ruin numerous tourist destinations the world over with your tack and yobbery, no doubt justifiable by some or other derranged logic that keeps you believing you're better than anyone else.

Not all immigrants are criminals, and they don't all sponge of your national services. Perhaps if you took off your blinkers and opened your eyes to the world around you, you'd learn from other cultures and enjoy a more rewarding life.

The UK is rich enough to sort out these problems, and if you could encourage the vast number of doll spongers to pull finger then perhaps you could spend a few more pounds on police in lower income areas.

There is no excuse for racism, prejudice or generalisation, so stop being so damn worthy and think of ways to improve your situation, not condemn every person different to yourself.

Timothy, London, UK

The rest of the killers will be from various ethnic communities. I am amazed that this data has been published. It can only harm community relations, or what is left of them.

Richard, London, England

A brave article, one which most law abiding citizens would agree.

Just a sidetrack, how much does it cost this country to defend these alleged criminals, I guess that most will plead a lack of English and therefore an interpreter at £90+ per hour will be needed on top of lawyers etc.

We need to look honestly at our ability to absorb as many immigrants as we are currently doing. Look ahead and see how our grandchildrens lives will be affected. Somehow we have to only take a minimum per year for the next 20/30 years. Asylum seekers need to be looked at, why cannot they claim asylum in the first eu country they arrive in?

Honest Citizen, Middlesbrough, England

I've just graduated and moved to London this summer to start a new job... Only with my graduate wage the best accommodation I could find is in an area full of foreigners. There are very few British people around here. The kids run wild here and have no respect for anyone. I don't feel safe at all walking round in the evenings (let alone at night). I've seen the police around here a good few times too - talking to people who have trouble replying in English.

London really is a foreign country.

I've seen enough, I can't bear to see what this country is coming to and I feel unsafe. I'd love to repay the UK for what I've been given (a safe upbringing outside London, a University education and a great job) but London is a pit, where unfortunately most graduate jobs are situated. So I've already made my plans to move abroad as soon as I have the experience - another year or so.

Louise, London, UK

There they go again! Blaming all their problems on poor foriegners. I guess many people have contributed to this because it is the least of places that the multreated, less regarded and enslaved foriegners would dare to be. But there is always one ... at all cost one. And that is what i represent. The voice of the voiceless. England dont qualify for Euro 2008 and its the foriegn footballers fault. Increase crime rate and it is same. When at all we you guys be humane enough , relieving yourselfs of all the pride and address these issues from the basics(first principles). May be the problem may still be with the foreigner but accusing him blatantly will least encourage them to help in solving them. My dear English,... a word to the wise....................................

kofi, shefield,

I just though it relevant to state (to-History Man) that the Serbian people came as Barbarians to the Ballkans which was indeed inhabited by local people prior to their onrush into the Ballkans of the Civilised and of the people who lived in cities wearing clothes rather then animal skins, and barbaric culture!
And I also wanted to add, thinking it relevant to the theme that I think its advanced that the killing does not come from watchers of TV programes like the Sopranos or the Godfather!
That shows that civilisation has moved ahead in this country!
and that so have the murderers whose films we used to watch untill recently!
No more Sicilian murders, no more Irish ones!

and since you can see who is fresh in the country and still unstable and unsetled, you alo know who assorts to murder today!

I would hate to see the day that we speak of murder and crime as if it was imported, lets not get there, and instead provide support for those individuals before hand (councelling!)

dr Alban, London, London

While I would not wish it on them, one cannot help wondering if the murder of a few politicians by foreigners might lead to less pandering to their marginal votes and more action on migration. But, despite their witterings about multi-cultural vitality, MPs and Ministers are generally far too well off to live and travel in the high-risk areas.

Robin, London, UK

I am from Africa and very much in support for controlled immigration.Given the savage acts that are taking place in this country as a foreigner I feel ashamed.the government should screen the countries where their migrant workforce comes from.Surely noone would want an unruly,ill-mannered and dangerous person for a visitor in their home.Why should the British people put up with such evil individuals.One thing which comes to mind is that the type of punishment given here is very light.The criminals should be made to work hard in productive vocations which will assist in meeting the expenses incurred by the Treasury.
Let's get real,this is the only way such people can pay back for wrong-doing.
Sue,Birmingham.

