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David Cameron and Gordon Brown have clashed in the House of Commons over who could appear tougher on street crime, hours after both trumpeted identical initiatives.
Mr Cameron accused Mr Brown of dithering and being unable to answer a straight question when he repeatedly demanded to know if the Prime Minister was going to abolish a "foot-long" form that police must fill in if they stop and search somebody in the street.
"I can only refer him to the Flanagan report which we accepted in November," retorted Mr Brown, prompting the Tory leader to demand: "Why doesn't he stop flannelling about the Flanagan report. Will he scrap the form?"
Mr Brown retaliated that "once again he has prepared his questions yesterday" and that the Government policy had already moved on.
The heated scrap had its origins yesterday, when the Conservative leader gave an interview to The Sun in which he said he wanted to abolish rules which prevent police officers from using stop and search powers on the streets without reasonable suspicion.
In high crime areas, officers should be able to intervene and question youths without obtaining authorisation from a police inspector, said Mr Cameron.
He admitted that the plan might anger ethnic minority groups - black youths are five times more likely to be stopped than whites - but said that it was an attempt to reduce the rising levels of knife crime which disproportionately victimises black and Asian youths.
"I know this is controversial but Britain has changed," said Mr Cameron.
"This is not about race. It's about stopping crime and reducing the number of victims of crime. The statistics are undeniable and it's clear by carrying out more stops and searches it is the black and Asian communities who will benefit the most."
Within hours, Downing Street was briefing the Daily Mirror on behalf of Mr Brown, saying that the Prime Minister too wanted to give police the power to stop and search youngsters without having to give a reason.
The Mirror reported: "Mr Brown has decided it is time to get tough on youngsters going armed in public. One source said: 'These powers have been operating successfully in areas designated hotspots for gun and knife crime. We now want them across the country to give the police the powers they need'."
The No 10 'source' who passed on the leaked policy predicted - as Mr Cameron had hours earlier - that the proposal would anger black and Asian communities who feared a return to the "sus" laws which provoked the 1981 Brixton riots.
It is unclear whether the Government or the Opposition thought of the policy first.
The Government's decision to leak its own version of the story to the Daily Mirror hours after the Cameron interview is likely to prompt comparisons with Mr Brown's politically unwise decision last summer to copy Tory policy on inheritance tax.
The opposite may however be the case. It is equally possible that the Conservatives have picked their moment to 'borrow' one of the Government's policy ideas, as stop and search has been under consideration by the Government for some months.
Last July, Mr Brown ordered a review of stop and search rules by Sir Ronnie Flanagan, the former chief constable of the RUC, and the final Flanagan report is due to be published next Monday.
In preparation, the Cabinet discussed the issue at its meeting yesterday, and agreed a number of reforms to stop and search which Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, had been preparing to announce some time in the next fortnight - until Mr Cameron's interview appeared in early editions of The Sun, precipitating matters.
Philip Webster, Politics Editor of The Times, said that comparisons with the inheritance tax debacle were probably wrong.
"The Cabinet did discuss stop and search yesterday and therefore when a couple of newspapers rang the Government last night asking for a response to what Mr Cameron had said, the Government was able to respond immediately, saying: 'Well, actually, this is what the Cabinet discussed today, and this is exactly what we are doing'," said Mr Webster.
"It looks to me as if the Government got in first in terms of discussing it - and so the question is whether Mr Cameron had wind of what the Cabinet discussed yesterday. Who knew first?"
By the time Prime Minister's Questions took place today, the question was no longer who knew but who could appear more decisive and statesmanlike in presenting the policy as their own. Commentators said afterwards that it was probably a draw.

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And while they all argue, things are deteriorating. Let's just acknowledge that both the Tories and particularly Labour are both to blame and move on. Playground squabbling won't improve matters for poverty stricken estates full of kids with no future.
judy, Liverpool, England
Cameron hasn't the backbone to have initiated this idea -unless he was pushed by the core party members
David Cartright, Birmingham,
Actually the Labour Government has implemented several schemes that focus on the causes of crime.
Two excellent examples come to mind.
One being Sure Start, which offers assistance, support education and parenting help for young mothers living in "at risk" areas, & their children.
Lawlessness and yobs did not just pop out of the ground in 1997. The problem was likely developing some considerable time before that. Given time Sure Start support networks will show fruit.
Likewise Restorative Justice, where young First Offenders, after pleading guilty ,have to face a Community Panel, the Victim & Youth workers..Then look at the circumstances that lead up to the offence.
