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MPs are being asked to vote on the revised EU treaty without key information about the powers it will create, a leaked document suggests.
The paper, from the office of the president of the EU, reveals that matters such as the possibility of a European army and the powers of an EU president will not be determined until after the revived constitution has been pushed through.
Other issues include how the proposed EU diplomatic service will work, the powers of the new EU foreign minister and whether the European police office, Europol, will be able to expand its activities.
Neil O’Brien, director of Open Europe, the think tank that obtained the document, claims that MPs are being asked to “sign a blank cheque”.
The confidential strategy paper, prepared by the Slovenian EU president, suggests that important decisions will be taken only after Eurosceptic countries such as the UK have ratified the Lisbon treaty.
The disclosure is likely to fuel opposition to the treaty in a Commons debate this week.
The paper identifies 31 areas in which practical decisions have not yet been taken.
O’Brien said: “Once the treaty is ratified, there’ll be no going back . . . MPs would effectively be signing a blank cheque to the EU if they ratify this without a referendum.”
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We all know that higher powers are at work here. As for the Queen and the politicians, what makes people think that they are on their side. When has that ever been the case?
Paddy, Dublin, Ireland
After reading the article and then the comments it becomes quite clear to me that some people still have not figured out that the government does not 'work' for the peasantry, nor does the royalty - who of course, being no dummies, saw and perhaps planned for this more than a while ago. Democracy never existed it was always a fable, I mean can it be anymore obvious?
Do you really think that the majority of the public can sit and eat chips, sip beers and entertain themselves to death, vote once a year, and remain free? Never. and history shows this to be the case over and over again.
Maxfield Stanton, London, UK
If our politicians cannot see what they are 'sleep walking' the British population into and our Queen also appears oblivious, having signed all the necessary paperwork what is left ?
Each of the major political parties seem hell bent on moving us every deeper into the EU, when all the country ever voted for was a common trade agreement.
This shows that not only are the country as a whole not being offered a full open debate about the EU but our politicians are not 'allowed' one either. Who is in charge ? What force is directing this combined political advance ?
I do not recall any politican I voted for every standing on such a platform ever.
Do our armed forces have enough troops to engage in a coup dâétat. Is it just co incidence that they are all out of the country ?
Silverback UK
PHILIP DUNN, LINCOLN,
It's totally unacceptable for those we elect to hand over powers to an overseas institution - one that's not accountable to ordinary people in any meaningful way - without seeking our specific approval first.
Especially when they promised us a referendum in the first place!
The whole story of this treaty has been one democratic outrage after another.
We have to ask ourselves how so many irresponsible people, with such a lax attitude to democratic principles, ever got elected to be MPs in the first place. The answer is probably not enough people paying attenion and voting at election time.
Stuart Coster, London, UK
Its time for direct action. A march of millions of Britons through London would wake this Government up and also remind H M that she has a constitutional role. Ma'am its about time you started to take an interest in your ordinary subjects and ask the P M how he can justify his undemocratic actions.
Riley, Kyiv, Ukraine
Kenneth Clarke and other supporters of the present EU Reform Treaty claim that the terms of the Treaty are too complex for the general public to understand therefore a referendum would be meaningless. However Ken Clarke has admitted that, as a member of the then government, he voted for the Maastricht Treaty without actually reading it.
Brian Christley, Abergele, UK
Anyone who believes we still live in a democracy is a fool. While we remain members of the EU we will never live in a democratic country. This regime we live under will continue to take away any say we may have about the way we live our lives. The EU Treaty/Constiution is the last piece of paper to complete the British giveaway by our Government.
Wendy Mills, Leominster, Herefordshire
It makes sense not to tell the MPs the details of the treaty, otherwise they might vote the wrong way. The alternative of producing a 'dodgy dossier' on it would be expensive and subject to endless discontenet once the truth was realised.
The overall effect is very much like the Russian elections. Stifle or ban opposition, and walk off with the warm glow of a democratic victory. Ah, yes! Democracy...
Mike Poulsen, Reading, Berkshire
/It is reported that, at the time of the first vote on the treaty, there was not a full English translation of the treaty available to MPs
If this is true, this is a travesty of democracy, and the Speaker should not have allowed the debate to proceed.
K Wells, Bognor Regis, E
Just what did Gordon Brown sign in Lisbon was it a piece of paper bearing the words "To be advised". Is Gordon Brown in the habit of signing documents that he hasn't read because they don't exist. He was so anxious to hammer the last nail into England's coffin that it didn't matter how the death certificate was worded.
Bernard Maddox, Stevenage,
"The paper, from the office of the president of the EU, reveals that matters such as the possibility of a European army and the powers of an EU president will not be determined until after the revived constitution has been pushed through."
I can imagine. The spectacle already reminds of pigs rolling in ...
Edwin, Bucharest,
The British people were promised a referendum on the treaty by all the major parties . Neither the Labour party or the Lib Dems feel able to keep their promise ,both partys' manifestos clearly not being worth the paper they were written on .
The electorate will not forget and in fact they will be reminded every time such documents as the above are revealed. Frustration will grow at this betrayal, which will only be released at the next election.
David, Hull,