Cie , birmingham,

We need to have a revolution. No more spin, no more media self-rightiousness, the immigration levels into the UK is totally out of control.

I am English, i live in England and lice by our values. Only accept those into this country that want to be English and hold our values.

The gov't... disaster, treason, traitors.

Rob, London,

The Government , political and media elite have set the UK to become another Serbia where minorities will have domination in large areas of our land. The Government has ceded real power to people who either already are or may well become our enemies. This leaves our country unable to act in our peoples interest because of excitable vocal minorities and a politcal and media system which has marginalised it's own people and stifled debate and action on issues which are of major concern. It may well be treason but certainly it is suicidal. Well done.

History Man, London, England

LOL!

This topic is really hotting up, isn't it?

This country is in a complete mess, been irrecoverably damaged from mistaken immigration policies over the last 50 years.

As well as "Most murders in London this year were committed by foreigners", most terrorism has been committed by Muslims. And 4,000 of them are under surveillance, while 2,000 are a direct threat. This also relates to wider issues about immigration, and the kind of culture we allowed in here and allowed to expand.

Joe, Manchester,

When are the dim witted political elite ever going to wake up to the fact that immigration is NOT good for us and does NOT bring wealth. Immigration is costing well in excess of double the net income when the cost of housing benefit, health, policing and prison places ect ect are taking into account. It may well sound good when the fools talk of their pride in a multicultural Britain but the reality, which they choose to deny, is not a pretty picture.

D Case, Newquay,

Why is anyone surprised? The open door policy of recent governments was guaranteed to backfire as some point! People from other countries, many less developed and more violent than the UK, have different ways of behaving, different standards and morals. There had to be some negative impact on our society. We need to close the door now and flush out all those undesirable people who abuse our hospitality and tolerant nature. Have we got the guts to take those measures? Are we willing to override the socialist do-gooders whose theories of multiculturalism are destroying our way of life? No, it is too late. Political correctness has undermined our community and we shall pay the price.

Tom Jackson, London, UK

There is a small piece of really good news in this article that none of the hysterical comments here mention. Take a look at the last paragraph - "Murders in the capital had fallen from 176 in 2003-04 to 127 in 2006-07. "

Ted, London, UK

The inconvenient truth lies in the closing sentences of Sean O'Neill's report. The London murder figures are down - thanks , I'm sure , to the rigorous policing policies of the under-fire Commisioner , Sir Ian Blair. Today's article makes for an interesting read , but unfortunately it's likely to play straight into the hands of the I-told-you-so brigade , sulking behind their pints of bitter in almost any Home Counties pub you care to name.The compilation of crime statistics along racial lines, could potentially threaten community relations within the London melting pot. The practice should cease or - at most - be kept out of the public domain.

Ninian Reid, Edinburgh, Scotland

Perhaps this is the hidden price of multiculturalism? Of course we have always had "home-grown" Anglo Saxon criminals, but one cannot escape the impression that some of the more serious crimes occur in the immigrant community in a far greater number than their (supposed) ratio to the natives population would suggest.

Douglas Rolph, Dereham, Norfolk

More money time and effort down the drain. I wonder how many ex pats cause problems abroad though?

judy, Liverpool, england

Shamrack- believe or not ,most indigenous Britons actually find violence abhorrent and uncivilized even if we're not the victims. That's precisely the mentality we don't want in this country- ever.

Revenge and honour "killings" and ... "Albanian village rivalries" Lol; Waaa Waaa Weee Wah, Chenqui!

