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The Government is gearing up for a long and bitter battle with the House of Lords over its nationalisation of Northern Rock tonight after suffering two defeats in its bid to pass an emergency Bill.
Peers voted by 154 votes to 142 in favour of an amendment, opposed by the Government, to require the Bank of England to carry out an audit of the bank within three months of it coming to public ownership.
A second defeat was inflicted when an amendment to bring Northern Rock within the scope of the Freedom of Information Act was passed by 164 votes to 133, a majority of 31. That measure, sponsored by the Tories and backed by the Liberal Democrats, was opposed by ministers who believe opening up the bank's entire records to public scrutiny would leave it fatally compromised commercially.
The stage is now set for a lengthy "ping pong" battle between the House of Commons – where the Government can be assured of victory due to its majority along with Liberal Democrat support for nationalisation – and the Lords, where support is more evenly distributed.
Ministers rushed the Bill through the Commons in a single sitting earlier this week.
The Commons' sitting time, scheduled to end at 6.30pm today, will be extended until a resolution can be found.
Greg Hurst, Times political correspondent, said that the Lords were likely to eventually buckle after horse-trading over the emergency Bill's details.
"The Tories are against nationalising the bank, but the Liberal Democrats are in favour of it, so this is a battle at the moment over technicalities."
He said that the key disputes are whether Northern Rock should be subject to Freedom of Information legislation, like all public institutions, and a row over whether nationalisation would place it at an unfair commercial advantage over its rivals.
Among the bitterest arguments came over whether the bank would be subject to Freedom of Information legislation, with Tory Lord Hunt of Wirral complaining over the proposed exclusion.
"A nationalised Northern Rock will be unique. It is the very uniqueness of a nationalised Northern Rock that makes it imperative that there is sufficient transparency and accountability over its operations," he said. "Its directors’ salaries and bonuses will be paid out of taxpayers’ funds."
But Lord Davies of Oldham, representing the Government, said: "We are committed to the application of the Freedom of Information Act where it benefits the public, but there are areas which are excluded, and Northern Rock needs to be one of them. We want it to run like other commercial banks, at arm’s length from the Government.
"Maintaining commercial disciplines at Northern Rock and ensuring continuing of business will be critical. It is vital in the interests of returning it to the public sector that we do not apply inappropriate public sector requirements to it that do not apply to other commercial banks.
"The Treasury is the public authority subject to the Act and its relationship with Northern Rock as shareholder and lender will be in the public domain."
Earlier, a Tory attempt to make the Bill operative for a month, rather than a year, was defeated by 176 votes to 91. A second move, to exclude building societies from the Bill’s provisions, also fell.
The Commons was expected to reconvene later this afternoon, and send the bill back to the Lords, where it will be debated again in early evening.
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The people who blame the government for the Northern Rock situation are the same as those who complain about the the "nanny state". Northern Rock's demise is nothing to do with the government. It stepped in to try to save it. The hedge funds are the parties that have continually obstructed any private sector solution in order to realise the value of their investments, when in reality, and if it were another type of business and not in the financial services sector upon which this country depends on, it would have simple gone bust.
sonny, london,
Which half I wonder? The half with shares, a mortgage or an account with Northern Rock or the half that resents having to bail out an institution which should have gone to the wall?
judy, Liverpool, England
This poll stinks, show the demographics including where the sample lived. Not one person I know supports this nationalisation. Seems like Brown has learnt a few poll tricks from Livingstone.
Andy, London,
50% of the public supports nationalization and supports Alistair Darling, etc.
Where do the pollsters get off claiming these statistics? I have spoken to many friends and colleagues and not one of them has been approached to participate in this poll. The government is trying to delude itself, yet again, by manipulating figures to show how good it is.
I say we should tie the nationalization issue up to a general election, and IF the gov.t win then they get carte-blanche to nationalize the Rock.
Gazzerjay, Lancs, UK
Well done the Lords. Reassuring to know that in some quarters common sense still prevails.
As for the survey conducted, it seems to me that far from supporting nationalization, the majority of people polled (69%) believe that Government had not tried hard enough to find a private buyer. Consequently, it might be concluded that nationalization is simply viewed by the public as being the next best thing.
Ron, Bridego Bridge. Very true .... in this instance 800 million bushels. And that's just for openers!
Richard Crow, Warsaw, Poland
I think a sensible decision by the second house which was not guided by party loyalty blindness, at least a sensible debate will be held which is not the case in the commons where the outcome is the govt will win even though some of their MPs have reservations as to the soundness of the decision but are afraid to oppose or comment and question. Perhaps questions should be asked by the voters of the MPs in the strong Northern Rock areas of employment as to which way they voted and why, because i am convinced many of them have no idea what they are voting for.
David, Romford Essex,
"The Lords" are politically more mature than "The Commons" and seem more balanced, and measured, in their actions. It doesn't bear thinking about : no Second Chamber and/or no Monarchy. The present Government is rotten to the core; and
an early General Election would be welcome.
Mac, Argyll, Scotland
This process shows the benefit of a second house, & also shows how important it is to have a different system to the Commons which votes in a partisan way with short term objectives.
V, London, UK
Age and experience do count after all.. This is a very sensible proposal.
DickW, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Good, because there is one thing we know about this "Government", is its ability to hide its incompetence under a bushel.
Ron, Bridego Bridge, Bucks
This shows exactly why you need to keep the House of Lords forever. Whether or not you need to fix the appointment process is another matter.
JT, Austin, TX, USA