During the term of the Community Supervision Order all of those factors are addressed , remedies put in and job training offered. Causes of crime are definetly addressed.
When did Restorative and Community Justice come into place in the U.K.? (During the past 10 years.) I have been involved for the past 5 years.
Patricia (Trish) Vanderveer, Wallasey, Merseyside, U.K.
Yet again Brown's vision appears to be whatever the Tories suggest. He waited ten years to get into power and he hasn't got a clue what to do now he is there.
Change cannot come quickly enough.
David, Hull,
It all sounds very childish and rather pathetic if I'm honest . But at least you commentators now how to score it ...
Benzo, Nr Chelmsford,
It is utterly ridiculous to say the current UK Governemnt has done nothing about crime. Look around the major developed countries and you will see a very similar picture for the causes and levels of crime. I can assure anybody, having lived in the UK fo 40 years, that the UK poilce are pro-active in their policing and generally perform their task professionally. Not somthing that can always be said here.
Cameron's tactitcs of attacking single example of procedural 'inefficiency e.g. stop and search forms is nothing more than a TV gimic. Any Government anywhere can be accussed on inefficient procedures, right up to the point when they're removed and with them the safe guards, in this case for both police and public. Democracy and the Law are not efficient. Cameron knows it but has nothing of substance to attack. Brown may be B team, Cameron is certainly C team.
Ian, Toronto, Canada
Have we not been here before? "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime! As always, much rhetoric, absolutely no substance. Posturing for posturing's sake!
R.B., Leicester,
David Cameron exists only to be a thorn on the side of Gordon Brown. If he were given the opportunity to become the PM, I am sure he will sit quietly sucking his thumb without knowing how to run the government. He just talks big and wants to oppose anything and everything the Labour government does. He doesn't have the personality to execute what he yells.
Ashwin Rao, Bristol,
Per capita more blacks and minorities get stabbed / killed. There's even a special unit to investigate black on black crime.
But to dare to target likely offenders is something that people are afraid to do, even in the face of such evidence as knife deaths.
Richard, London, England
So what is the protection against a "capricious" police officer who just doesn`t like your - hair, clothes,"look", the way you are walking, "being in possession of an offensive wife" to quote NTNOCN, or who just feels like being a little Napoleon because they can. Sorry, but if I was stopped/searched, I`d expect full and valid reasons to be given and paperwork completed. What recourse will you have as regards any abuse of power if they can stop you, search you and then tell you to "go away", just because they feel like it. There must be accountability (and not jumping 200 feet in the air through 15 hoops to get it). Might as well say the police can do whatever they want - (all for our own good of course) - and no validation or paperwork!!!!!!. Brilliant. Stalin would be proud.
Jim, Herts,
This is yet ANOTHER example of this awful Labour government and their copy-cat tactics.
They are tired and ran out of their own practical solutions long ago. I can only hope the rest of the country agrees that we are tired them.
BenG, London, UK
If only we could have some real tough,even brutal,action rather than pious debates which lead to nothing.
The country is falling apart from violence and noone does anything.
Political point scoring is all that matters and each day the country gets a little worse to live in. How we got to this point I just do not know.
Frankly I despair. I will not be coming back.
nic, royan, france
Not really peter BUT ...do you believe dave?when he worked for carlton tv he was not a popular chap because he was seen as a yes man and even jeff randall the now business editor for sky thought dave never told the truth and the editor of the suns business pages at the time said he was "SLIMEY" so i will not fall daves "SALESMAN" tactics at all.The tories need a man like DAVE but davies and not cameron.
lance, Portbury, North Somerset
IF the Government really wanted to make it easier for the police to stop people in the street and question, they can easily do it.
The fact remains that Labour governments do not trust the police and are, in large part, opposed to them on principle. Just look at the current pay debacle for an example.
Matt, Bristol,
Of course, the real difference is that the Conservatives are in opposition and trying to present policies to attract the electorate, whereas the Government have already been in power for 11 years and done nothing. Why should we trust the Government to do something now that they have conspicuously failed to do for the last decade? Their only real achievement is to reach new heights of incompetance, lies and spin.
Simon Newark, Sidcup,
What the Government discusses is not the point. what they actually do is what matters and it seems they are only now considering changing the stop and search rules because the Tories have put it forward.
Brown's whole stratergy seems to be to do nothing but react to Tory proposals. It appears that it is Bottler Brown who has no policies rather than Cameron.
Andrew Williams, Stockton-on_Tees,
Jenny
Come on! do you REALLY believe Gordon Brown's government when they say "Well, Actually that is what the Cabinet discussed today".
Peter, London,