So these are the peasants the UK needs to thrive economically. Welcome to THE asylum that is UK 2007

Richard, Woodham, UK

Normally this would be the cue for apologists such as Trevor Phillips, Ken Livingstone et al to stifle all debate about this topic by shrieking 'Racist' very loudly indeed. The Labour government and their loony acolytes have been living in denial for years as they instruct usto 'celebrate the rich cultural diversity' which unmananged and uncontrolled inward migration bring.
In addition to all the myriad problems associated with vast amounts of immigration, such as pressure on schools, housing and the NHS, we have to cope with all the various customs which are at huge variance to our own ( e.g. moslem 'honour' killings, wearing of hijab,maltreatment of women etc. ).
I stopped believing this government's blandishments to welcome all the multiplicity of changes round about the time we had the London Tube bombings.

Rick, London, England

t’s absurd to say violence and murder is new to Britain and the reason for it, the new immigrants since labor government took power, to my understanding its a nonsense to say that mr edwin, of course there is one way to find out, if we go back in the past history of violence in the U.K or conservative gov term you will find crime and murder was higher not lower, even if you want to say immigrants are to blame for this murder rate, it looks like they only killing each other,so why you care, unless you have something against the immigrants at whole good or bad am sure there are law abiding, hard working, tax paying, good immigrants,so it seems that is up to the country and its government to find a better ways to manage the new found of wealth. If i may say in the United States violence and murder is very hight compare to the U.K is not because of immigrants, United states is a immigrant country but the easy access to guns and gang on gang violence, the U.K does not have that problem.

Sam shamrock, Las Vegas, United States

Where does the phrase state sponsored terrorism fit into this story? This wicked government will not be satisfied until England becomes another bloody Bosnia, yet on reflection maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad result.

Cromwell, Leeds, England

It,s a wonder that the "loonies" have let you report this story. The one thing that the hand ringing liberals cannot accept is the truth.

Lee, Hatlow,

Is this a surprise ? Some immigrants come from countries which are war zones where murder, rape and theft are the norm - despite being religious - eg Somalia; it is not a surprise that some proportion of the immigrants continue in the way they were raised. Of course we have our own murderers and theives, but now we are adding more. Its all about probabilities.

roger, london,

They're just the ones that get caught!
The government don't care about the British people especially if their not going to get a vote from them.

VJay, London,

The data from scotland yard does not say, in which area these murders has occured? I wonder if it is more common in areas where migrants live. Does that indicate poor law enforcement in those parts of London.

Tayeem, London,

Britain, first choice of the worlds criminals.

wayne, huntingdon, cambridgeshire

It's weird though, I agree. Murder/violence never existed before summer 1997!

bill, London,

When the Government is providing 'information' on the economic benefits migrants bring to this country, I wonder whether they are deducting from their figures the costs of investigating the criminal activities many indulge in.

Somehow, I doubt it. Not least because they haven't the faintest idea who is here, or how many migrants have entered in the last 10 years.

Donna Walker, Effingham, Surrey

Of course immigrant cause all troubles. I wonder what were the crime figures in Spitalfield when the Huguenots arrived. All that weaving (and ducking) couldn’t have been good for the common weal. A big classical church had to be built to calm their temper. Still they built some lovely houses. Now the Norman French. All that harrying in the North. Perhaps they did not do enough of that. And the Axe wielding Germans from the 5th century onwards. All that beer drinking and hooligan destructions of everything that was Roman and raping those nice peaceful British ladies. I tell you, immigrants are a menace. I have not even mentioned the Jews, both Sephardim and Ashkenazy, and the Irish.

peter kaldor, Woking, U.K.

It's very simple. Most of the true English now live somewhere else.

Doug, Antibes, France

Sociobiologists tell us that social cohesion is based on biological relatedness. Altruism is ultimately a selfish genetic trait but it means we don't harm each other when we sense we are distantly related. It seems the mechanism for this is caused by genetic odours. Ultimately the people we get on well with are distant relations.
Bring on the foreigner and we instinctively put up barriers wether we like it or not. A society immersing itself in xenophilia can only become more selfish, interpersonally competitive, less trustworthy.more violent, less trusting, more sceptical and cynical.
Its why people won't intervene or get involved. The genetic risks outweigh the genetic good. It become s case of look after number 1.
Its why city folk are nastier than country folk
The loss of altruism also means the population also becomes more easy to frighten and control by the powers that be.
Look how the unions and socialism are a shadow of what they were in 1980

Keith Bentham, Wigan, Lancashire

I stumbled across the website for Britain's Most Wanted a few weeks ago - go check it out. Not a majority of Anglo Saxons or obviously British names there I'm afraid. Not scientific, I know but indicative maybe.

Tom Taylor-Duxbury, Ludlow, Shropshire

The only way they will melt into other havens will be if the disintegration , largely caused by their arrival, of the country and its benefits to all and sundry, dissapears and we are left much poorer and fair game for either a fascist or communist take over. Personally I believe this was the master plan by our current leaders in any case.

john chambers, melton mowbray,


I absolutely agree with John chmabers, I live in the Sutton area of Surrey and the agenda by the current moronic but highly dangerous govenment is plain for all to see.
This Nu labour is a poltical peasant in a whole world of evil nasties and the sooner they are replaced the better.
I have lived in many countries all over the world on behalf of my company and I have never seen anything as moribund as this bunch of moribund lunatics currently in charge- truly frightening

Alex Lee, Cashalton, Surrey

t’s absurd to say violence and murder is new to Britain and the reason for it, the new immigrants since labor government took power, to my understanding its a nonsense to say that mr edwin, of course there is one way to find out, if we go back in the past history of violence in the U.K or conservative gov term you will find crime and murder was higher not lower, even if you want to say immigrants are to blame for this murder rate, it looks like they only killing each other,so why you care, unless you have something against the immigrants at whole good or bad am sure there are law abiding, hard working, tax paying, good immigrants.

Sam shamrock, Las Vegas, United States

Everyone entering the country should provide complete information about themselves regarding criminal record, health, education, etc. Our own information is accessible to the authorities and this should be the case for all new entries.
We are not 'all the same' and if we were, history would disprove any beliefs in social welfare or opposition to the death penalty.

Penny, London, UK

The genie is I am afraid well out of the bottle. Immigration is well into it's stride and there is nothing we can do about its burgeoning effects. They are here and they like it and relatives, friends and fellow travellers will find their way here regardless of " attempts" to stem the flow.
The only way they will melt into other havens will be if the disintegration , largely caused by their arrival, of the country and its benefits to all and sundry, dissapears and we are left much poorer and fair game for either a fascist or communist take over. Personally I believe this was the master plan by our current leaders in any case.

john chambers, melton mowbray,

Don't think all the outrage in Italy brought any change. They kicked out about 80 of the absolutely worst criminals ( murderers, paedos, rapists) the rest is still safley and securley walking free on Italian streets.

Juma, london, uk

It’s absurd to say violence and murder is new to Britain and the reason for it, the new immigrants since labor government took power, to my understanding its a nonsense to say that mr edwin, of course there is one way to find out, if we go back in the past history of violence in the U.K or conservative gov term you will find crime and murder was higher not lower, even if you want to say immigrants are to blame for this murder rate, it looks like they only killing each other,so why you care, unless you have something against the immigrants at whole good or bad am sure there are law abiding, hard working, tax paying, good immigrants,so it seems that is up to the country and its government to find a better ways to manage the new found of wealth. If i may say in the United States violence and murder is very hight compare to the U.K is not because of immigrants, United states is a immigrant country but the easy access to guns and gang on gang violence, the U.K does not have that problem.

shamrack, Las Vegas, United States

Janet
The reason we don't adopt the same policy as Italy is because Italians raised the roof about the murders being carried out by immigrants. When Brits eventually find the gumption to show some outrage, instead of running scared of being thought racist, something might get done.

Lin, London, UK

Why don't we adopt the same policy as Italy did a few weeks ago and stop them coming into the country with new laws.

Janet, Essex, UK

It's weird though - Britain never had a problem with violence and murder until we had a Labour government that opened the doors to immigration.

Edwin Thornber, Bucharest,